Tennessee Volunteers vs. Gonzaga Bulldogs: open game thread
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 5:30 PM EST
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No. 12 (AP) No. 12 (USA Today) |
No. 9 (AP) No. 10 (USA Today) |
| Tennessee | Ht. | Wt. | Yr. | PPG | RPG | APG |
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C | 4 Wayne Chism | 6-9 | 242 | Jr. | 11.4 | 8.2 | 1.8 |
F | 1 Tyler Smith | 6-7 | 215 | Jr. | 18.6 | 4.8 | 4.0 |
F | 0 Renaldo Woolridge | 6-8 | 208 | Fr. | 5.6 | 4.0 | 0.6 |
G | 32 Scotty Hopson | 6-7 | 185 | Fr. | 8.6 | 1.4 | 0.2 |
G | 3 Bobby Maze | 6-2 | 185 | Jr. | 9.0 | 3.0 | 6.4 |
| Gonzaga | Ht. |
Wt. |
Yr. |
PPG |
RPG |
APG |
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F | 5 Austin Daye | 6-11 | 200 | So. | 14.5 | 9.0 | 0.5 |
F | 42 Josh Heytvelt | 6-11 | 260 | Sr. | 15.0 | 6.8 | 0.8 |
G | 22 Micah Downs | 6-8 | 194 | Sr. | 13.0 | 6.0 | 1.3 |
G | 15 Matt Bouldin | 6-5 | 224 | Jr. | 10.0 | 5.3 | 2.8 |
G | 2 Jeremy Pargo | 6-2 | 220 | Sr. | 9.5 | 5.0 | 7.0 |
Jackson the Mule says . . . |
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. . . what's up with all the canines in this tournament? |
Leave your pre-, in-, and post-game thoughts below.
Go Vols! Hulk smash yet another canine!
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couple of analysts predicting Gonzaga to make it to the Final Four for the first time this March...
lots of experience, as mentioned above, and Josh Heytvelt is a beast in the paint and will be our biggest problem tonight
I don't think we'll be starting on time...
This game hasn’t finished yet. Don’t they need 30 minutes for warm-up?
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Oh, good
Because I’m running late.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Kiffin announcement at 2 PM tomorrow if you haven't heard.
Also, Corn From a Jar put up a FanShot with Mike Hamilton’s letter in it.
Probably not.
By this time, all the info has been scooped clean. The only thing left to wait on is the announcement of more staff members and contract details. Those should trickle in over the next few weeks or so.
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
plus has anybody heard the rumor that #1 ranked overall QB prospect Matt Barkley is going to visit UT in Dec. because of the Kiffin hire?
Heard the rumor, but not from anything resembling a source.
If anybody gets actual wind, please post, though.
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
So.
Sitting in the airport, no headphones. Should I annoy everyone around me and stream the audio of the game?
Oh, I don't know
Memphis? Maybe not.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely.
But safety, young man! Safety!
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm telling Graysnail
You’re gonna be in truuuuh-ble!
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Well, keep in mind
After I landed here, I realized I should’ve brought my Pittsburgh-era Ron Francis jersey, worn it through the airport, and tried to pick fights to pass the time. So I’m not exactly shy about sports confrontations.
And I wore a USC cap through the Dallas airport the day of the ’05 BCS Championship Game.
by Chris Pendley on Nov 30, 2008 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Ha
Good point.
Funny story about Memphis. I have a step brother who lives in Memphis with his family. He has two twin girls who are about 4 or 5. Last year he sent us some pictures of them making snow angels, but he called them Drive By Drills.
So, yeah, safety might be something to think about.
What are they going to do, not graduate on us?
I ain’t skeered.
by Chris Pendley on Nov 30, 2008 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Philly.
But I can’t get a decent connection anyway, so it may be a moot point. The main wireless broadcaster isn’t letting me pick up a signal so I’m cribbing from some other place instead.
by Chris Pendley on Nov 30, 2008 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
YES
It’s the holiday season. It’s all about building memories!
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
CLK
That’ll take a while to get used to.
click-clack?
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Attempt to get the bar to change the TV channel: failed.
by Chris Pendley on Nov 30, 2008 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
It was worth a shot
It’s either this or 60 Minutes.
by Chris Pendley on Nov 30, 2008 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Hey
We’re watching 60 minutes, too. Ours are just going to be more fun.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
There's always the Kiffin Pirate Navy.
by Chris Pendley on Nov 30, 2008 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Works for me!
