Texas Tech at Oklahoma: Mike Leach man-crush thread
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 7:00 PM EST
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PrintThere. I said it. And I meant it.
Whatever happens, this should be a really fun game to watch.
Question: Assuming you would like Tennessee to hire Mike Leach as its next head coach, who are you rooting for tonight and why? If he wins, there's probably more on that merry bandwagon. If he loses, he's probably (might be?) out of the Big 12 Championship Game, which would mean that we could talk to him sooner. Sooner. Heh.
Anyway, what do you think?
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FYI
I’ll be late into the game tonight. We have the trek to Hodges for the Mrs. in a few minutes.
…tell them not to score too many points before I get online, willya? ;-)
I will
but they won’t listen.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Understood.
Coaches can be so bullheaded at times.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, I voted Tech.
Even though I picked Oklahoma on the FOP board, a Tech win would be far more benificial to me maintaining my lead. So there ya go.
;-)
Gah.
BenEficial.
I do know that. Aaarrrrr….
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
What a hit by Hunter. Stopping the dude right at the goal line when the other guy had the head of steam.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 8:26 PM EST reply actions
not that it mattered
Score on the next play.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think Trump wants to make Leach his HC
you’re hired!
by samhitch on Nov 22, 2008 8:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Trump on Leach
“You’re going to be a rich man at the end of this season. Everybody wants you.”
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 8:41 PM EST reply actions
So is Trump another reason
to hire Leach? Any chance he becomes a booster of whatever school Leach is at?
Nah.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 8:43 PM EST reply actions
Whatever team Leach ended up coaching for
All the players would have to get that mean, mean haircut. You know the one.
I love how Tech always seems to fall forward.
It’s like the tackle itself gains 3-4 yards every time.
you mean
shave a balding pattern in your hair and don (oh, pun) a hairpiece?
whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 22, 2008 8:45 PM EST reply actions
"half bear, half cat" Kelly's team up 14-7
whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 22, 2008 8:51 PM EST reply actions
hee hee
arkansas loses. petrino smells. Croom wins. all smiles
whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 22, 2008 8:54 PM EST reply actions
I don't feel any love lost for Arkansas this year.
After the way they ran Nutt out, and after the way Petrino hung the Falcons out to dry, they can wallow in mediocrity for a while.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Utah just won their game.
41-24 with 12:00 left. There’s no way to come back with that kind of time, so long as Utah runs the ball every time they touch it.
paterno
will come out of surgery as a head in a jar and a cyborg body ( a la futurama). and he will coach for ever.
whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 22, 2008 9:06 PM EST reply actions
If Tech can get 8 yards per play
Even when the defense knows what’s coming, well, then I want that.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 9:07 PM EST reply actions
Brief concern.
If Leach comes to UT, you can bet that all SEC schools will be sending buckets o’ cash to Stoops to ask how to defend his offense.
Is that legal?
I some of the UT-suck has rubbed off on TT tonight. They seem to be making mistakes I’ve not seen them make this year.
I don't know why not.
When Clawson came here, other SEC schools were contacting Richmond’s rivals for tips.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
It was just a phrase.
The point is still there.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Remember this:
“As Lewis describes it, "It’s as if his opponent’s defense has some deep dark secret that takes time for his offense to extract." Once he finds it, game over, man.”
Link.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 9:10 PM EST reply actions
Even at that, no team is invincible.
When 11 20ish guys line up against 11 other 20ish guys, anything can happen.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
And that “time” thing is loaded. There are only 60 minutes. And how long it takes the other team to figure things out can be a deciding factor as well.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Man
The pace of this game is very fast.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 9:17 PM EST reply actions
Haven't seen that type of courage from a UT coach in a while.
Too much kicking a meaningless 24 yard FG with 0:10 seconds left in the first half instead of trying to attack. But I’m not bitter.
chrome plated bawlsy
whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 22, 2008 9:24 PM EST reply actions
Oklahoma
building a solid case for the top of the rock, paper, scissors chain.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 9:28 PM EST reply actions
If they win as big as the first half suggests,
they deserve the nod over Texas. No question.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Point of interest in the Big 12 South love triangle:
TTech beat Texas in Lubbock.
