Friday Curveball
The Athletic Department has been absolutely silent about this process thus far hiding behind the shroud of "Let's just take this time to honor Phillip Fulmer."
Give. Me. A. Flipping. Break.
I'm sure Mike Hamilton is closely monitoring and working diligently with the staff in making the preparations to send off Coach in style. And if you believe that, I've got a great investment opportunity I need to talk with you about.
I'm sure Mike and Co. are going crazy right now trying to clandestinely contact respective candidates, who by the way are in the middle of a season, trying to gauge interest for this job. And if they can't, because of it being inappropriate, get a hold of the coach, I'm sure they are having interesting talks with certain agents who may or may not represent said coaches.
Having said all that, I've casually watched the RTT Coaching Survey and I've got to say it. I'm not that thrilled about a lot of the prospects we have looked. I like some but not most, and with all the others it's just too much of a long shot. So here's my long winded spiel. And if you stay untill the end I'll throw a curveball that I haven't heard anyone talk about yet.
I'll start with the RTT coaching search.
1. Bill Cowher: You got to want to coach these days. And I'm not sure that someone who leaves the Steelers like he did really wants to coach any more.
2. Butch Davis: Davis voiced his committment to UNC earlier this week. Don't see it happening. Understanding that Sabanesque statements cleary stating that you will never be the coach of so and so mean next to nothing these days, I have no reason, as of yet, to doubt Davis.
3. Jim Grobe: Absolutley not. No WAY. No HOW. Since he came to Wake Forest in 2001, he is 51-42. What in TARNATION leads anyone to believe that this body of work, preceded by a lukewarm 33-33-1 mark at Ohio State University, is worthy of being the change that Big Orange fans have been raving on about. Listen, a certain Coach that went 66-33 since 2001 is getting pushed out of his job because the production was not there. Why would we replace that man with someone who is still south of that type of unacceptable production? We make changes to improve things. I don't see this choice as an improvement.
4. Jon Gruden: I love funny faces. Really I do. And maybe he would be a great choice to coach Tennessee. Woody Paige said so on Around the Horn. But consider that he is coaching a team one game back from the division leader. One game. Consider that until his season ends, barring some crazy Petrino-like meltdown, Gruden is out of play. And at the very latest that season could end on February 1st, 2009, which, if memory serves me correctly, is quite close to National Signing Day. So at best (if you are a fan of Gruden in orange), Tampa's season ends on December 28th without a playoff appearance (ironically would that help or hurt his candidancy with the Vols?). Plenty of time to steal some last minute recruits, right? Actually, this team could go deep into the playoffs and I just don't think Tennessee is willing to write off a recruiting season just to get Gruden. The logistics, in my mind, don't lend themselves to this hire. Oh yeah, the Super Bowl is in Tampa this year. It's not like the Bucs are going to want to play for the title in their own stadium or anything.
5. Todd Graham: I don't know anything about this guy other than he has done some nice things with Tulsa. It just bothers me that we mention one of his own coordinators in this search. So with that I seriously wonder how much of a prospect he really is.
6. Gus Malzahn: Heard he was a fabulous recruiter of Arkansas players....that played for him the previous year at his old high school coacing gig.... This story between him, Mustain, Mustain's Mom and Houston Nutt is the state capital of North Bizzarro. Do the Vols really want any part of that hoopla?
7. Gary Pinkel: Has connections to Washington, who is also looking, and frankly has a good thing going at Mizzou thank you very much.
8. Kyle Whittingham: Heck why not. Florida did it to Utah. Let's do it! Let's hire Urban Meyer v1.2.1 Beta!!
9. Skip Holtz: Had some big wins early. I just don't get warm and fuzzy with this guy. Maybe its because his Dad really, really, really hates Tennessee.
10. Brian Kelly: After stints at Grand Valley State, Central Michigan, and Cincinatti, Kelly has a 147-54-2 record as Head Coach. Does that record look familiar to anyone? Again, we need change but we need change that improves us. Is one 10-3 season at Cincinatti and a current 2 loss record for this season really enough to blow our collective orange socks off??
11. Gary Patterson: I heard there was a opening at Kansas State where Patterson played his college ball. Oh Crap.
12. Chris Peterson: Actually I love this guy. But not because I follow Boise State. But because he had the testicular fortitude to run a Hook and Ladder and a Statue of Liberty play in ONE GAME! Against Bob Stoops! Either he has great gigantic big ones or he is insane. Either way it would be fun to see him in Knoxville. On the other hand, Boise State's formerly highly regarded coach is not doing spectacular things at Colorado. So I'm not sure where this leaves us.