He’s coming from the Raiders. His dad’s coming from the Buccaneers. Close enough!
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I say we do it anyway. It’s not like Leach was a pirate himself. He just liked pirates. We can like pirates!
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Is Tennessee for real?
That’s what we learn tonight? I must be thinking of a different team that put up 90 on the Hoyas.
I'll pass that along to the Mrs.
It’s all on her! :-D
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, sloppy.
On the wrong end.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 8:10 PM EST reply actions
So how much Swagger deodorant
do you think I need?
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 8:12 PM EST reply actions
um.......none at all......
[fingers crossed]
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well,
no offense, but let’s be honest, hooper. I’ve met you. You’ve met me. We need to go to Sam’s.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
If I did, they'd upgrade my membership to business level.
Just for the sheer amount of money I’d be a-spendin’
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Does anybody really type
on their computer while laying on their stomach? Maybe I’m just too old and sore, but I’d think that wouldn’t last long.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 8:13 PM EST reply actions
Non sequitur
Wyoming appears to be hiring Christensen, the Missouri offensive coordinator.
Anybody want a rematch? ;-D
How many games
do you think we’ll get through before we can make it through an entire game without hearing about Brian Williams’ prior weight?
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 8:15 PM EST reply actions
Well....
graduates from Bruce U., at any rate.
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Put that on a curve, hooper
If he keeps losing weight at his current rate, do you think he’ll leave early? And where will he go?
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
well, if he loses too much,
he’ll be going wherever the wind blows
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yikes
That’s a scary score.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Nice rebound
by Williams there.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 8:23 PM EST reply actions
Used the old Dennis Rodman move
Keep tipping it up until he gets the advantage in timing.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Game has the feeling
like the ’Zags are doing much better, but Vols are somehow staying quietly close.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 8:29 PM EST reply actions
nah.
Their tiebreak system doesn’t work that way is all.
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think there are good arguments
both ways, but the head to head stuff is essentially negated by the rock, paper, scissors senario, in which case you need to go with numbers, and Oklahoma’s numbers are apparently better.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
there are.
it’s not a clean problem. If it was, there wouldn’t be any argument over it. However, the Big 12 decided their tiebreakers long before the season started, and that’s what matters. If they had instituted a “best two in BCS go to head-to-head” tiebreak, then Texas would play Missouri.
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
And all of a sudden
we’re up by 3.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 8:37 PM EST reply actions
It's strange
How frequently Prince gets called for traveling and Smith for palming the ball. Kind of like how UT quarterbacks constantly have their passes batted down at the LOS.
Something about Love relegated to luggage is strangely satisfying
after all the ESPN love for him last year.
One thing about playing fast is that it's mentally draining.
If you’re used to it, the mind adapts. But that gets to be a lot of information to process, and mental lapses can catch up to a team that’s not used to the tempo.
No idea
I’ve seen Pearl animated before, but I don’t know that I’ve ever seen him so angry. He must have seen something he really didn’t like. I’d imagine he’ll use that in the 2nd half.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
So....
ESPN’s floor guy decided to interview the Zag coach over Pearl?
Somebody’s still jealous about halftime in Memphis…
Now that it's halftime, I should clarify:
I have a very chill stance on things like the OU/Texas/TTech tiebreaker for the Big 12 championship game. In any sport, the rules you play by are all arbitrary. For example, the forward pass doesn’t have to be legal. People like it enough that they have the rule. But it’s arbitrary nonetheless. The crucial point is that the rules are known beforehand and everybody agrees to play by them.
The Big 12 decided to use a BCS standing tiebreaker to give their highest-ranked team a better chance to play in the conference champ game and maybe have a shot at the MNC. Every team in the conference knew that, and you never heard any complaints before the season started. With that, every team will abide by the rule now that it matters. If the Big 12 decides they don’t like how it works out, they can always change it in the offseason. But for now, they’re stuck with it.
Looking at the computer rankings, the key to remember is that Texas played all their hard games before Oklahoma did. OU didn’t get Tech and OSU until the end, so their resume was missing some of their most important contributors. That’s why Texas was so strong in the computers for so long; they had the better numbers. But if you look at the 12 games each team played, forget the actual order of play (since the computers don’t care), and even forget that you’re looking at two teams that played head-to-head (since the computers don’t care), the results are sensible. Both schools played a great schedule, but OU’s had some slightly better marks. For one, they didn’t play Missouri, so the loss to Kansas didn’t hurt OU. For another, their OOC schedule had a better season. Lastly, their differentials were greater (points for / points against, etc.). It’s not overwhelming by any means, but it’s there.
