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What I hope happens if Phillip Fulmer isn't Tennessee's coach after this season

Smarter people than me will make the decision of whether Tennessee Coach Phillip Fulmer should keep his job or not. I will say I think Athletic Director Mike Hamilton's approach of evaluating at the end of the year is the right one. A mid-season firing accomplishes nothing other than to placate the torch and pitchfork crowd and to cause even more tumult than there already is, which is a terrible precedent to set.

With that said, we have to face facts:

  • When Neyland Stadium is full of Alabama fans because Tennessee fans don't care enough to attend a game against our fiercest historic rival...
  • When concession sales are down...
  • When the athletic director is openly discussing having the cash on-hand to pay for a large buyout of Coach Fulmer's contract...
  • When, at midseason, a Tennessee offensive series can be compared to driving through a small town: blink and you might miss it...
  • When there have been no championships for a decade and there are obvious deficiencies in the coach's record, both overall and against rivals...
  • When there is no evidence that the current coaching staff has answers to turn any of this around...

Coach Fulmer probably isn't going to be Tennessee's coach next year. If the athletic department decides to make a coaching change, I hope:

  • Coach Fulmer will step aside rather than having to be forced out. It would be preferable if he turned down the buyout money as a gesture of putting the university ahead of himself (or donated it to a scholarship fund), but I understand that might not be realistic.
  • The athletic department offers Coach Fulmer a ceremonial position that will allow him to maintain a visible presence in Tennessee football. This position would be a non-binding advisory role, and not a role with decision-making authority (I'm not a fan of Vince Dooley's tenure as AD at Georgia, and don't want to see that happen to us).
  • There is a public ceremony at halftime of the first home game or homecoming next season thanking Coach Fulmer for his years of service and contributions he has made to Tennessee football.
  • The athletic department makes a good decision about Coach Fulmer's replacement. It's important that the new hire not be a Ron Zook type, but it's much more important that the new hire not be a Bill Callahan type: a cancerous presence who scoffs at the great traditions of our university.
    Someone young and energetic who can breath some fresh air into our (arguably) stale program would be nice, but again, smarter people than me will make that decision if it's made.
  • Only the head coach is replaced at first, and that the new head coach gets to make decisions of which assistants to keep and which to release.
  • Fans who are angry with Coach Fulmer now will learn to appreciate the level he raised our program to, and that the high expectations built around it are almost entirely attributable to his work (with some help from the great players and coaches who have come through over the years).

In other words, I hope that if this decision is made, a way can be found to do it peacefully in a way that doesn't leave any lingering resentment of Coach Fulmer; that can allow him to remain a welcome fixture around Tennessee football; that can allow the program to move on without acrimony and ongoing controversy; and that would get Tennessee back on the path to winning championships.

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I think UT should pay the buyout whether he accepts it or not. They signed the contract, they must honor it.

I think any new coach has to have full control over his assistants. No “mandatory” holdovers. I know some think Chavis should stay, I’m not one of them.

Deferring is for p_ssies. Make a decision!

by wvvol on Oct 27, 2008 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I'd agree no mandatory holdovers

But if it comes to it I’d also like that to be a decision the new head coach makes, not one that coincides with the one made about the head coach.

If the new coach gets along with Chavis, I think his performance has been good enough to warrant keeping his job (we can agree to disagree on this point I think). If they don’t get along, he should go too though.

"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook

by rustytanton on Oct 27, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically, you two are advocating UCLA's system

where CRN kept the DC while bringing in his own OC.

by David Hooper on Oct 27, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that's what the head coach decides, yeah

"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook

by rustytanton on Oct 27, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

The system, not necessarily the actual end results.

by David Hooper on Oct 27, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

what I mean by mandatory is

The new coach must keep this person.

Deferring is for p_ssies. Make a decision!

by wvvol on Oct 27, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Remember we’re talking three decades of service—yeah service—to the University of Tennessee. Whatever money Tennessee has put into Phillip Fulmer….they have gotten a much more substantial return. Heck, he donated a million into either the VASF or the University not too long ago.

I’m not saying that he and his family is going to starve—-and I will throttle anybody who makes a joke here—if they don’t pay him the buyout or if he declines. It’s just that I feel like he has perhaps earned it.

