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Cincinnati's Brian Kelly has become the leading candidate for the Vols' head coaching job, according to a source inside the Tennessee football program.

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Griffith also has this to say about Mike Leach: " Mike Leach still has his name thrown around, but I don't see it. No one is going to come into the SEC and win with Xs and Os - it takes talent, not gadgets.

And, I just don't see Leach (47) being able to handle the level of scrutiny that comes with the UT head football coach job. It's a regal position - hardly a post for someone with erratic and eccentric personality traits."

Gadgets? Right. And if Tennessee can't handle a little eccentricity, well, I'd say that may be part of the problem.

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Wow. Seems the stress is affecting Griffith's stuff.

I actually happened to catch that little bit of his radio show where Mary called to voice support for basketball. As far as basketball goes, I think Griffith needs to cool the jets on the perceived lack of enthusiasm. People are obviously jacked about roundyball; they’ve simply figured out that the early weeks of the season are largely uninteresting. If UT has trouble selling tickets to home fans when Memphis, Florida, Kentucky, etc. roll in, then we can talk apathy. Right now, it’s like criticizing football enthusiasm because there were empty seats at the Orange and White game. The first two weeks are almost entirely ignored, even by the NCAA selection committee.

As for Leach: no sense in arguing with him. He’s obviously made up his mind on Leach and we can let it stay at that. If Tech is on the doorstep of an undefeated run through one of the toughest conference slates that anybody has ever faced, they deserve due respect – gadget, talent, or otherwise.

And lastly, Leavitt needs to somehow wind up at Oregon State. Leavitt to Beavers! Somehow, this pun has to become reality.

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 11:12 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?

Wait wait wait. So Kelly at the ripe old age of 47 can deal with the “scrutiny” but Leach at the tender age of 47 cannot?

One more point, I rememeber SEC purists saying that Urban Meyer’s spread would never work in our conference. How is that theory holding up?

by coopnjaxdad on Nov 19, 2008 11:43 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pretty much, yeah.

That’s why there’s little sense in arguing with him. He’s finding information to fit his conclusions rather than finding conclusions to fit his information. He’s therefore useless in a discussion.

Now, we can certainly use his information for discussion points. He again brings up the quirky factor, which is a real concern for Leach proponents. The Kelly-passed-over-at-Michigan is another interesting point of discussion. I don’t want to kill the topics, but I wouldn’t mind seeing us talk about the information rather than the messenger. In this article, he’s a nonissue.

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 11:52 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No!

Brian Kelly is my personal choice to take over at Auburn should Tuberville get the boot after the season! You can’t have him!

War Damn Eagle!

by PowerOfDixieland on Nov 19, 2008 11:52 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You and GraySnail need to go bowling together.

I’d keep score, sit back and watch. It’d be fun, really.

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 11:53 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not Leach for Auburn?

After the Tony Franklin Unfense (a/k/a ToFU, which is equally popular in Auburn, I’m sure), the Prettiest Village would be more than happy to turn to an exotic, high-tech offense.

;-D

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 1:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Auburn & Leach

After Auburns failed spread offense debacle I doubt they want to be near any spread offenses

by ST04 on Nov 19, 2008 2:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree

If it’s the right system with the right coaches, let’s do it. When Tuberville didn’t let Franklin bring his own coaches in, is where he made his mistake.

War Damn Eagle!

by PowerOfDixieland on Nov 19, 2008 4:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No way the trustees would go for someone that weird

Hell, I doubt they’d even go for Brian Kelly, seeing as how he’s not a Southern boy. Jordan, Barfield, Dye, Bowden, Tuberville…a little trend here, no?

War Damn Eagle!

by PowerOfDixieland on Nov 19, 2008 4:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way, good to see you around again.

Just a quick question: do you think that Tubs will be back next year? (Based on current results, and all disclaimers about Iron Bowl, etc. fully apply.)

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 5:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure

If it were my call, I’d bring him back and give him one year to fix the mess. But with our board of trustees, anything is possible. Hell, they might already have his replacement signed to a 6-year deal!