OU is leading TTech in Norman.
Texas beat OU in Dallas – nominally neutral, but still more of a “home” game for Texas than OU.
Probably.
FSU might sneak back in, too.
But at this rate, they won’t have anybody left. If UGA beats GTech and Florida beats FSU, then whom?
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
only in round ball
whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 22, 2008 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Boston College will be ranked on Sunday.
Mostly out of default. They lost their QB to a bad ankle injury and will have to play a freshman against Maryland next weekend.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
But the thing is this: the guaranteed BCS bid out of that conference likely will be ranked lower than 20.
And a lot of mid-major teams will be ranked higher. Significantly higher.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
good point
whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 22, 2008 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
What's to prevent
the defense from hitting one of those o-linemen when they stand up and look at the sidelines?
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 9:45 PM EST reply actions
Penalties
The offsides should be defended w/ a false start, right?
I guess that’s the question. Why isn’t it a false start?
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don't have an answer.
I wondered why UT’s opponents didn’t do that last year every time the offense looked to the sidelines.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
The offensive player isn't simulating a snap
Which is the definition of a false start, I think. Simulating a snap is taking a step back or forward, not just raising your body and looking to the sidelines.
That makes sense, but
what if – when the line looks up – the defense reacts to the motion and uncoils, piling into them?
Would you then call a delay of game on the defense? Offside? When they were reacting to the offense moving? That’s what makes it such a weird little question.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
cincy up 28-7
whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 22, 2008 9:48 PM EST reply actions
Wow
Huge, huge, huge half for the Sooners.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 9:49 PM EST reply actions
This should silence Mack Brown, at least.
Or so you’d think.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
The ACC, Big East, SEC and Big 10 have a lot of territorial overlap, which has to hurt recruiting.
Especially for the ACC and Big East. That has to be a part of the reason they’re suffering so much right now.
The Big 12 and PAC-10 have very little overlap with any major conference, which makes things much easier on them.
well,
at least we get to see Leach’s half-time adjustments to a first half skull crushin’
whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 22, 2008 9:52 PM EST reply actions
Actually, I was looking forward to that.
It’s one thing for a team to be on point when they’re succeeding, but you want to know how a coach can manage a team when things are falling apart.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Cincinatti is looking real good tonight
Just sayin’
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
yep
just agreein’
whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 22, 2008 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
What's the score
And who are they playing again?
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
28- 14 vs Pitt
whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 22, 2008 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Pitt just scored
And it’s 28-14 Cincy
Cincy has been dominating the whole game.
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
Other than when Pitt was up 7-0 early
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
Look at that
Tech is trying to score from their own 20 with 14 seconds left in the half. Gotta like that.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 9:54 PM EST reply actions
It's possible for 3 guaranteed BCS berths to be ranked below #15.
PAC-10: Oreg. State if they win a squeaker will be around #15.
The Big East winner, depending on how things finish.
The ACC winner, almost guaranteed.
Oreg. State: that ‘squeaker’ refers to the upcoming game against Oregon.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
This is probably an old joke in the Big 12
But it just occurred to me. The Guns Up hand sign is really just an L is for Loser sign with imaginary bullets.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 10:09 PM EST reply actions
heh
I don’t know if it’s a joke over there or not. I do know that the commenters at BON are very, very bitter right now.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
if you mean
in one half of a season, i gotta answer for ya.
whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 22, 2008 10:15 PM EST reply actions
Influence of blogs:
5 years ago, the announcers would have been stone cold sober to the question about what Tech has to do. Now, like bloggers, they laugh.
Dude plays to win
Onsides kick to start the half.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 10:17 PM EST reply actions
Yeah.
He has a far better comprehension of game strategy than most coaches. Sure, the onsides is a risk, but the conventional kick is a more guaranteed slow death.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Cincy losing control, as well. 28-21
whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 22, 2008 10:29 PM EST reply actions
They're beginning to look better.
Obviously, it’s too late. But still, that second half figuring-it-out thing is kicking in a bit.
Cincy wins
whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 22, 2008 10:41 PM EST reply actions
Brian Kelly is your leader after tonight
Whether it’s the right pick or not, Hamilton will love Kelly’s schemes. Very similar to ours.
