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Talking points: the Lane Kiffin era at Tennessee begins today

Quickly this morning because my alarm didn't go off when it was supposed to . . .

  • So we've given a Final Tribute to The Papa and Drawn the Curtain on His Final Act as a Tennessee Volunteer. If you missed the Phillip Fulmer show this weekend, find a replay this week and do not miss it. Fantastic stuff the entire hour. Ever wonder what the story is with that guy in the leg braces who runs out after every kickoff to get the tee? Watch the show and find out. It's a terrific story and yet another insight into the Phillip Fulmer we never knew.
  • So it's on to the future, but not just yet because I heard Jimmy Hyams say Sunday morning that UT had in fact talked to Mike Leach by phone about replacing Phillip Fulmer. Reportedly, Leach wanted to wait until after the Baylor game (this past weekend) to do a full interview. Tennessee didn't want to wait. If that's true, and if that's the only factor, then shame on them. Regarding Brian Kelly, he was apparently pushing for the job early until it looked like Notre Dame might come open, so Tennessee backed off at that point.
  • So now it's on to the future . . . Lane Kiffin's our next coach, and we'll get our first look at him in orange this afternoon at 2:00. Who's he bringing with him? ESPN says his father Monte, defensive coordinator with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers is coming, but Mr. SEC says it's not a done deal. Wouldn't it seem weird, though, that he'd give up $2M per year in the pros to go to the same position in college for much less money? But hey, whatever the reason, the architect of the Tampa 2 would be great. I guess, I mean, I'd sorta need to figure out exactly what the Tampa 2 is before I say that, huh? Hey, if a defensive scheme has its own nickname, it must be  . . . never mind. Question: what happened to the Tampa 1? Is 2 an upgrade, and if so, is it like a Microsoft upgrade? If so, how do I set up Automatic Updates for necessary patches?
  • Aaannd . . . folks are talking like Ed Orgeron is coming, too, for recruiting. Yaw, yaw, yaw, but huh? Why would he leave a job as a position coach for the NFL to become a recruiting coordinator in college? If Monte's really the DC, where's that leave Ed? Notice how your impression of Oregeron changes completely when you call him Ed. Anyway, questions, questions, questions.
  • And finally, so . . . coach Kiffin and Company, welcome to Rocky Top! You've already done the dirty work, releasing most of the current staff, and had the requisite team meeting. After you get your staff filled out, Job One is this: RECRUIT ERIC BERRY. This guy is your team leader next year. He will follow you because you're his coach and he's that kind of guy, but the degree to which he is sold out for you will be mirrored by the remainder of the team. Job Two: shore up our recruiting class for this year.

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Add to that the Leach paragraph.

Not wanting to let a guy focus solely on coaching his team for the final regular season game? That’s what he’s supposed to do. If that is indeed true, then Tennessee’s athletic department has more arrogance than I first thought – especially because Tech is top 10 and had an outside shot at the NC game at that point.

It’s an issue that’s totally independent of the Kiffin hire. But if Leach wasn’t considered simply because UT thought they could override Leach’s itinerary for team’s final week of practice, any success of the Kiffin hire will come in spite of the department’s hubris. (For the record, you could substitute any coach’s name in this comment. It’s the process I worry about here, not the fact that it was Leach.)

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm recalling what I wrote on the original Kiffin thread.

And I’m having an issue seeing because my eyes are now bleeding.

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Why????

Is everybody so hung up on Leach? The guy is a nobody with 2 good years over his career. He does not and will never compare to Lane Kiffin!! Get over it! The Kiffin era starts today. Get on board now, or join the bandwaggon fans next season. Come on guys support your school for not making a knee jerk decision and going with a freakin spread offense that will not work at UT!!!!!!

Someone once said "Vince Young bleeds two toned blue!" But I disagree, because The Great One Doesnt Bleed!!

by Vincanity on Dec 1, 2008 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Leach is entertaining. If there was one thing missing from UT this year, that was it.

As for me, I don’t have a problem with the Kiffin hire at all. I was just meaning to say that (assuming the assertion about Leach’s potential candidacy was true) disregarding a potential candidate because they’re still coaching is nonsensical.

