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RTT Tennessee Volunteers Head Football Coach Search, Round 3

See also The Case for Mike Leach as Tennessee Volunteer Head Coach.

This is the final vote in the head coaching search brackety-ish thingy.  We started with 16 candidates (based on names I'd heard in connection with the job over the last couple of weeks), and now we're down to two candidates through a series of arbitrarily-designed vote-offs.  Technically, the voting is still open until noon on round 2, but these two coaches are currently enjoying leads of about 90% and about 70% respectively, so I'm calling the races.  One other thing these two have in common is that they really need no introduction:

Before the final vote box thingy, let me offer a few observations I've had during this vote-off:

  1. Head Coaches were preferred over Coordinators.  In every vote-off, the head coaches outperformed the coordinators.  Of the coordinators, Muschamp had the best showing.
  2. Household Names showed better.  If a coach/coordinator had their name in the spotlight for a very significant reason, they tended to do very well.  Chris Petersen of Boise State scored much higher than Brian Kelly (Cincinnati) and Gary Patterson (TCU), even though TCU is more of a traditional football school, Cincinnati is closer, and Boise is frequently knocked for not playing big names.  That Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma is still paying big dividends.  (Side note:  that is the only game I've downloaded from iTunes.  $3 (IIRC) for the whole show is a great deal; even in replay, it's a thrilling game.)
  3. No preference for offense or defense.  Having Gruden v. Leach in the finals is a prime example of that.  Preference for Offense.  Yeah.  Gruden's an offense guy.  A weird little memory hitch comes to roost when I forget to fact-check before posting.  Whoops.

On to voting.  As I've noted before, this is only for fun.  By now, most people have probably seen their favorite candidate fall, which is why we're asking for preference between the two names, not preference overall.  Anyhoo, enough talky:

Poll
Between only these two candidates, who would you prefer to see as the next Tennessee Volunteers head coach?
Jon Gruden - Head Coach, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
396 votes
Mike Leach - Head Coach, Texas Tech Red Raiders
424 votes

820 votes | Poll has closed

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Am I the only one...

…who thinks Mike Leach’s offense is a terrible match for Tennessee?

"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook

by rustytanton on Nov 10, 2008 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

Most people would love that offense at Tennessee.

But I think most people aren’t sure about Leach as a person. There’s nothing wrong with the guy, but he is an odd duck. Even if he isn’t hired, I would love to know if the boosters would even be willing to consider him.

by David Hooper on Nov 10, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right.

He will need to recruit some offensive lineman who actually block. It’ll be tough for the first year or so.

by wvvol on Nov 10, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you Rusty...

…although I probably wouldn’t use the word terrible. Let’s just say it would be strange marriage at first.

Also I worry about Leach’s ability to recruit the future pro’s. Aside from Wes Welker, name one pro from Leach’s time at Texas Tech that has made a name for himself in the NFL. Sammy Morris? Eh. Tennessee’s bread and butter in the recruiting world has been its ability to churn out future pros on both sides of the ball. I’m not so sure that recruits will be that enamored with Leach’s track record in developing professional talent. I know that this track record has done Tennessee very little good lately but I cringe at the thought of turning our backs towards that aspect of our coaching tradition. How do you recruit nationally? By taking the talent you got and turning them into Sunday football players. Show that you can teach them how to prepare for the next level and you will get recruits from all over.

With Leach it seems that he takes less talented players (not named Michael Crabtree) and turns them, via his spread system, into statistical monsters. However, not one of his insanely productive quarterbacks has done anything in the NFL.

Is Leach a recruiter? Hard to say. Recruiting in Texas is like looking for porn on the internet….
(Mrs. Leach on Mike’s Trip through Texas) Did you see any good recruits, honey?
(Coach Leach) Only when I open my eyes, Honey….

So with Leach, I think the question you have to ask yourself is this: Would you rather watch future pros, or would you rather watch overachieving players that are less successful at the next level? Hard to say. I’m much more of a college football fan than I am of the NFL but I have to say that it would be strange if we didn’t have Vols like Manning, Witten, Lewis, Henderson, and Haynesworth in the NFL.