The thing about the head-to-head is that one game never tells you which team is actually better; it just tells you which one has the better data for a metric from the one game. What that means will depend on how you choose to look at it.
Again, if the Big12 had decided to use a tiebreaker that would currently favor Texas, I wouldn’t have any problem with it either. Since this only determines the team that plays against Missouri, it’s their issue. OU still has to beat Missouri to play in the MNC. And there’s an outside chance that Texas may make the MNC even if OU wins.
But that’s just me.
I don't have any problems with their rules
I just take issue with a system that sends the loser of a head to head game to the championship while the winner is left out.
It’s the BCS at its worst.
Question, then:
Why a playoff?
(I’ll explain after the answer.)
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Feeling Socratic tonight, aren't we?
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
A little.
I have some disagreements with the playoff push that I’ve been sitting on for a while. The Wiz and Doc are starting to get to me though. I just might fire back in a while if I get in the right mood.
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'm ambivalent
I like the diversity of a playoff in basketball and the bowl system in football. Each has its merits.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Me too
If we go to a playoff, I’ll be perfectly fine with it. But let’s not call the winner the national champion. Let’s call them the playoff champion; it’s more accurate.
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
It won't be perfect
As arbitrary rankings will still come into play, but it will be better than what we’ve got. And in situations like what we’ve got in the Big 12 South (3 way tie), justice will probably still not be served. But the BCS screws teams on almost a yearly basis. If they don’t want to have a playoff, then make every BCS conference play either a round robin or have conference championship games. There is no consistency and I don’t like arbitrarily ranking teams above or below each other when they have never played.
Fair enough.
The argument about ranking teams w/out any head-to-head experience is one you never hear. But it’s legitimate.
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, there is no perfect solution
I just think we can do better. I will say, though, that other than the mess in the Big 12, the BCS rankings seem to be a little more reasonable this year. I do find it annoying that USC is ranked so high, but other than that it’s not so bad.
My big beef with the playoff push is that it doesn't solve the problem it's been presented with.
Most people want to find out “who the best team in the country is”. Playoffs don’t do that. Just like we argue whether the single-game performance between Texas and OU or the whole-season performance should have priority, there just isn’t any way to find the “best” team in a playoff system. You put two teams on the field where, Team A might beat Team B 7 out of 10 times. But if the actual game fits within the 30%, it doesn’t mean Team B is better. It just means Team B won the game.
If people put forward the idea for a playoff for its own merit, that’d be different. But proposing a playoff because of the OU/Texas deal (or similar events) doesn’t answer the problem itself. At best, you can say it shifts the problem further down the polls (again the rankings!) where the argument may not be quite so loud.
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
It only finds the best team in the country RIGHT NOW. And upsets will still happen. I just think it does away with most legitimate arguments that Team A or Team B should have been the one in the National Championship game. If Team A beats Team C, and Team B ends up beating Team A, Team C doesn’t really have an argument that they would have beaten Team B if given the chance. Of course, that could happen (Team C beating Team A), but it removes a lot of the legitimacy from the argument, I think.
Plus it will lead to some great OOC football games, and you can’t go wrong with that.
Sure, but it'll probably destroy the good OOC games during the season.
If you only have to be top 8, then your typical SEC, PAC-10, Big12 and Big10 teams only need to win their conference to make the playoff. Why risk upset?
Would tOSU have played USC if they merely needed to be top 8? They’d have probably played Youngstown State instead.
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well
You’d like to think that the BCS/pollsters would punish them for that. And just winning your conference doesn’t put in the Top 8. Anyway, I’m not saying it’s perfect. I just think it’s better. And I’m perfectly fine with agreeing to disagree :)
Yeah thank the idiots on I40 for that garbage
It was like everyone got together and decided to drive in the left lane about two miles an hour faster than everyone in the right lane.
It was great!
Hopefully I can catch the next one.
I think it's a widescreen
It’s a mac from work though, and I think they run some insanely retarded non standard resolution. So who knows.
You're going to break it!
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
The tech guys
have thought of everything!
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I was hoping it would get down to about one character wide. And after that, the site would asplode.
Not that I have anything against RTR. It would just be really cool to be responsible for something like that.
heh.
and it’s the next small shiny object for people like me!
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it's merely an opinion.
As I said before, I’m quite chill about it all. It’s all entertainment, first and foremost. I like to keep it that way, so I let the small details slide.
