Things that must be said.
Rightly bumped to the front page. Very well-deliberated thoughts from XRayVol. Also, don't miss Getoffmyvols's take here. --hooper
Hello RTT. Good to see y'all again. I've been uncharacteristically quiet over the last few weeks. Some of that is due to technical difficulties, some because, well to be honest, I didn't know what to say.
Over the last few weeks, I saw our team get handled by Florida and Georgia, underachieve at Auburn, come back to play a near perfect game with Miss. St. and go on to flummox with two big rivals. The season has been tumultuous to put it mildly. I have experienced sheer heartbreak this season, as I'm sure you all have. We couldn't not have.
One phrase, I think, can summarize this season: "Technical Difficulties"
Let's be quite frank. The last thing that anybody can say about this team is that they didn't try. The results of this season to date have most definitely not been due to lack of effort. On ANYBODY"S part. Certainly, not Coach's. But we'll get to that. Everybody has been working hard. Of that, you CAN be certain.
Technical difficulties. That's what it all has been. Think about it. Our worst enemy this season has been penalties. Mental Errors. Drive Killers. Momentum Killers. We have played some really sloppy football. But the one game. The one game that we executed well and played smart and disciplined, we handled Miss. State. No offensive penalties in that game. And what happened? 34-3 happened. Now, given, it's MSU, but still! You get what I'm saying. On top of that, and I warn you, these are all things that can be refuted but are my opinion and I think a fairly good point, you bring in a spankin' new OC with a spankin' new complicated playbook and give him a bunch of kids who are trying to pass classes at the University of Tennessee and learn this thing. Oh! And by the way, we're gonna give you a quarterback who is almost completely untested and has only started one game in his short career, to run that complicated offense. We all saw how well that worked. So, hey! I know, let's give you a completely untested sophomore who has NEVER started an SEC game in his LIFE! And we'll see how that works out. Mmmkay?
And what did we do? "Hey, Clawford, or whatever your name is, you gotta make this thing work RIGHT NOW. Today. You have ZERO room for errors. Mmkay. Good luck." That poor guy never even saw the fire as he walked right into it. Or else he saw it and decided to go in anyway. In which case he deserves a lot of respect. Even if he does need to work on his playcalling.
To be honest, in my opinion, this offense never really had a chance. I know! Let's debut this shiny new offense with it's shiny new quarterback against friggin' UCLA. But it's cool because we have three whole weeks before we play FLA., Auburn and flippin' Georgia. Take a ten year old, show him a couple of Karate moves and then let him fight a pack of Ninjas. See what happens. It was always going to take more than one year to get this thing going. But then, no one could have predicted the internal hemorrhaging we'd suffer during the strengthening process. Or the broken neck we suffered when Jon Crompton turned out to be a bust. Stephens has made a pretty good brace for that neck but hey, the kid's got some growing to do, naturally. So things didn't work out the way anybody wanted, it was bound to happen sometime, but I really think we can chalk it all up to Technical Difficulties.
Difficulties that, for some reason, evaded fixing. Why? Who knows. Was it the coaching? Was it the kids? Who knows? I find it really hard to believe that our coaches are inept and/or our athletes are uncoachable. Doesn't make sense. I think it was just unrealistic of us to think this would be anything more than a rebuilding year. All the signs were there. But we, in our infinite fandom, over-expected and we got hurt. We got emotionally injured. And we lashed out. We lashed out BIG. And what generally happens when you make an emotionally charged decision? It usually comes back to bite you in the arse. Stay tuned.
They just needed more time. And understanding. Which brings me to my point.
I only saw about the last season of Johnny Major's career. And I have seen every year of Fulmer's. I rode the wave of excess in the 90's and have ridden it as it has slowly beached itself this year. We have seen the highest of highs and the lowest of lows during the last 17 years. We have experienced the thrill of important victories, hard fought battles, and decisive routs. We've felt the sting of upsetting losses, and I don't just mean the games (I'm looking at you Inky Johnson), public embarrassment, and the unfulfillment of championship dreams. A lot of things have happened in the last 17 years, not all of them good. And I have to tell you, I love the University of Tennessee and I always will, but what they did Monday was wrong. It was a bad decision. Nevermind that Fulmer, one of the NCAA's winningest and cleanest coaches, should have been allowed to leave on his own terms, but to do it with three game left. Shameful. If you're going to fire the guy, at least wait 'till the season's over. Sheesh. I don't like the decision to fire him. I think it'll cause more trouble than it'll fix. Personally, I think they should have had one more year. If they couldn't make the thing work by the middle of next season, then you start thinking about a new coach. NOBODY installs a new offense and makes it work immediately. NOBODY. Especially not with green quarterbacks. It was bad. And I say that knowing that Fulmer could've turned it around eventually and that now we are very dangerously close to becoming the newest seat on the Coach Carousel.