There’s a novel concept. An outgoing coach actually deserving his buyout. Consider that most buyouts are payed to short timers (we’ll say less than the intial contract) that can’t produce any immediate results. The AD’s pull the plug because they believe they can get better results elsewhere. This is not the case here. In this case, we are talking about a man who has literally devoted his career to Tennessee and taken it to the promised land. This is not an Orgeron or Shula or Donnan or Zook. This is a coach who has reached levels most have not. My point is this: if those kinds of coaches should and do recieve buyouts for getting the rug pulled out from underneath them, WHY ON EARTH SHOULD PHILLIP FULMER NOT RECEIVE HIS??

Yeah its going to be rough financially but that’s the way it goes. If he is pressured to "decline’ his buyout how on earth can UT expect to recruit coaching talent?

BUT, and I’ll keep saying this, I disagree with you about Chavis. That defense is playing their hearts out wvvol. Chavis is doing a great job of coaching them. Its not their fault they are surrounded by complete and utter ineptitude.

Simply said, the offense and special teams (I’m even including Britton here) does not deserve this defense. There isn’t a defense in football right now that can make up for the shortcomings of this offense. 6, 12, 14, and 9 points in our four SEC losses. I’m sorry but you can’t ask a defense to overcome those numbers against teams like Florida, Georgia, a similarly inept Auburn, and Bama.

I agree, It will and should be up to a new coach to decide whether or not to retain Chavis. I get that. I just want to be clear in stating that my sole happy place this season has been watching the defense play their butts off. And I think that reflects well on Chief.

Someday we'll look back on this and plow into a parked car.

by MeytonPanning on Oct 27, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point on that.

I have absolutely no problem with Fulmer keeping the assumed buyout. An agreement was made and he has every right to have the terms fulfilled. Honestly, I have more issue with people who would get upset at that; I would probably do the same thing, and so would perhaps 99.99% of Vols fans if they were in his position. That’s a lot of money for Fulmer to turn down, and most suggestions to do so are made out of anger rather than reason.

But the comparison of buying out Fulmer v. a 1-year bust is something to at least consider. Certainly it’s not like he walked in one day, did nothing, got fired and collected a bajillion dollars for no apparent reason.

by David Hooper on Oct 27, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

I certainly am not going to hold taking the buyout against him. And he certainly, absolutely deserves it for the reasons you cited above.

But I do think it would be an incredible statement of his devotion to UT to divert it to a scholarship fund. It’s not necessary, it’s possibly not realistic, but it would put a lot of bad feelings to rest.

"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook

by rustytanton on Oct 27, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

True.

If he did return some of the money, then please for everybody to kindly bury the hatchet and let all bad mojo die forever.

by David Hooper on Oct 27, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, it would be an incredible statement for him to do that. I just need it to be an original gesture from him and not from external pressures whether they be administration, boosters/fans, media or otherwise.

Someday we'll look back on this and plow into a parked car.

by MeytonPanning on Oct 27, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pay him, then tell him goodbye.

Otherwise he’ll show up at spring practice or in the press box at halftime like the 800 lb gorilla (fat joke not intended). If you don’t pay, he can hold it over the university’s head until he gets Fulmer-Shields-Watkins renamed.

Deferring is for p_ssies. Make a decision!

by wvvol on Oct 27, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe the defense plays great in spite of the poor choices the DC makes

I’ve no problem with any defensive player. I just think Chavis puts them in the wrong position too many times.

Deferring is for p_ssies. Make a decision!

by wvvol on Oct 27, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well written !

What ever happens I agree with rustytanton ! Give the man some KUDOS ! And also give a BIG 55 perfect score to MeytonPanning last week on ESPN pickems !!! Great job!!

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on Oct 27, 2008 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks!

"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook

by rustytanton on Oct 27, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perfect score?

But the Vols lost… He didn’t put ESPN Glory above Big Orange blood, did he?

:-P

Deferring is for p_ssies. Make a decision!

by wvvol on Oct 27, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heart vs Head

It was a tough call, I went blood orange again and lost …………..again. But to go 10 for 10 you got to have some smarts and some luck !!

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on Oct 27, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ask me what I think and I’ll tell you what I think. And I didn’t think we were going to win the game or even beat the spread for that matter.

Besides, every time I pick the Vols bad things happen. I figured that maybe it was my pick that was jinxing them….you know cuz it’s all connected….