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
That man has his priorities straight...
He’s thankful for:
1) His wife
2) TENNESSEE
3) Breathing
Sounds about right.
I am really looking forward to their trip to Knoxville in January
These two teams do NOT like each other.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Yeah
I wonder why that is, though. Is there a history I don’t know about?
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Doubt it - we've never played them, have we?
Probably just formed tonight. Maybe they’ve seen each other out in the Magic Kingdom and J.P. Prince stole one of the Zags’ fastpasses.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
We played last year
seems like I remember that game being kind of chippy
by CornFromAJar on Nov 30, 2008 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, CfaJ
Happen to remember any specifics? I can’t recall.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Err
Here’s the game thread from last year, no mention of chippyness. Could be I wanted it to be chippy. Chippy.
by CornFromAJar on Nov 30, 2008 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps
things were chippy at the CfaJ household?
;-)
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Me, too
Chippy is a fun word. So, are you sure it wasn’t chippy where you were? Because you were obviously thinking something was chippy and one doesn’t generally think something is chippy unless something is actually chippy. I must therefore conclude that something was chippy somewhere.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, that's right!
I was visiting my grandparents that day and couldn’t watch the game. Totally forgot about that.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Tough stretch there
Back to back slams on breakdowns.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 9:23 PM EST reply actions
Clemson to name Swiney head coach
Guess Coach Fulmer is gonna have to sit out a year at least…
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Gonzaga is pulling away
Is this just a game of experience over inexperience? Or has a different weakness been exposed?
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 9:39 PM EST reply actions
This game hasn't seemed to have been played at our optimal pace
But there’s still time for another run or two.
probably inexperience
Tennessee looks flat
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
They wore out.
The shooting just went away from Tennessee in the second half. They missed a lot of shots they had a reasonable chance to make.
We're having problems finishing
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 9:50 PM EST reply actions
They finished pretty well against Georgetown.
But that game was brutally tiring, too. Perhaps some lag, even two days after?
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I meant finishing shots, though.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
getting good ones
But nothing will go in.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Also true
It’s crowded around the basket.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like someone gave UT some swagger
Let’s just hope it’s enough.
What’s the over under on how much Swagger UT needs combined with how much Swagger Joel needs?
They significantly reduce
the amount I need. But we still need a pallet from Sam’s.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
I just realized your avatar is a fiddler on a roof
And not a man with an AK 47.
Funny how things just click sometimes.
Well, that changes the swagger factor..
.
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Nice!
Two and an intentional!
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 10:01 PM EST reply actions
hey
it’s hard shooting from the roof!
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
I wish I had time stamping turned on, but check this out...
Tatum checks in
Blake: tatum is about ot make it rain
Blake: just wait
Tatum scores
Blake: TOLD YOUUUUUUUUUU
Becky: haha
Nice
But I don’t believe you.
;-)
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
I've got a gun
apparently. And I can make witnesses disappear.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah no kidding
I thought your avatar was a guy holding an AK while a giant robot approached in the background.
Needless to say I thought you were awesome. Now that I know it’s a fiddler… well…
It’s like you’re using anti-Swagger :)
lol
I use Secret.
Is that bad?
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Let me fill you in
Chicks did the Tag deodorant….not the body spray
Fortunately, I'm married.
That game is history :-D
by David Hooper on Nov 30, 2008 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think my pH is fine, thank you
My mental balance . . . different question.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
lol
Well, they do say it’s Strong Enough for a Man, but Made for a Woman, so I suppose we can spin that into it makes you a real hardcore dude with armpits that the ladies just can’t get enough of.
I just described my dream life right there.
There's a lid on that basket
You gotta step on a button at the foul line to open it. From 3 feet or less, we can’t get one to drop.
Still, you have to like the odds in TBA.
Give ’em a home crowd, some rest and some decent shooting, and Tennessee will be tough to beat.
Yeah
Definitely no quit.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
And don't forget...
that our guys will have five weeks to grow their mohawks. Definitely a difference maker tonight.
It's not over, but our guys fought back.
Going undefeated doesn’t pay any more than losing 14. Gonzaga didn’t miss their dunks or 3’s and we had no one who could get hot from outside (or inside).
This explains it: look at the flatness in the second.
But look at the spikes. Those are what will make UT dangerous later on.
It's like
like, like Stairs to Greatness!
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm out
Been fun, y’all. See ya next time.
Go Vols!
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 30, 2008 10:12 PM EST reply actions
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