There are a lot of reasons to have wanted Leach, and there are a lot of reasons against him. Either way, we have a coach and the future is now. Everything we say will be in that context, but it’s still fair game for discussion.

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

winning is entertaining

we will see how one of these high flying, no defense big 12 teams does against florida or alabama. my guess is not good. the sec’s bcs reps have a knack for taking the pants off of supposedly explosive offenses who simply don’t play anybody on defense. it takes a lot more to win in the sec.

by hal41605 on Dec 1, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Father and son's

As Mr. Spoke would say “It’s only logical to assume that Lane’s dad would want to be with his son in his final day’s of coaching” . Almost like a semi-sorta-but not really retirement . There is only so much money and fame you can get ( wish I had at least one of those problems ) but mentoring your own son is priceless.

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on Dec 1, 2008 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

Very true.

There’s also the potential problem of hiring a guy who’s planning out his retirement. The nice thing about Lane is that he has something to prove. The risk with Monte is that he has nothing left to prove. Nobody will ever doubt his genius as a D-coordinator, but it might be tempting to throttle things back just a bit, relax a little and run the defense on cruise control.

I’m not asserting that he will do that – let’s give the guy a chance, at least – but it’s a possibility we may have to at least watch for.

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Let's not assume we have him

I almost expect this entire thing to go toes-up with respect to the coordinators, so I’m not even sold we have Monte. That being said, my Bucs’ heart would love that. The prospect of Eric Berry in Monte’s schemes makes me nearly giddy with excitement.

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Monte would probably be a fantastic D-coordinator.

And while he’s not official, the recent moves seem to suggest to me that he’ll get hired. First, Lane appears to have a lot of potential but doesn’t have a resume that sells itself to a skeptical and apathetic fanbase; he’s most likely a package hire, which most likely implies his father coming along with him. Second, we hired Kiffin at a relatively low salary. Since we also don’t have to buy him out of an existing contract, there is extra room to pay more for coordinators than would have existed with other coaches. Third, releasing the entire defensive staff so quickly suggests that Kiffin has his staff (or at least the coordinator) pretty well lined up. If not, then it wouldn’t have hurt to wait a few days like he’s doing with some of the offensive staff.

And again, that’s the just evidence suggesting that Monte is most likely. Naturally, nothing is certain until it’s made official, and all comments I make are in that context.

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

That reminds me:

Coming from a pro-ish background, think there’s a shot of Clawsen staying on? West Coast Mystery offense and all that.

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Ehhhhh.

I’m not totally sold on that, but that’s neither here nor there.

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Clawson will recover.

A WCO never gets installed in college within one year, so he will eventually be given benefit of the doubt on that one. But his release makes sense beyond this season’s performance; his offense and Kiffin’s offense are two different beasts – at least different enough that keeping both of them around doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Kiffin will run his own offense, not Clawson’s.

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, in essence the problem we had this season was attempting to run two different offenses

But I’ll expand on that later. His release does make sense, but serving him up well-roasted on a spit for the offensive troubles this season does nobody any favors.

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

it was an offense that was so many different things that it was nothing

west coast + 2 TE running formations + a semi spread look leaves you with no identity on offense whatsoever. no wonder nobody knew what was going on. tough enough to learn the WCO straight up, much less some crazy mutt version

by hal41605 on Dec 1, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Clawson

Sucks and cost Fulmer his job! He should have been gone after the FLA game!

Someone once said "Vince Young bleeds two toned blue!" But I disagree, because The Great One Doesnt Bleed!!

by Vincanity on Dec 1, 2008 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

“Someone once said "Vince Young bleeds two toned blue!” But I disagree, because The Great One Doesnt Bleed!! "

Curious signature. It’s not a Titans board, but you have my interest. What’s your take on Kerry/Young?

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Vy

is my man but Collins does not turn the ball over. That is something I can not say about VY. 11-1 is hard to argue with what do u think?

Someone once said "Vince Young bleeds two toned blue!" But I disagree, because The Great One Doesnt Bleed!!

by Vincanity on Dec 1, 2008 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the Titans have to be the favorite from the AFC.

I’m not originally from around here, but I’ve always had a lot of respect for Fisher. He’s a class guy.