We’ll see. Anyway that’s my only concern with Leach. If he brings us back to Atlanta, I won’t care if he fields the first all female team. Wait a minute…Yes I would. Scratch that.

Someday we'll look back on this and plow into a parked car.

by MeytonPanning on Nov 10, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

One note, though

What do Manning, Witten, Lewis, Henderson, and Haynesworth all have in common?

Has our ability to send players to the NFL diminished along with our ability to win?

Go Vols!

by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 10, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably.

Not a lot of offensive players this millennium have gone from UT to the NFL. Lots of defensive players though. Gibril Wilson, Jabari Greer, Jason Allen, Rashad Baker, Kevin Burnett, Aubrayo Franklin, Omar Gaither, Parys Haralson, Justin Harrell, among others.

by wvvol on Nov 10, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Must...resist...sexist...remarks...

If he brings us back to Atlanta, I won’t care if he fields the first all female team.

Thanks for the immediate flashback to junior high, where jokes around that very concept ran south in a hurry.

by David Hooper on Nov 10, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Mike Leach's personality is a terrible match for Tennessee.

Much as I love to watch his teams and his own antics, I’ve heard too many stories out of that locker room re: how he treats his players to be entirely comfortable with him as a candidate. Our boys have low enough morale as is.

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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.

by Holly Anderson on Nov 10, 2008 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Has the whispering campaign started?

What stories are you referring to?

Pssst. I heard he’s an Arab…

by wvvol on Nov 11, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

No.

This is firsthand from actual living rooms in the Big XII. I love the guy, but culturally I just don’t think he’s a match for us.

________________________________
I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.

by Holly Anderson on Nov 11, 2008 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

(that said, I'd take him over Davis in half a heartbeat)

________________________________
I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.

by Holly Anderson on Nov 11, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you be a little more specific?

Did he insult a prospect’s mother’s choice in decor?

Please change any names to protect the innocent.

by wvvol on Nov 11, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Not so fast, my friend

“No preference for offense or defense. Having Gruden v. Leach in the finals is a prime example of that.”

They are both offensive coaches.

by wvvol on Nov 10, 2008 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

Righto.

I’ve always done that because of the Tampa defense. Yes, I know he inherited it.

by David Hooper on Nov 10, 2008 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

And he's a "WCO" guy.

Can these morons Fulmer recruited learn a complex offense like that? I think we know the answer to that.

by wvvol on Nov 10, 2008 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting spin on that

You are 100% right that Tech does not churn out pros. Never has, really. A few names here and there, but mostly the 10 guys playing now are situational players. Productive, but situational.

But if you’re talking about putting a product on the field your students, boosters, alumni and fans can be proud of, then Leach would be a fun fit for you. Crabtree was a fluke. He was a QB in high school, recruited by the big boys to be a DB and chose Tech because we said we’d find the best place for him to make the most impact once he tried a few positions. That ended up being WR. Lucky for us!

But maybe you guys have a different spin on your team…it sort of sounds like you enjoy the name recognition via proxy once a kid makes the NFL. That’s not a goal at Tech or of Tech fans. Sure, we want them to succeed and make a name for themselves, but more for the satisfaction of it versus the benefit of it. Make sense?

by Tech92 on Nov 10, 2008 6:43 PM EST reply actions  

Absolutely that makes sense.

The expectations are part a function of culture and part a function of past experience. The fanbase/boosters/whodawhatsits at a “major” program in the ESSSSSSSSS-EEEEEEEEEE-CEEEEEEEEEEEE always goes ga-ga over putting people in the NFL. It’s viewed as a kind of validation of this whole superiority thing people get up on a high horse about. Also, having won a nat’l championship in the BCS/Bowl Alliance era gives the crowd a different expectation. Add onto it that every Vol’s favorite player is Peyton Manning (yes, that’s hyperbole, but you understand) and that he’s a clear HOFer in the NFL, and it gets to be a priority to place players in the NFL.

Besides, I think you’ll see more Tech guys go to the league soon enough. Leach has been getting more highly-touted recruits recently and the on-field results are no longer dismissable as a “system” effect – your athletes are very good.