The only way I thought he wouldn’t get another year is if he had lost to UTM. We lost 4 in a row before that, likely will lose 2 in a row after, but that would have been a 7-game losing streak to end the season, including one to a I-AA school. He would have been fired the day after the UTM game.

War Damn Eagle!

by PowerOfDixieland on Nov 19, 2008 5:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rec'd, nice

"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook

by rustytanton on Nov 19, 2008 1:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ooh!

Shiny! Aaaaaahhhh….

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 5:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will say

It does look kind of like a rotten tomato. Just sayin’

"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook

by rustytanton on Nov 20, 2008 7:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As far as the basketball attendance goes...

I actually agree with him that it’s a little disappointing. Especially Saturday night. It’s the season opener, there’s a bunch of new players, there is truly nothing else going on, I really don’t understand why you would choose to not come, especially if you already had tickets. There were a bunch of season-ticket holders that didn’t show up, and it truly made no sense to me, and after all the garbage with the football team attendance this year, actually really frustrated me. I’m not going to go nuts just yet, after all, we don’t have what could be considered a big home game until January, and I’m sure that some in the bandwagon-hopping crowd probably won’t even be aware that the season has started until they see us on ESPN over Thanksgiving, but it’s still kind of frustrating. And suffice it to say, if we start only selling out Gonzaga, Memphis, Florida and Kentucky once the calendar turns and not selling out the lesser SEC games, I am going to be very unhappy.

by nirwin on Nov 19, 2008 12:36 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm....

mourning over the Lady Vols loss?

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 12:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SCRUTINY !!

I’m 44 and I’m a man !! And if you want to talk scrutiny to some one I don’t want to read about it in rockytoptalk . Talk to me I’m 44 and I’m a MAN !! This might be news to some people but we are in a bit of a economic down turn……..or economic halt .

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on Nov 19, 2008 12:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh.

Maybe I was a bit harsh on that. Talk away if you want; it’s my nature to be dismissive of those remarks, but that doesn’t mean that my way is always right.

lol

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 12:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Leach is crazy

Did you see him on ESPN last night. One part were it was talking about fans yelling smake at him and the team at Oklahoma.He was funny as heck.

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on Nov 19, 2008 1:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As much as I mention Leach, I'm not for or against him (or anybody else) yet.

But I’ll say this much: hiring Leach would provide endless entertainment, no matter how the team does. That’s why he gets so much air time on the blogs. (Well, at least this one.) The imagination is free to soar with him.

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 1:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FWIW, Kelly is probably my favorite candidate now

"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook

by rustytanton on Nov 19, 2008 1:05 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's a compelling candidate.

Not to get political about it all, but this is a lot more enjoyable than the presidential election. At least there are multiple candidates who are all widely viewed as having sufficient potential to handle the job. We can actually pull for a candidate rather than having to pull against one. And even if our “favorite” doesn’t win, we don’t automatically have to think that the UT universe is going to implode.

If I were to guess, there are about 5-6 guys out there that I’d be perfectly happy having at UT. And that’s just of the publicly-discussed candidates.

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 1:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

This shot that Griffith took at Jimmy Sexton always breaking stories about his clients to ESPN made me LOL:

Sexton has attained power broker status, no doubt. He even appears to have a degree of control over some of the national media – it’s not a coincidence most any news involving Sexton’s clients oozes through the ESPN machine first. Seems to be a nice arrangement for all involved.

Someone sounds a little bitter.

"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook

by rustytanton on Nov 19, 2008 1:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gee, I can't imagine that.

One of the most powerful, national agents using one of the most powerful, national media outlets for news leaks. As opposed to using local sources.

Good point.

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 1:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Au contraire

Griff and the other KNS sports “reporters” have to be really happy that they finally have a legitimate-sounding excuse other than their own incompetence for why they constantly get scooped by out-of-town media. They’ve been way behind Chris Low and others for years, but now they can just say “We can’t help it – Jimmy Sexton is out to get us!”

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Nov 19, 2008 7:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point

"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook

by rustytanton on Nov 20, 2008 7:17 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pain and Misery

I just hope UT doesn’t struggle like Bama did finding a good HC. As much as I enjoyed seeing them squirm.