The titans are built for the winter, which will be a terrific help in the playoffs. You have to like their chances.

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Something else to fantasize about:

If hiring Lane was so desirable because of the ability to pay more for the D-coordinator, does that not also apply to the O-coordinator?

Is there a chance we hire some highly-touted coordinator guy for an exorbitant sum as well?

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

Who that be ?

NEW TOPIC : Who will be the next OC at TN under the Dbl Lane show ?

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on Dec 1, 2008 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm guessing no.

My thoughts are that Lane himself will call the plays with his brother-in-law, David Reaves, getting the official title. Kiffin is run heavy with no desire to have a featured back. As passing goes, he protected Russell his first year. With our current talent at QB, expect the same. As far as D-Coordinators, my gut is telling me Monte won’t show. Coach O isn’t going to turn down NFL bank to be a recruiting coordinator unless he gets paid. I can’t imagine a D Line coach getting similar money. I’m thinking YAW YAW YAW Football is going to be the guy. I just hope if he does come on board, he keeps his recruiting clean.

Looks like we’re going to have the guys in place to recruit the talent. What it looks like when it gets here will be interesting.

by ChattVol on Dec 1, 2008 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Good call here

Reaves coming over from South Carolina, although I think I was the last person to find out about it.

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Listening to the WNML station online

Last caller said that players disliked Reaves and that he had no business in Knoxville. I don’t know anything about the guy.

by ChattVol on Dec 1, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

more fantasyland dreams

maybe…perhaps… a….a special teams coach? (fingers crossed.)

whoshotwhointhewhatnow?

by thetennesseethumper on Dec 2, 2008 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

All I've heard about that is pure rumor.

The rumors I’ve heard point to him hiring one, but don’t hold me accountable if he doesn’t, because I don’t know.

However, given how perfectionist he appears to be about everything else, I can’t imagine he’s going to let special teams be an afterthought.

by David Hooper on Dec 2, 2008 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Lane and Monte

Lane wasn’t my first choice, but he is young and probably pissed off at this point so he will come in with something to prove.

The idea of Monte coming here makes me tingly all over. Being born and raised in the Tampa area, I have seen Monte do some serious damage on defense with guys you never heard of. #14 in his system for 2 years (please please please) could be sick.

Do you think Lane will be calling the plays on O? Any rumors in the wind about who could be the OC?

by coopnjaxdad on Dec 1, 2008 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

These ace recruiters

Need to get to work on finding us a new punter, place kicker, and field goal kicker. Or at the very least a coach who can improve the ones we’ve got.

by rblakeh on Dec 1, 2008 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

A special teams coach is rumored to be imminent with Kiffin.

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow

That’s a bonus. Reckon they’ll work like heck to get it done right?

by ChattVol on Dec 1, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

NEWS ALERT !!!!!

By a well know source inside the North Pole News it is rumored that Santa Claus will be releast of his duties as of Dec. 26. They are in talks with some guy called Chris who is younger but has yet to prove himself. This is just rumor at this point.

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on Dec 1, 2008 10:28 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

"released"

still funny though.

" Whatcha got ain't nothin new. This country's hard on people, you can't stop what's coming, it ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 1, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

dang it !

wus spelling from e-bonics

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on Dec 1, 2008 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian Kelly

Is also a jobber who has had two good years and that is it. Does he have a Lendale White, Reggie Bush, or Matt Lienart type recruit under his belt???? Didnt think so! Can he even spell BCS?

Someone once said "Vince Young bleeds two toned blue!" But I disagree, because The Great One Doesnt Bleed!!

by Vincanity on Dec 1, 2008 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

Dan LeFevour.

What else you got?

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Truth

is that he has proven nothing! Do you want a guy with Orange Bowl experience or a guy who has 4 National Title games under his belt? If we wanted average we should have stuck with Phil!

Someone once said "Vince Young bleeds two toned blue!" But I disagree, because The Great One Doesnt Bleed!!

by Vincanity on Dec 1, 2008 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

!

Won two lost two total of 4!

Someone once said "Vince Young bleeds two toned blue!" But I disagree, because The Great One Doesnt Bleed!!

by Vincanity on Dec 1, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

In division 2! A lot of good competition there huh????