13. Lane Kiffin: Touched by Al Davis. Dustin Hoffman and a boatload of rhesus monkeys are working to see whether Kiffin has been infected by Davis' bat crap crazy virus.
14. Mike Leach: I love that he is a Pirate. I love that he has run Texas Tech into a #2 ranking. I love that probably has some strong recruiting ties to Texas. But, in your heart of hearts, do you see this guy coming to Knoxville? I'd love to see it. It would be a huge steal. But, it just might be the orange version of Operation Market Garden.
15. Will Muschamp: Another guy I would love to see in Knoxpatch. But I had a conversation with a friend of mine who is a Texas fan out of our own RTT mold. And he said something pretty interesting me. Basically he said that Muschamp is a great defensive coach with a lot of intensity. However, he said that Texas has seen a lot of great defensive coordinators a la Gene Chizik. And then he said something that shamed me because it was 100% true. He said, "Would Paris Hilton be anything without her night visioned escapades? If Muschamp hadn't been caught on youtube saying BOOM MATHA EFFER to Arkansas and hadn't been photographed bleeding out of his ear earlier this year, would he really be that big of a coaching prospect?" Tough to say, but I had to admit that he made a good point.
16. Steve Sarkisian: Maybe. Hard to say. Can't go wrong with his coaching upbringing with BYU and USC. Recruiting ties to California interest me as long as it doesn't result in any more seniors who like to speak Pterodactyl in their free moments.
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Which brings me to another prospect who I am warming up to. I think there is one candidate a lot closer to home that may deserve a chance at a head coaching job. Maybe he's not the right guy for Tennessee but he definitely deserves a shot somewhere. Regardless I hope UT at least talks to him. And that man is....
Charlie Strong.
Fantastic Defensive Coach. Fantastic recruiter that can pipeline recruits from Florida/Georgia and other SEC talent hotbeds. Led the 2006 defense that absolutely crushed Ohio State and actually made me feel kind of sorry for Troy Smith and the Buckeyes.
I don't know if he would ever actually consider coming to Tennessee given his history with South Carolina and Florida. Regardless, if it's new blood we are looking for, I think stealing a top assistant from a bitter enemy would definitely be an interesting selection.
Do I really think he has a shot to be at Tennessee? I don't know. Probably not. But I'd rather go with Charlie Strong over more than half the names we have looked at so far.
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I like it
I’ve actually thought about him and thought I mentioned him somewhere in the mess of the last week or so, but I could be wrong about that. I don’t know that much about him except that he’s basically shut down our running game for years and that Orson of Every Day Should Be Saturday said last year that somebody needed to give this guy a shot at a head coaching position.
Go Vols!
by Joel on Nov 7, 2008 12:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Whoops, sorry about that. I was going off the surveys we did. But I am definitely warming up to the idea of Strong.
Someday we'll look back on this and plow into a parked car.
by MeytonPanning on Nov 7, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot of names not in the surveys that could be viable.
I went with the ones I had heard the most, so I’m not surprised to hear that a few very good candidates weren’t in there. Nor am I surprised that some not-so-good ones were included. It’s entirely possible that the final guy wasn’t even in the survey. Fortunately, that doesn’t bother me in the least, as I compiled them more based on discussion than on my own thoughts.
by Hooper on Nov 7, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn’t a dig on you, hoop. Just seemed like the easiest list to respond to. And I think I sounded a little more harsh than I intended to towards some of the candidates. It’s just that on some of these guys, I’d feel bad for Coach, if we made the move and then made what could be considered a downward or lateral move. Take Grobe for instance. He’s only a year younger than Fulmer and I just don’t think it would be right to call a hire like that “injecting new blood.”
Someday we'll look back on this and plow into a parked car.
by MeytonPanning on Nov 7, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know. I didn’t take it as a dig. But it’s worth explaining where I got those names anyhow.
You’re right, too. If we’re trying to move to Tennessee’s “next generation”, some of these names are real head-scratchers.
by Hooper on Nov 7, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
And I’m not positive that I mentioned Charlie Strong anywhere except inside my feeble brain. Shoot, it could have been something as simple as seeing him on the t.v. on Saturday and thinking, “Hey, what about him?” which I’m saying a lot these days. I think I even said it to myself at Kroger’s earlier this week. Excuse me, at the Kroger.
Go Vols!
by Joel on Nov 7, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Peterson
If we do get Chris are we going to paint the whole field ORANGE !!
Phil,GO VOLS !!!
by bulldurham on Nov 7, 2008 1:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Trooper Taylor
I hear Oklahoma State’s offense is doing pretty good this year. :)
I’m only half-joking with this suggestion.