I think Leach may be the most fun, but that doesn’t necessarily translate into most competitive. Kelly really seems like a solid stand up guy and I think that Michigan may have passed on him because they felt some of the same pressure we are talking about here in bringing in a fancy new exciting HC with a wild and crazy offense. They are looking for him to be the next Urban Meyer.

Isn’t that what agents are supposed to do? Hype their clients?

by coopnjaxdad on Nov 19, 2008 2:00 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I'm looking for a head coach

I will gladly take struggling to find him if it works out as well as Bama’s search from a few years ago!

War Damn Eagle!

by PowerOfDixieland on Nov 19, 2008 5:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh

I’m not really a Saban fan. He’s a good coach but don’t want him.

by coopnjaxdad on Nov 21, 2008 4:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just a question

Texas Ex here, so this is just for informational purposes, but where does the assumption come from that Tech doesn’t have talent or that you can be undefeated in the Big 12 without talent?

I live in Louisiana, and have seen a lot of high quality SEC football, but Leech has recruited some players to his school (under the nose of my alma mater and OU) that have the ability to be legitimate stars at any school in the country.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Nov 19, 2008 2:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That assumption comes from a journalist trying to stir up some controversy and interest.

It’s a play straight out of the modern “put out a controversial viewpoint and fan the flames” gameplan of most political talk shows. Only without the second talking head to provide screeching counterpoint.

Sure, there are some SEC proponents who don’t see that other conferences have talent, but most recognize that Texas has enough talent to spare for several teams – even those not in the Big 12. If anything, though, Tech’s success this year is due largely to their ability to get better talent and a more cohesive system on the defensive side. The offense has been potent for years. And personally, I’d stack their offensive and defensive lines up against anybody in the nation.

Thanks for swinging by and commenting. Best of luck against Oklahoma!

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 2:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, Griffin's right

Mike Leach would never succeed in the SEC. Take it from me, I’ve watched about as many Texas Tech games as anyone over the last 8 years. There is nothing to see here. We are gadgets and nothing else. Leach would doom Tennessee. Please write your Athletic Director.

Go register. Or else.

by Skin Patrol on Nov 19, 2008 2:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh.

Endorsement accepted.

:-D

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 3:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Appreciate the clarification and the welcome

I’m actually a Longhorn though, so actually, I’m kind of pulling for abject BCS chaos right now. Came here via EDSBS and was unaware of the rep of Griffin.

I’m pulling for y’all (though not necessarily at the expense of our conference’s greatest character) since I like most Tennessee alumni I’ve known. Good luck righting the ship.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Nov 19, 2008 3:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

one to many “actually” in there…

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Nov 19, 2008 3:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry about the mixup on that.

I knew that, but I was reading eddyc’s comment at the same time. Like most guys, I have zero capacity for multitasking.

Best of luck against A&M, then!

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 3:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No worries

Good Luck against Vandy, and in the head coaching search.

proud to swim home

by learned hand on Nov 20, 2008 8:17 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You Guys Crack Me Up!

Hello from Texas. Mike Leach is not going anywhere folks! And this talk of gadgets over talent makes me laugh! Do you think we would trade our roster for yours? I don’t think so. How about a Heisman candidate at quarterback with a 6-5 rifle arm waiting in the wings and a couple of all state kids behind them. Receivers? Just the Number one in the nation and about 7 others that have at least 20-30 catches. Program Success? Texas Tech is the only school that has been to a bowl game every year since the inception of the Big 12.

I just hope another “regal” SEC team, Alabama, makes it to the national championship game. We will make them look like they are playing 1920’s football. Your program got what it deserved when you hired Mr. Backstabber, Phil Fulmer, after you pushed coach Majors out the door. If you got any further than 100 miles from your campus you would realize that Tennessee football is a non entity in big time discussions. At least you have great looking checker board endzones. Maybe you can hang your coon skin caps on that! Guns Up Mateys.

by eddyc555 on Nov 19, 2008 2:37 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Welcome to you as well!

I believe you’ll see that I’ve addressed your first paragraph in recent comments over at DoubleT. But do allow me to clarify; we do suffer from a few local journalists who don’t always make a lot of sense. Be careful assuming that their positions are anywhere near the positions of Vols fans.