Someone once said "Vince Young bleeds two toned blue!" But I disagree, because The Great One Doesnt Bleed!!

by Vincanity on Dec 1, 2008 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd imagine so

Actually, I’d imagine the competition is more evenly balanced in D-II than it is in D-I, since they can’t offer athletic scholarships at that level (I don’t think). Hard to say a USC is on the same playing field as a FIU – or even, really, a Washington State, much less a Utah State. It’s not the level of competition you’re after, it’s the talent level.

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Charlie Weis was the "proven guy" route as well.

Things don’t always work out. Like I’ve said before, I have no problem with the hire. but it is indeed a healthy thing to be a little skeptical at the moment.

you learn a lot more by asking questions.

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You

can find gems like that all day if you look hard enough. I am just saying that the safe bet is Kiffin!

Someone once said "Vince Young bleeds two toned blue!" But I disagree, because The Great One Doesnt Bleed!!

by Vincanity on Dec 1, 2008 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

He could be.

I don’t think anybody’s necessarily arguing against him. It’s just hard to be concrete with him, so we’re not exactly sure how to react.

There’s lots of time, though. Wait two weeks, and you’ll probably find out that the attitudes are far more settled and far warmer.

(It’s the same reason for the cooling-off period for handguns. Emotions of the moment are tricky things.)

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Thats a great connection !

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on Dec 1, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Kiffin was associated with USC

His contribution to the team’s success is up for debate, I think. He may have been one of the biggest reasons for the success. But if all he did was recruit to a school that essentially recruits by just being there and be a non-play calling co-offensive coordinator, then I think that’s reason to be skeptical.

I, like you, though, think that we need to get behind the guy because he is our new coach. I hope he squashes all of the legitimate skepticism quickly.

Go Vols!

by Joel Hollingsworth on Dec 1, 2008 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

There’s no reason we can’t all be drinking the Kiffin-ade before the O&W game. We just need something to hang our opinions on.

But I’m behind him 100% right now.

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool-Aid

I’ve got the mix together but waiting to add the water !

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on Dec 1, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

USC's success is worth a book in itself

The fact that they kept winning after Kiffin left …tells us nothing, really. But it’s a fascinating study.

I have no problem with Kiffin the coach; what I don’t understand yet is Kiffin the hire, if that makes sense.

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

As to say

if Kiffin were still a candidate for the job but Kelly’s name was still on the table can or way ?

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on Dec 1, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Mostly, but not totally.

It seemed like UT wanted someone in place as soon as the year was over; I posted back in the original Kiffin hire thread that if they thought Kiffin was the best choice period, I’d be perfectly okay with it. However, the early returns make it look like Kiffin was the best hire within their time period, which is why I’m not the happiest person over this. Not a knock on Kiffin the coach – more a knock on the process. I’d much rather take our time and get it right than have an immediate solution. Ignoring the long-term in favor of the immediate fix scares me, and I don’t yet know if that was what happened, if that makes sense.

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh

Cincy’s BCS-bound this year, so keep ’em coming.

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just sayin

Brian Kelly was way down my list, but your “Case for Brian Kelly” post had me convinced that he would bring us a NC as soon as next year. Maybe sooner.

by rblakeh on Dec 1, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Blown out of context comments at Central Michigan

brought his stock down a bit before and I’m sure it may have been a factor now. Since when does TN back down from a “recruit” because they may be interested elsewhere? I have a hunch he won’t get Notre Dame so he should be available if Kiffin’s tenure is short lived.

by ChattVol on Dec 1, 2008 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

the big least shouldn't even be a bcs conference though

not even the least worried about other coaches from that conference flopping majorly outside of it? cuz i can think of at least 3 teams right about now who would like a refund on their in investments in over-hyped big east coaches thanks to an appalling lack of quality opponents.

by hal41605 on Dec 1, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure, bad coaches in that league would flop elsewhere

I suspect Kelly, Edsall, and Schiano would be all right elsewhere, though. Everyone else I’m not as sure of.

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

nope

never will !!

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on Dec 1, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope...

…That Lane’s resume’ really reflects what HE was able to accomplish at USC. It’s really difficult to gauge how much of that success was ultimately attributable to HIM.