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
by rustytanton on Nov 7, 2008 1:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
While we're at it,
I’d be very interested if anybody could clarify exactly what it is that Taylor is doing at OSU. I know he shares the OC title, but I don’t have a reliable handle on the delegation of duties between him and the guy who was already there.
by Hooper on Nov 7, 2008 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have a buddy who is from Stillwater and a big fan. He says that Mike Gundy does all the playcalling. So I’m not sure what Taylor and the other offensive coordinator do in game aside from adjustments and what not.
Someday we'll look back on this and plow into a parked car.
by MeytonPanning on Nov 7, 2008 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
INTERESTING VIEWS
I THINK HAMMY WILL GET THIS ONE RIGHT, HE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB SO FAR
by BigOrangenMO on Nov 7, 2008 1:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
PHIL should pick
All good analyses…..
but let’s got togather, say ggodbye to Mike….
HIre Phil as our AD and let him pick his successor.
He would do it with class and smarts.
by VA VOL on Nov 7, 2008 1:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
“Dustin Hoffman and a boatload of rhesus monkeys are working to see whether Kiffin has been infected by Davis’ bat crap crazy virus.”
Funniest Line of the Year nominee!!!
by Tech92 on Nov 7, 2008 2:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nasty!
I hate the idea. But then again, I naturally would.
Really not sure why Charlie Strong’s name doesn’t come up more often. He’s a great coach.
Orange and Blue Hue: The World through GATOR-colored Glasses -- http://www.orangeandbluehue.com
by Gatorpilot on Nov 7, 2008 2:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You're supposed to say
“Charlie Strong is a .. err .. horrible coach. Really. Don’t even bother talking to him. Just ignore him because he’s horrible. Uh, we’re doing the Football world a favor by, er, imprisoning him here in Gainesville. So, uh, yeah, keep looking!”
by bobo_the_vol on Nov 7, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guess it falls to me to defend Kelly, huh?
First off, your points with him are valid. I was hoping to dig through his coaching records and find some evidence of how he was able to turn around teams in a short period of time, but the only place he’s done that so far is CMU. At Grand Valley State, he maintained the success of Tom Beck, who had led GVSU to some intermittent success right before he retired (?). I was hoping to find some evidence that GVSU had been the sacrificial lambs for some 1-A team, but aside from a couple of losses to Indiana, I couldn’t find anything. Still, his three-year stretch of 41-2 before he left for CMU is pretty impressive by any stretch.
But it’s the CMU time period that stands out to me. He came in after they went through a 12-34 stretch from 2000-2003, and while his overall record of 20-14 at CMU isn’t that impressive, look at the breakdown – 4-7, 6-5, 10-3. (That includes losses to Penn State, Michigan, and a few other higher-quality programs that struggling mid-majors have to play for money games.) It’s the improvement in such a short time period that I find interesting, and intriguing. I’m also pretty sure he brought LeFevour into the fold there, who’s at worst been CMU’s best recruit in a decade.
As for Cincinnati, he’s at worst maintained the level set by Mark Dantonio, and currently has the best winning percentage at Cincinnati by any coach since Sal Gillam (and he’s damn close to him – by the way, Gillman left Cincy in ‘54). So far he’s 16-5 at Cincy, which …well, isn’t too bad.
Is that higher quality than Fulmer’s tenure? Not when you look at each of their entire bodies of work, no. But part of the reason I’m backing Kelly as much as I am is that he seems to be getting better at making teams better. He hasn’t had an opportunity to use the resources he’d have at Tennessee (and yes, he hasn’t faced the type of scrutiny either).
More than anything – and this is the real reason I’ve been backing him – he strikes me as the most successful candidate who’d be most likely to actually want the job. I really wonder if we’re overestimating the quality of the opening – yes, it’s a program with a long and storied history …. with declining on-field performance, declining off-field discipline, a fickle-as-[heck] fanbase, in a challenging and difficult conference where arguably your new three biggest rivals have more cash, better facilities, and more hype than you’ll have. Why would half the coaches on that list come here?
(Wow, this was way longer than I intended. Should I break this out as a separate post?)
by Graysnail on Nov 7, 2008 5:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Guess I'm not the only one
who isn’t wowed by the current list of prospective coaches that is making the rounds. I don’t know if any of them are going to be better than Fulmer. But I admit that the nomination of Charlie Strong is a good idea, and it represents the kind of thinking that we need on this subject. At a minimum, he needs to be investigated as a candidate.
by Colonel Corn on Nov 7, 2008 7:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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