But trust me, if it was between tanking on Pickem’s or watching the Vols win I’d take the Vols 8 days out of the week.

Someday we'll look back on this and plow into a parked car.

by MeytonPanning on Oct 27, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

93% in picks !

Your close to walking on water in my book ! Have you thought about VEGAS !

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on Oct 27, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

time to

pull the plug

lets go white sox

by erob3833 on Oct 27, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Um . . .

. . . see, I, uh, want to encourage folks to participate in those games, so, um, I don’t really try too hard so that my brilliant success doesn’t discourage anyone.

Yeah. Uh-huh.

And oh, if you mean what do I think of rusty’s post, then I think it’s fantastic, which is why I bumped it to the front. Just in time to be picked up for top-billing on GVX’s blogger roundup. Guess I owe rusty dinner or something.

Go Vols!

by Joel Hollingsworth on Oct 27, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome!

(re: both dinner and GVX)

"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook

by rustytanton on Oct 27, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not easy being brillant !

You checked in to make sure we are not drawing on the walls and eating Play-Doh !

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on Oct 27, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fulmer

He deserves to go out with dignity. He hasn’t produced on the field in recent years but is a model coach, the kind you want your kids to play for, who put the players’ best interests first. It should be the end of the line for Fulmer, but I wouldn’t take any pleasure in seeing this get ugly. He’s a good person whose coaching career found its own end before he expected it to. Doesn’t deserve anything less than a lot of cheers and thank-yous. That is, unless he tries to cling on.

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by Gatorpilot on Oct 27, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

What about Joe?

I’ve heard some people bring up Joe Paterno when talking about CPF, and how Joe now has his team perched on the precipice of a national championship. The difference, I think is that Joe has some other coaches actually running things, and he’s kind of an overseer. He was clueless on one of their earlier scandals this season. Someone else is doing the real work, i think.

One of the saddest things about the whole mess to me is that I don’t think Clawson got a fair chance to make his offense work. He needed to at least produce a lot more this year to be there for another year. And in a way, if he had produced more, Fulmer may not be in the mess he’s in now. But, I see no way that Clawson continues to work at Tennessee next year. We’ll never know whether it was lack of players to fit the scheme, or CPF’s alleged meddling with the offense, or lack of time working in the system. There was so much hope for this offense this spring and summer.

by Colonel Corn on Oct 27, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought about this too

I think while CPF has done great things, PSU fans were tolerant of JoePa’s down years because he was about to be the winningest coach of all time. I also think it’s easier to hide a mediocre program in the Big Ten than the SEC.

Not all BCS conference head coaches are coordinators anymore, most are CEO types. Mike Gundy still calls the plays at Oklahoma State and doesn’t really pay much attention to what the defense is doing, but that’s the exception. Mike Leach handles the offense at Texas Tech.

Regarding Clawson, it might be that his offense doesn’t work against FBS defenses. At least it hasn’t this year.

Deferring is for p_ssies. Make a decision!

by wvvol on Oct 27, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I do know

Is 1) Georgia had the offense pegged to the tune of knowing where the Vols were going to run 80 percent of the time, and 2) the scheme against Bama was dreadful and predictable, even after what happened against UGA.

What I don’t know is how this happened; whether Clawson is on a leash, or whether he is calling the shots and is just that predictable.

"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook

by rustytanton on Oct 27, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points, both

And add another alternative: that his whole offense is built on being able to do something consistently so that you can add your wrinkles to that/those things. He’s probably still looking for something we can do consistently. Something positive, that is.

Go Vols!

by Joel Hollingsworth on Oct 27, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm sure that offensive injuries are at an all-time low.

You have to be on the field to risk getting hurt, right? Does that count as a positive?

by David Hooper on Oct 27, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm

I guess. But what would the wrinkle be?

[stares off into space like a cow looking at a new gate]

Go Vols!

by Joel Hollingsworth on Oct 27, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Penalties

What about the procedure penalties, though? Regardless of whether or not he is calling the plays or if he has the correct players for his scheme… it seems to me the offense could at least not be hurting themselves.

by rblakeh on Oct 27, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you on Clawson.

I’ve been very supportive of Clawson this season, and I really really really really want the guy to succeed. The coaching realm needs more people like him. But I also fear that this may shape up to be his only year with with UT, which may be a high-end career killer for him. (He’ll always be available for 1-AA, which is still a great gig if you can get it.)