His recruiting and OC skills are impressive. I hope he can provide the same results here at UT. “Hooper / Joel”…How much time do you think UT will give “Kiffin & Co.” to get us an SEC Championship before they start feeling pressured? OVER / UNDER (3)

" Whatcha got ain't nothin new. This country's hard on people, you can't stop what's coming, it ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 1, 2008 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

As for the "Tampa 2"

I hope it’s more Mac than Microsoft.

" Whatcha got ain't nothin new. This country's hard on people, you can't stop what's coming, it ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity. "

by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Dec 1, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Hard to tell:

If UT shows steady improvement, good recruiting, and actual competitiveness against Florida/Alabama, he’ll get more than 3 years. Of course, under those conditions, he’ll be at least competing for the SEC in that span of time anyhow.

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW the Tampa 2 is basically a version of the Cover 2.

I believe that the main difference is that, to plug the holes left by a normal cover 2, the MLB is dropped into deep zone coverage, essentially making it a Cover 3 (this would be why Derrick Brooks was always deep in the secondary and got so many interceptions, if you watched them in their heyday). It’s a system that might actually work for us without much trouble. It relies on lots of team speed (which we already have on defense) and safeties who are good cover men and excellent hitters (um, yeah…that we got). He might have to tweak it a little bit to get it to work against college offenses. I think it was mainly designed to beat the West Coast offense, but the NFL has been gradually going away from the West Coast offense for the last several years and Tampa’s defense is still excellent, so I think we can probably adapt it.

by nirwin on Dec 1, 2008 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

That's about how I read it.

Basically, if you take the Mustang and bring the outside linebackers in close enough to defend the middle of the field (where UCLA and basically everybody burned us this last year). You place a little more trust in your secondary that way, but I think we have the secondary to be able to handle it. It also gives you the option of some fun blitz packages, including zone blitzes and blitz fakes.

True: it was designed to place defenders at the optimal timing points in the WCO. Nobody’s really run it against the spread, so that’s a question mark at the moment. But it doesn’t take a lot of adaptation (mostly some tweaks in initial alignments) to make it work against non-WCO offenses quite well.

If Monte comes, his sense of defensive tactics will be more important than the Tampa 2. He knows how to cover the strong suits of an offense, and which weaknesses are ok to risk.

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

It’s not Tampa 2 that makes Tampa Bay’s defense run; it’s their constant adjustments of it. I don’t know the details behind it (paging Smart Football, please report to RTT).

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

that this offseason, we should all make an effort to understand the future team better. Once we know who all the coordinators are, it shouldn’t be too difficult to track down the answers to these questions.

Unlike the Clawfense, it’d be nice to have an idea what to expect.

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It shouldn't be too hard, no.

But expect many, many snide remarks about dropping a pro-style offense to go with a pro-style offense.

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Not so sure

What we’re replacing is an attitude. America wanted a change in leadership so they elected Obama. However, his platform is to put good, experienced people around him much like Bush did. Only time will tell

Fulmer’s last days gave fans a feeling of underperformance. Kiffin may very well be the same offense, but his youth and pedigree give hope. That’s all fans want right now. When the big recruits come calling, watch for drunken redneck women falling all over this guy….WE’RE GOING BOWLING BABY!

by ChattVol on Dec 1, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting take

I can see that, and I’m not automatically slamming the hire; I’m just going to need to be convinced, probably moreso than most people. That sort of thing happens when you’re in the process of handing the Brian Kelly bandwagon to some yahoo in green and gold.

:sniff::

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I havent read this yet so i want to ask

What are yalls initial thoughts on Kiffin? Do you like him? Do you think he’s a good hire? Im hearing positive thoughts about who he might hire as coordinators but nothing on him as a coach. Besides he did a decent job as co-offensive coordinator at USC. Hell when Saban was hired people were literally crying on their key boards. But as a fanebase we are freaks.

Just wondering.

When you are an Alabama fan you have to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because i want to.

by bammer on Dec 1, 2008 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think we know what we feel yet.

Partly, we’re still getting over the disaster that was this last season. But partly, it’s very hard to get a read on the guy. The coordinators make for fun talk, but we’ll have a better feel on that once they’re finalized.