I wouldn’t worry about Alabama at the moment. Anything can happen, but Florida’s the team with the hot hand at the moment, and they really should be favored to win in Atlanta. But that would at least fit the context of your argument: Meyer’s spread is far closer to 1920’s football than anything run by any other SEC team. The only other major teams that run 1920s-level football like Florida are West Virginia (well, at least previously) and Michigan (well, they hope to someday). If you want an old-v-new type game, Florida’s the team you want.

Feel free to stick around and add to the discussion. It’s always good to have views from the schools where our coaching wish-lists intersect. Do take the time to catch up to the conversations, though.

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 2:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hoop

Have you ever thought about politics ? You can tell some one to go to hell and make them look forward to the trip. : )

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on Nov 19, 2008 3:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

I’ve never been an arguer. Besides, Tech’s been suffering under the attention cast on OU and TexU for a long, long time. I don’t want to spoil their time in the sun. (Head Coach search notwithstanding.)

Besides, he does have one point; Tennessee is not relevant right now. When there are about 6 schools with MNC aspirations and Tennessee is at 3-7, we’re simply not on the national news circuit. Painful, but it’s true for the rest of the season.

by hooper on Nov 20, 2008 10:12 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very nice hoop

My comments were going to be much more obviously derogatory, but you summed it up nicely.

by gramsey712 on Nov 20, 2008 9:44 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks.

Since the comment came up shortly after Orson’s post hit feed readers, I figured that he was just in an EDSBS kind of mood. Orson’s an absolute master at stirring the pot, so you have to expect some blowover.

by hooper on Nov 20, 2008 10:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Texas

I don’t think anyone here questions Techs talent. And that 1920’s football has won 4 of the last 10 national titles, including one for non entity Tennessee.

I’m not comparing your team to Hawaii here, but there was a fine example of what happens to finesse when it runs into outdated 1920’s football.

I love watching Tech, but be careful picking a fight here.

by coopnjaxdad on Nov 19, 2008 2:47 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not going to comment on Griff's moronity (I guess he hasn't watched the past 4 Florida games), but

I don’t know about Leavitt. USF has faded in the middle of the season both the past two years. They’ve lost 4 out of their last 5 this year (Syracuse was the win). They got to, I think, #2 last year before losing a string of games and finishing 9-4.

by wvvol on Nov 19, 2008 8:22 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hadn't even heard of Leavitt as a candidate until articles like this.

So that basically tells me that he isn’t in the running. Besides, I don’t think they’d preface the hire as a “splash” if they were pursuing him. For what I know about all this stuff. Which is nothing, but hey.

by hooper on Nov 19, 2008 8:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Charlie Strong not a candidate?

Florida has like the third ranked defense in the land and I guess Charlie Strong is not a candidate?

And to the Texas Tech dude that made the “non entity” comment, let’s not get into a historical stats duel between the two schools. Right now Texas Tech is up, and Tennessee is down. Everyone in the nation will agree to that.

But when it comes to tradition, Tennessee has Texas Tech beat in every category.

by Colonel Corn on Nov 19, 2008 11:55 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Charlie Strong definitely not a candidate

Uh, he’s happy at Florida… he’s, ah, not interested in taking a HBC position. Anywhere. Ever.

:)

Orange and Blue Hue: The World through GATOR-colored Glasses -- http://www.orangeandbluehue.com

by Gatorpilot on Nov 20, 2008 7:25 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pirate Vol Navy!

…wait, wrong candidate. Nothing to see here.

by Graysnail on Nov 20, 2008 7:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know

The more I think about it, the more I think UT will hire Kelly (much to my disappointment!). His career path is strikingly similar to Bruce Pearl’s (lots of success at D2 school, modest success at mid-major D1), and I’m thinking Hamilton will think lightning will strike twice. Does that make sense to you guys or am I just finding patterns that don’t fit?

War Damn Eagle!

by PowerOfDixieland on Nov 20, 2008 12:52 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I had to place somebody else's money on a craps table over this, it'd be on Kelly.