"There's on-ly one Rick-y Hat-ton"!
The Brits know how to support their fighter. It’s like his version of Rocky Top.
I think I ate
that at Olive Garden last night
does Ricky Hatton
come with endless salad and bread?
whoshotwhointhewhatnow?
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 22, 2008 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
No, but the Malignaggi
is great with Alfredo
Seriously, though.
Is that boxing? MMA?
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ask again later
At say, 8:00 tomorrow morning. I’m guessing Texas Tech.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 22, 2008 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Hm
Well, Leach’s offense got man handled, but still actually looked decent. He went up against his former boss who had 2 weeks to prepare for it, and still had some success. They’ve already won one big game (Texas), so it will be interesting to see how they do against (I hope) an SEC opponent in the bowl game.
I still like Leach’s coaching philosophy. It can be said that the defensive scheme was designed around ‘not losing,’ but everything else was definitely going for the win.
OU looked awesome tonight.
That is the one thing to remember: Stoops is the one guy in the country who would know how to beat Leach.
That also gives confidence to the players, and OU is a supremely talented team. Going into the game as the lower seed didn’t hurt either.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
There is now a very real possibility of a TTech - Ole Miss Cotton Bowl.
If nothing else, that would be a fun game to watch.
That doesn't seem like a fair matchup
Ole Miss is a good team, but the records don’t really match. I think it was Texas that destroyed Arkansas last year (really just a pretty good team, not great)…. making the SEC look bad.
The other possibility is LSU.
But that almost requires an Ole Miss loss in the Egg Bowl.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Re: The Cotton Bowl last year
It was Mizzou.
proud to swim home
by learned hand on Nov 23, 2008 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
This is good for Tennessee fans.
Now that Leach’s offense isn’t considered to be totally unstoppable, it’s easier to sit back and ask more fairly whether we want him here.
I’m guessing the answer is still yes, but at least it’s not all roses and sunshine.
Like everyone else,
I expected a closer game. I was expecting a public announcement of Leach’s new contract after shoring up the Big 12 S title. Now, we’re definitely that much closer…if we want him
The bigger problem was that the Tech defense was badly outmatched tonight.
That OU offense was incredible – especially on the line. They were terrific with the no-huddle as well. Once they knew where the mismatches were, they could just march down the field and deny Tech the opportunity to substitute.
And on defense, they did what nobody else could do; they got to Harrell. Their D-linemen simply won out on the 1-on-1 battles and got pressure on him. That’s the one thing that can stop the Leach offense, and OU did it in spades.
by David Hooper on Nov 22, 2008 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
This is off topic, but I was just checking GoVolsXtra
Man, I really dislike John Adams when he writes directly about the Vols. He’s constantly giving backhanded complements. He trashed out the 98 team and basically said that they lucked in to everything. And tonight he’s got an article about how the only reason UT won today is because of Vanderbilt’s poor quarterback play. Which yeah, that was a contributing factor, but needs to stop writing like an amateur blogger and more like a professional journalist.
/rant
Dude gets his rocks off on that garbage.
His hate/hate relationship with fans sells newspapers so he’ll have a job as long as he doesn’t do anything unethical or illegal.
What I learned tonight
If we bring in Leach, we absolutely must bring in a DC with real experience and success.
Or just keep the one we’ve got, maybe?
I don't a conservative defense
can work with Leach. The real issue is whether we could handle a high scoring offense with the current bend not break prevent once a 2 score lead is established.
Look at the Colts
Their defense is outstanding if Indy has a 10+ point lead late in the game. If the offense has an off night, the defense is in for a long one. I would prefer a more consistent defense. You can always ratchet up the pressure when you get a lead.
I think that's why Leach never throttles back the offense.
That way, he doesn’t have to rely on the defense to hold a lead. He lets the offense at least match any scores the other team manages.
by David Hooper on Nov 23, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
After Last night's game
I dont think i want Leach as coach for tennessee if chavis leaves. his defense did not look impressive at all. they could not stop the run or pass. it would not stand up against florida or a couple other sec teams for that matter.
Dustin
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