I think his future will depend on how UT goes to bat for him in the future. If the university insists that the season wasn’t his fault, he’ll recover. If they make him the scapegoat (I hope not, but you know how these things work), he’s done at the major level. He doesn’t even have a $2,000 book to fall back on.

But whoever gets the scoop on Clawson’s season will have the ears of many Vols fans. We’re all dying to know whether we’ve even seen the Clawfense.

Like rusty noted, we were predictable. That was exactly what Clawson was not supposed to be, and why he was hired. It seems so odd to me that he’d get hired if teams can peg him this well this quickly, which is why I don’t really think we’ve seen what he wants to do with the offense yet.

Of course, having an ugly QB change in the middle of it all hasn’t helped much either.

by David Hooper on Oct 27, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fulmer

Hey I’m a Bama fan, so take it for what it is worth, but I think you are making a mistake on Fulmer. Last year you were 1 play away from winning the SEC. You get a new OC and it has been tough. But really your QB is young. Next year you will be much better. But replace Fulmer and you will have 2 more years of down football. I say you give the guy 1 more year with an understanding of what you expect- 9-3 minimum. Listen next year UGA, UF, and Bama will all have new QB’s and you will have a veteran QB.

by 5026 on Oct 27, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for swinging by.

There’s a little skepticism to your caution on Fulmer, but I’ll take it at face value. There’s a great point behind it either way.

UT needs to make sure that the decision on the future is based on the future, not on the past. If the program is indeed on the verge of a breakout and Fulmer (and company) is the crew needed to get it there, then they should stay. If not, then not. The trick is that UT will have to find a justifiable reason to make their decision. Even though Stephens will be a vet when the season starts next year, he’ll have five brand new linemen in front of him. That may sound like a good thing, given the way things are going, but it rarely is. The defense will be very young, but we’re still looking thin along the line. I have the spooks about how things will be next year with such inexperience along both lines and with little depth behind them.

As for the understanding: most Vols fans kinda wish that had been the understanding, rather than the 8-4 minimum that’s in his contract already.

by David Hooper on Oct 27, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the comment 5026

I’ve decided to take a neutral position on it since it’s not like I have any control over it anyway. I’ll support the program regardless of what it decides. But there are lot of people who wouldn’t, and their money is as green as mine.

"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook

by rustytanton on Oct 27, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

17 years and a cloud of dust

  Being a Tennessee fan isn’t easy. In the good years we listen to all the other fans that wish they were us telling us we are due for a fall, and then during a bad year, the same fans that you have stood with everday jump on the ditch Phil bandwagon.
  I have to admit it has been tempting for me this year. 17 years as a proven winner and a groomer of men is nothing to sneeze at,but, I am just like MOST of the Volunteer faithful and sense that the game may be moving in a different direction than Coach Fulmer.
  As I look at the future of our great and honorable program I have to look to the past as well. If we oust Fulmer and try to cleanse ourselves of this season we have to think of the lean times. I remember VIVIDLY the Coach Dickey days and the moving van backing into his drive.
  We as a community OWE it to OUR coach for the great things we have experienced. There are many carrots to be dangled (unemployed coaches) as a temptation. Why do you think all these other schools are jumping on this bandwagon, for the simple reason that they know we won’t stay down with Phil as our leader.
  One more year and we will be in a different mood. If we keep coach and the great players we have now,and the class we have committed at this time are around next year,the pain will ease.
  If you look at us with a new coach and new coordinators we will be looking at 2 or three years of the same thing. Give the man what he has earned and deserves, one more year, I will guarantee the feeling we have is nothing to what he is feeling. He is not a quitter and he will find the answer. There is no doubt in my mind that if Coach Fulmer feels it best for our program that he step down he will.
  With that being said Bama, Georgia, and Florida have teams that right now have all the pieces in place, we too will come back to the top with patience.

by indyvol1998 on Oct 28, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I respectfully disagree

One more year would just provide further evidence of what is already clear. The line of best fit has had a negative slope for a decade now. No need to add in more dots.

The man made a lot of money as the head coach at UTK. We, as fans, owe him nothing more than a round of applause at his retirement ceremony.

by kidbourbon on Oct 29, 2008 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

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