3 things I learned at lunch
Stuff I heard on my iPod while eating lunch in my car, vaguely half remembered, probably incorrectly, un- fact-checked or otherwise verified, and probably just made up in between sips of aspartame.
- Tee Martin, while being interviewed by Dave Hooker and the Sports Animal guys said that the reunion two weeks ago to celebrate the tenth anniversary of the National Championship was "weird." Yes, they all enjoyed themselves and seeing each other, but as they started talking, they commented to each other how different things were in the program and how they wished the current guys could have the same memories they do. Huh. I wonder if that sentiment was communicated to Mike Hamilton and how much, if any, it factored into the decision.
- Also from Tee Martin: The West Coast Offense is hard. Twice as difficult as what he ran for Cutcliffe. Twice as many words, at least.
- And finally . . . from Tee Martin: "You can't teach an old dog new tricks." He was referring to the offensive line and making the point that their experience may have been a hindrance to the adoption of a difficult new scheme.
Interesting stuff, I thought.
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Makes sense.
The more I think about it, the more I can’t get away from the conclusion that expecting a sudden offensive turnaround was simply not realistic. The WCO system is hard, but a non-NFL level WCO is workable at the college level with some patience. When Clawson was hired, we should have anticipated at least 1 full year of offensive rebuilding before thinking his system would actually be in place.
After all, he’s made the system work everywhere he’s been, and that’s with schools with less talent and fewer resources. There’s no reason a college-edition WCO couldn’t work at UT, but it’s not really feasible to expect it to fire immediately.
It just continues to lead me to believe that we never did see the Clawfense.
by Hooper on Nov 5, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The shame of it
Is we’ll probably never know what really happened. And that whether this year’s miserable offense was actually his fault or not, it’s likely to be a long time before he gets another shot at a major coaching gig.
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
by rustytanton on Nov 5, 2008 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Offensive Line
While the new scheme may have created some problems for the offensive line, I do not believe it was the main problem. When I did the play-by-play for the running game vs. Georgia I did not see examples of lineman of missing blocks because of confusion (that I could tell). Instead I saw players get pushed into the backfield and players that were too slow to be effective pulling on sweeps. From what I could tell from the limited running plays that were called in that game, the blocking scheme and type of plays were very similar to the zone running scheme under Cutcliffe.
by Vol Navy on Nov 5, 2008 2:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great Stuff
I agree with you, we never really saw the clawfense. We will never really know, now. It was an experiment that we had no patience for. Someone should have seen something at some point and said, “hey, this isn’t working, we need something else. The fans aren’t going to accept this.”
Tuberville fired Franklin when they were struggling. Why no last ditch effort by Fulmer to take over the play calling? I guess they didn’t want to give up on the offense, and thought it was about to turn the corner.
Clawson didn’t produce enough for us to give him another year to make it successful. We didn’t see enough to give him the benefit of the doubt on trying it another year to make it work.
by Colonel Corn on Nov 5, 2008 2:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Way
There is no way we ever saw Coach Clawson’s offense. We were too busy getting our tails whipped. I don’t thing there is any way that we can really evaluate Coach Clawson at this point. I understand that the offense struggled, but I don’t think that had much to do with Clawson. Nothing really seemed that revolutionary to me. I never saw any formations or plays that really stood out as something new or improved. I believe Coach Fulmer had a lot to do with the play calling and actual schemes for game day.
by USMarineVol on Nov 5, 2008 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone see the Orange-White game?
I didn’t. How did the offense do against the defense in that game? If there were going to be growing pains, it wouldn’t have hurt for CPF to say, “Be patient with us as we get this thang cranked up.”
by wvvol on Nov 5, 2008 9:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was there.
The problem with gauging things from that game was that the 1st teams went up against the 2nd teams; you never saw best-on-best. At that time, the offense didn’t have a lot of the playbook installed, so there wasn’t much for them to deal with. They did pretty well with it – at least well enough that nobody could see a problem.
But yeah, with a West Coast style coming in, we should have all been crying for patience. Myself included.
by Hooper on Nov 5, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Common sense says we should have expected growing pains, but
it would have meant more if CPF would have said it. Maybe he did, but I didn’t hear/read it.
It’s always better to under-promise/over-deliver. Lou Holtz made a career out of it.
by wvvol on Nov 5, 2008 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fulmer never said it.
He probably didn’t expect it to be quite so hideous, and I don’t think he ever wanted his players to hear him say “rebuild”. It’s kinda like that cell phone “Don’t say merger” commercial.
—I don’t know who does those commercials, but they’re funny. (Yeah, marketing works really well on me.)
by Hooper on Nov 5, 2008 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The bigger question is
Why does Joel eat lunch in his car?
by wvvol on Nov 5, 2008 10:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's all a service to you
Or that I don’t have any friends, one of the two.
;-)
Go Vols!
by Joel on Nov 6, 2008 6:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tired of the WCO
Generally, I’ve grown weary of the term “west coast offense”. I think it’s become diluted to the point where it doesn’t really mean anything anymore. Seems like half the teams out there run a version of it.
by Colonel Corn on Nov 5, 2008 10:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
True.
It now describes anything that’s really complex and relies on short timing routes in the passing game. But it’s still a convenient term to give a rough description that says it’s sorta pro-style and not a “spread”. That’s all I ever mean by it, at least.
by Hooper on Nov 5, 2008 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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