I love Fulmer. I think he is one of the classiest, most genuine, dedicated, resilient, fervored coaches ever. He bleeds Big Orange more than most. He has worked like heck for us and the school and especially his athletes. Who I was damn proud of, seeing them at the press conference. That's loyalty people! Have you seen any other coaches' players line up behind them during their conferences. I think not. Phillip Fulmer was at the center of something special at the University of Tennessee. And now it's gone. I feel the worst for the players. Even though we've questioned Fulmer's discipline with his players, no one can question his dedication to them. It's sad to think that the football program won't be the program anymore. What will it become? What will we become? Will we be the next major university to become the girl you wanna take to the "movies" but not the one you wanna bring home to mom? Or will we meet the guy? The guy who will restore order to our lives and treat us well and stick around. (ed.s note: I'm not a scorned woman, or a woman at all, I just can't think of a better analogy right now.) I just hope this decision doesn't come back to bite us like I think it might. I really do.
I'm going to miss Phillip Fulmer and the whole staff, should it be discarded. And I had to get that out of my system. I guess the only thing to do now is move forward, and hope that Hamilton, whom I'm not a big fan of right now, makes a very good decision to fix the bad one he just made. Well, it won't fix it but it could eventually take away the sting.
God bless Phillip Fulmer and I wish him and his family nothing but the best as well as all the coaches we might lose. I hope they go on to continued success. Now I'll just sit back and cross my fingers and hope for the best. God help us.
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You make some good points
Coach Fulmer was the last of a dying breed, the coach who dedicates his life to his alma mater. We will probably never again have a coach that really bleeds orange like we do, but I don’t know, maybe that will turn out to be a good thing.
This is the end of an era at Tennessee. We have now finally made the transition complete to a business-type program. It won’t be as much about family any more, it will just be business.
But we have to trust in Hamilton because that’s all we can do. Who knows, maybe he will actually find a Bruce Pearl-type for our HC.
by Colonel Corn on Nov 6, 2008 9:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
One thing we have to realize
Just because we’re getting a new coach doesn’t mean we’re getting a heartless soul who only sees players as the necessary tools to run a system. A coach doesn’t have to be a Tennessee guy to care about his players and run a clean program.
It sounds like the Fulmer supporters think were automatically doomed to have a Bill Belichek type at the helm now. This could be the start of a great new era for Tennessee football, only time will tell.
by Getoffmyvols on Nov 6, 2008 10:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is very true.
Most coaches really care about the players and love them like family. That’s a big reason why many of them coach. We’ll have to be fair and give the new coach a clean slate. If everybody compares him to Fulmer when he starts, it’ll only make things harder.
by Hooper on Nov 6, 2008 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Don’t why you would call out Inky Johnson. The kid fought back from some incredibly crappy luck and set an example that to me is unimpeachable. “Look at” someone else, please.
Now to your other comments, Phil Fulmer is leaving on his terms. The University and he agreed that UT would pay him the sum of $6 million over 48 months should the University decide his services were no longer required. Those are his terms. There’s probably a “for cause” clause where the University could fire him and give him nothing. 3-6 might be considered “cause.”
I don’t know how many people here were around when Phil took the job from Johnny Majors, but this is really a case of “what goes around, comes around.” There’s no “emeritus” attached to the title, Head Football Coach.
Sorry for the tone of this, but that Inky Johnson comment really pissed me off. I’d love to know who started that “I’m looking at you …” BS so I could rip his heart out in his mother’s basement.
by wvvol on Nov 6, 2008 11:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he intended to call out Inky Johnson.
I read the comment to mean that Johnson was one of the upsetting losses, but as a result of his injury, not any problem with his play. The “I’m looking at you” bit was a little odd in that context, but that’s how I read it.
by Hooper on Nov 6, 2008 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
A bit odd, but meant positively, I think.
Go Vols!
by Joel on Nov 7, 2008 6:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Didn’t know that comment would arouse such… emotion.
When I said “I’m looking at you Inky Johnson” , I said it with a tear in my eye. I absolutley meant that his injury was the cause of a TERRIBLE, HEARTBREAKING loss for us.
That young man had TONS of potential and it breaks my heart that “we hardly knew ye”.
Let’s get one thing VERY straight right now. You will NEVER see me talking trash about a man that gave his career to us. Who continues to give it to us.
I love Inky Johnson and I miss him like Hell. God bless him and EVERY player who’s been injured to any degree giving his all for Tennessee.
That’s all I feel like saying.