(No way would I place my own money, and no way would I place anybody else’s without a signed statement acknowledging my complete lack of responsibility over the result.)

But yeah, it’s reasonable to think Kelly’s the front-runner. Leach is the easy one to talk about because he’s the most interesting character, but the suits don’t think like we do. Kelly would be a much easier contract to negotiate and would perhaps cost a little less. He’d also be a pretty easy sell once people take their loving gaze off of Leach and realize that there are other hot chicks at the dance. (Metaphorically again, natch.)

by hooper on Nov 20, 2008 1:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After reading the comments over at EDSBS...

… I now want Mike Leach more than any other coach, if only to scare/piss off the fans of the other schools in the conference. They seem to think he would do pretty well here. Brian Kelly doesn’t scare anybody, except a few Vol fans.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Nov 20, 2008 2:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The best evidence in favor of Leach

is the number of non-TTech Big 12 fans who desperately want Leach out of their conference. If nothing else, the guy causes some serious headaches and psychological depressions among upcoming defensive coordinators. That can’t be a bad thing.

Unlike our presumptive anticipation of the Clawfense, we’d have to assume a couple years worth of retooling at UT, but unlike the Clawfense, we also have a better case history of success at the 1-A level.

by hooper on Nov 20, 2008 2:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You, the EDSBS comments section, and your Big 12 fans knowledge have conviced me...

I want Leach. I reserve the right to change my mind as soon as Saturday night.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Nov 20, 2008 2:35 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn my inability to reply to the correct thread...

… and also spell “convinced” correctly.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Nov 20, 2008 2:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh.

I’m trying to keep as open about it as I can. The more you pin your hopes on one guy, the better your odds of getting disappointed. And that’s without the new coach actually doing anything. But Leach is just so darn easy to get hopped up for, it’s almost embarrassing.

So I guess I’m probably a Leach guy at the moment simply because I talk about him the most. But I’m with you in reserving the right to flip that around at any time. The only difference is that I won’t change my opinion of Leach even if Tech gets steamrolled on Saturday. Bad games happen once in a while, even to the best coaches. Leach has done enough on a consistent basis to earn recognition as a strong “wanna-have” coach.

And somehow, “conviced” makes a whole lot of sense. ;-)

by hooper on Nov 20, 2008 2:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know what they say about opinions...

The first guest on John and Jimmy’s show today (I can’t remember his name) seemed to think that Mike Leach is the leading candidate. He’s some sort of recruitment guy out of Detroit, I think. Seemed to know Leach very well. He downplayed a lot of the fears that some people might have about him regarding his personality, attitude, etc. It was pretty interesting, but I couldn’t hear all of it because I had to go to CLASS. Geez.

I’m still not sure who my personal choice would be, but I don’t think it would be Brian Kelly, even though he would be OK.

by rblakeh on Nov 20, 2008 4:57 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Off-topic:

I’m watching some of the Georgia Tech – Miami massacre, and now I think I would love to see a Mike Leach team and a Paul Johnson team square off. I just don’t know of any announcing crews savvy enough to follow both offenses in the same game.

by hooper on Nov 20, 2008 9:09 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You beat me to it

If Tech beats Georgia next week, consider me on the Paul Johnson bandwagon.

Can it be a bandwagon with just one person?

by rblakeh on Nov 20, 2008 10:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I get the feeling

that if Kelly is indeed hired, you’re going to be insufferable for a long, long time.

;-)

by hooper on Nov 20, 2008 10:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah, not really.

Why would I be? I got what I wanted, there wouldn’t be any reason to gloat. I’d just be a trendsetter; trendsetters don’t brag.

by Graysnail on Nov 21, 2008 11:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5 minutes left

460 yard on the ground, 46 in the air for GT. Wow.

by hooper on Nov 20, 2008 10:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure

That would make it a one man bandwagon. You know, like the guy with the bass drum, accordion, knee-cymbals, neck harmonica, etc. It would make you a geek, but yes, you could have your one man band wagon.

;-)

Go Vols!

by Joel on Nov 21, 2008 6:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Griff

Is obviously not an intellectual heavyweight.

by kidbourbon on Nov 21, 2008 2:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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