BTW, thanks for chatting so much about Leach over here. Fortunately for both of us, nobody is going to make a decision about him based on blogs, so it’s great to have the conversation. Even if he doesn’t come here (most likely result, IMO), it’s been a fascinating ride: living vicariously off your offense.

by David Hooper on Nov 10, 2008 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally

enjoy talking with college football fans all over the country and Leach was/is a great excuse to crash land here. My wife really wants me to get a more productive hobby, but this works for me, thankyouverymuch.

I do wish Tech landed more guys in the league, but there’s really something charming when you have a legitimate us against the world mentality. It really makes for an interesting social study. The city of Lubbock has always loved Tech and basically shuts down for football (on Friday nights, as well). But this whole lightning in a bottle we’ve got going this year has made it different (aside, I live outside of Dallas, but was born and edumacated in the LBK, as us down wit it homies call it). We actually think we can win it all. I mean, ALL. Crazy. That we have adopted Leach as our own, weird little pirate makes us a little paranoid that he’ll leave. If he does, it BETTER be to a really big school…like Tenn.

I love the SEC and would love to see us go head to head on an annual basis. That would make great theater!

by Tech92 on Nov 10, 2008 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

If any SEC school would be willing to go head-to-head, it'd be Tennessee.

Unfortunately, I think our slate is full for the next decade or so, but it would be an interesting matchup. Too bad we couldn’t have had the heyday Fulmer Vols against the heyday Leach Red Raiders. That could have been awesome.

by David Hooper on Nov 10, 2008 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The reason I bring up NFL development for our players is because that is probably one of our best recruiting draws. Tennessee is not a talent flush state by any means. So we have to go all over the USA to find our players.

It’s not so much that we enjoy the name recognition as it is being able to point to our ability to advertise player development for the next level.

And while I haven’t looked at Tech’s roster, I’m willing to bet that over half of the roster is from Texas. We need a recruiter who is comfortable looking all over…not just Texas.

Someday we'll look back on this and plow into a parked car.

by MeytonPanning on Nov 11, 2008 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I personally do not care

HOW many pros we turn out year after year. At a school like tech, the draw is less so you get less to work with. At UT, we already GET in the doors with top talent. MOST of the pros you mention are on D as well. Minus Lewis and Manning, there has been relatively little our offensive players have done at the next level. Price had a small career with a bit of a name, but for the most part, UT is a Defensive school.

I am very unhappy that Fulmer is leaving. UT ran in his veins. I am going to go with what Haynesworth said when asked who the best person for the job was, Fulmer! I also hope that Chavis stays and maybe even has a shot at the top spot.

That said, since there is a change being made, I would push for someone like Leach, and offensive mastermind that has a history of offensive ingenuity, to be named the new coach. I don’t want to see Gruden there at all. He is too much a motor mouth than anything else. Besides, I don’t think he can win with a QB under 40 yrs old (or at least thinks he can win)…

I am very unhappy with the way this has gone. The AD, when he was speaking at Fulmer’s resignation, reminded me of a little weasel. That is what this all has boiled down to, in my opinion: money and weasels.

by j10s on Nov 12, 2008 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

Again it’s not as if we turn out pro’s for the sake of turning out pro’s. We do it because top level recruits like it.

Five Star Athletes don’t come to Tennessee because they want to check out the hot spot of East Tennessee. They come because they know that if they stay the course they have a good shot at being prepared for the next level.

We, as fans, need to realize that people are just gonna want to come to Tennessee because it’s, well, “Tennessee(!).” That’s why Mike Hamilton keeps talking about the requisite salesmen that can sell this school. Stop drinking the kool aid and realize that name/star power is not enough for Tennessee anymore. Because, frankly, these days we are in the middle tier when it comes to name recognition. And by middle tier, I mean we are in the SEC middle tier behind the Florida’s, Georgia’s, Bama’s, Auburn’s, and LSU’s.

Someday we'll look back on this and plow into a parked car.

by MeytonPanning on Nov 12, 2008 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

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