Excuse me... waiter? Yeah, uh... where's that Wishbone I ordered? Is it ready yet?
by XRayVol on Nov 8, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My mistake
I’ve never heard “I’m looking at you” aimed at someone for something positive. Sorry about that.
by wvvol on Nov 8, 2008 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fulmer is a legend
but this is a business. I am a Fulmer guy to the core, but the man walked away with $6mm. He isn’t hurting and he can probably coach somewhere else next year unless it’s banned in his buyout clause. When Coach decided to make a business decision and threaten to leave, his bluff paid off and Coach Majors was replaced. It wasn’t the most honorable thing to do, but it was good business. Remember the man as a true Tennessee Vol and the greatest man since the General, but don’t set him up as some saint. Cheer him on for the next 3, hopefully 4, games and hope he goes out with his head held high.
by ChattVol on Nov 7, 2008 12:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
with most of that, but I really think money and emotions are two different things. You didn’t see Fulmer skipping out the door on the way to the bank. He was fighting back tears. The money is part of the business, and it’s what the university owes him as part of the deal that was struck going in. $6M is a lot of money and will make his life easier. It doesn’t make getting fired (essentially being told you’re a failure) much easier.
Go Vols!
by Joel on Nov 7, 2008 6:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
preventing technical difficulties is the definition of good coaching
XRayVol’s basic premise is that this year’s offense was bound to suck because a new system was installed. I have a different take on the situation.
Our offense doesn’t suck because of a new system, it sucks because of bad execution. These things that you refer to as “technical difficulties” — botched handoffs; false starts; general debacles; etc. — are not an inherent and unavoidable consequence of a new system. The much simpler explanation is that “technical difficulties” are a direct consequence of poor coaching. I don’t believe I’m going out on a limb with the following statement: A fundamental component of good coaching is running practices in a manner that ensures that proper execution becomes habit. Details. Repetition. Rinse, lather, repeat. This is what good coaches do. How fany false starts did we have last year when Cutcliffe was OC? Zero. None. And don’t take my word for it — look it up.
This offense is bad — not because of a new scheme — but because it is sloppy. And it is sloppy because it is poorly coached. The 2005 offense was also bad because it was sloppy. And it was sloppy because it was poorly coached. In 2005 the OC was different than the OC in 2008. Mr. Fulmer, however, was around for both seasons. Draw your own conclusions.
Here are mine: Mr. Fulmer had an excellent run. Mr. Hamilton made the correct decision.
by kidbourbon on Nov 7, 2008 1:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Clawson may have made the same mistake as Sanders
I think that Sanders was so worried about the criticism about his play-calling that he focused on it perhaps to the exclusion of drilling his players full of discipline and fundamentals. Clawson may have been so focused on getting his system installed that he did the same thing.
One thing I noticed while watching the Perfection DVD was that there were several stories about how Cutcliffe really ripped into somebody. He gave the entire team a half-hour long, red-faced tongue-lashing before some key game because he thought they weren’t focused. He also, according to Fulmer, gave Tee Martin one of the best butt-chewings Fulmer had ever seen at halftime of one of the games.
System and play-calling is important, but it can’t be focused on to the exclusion of player discipline and coaching the players not only to run the right plays but to run them well on both a micro and macro level. It may be simply a matter that Cutcliffe was a guy who could focus on all of it at once.
Go Vols!
by Joel on Nov 7, 2008 6:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been curious about this
I did see short clips of David Cutcliffe running practice two springs ago, and Dave Clawson running a spring practice this year (on the Sportsouth show that I’m forgetting the name of now).
In that short glimpse, Cutcliffe seemed much more intense. But, it was only a small glimpse, and who knows how people react to cameras being there.
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
by rustytanton on Nov 7, 2008 7:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen lots of clips of Cutcliffe
and in those videos he’s saying things like. “We are going to do every little thing, and we’re going to do it right. We are going to pay attention to detail and we’re going to work until we get it right. If you’re not going to work to get the little things right, then you don’t need to be out here.”
I think his details-oriented approach probably had an effect on the entire team. I have to agree completely with kidbourbon. Making sure players execute is what coaches are there for.
by Colonel Corn on Nov 7, 2008 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fulmer...
Well, I can say this dating back to when he was hired…I never was a Fulmer guy and I’ve always been the type that firmly believes you DO NOT under any circumstances hire from within “THE FAMILY” when it comes to running a football program.
You wouldn’t allow your uncle to run your business and A.D.‘s should not hire former players to run the program, PERIOD. Despite his success in the 90’s, and let’s be honest, that’s the limit of his success, the 90’s. He’s been average at best since the clock struck 2000 and has been going south ever since…
I’m not typing this to bash Fulmer, he’s tried his best to make the program a success even though he’s not the best coach on sooo many levels. IMO his success stemmed completely from having a good staff in place during the early 90’s and above all, along with Florida, the Vols had the most talent in the entire SEC. During the Manning years, Fulmer took all the credit as the Vols went 45-5 during Manning’s span…But couldn’t one argue that with more talent during those years than on the team that actually won it all, wouldn’t a great coach have gotten the most out of his players and been able to coach his way to a Nat’l Title during Manning’s years? There’s no question they had more talent, No?