My take is that he’ll probably work out well. You can’t gauge his actual performance as a head coach on his past, obviously, but there are a lot of indicators that he can be very successful. He works tremendously hard, he had the respect of all of the Oakland players, he runs very effective practices, he recruits hard, and he makes sound decisions on tough issues. (I agreed with Kiffin on every personnel decision that Al Davis vetoed him on – including the players that Davis now wants to get rid of!)

But we were burned once by the unknown, so I think we’ll be skeptical until we see the on-field results.

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

And thanks for swinging by.

As this offseason marches on, I’d like to know your impressions as well. You might be one of the “freaks”, but your takes on things are generally pretty solid.

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Ill do my best to come around

I have actually stayed away from RTT due to all the Fulmer talk. I was afraid i would say how i felt and get banned. Now he is gone, i don’t seem to hate UT as much. Well thats not true its till Tennessee. :)

When you are an Alabama fan you have to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because i want to.

by bammer on Dec 1, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

heh

So far as I know, nobody’s ever been banned from RTT for a difference of opinion. Profanity? Yes. Personal attacks? Yes. Selling inheritance shares from Nigeria? Yes.

Re: Fulmer. I’m pretty sure I know what your feelings are, and I know what the feelings are from most people who do post here. At this point, it’s safe to let the past be the past and just let the whole thing drop. I’m perfectly willing to focus on the soon-to-be-legendary Saban-Kiffin rivalry if everybody else is. ;-)

But outside perspectives are always welcome. If nothing else, they provide a check-and-balance on the orange-tinted glasses we all love to sport.

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

What i would have said about Fulmer

Would have gotten me banned. I also did want to rain on yalls depressing parade. No reason to pile on a already humiliated man. Well there is, just not on this site.

When you are an Alabama fan you have to hate Auburn, I hate Tennessee because i want to.

by bammer on Dec 1, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

chuckle

Well, for your restraint, I thank you very sincerely and deeply.

…did you learn those manners at the Auburn Finishing School, by any chance?

:-D

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Banning

And then only after repeated warnings.

All fans welcome, even bammers, provided they can conduct themselves with some degree of class. Which presents a challenge, I know . . .

;-)

Go Vols!

by Joel Hollingsworth on Dec 1, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

It's cool

You’ll always have Coach Fran. :)

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I suspect I'm the outlier, but:

Meh. I don’t entirely get the hire yet. I think Kiffin’s a good guy, but he was my third choice all along. What really, really scares me about Kiffin is that we’re basing a large part of his success on his coordinators. That can all go wrong in a hurry, as we figured out this year.

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You're not the outlier.

I think everybody’s a skeptic right now.

…by the way, who was above Kiffin in your list? I’ve been curious about that. ;-)

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Just

a hunch here Graysnail, but are you one of those guys who loves NCAA football and hates NFl?

Someone once said "Vince Young bleeds two toned blue!" But I disagree, because The Great One Doesnt Bleed!!

by Vincanity on Dec 1, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, I don't hate the NFL

But the reason I’m lukewarm on the NFL has nothing to do with the playcalling, schemes, or anything even remotely along those lines. I just love the atmosphere around the college game much moreso than the NFL. It’s a product of growing up around the college game and not having a close NFL team well past my formative years as a fan.

If I grew up in a NFL town, I suspect the answer would be much different.

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Just

Wondering cause all of the names of coaches you have been refering to as failures in the college ranks are former NFL coaches!

Someone once said "Vince Young bleeds two toned blue!" But I disagree, because The Great One Doesnt Bleed!!

by Vincanity on Dec 1, 2008 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

Nah

My coaching failure index is indiscriminate. :)

by Chris Pendley on Dec 1, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

Weis was my mention. and I’m a huge NFL fan. Pete Carroll was the inverse – an NFL bust who worked out well enough in NCAA. Same with Saban and (apparently) Petrino.

Really, the two require some different skill sets, and not everybody who is fantastic at one job will work out at the other. But that’s beside the point.

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, kiddos, back to work for me.

I’ll catch the presser at 2, but I’ve wasted enough time with this for a while.

Behave and play nice, now!

by David Hooper on Dec 1, 2008 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

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