I’ll give Fulmer his due, he does have the ability (although like many other coaches) to win with alot of talent on the field. Without the talent, his inabilty to win games speaks for itself, as the talent at U.T. erroded after 2001 by leaps and bounds..Our recruiting classes were not near as strong as prior years, which in the end made it more difficult to win, no question about that….
But great coaches find a way…I’ve always said U.T. back in the 90’s is alot like USC today. How many coaches in the NCAA ranks could put up great years with USC? I’d say many, dozens, if not more…Yet Pete Carroll is the coach and therefore, takes all the credit…Does that mean he’s a better coach than others? No. Not to me…He’s reaping the benefits of alot of factors, like recruiting, where the trend with young people is leaning towards many of the best players signing with schools with warmer climates, like Florida, Texas, USC, and others…
Didn’t mean to get off track, but my point on Fulmer is that you must put emotion aside. Look at it from someone who doesn’t follow the program and has no interest. I’d argue Fulmer should have never been hired as coach, should have filled in for the remainder of the season as interim until another coach should be hired. How many former offensive line players are there in the NCAA as coaches? Not many…Fulmer has gotten more than his fair share of raises, he’s been kept on as coach when many elite programs would have fired him at least a few years prior, so IMO it’s very good riddance if you ask me…He’s made alot of money and served as coach for many years…Thanks for the 90’s coach.
by UTFAN47 on Nov 11, 2008 4:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you must put emotion aside
Hence the need for an AD. Like him or not, his main job is to make the necessary call, no matter the emotion. It’s a job I couldn’t do, so I’m very slow to criticize.
by Hooper on Nov 11, 2008 6:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
(meant as a reply to UTFAN47 immediately above)
by Hooper on Nov 11, 2008 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hooper
I don’t think this was that hard a call at all…Maybe as a fan it would have been…But as a business, which that’s what the program is, a business, this was as easy a decision behind the scenes as you’ll get…When you have donors publically stating if he’s not fired they will stop contributing, in a down economy, that’s exactly what this was, an easy decision…The hard part is hiring the next guy..I just hope they give Lane Kiffin a good look…If he’d be committed long-term, which that would be my only concern, I think he’s the perfect fit here…
by UTFAN47 on Nov 12, 2008 7:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was meaning that more in a general sense.
The difficulty of this decision is debatable by those who want to, but I’m not touching it. But, generically speaking, ADs are there for that reason.
I do agree, however, that the hire will be hard. Firing Fulmer won’t put Hamilton’s job at risk; hiring a dud will.
by Hooper on Nov 12, 2008 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure...
It will be a big signing but I’m really not too worried about it…Most all of the coaches on their list will be an upgrade compared to the last 7 years. No question in my mind at least…
I would love nothing more personally than to see a coach come in looking to open up the offense. I personally love the spread, as you can see it on full-display in the big 12 every week. It’s exactly what Urban Meyer has delivered at Florida, and the SEC teams simply have no answer for it. It’s also the main reason you are seeing Alabama get no repect from many experts, because most feel Florida will crush them, and they also feel strongly that about every team in the Big 12 South would beat them as well.
The traditional minded coaches are not going to survive in this new era of football. It really did hurt Fulmer, for no other reason that traditional style offenses just cannot score as many points as the spread (if ran properly) can put up on a weekly basis..Now you must have talent, which means you must recruit well, which is why I’d love to see a younger coach hired..Younger many under 50 years of age…I’ve heard the name Butch Davis from NC, and of all the coaches they could hire, I would dislike him the most…I want to see someone younger with energy and desire to hit the recruiting trail and bring in some talent.
I personally feel younger players have an easier time relating to younger coaches, and make no mistake about it, the next coach had better be able to recruit..If you don’t believe me, just look at the names of the coaches surrounding our own state now. Saban, Richt, Meyer, Spurrier, etc…Not to mention the fact that the SEC stands a good chance (aside from Florida) from losing good talent on offense to USC and the Big 12 schools…Kids want to sign with teams that can generate points…They love the spread…They love excitement…Let’s be honest, all in all the SEC has struck out this year….For one, aside from Bama and Florida, just not that impressive..Alabama has the worst strength of schedule of any team in the top 10…and no one (including me) feels they stand a chance of beating Florida in the SEC Championship…And what I hope to see, is a bunch of SEC schools paired up at the end of the day with these Big 12 schools, because I think this year they will be in for a rude awakening…
by UTFAN47 on Nov 12, 2008 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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