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Tennessee Football Midseason Bowl Possibilities

Two things were made clear on Saturday:  first, while Florida and Alabama may not be juggernauts that dominate every SEC foe they face, they're still the two best teams in this league by far.  And second, the whole league is still vulnerable to its entire roster, as witnessed by Kentucky taking a brand new quarterback into Auburn and walking out winners 21-14.

With the exception of 2-5 Vanderbilt, the entire league is still thinking about bowl eligibility, and if Florida and Alabama hold serve and both qualify for the BCS, the league can get 10 teams into postseason play, which has never happened before.

Tennessee finds itself in the middle of the January 1 conversation at the moment, but they're joined there by more than half the league.  With half the season left to play, obviously a lot can and will change...but here's a look at some of Tennessee's postseason possibilities:

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Putting Florida and Alabama at the top and Vanderbilt and Mississippi State at the bottom, here's a look at what's ahead for the crowded middle of the SEC pack:

  • LSU (5-1):  Auburn, Tulane, at Alabama, Louisiana Tech, at Ole Miss, Arkansas
  • Auburn (5-2):  at LSU, Ole Miss, Furman, at Georgia, Alabama
  • South Carolina (5-2):  Vandy, at Tennessee, at Arkansas, Florida, Clemson
  • Ole Miss (4-2):  Arkansas, at Auburn, Northern Arizona, Tennessee, LSU, at Miss State
  • Georgia (4-3):  at Florida, Tennessee Tech, Auburn, Kentucky, at Georgia Tech
  • Arkansas (3-3):  at Ole Miss, Eastern Michigan, South Carolina, Troy, Miss State, at LSU
  • Kentucky (3-3):  LA-Monroe, Miss State, E. Kentucky, at Vandy, at Georgia, Tennessee
  • Tennessee (3-3):  at Alabama, South Carolina, Memphis, at Ole Miss, Vandy, at Kentucky

You can chase down all kinds of rabbit holes here with projected wins and losses, though I will say that it's very possible to have around five of those teams finish 7-5.  But taking a look at all of those numbers, here are the halfway-educated scenarios for Tennessee this postseason:

Best Case Scenario:  Capital One Bowl

Three things need to happen for Tennessee to get to Orlando:  Florida and Alabama both make the BCS, LSU loses at least one more game, and the Vols win out.  There's the fantasy, I'll let you spend time indulging it.

8-4 Scenarios:  Cotton, Outback, Chick-Fil-A

While there's plenty of conversation about who the third best team in the SEC is right now, if we agree to give it to LSU by default (or somehow the SEC only gets one team in the BCS, which seems like an impossibility given all the factors at this point), you've got a crowded field of six (or seven if you include Kentucky) teams competing for these three prime spots.

SEC postseason stipulations (which are from last year at the official site, so I'm going to assume they haven't changed) state that the Capital One Bowl has to take the best available team OR a team within one game of that team's record - so if LSU goes 10-2 and the next best team is 8-4, the Tigers have to go to Orlando.  From there, the Cotton gets first choice of SEC West teams, and the Outback first choice of SEC East teams.

This scenario makes it almost impossible for Tennessee to get to Dallas - the Outback Bowl would have to have a team from the East they wanted more than the Vols, and once that team was off the table the Vols would have to be more attractive than every other SEC West team.  Which is disappointing, because I think most UT fans would rather play the second best Big 12 team than the third best Big 10 team.

Tennessee is a great draw for just about any bowl this year, between the Kiffin factor and the Vols missing a bowl game last year with what should be an eager fan base.  If the season ended today, I think Tennessee would wind up in either Tampa or Atlanta.  Ultimately I think the Cotton Bowl will take Arkansas if at all possible to do so, and then it would simply be a question of whether the Outback wanted Auburn or Tennessee if the Vols beat South Carolina.  If the Vols finish 8-4, they should be able to be at the front of the conversation for these three bowls, and depending on what happens in the West will probably still be looking at the same Tampa/Atlanta scenario.

(There's also a rule that takes care of the loser of the SEC Championship Game by stating that the Capital One, Cotton and Outback have to take them if they're available on a three-year cycle.  However, if the Florida-Alabama thing holds up, the loser of the SEC Championship Game is still going to the BCS.)

7-5 Scenarios:  Outback, Chick-Fil-A, Liberty, Music City

If the Vols finish 7-5, their placement depends on the rest of the conference.  Last year a 7-5 South Carolina team made the Outback Bowl, so you never know.  If Arkansas and Ole Miss fall apart in the second half and the Capital One and Cotton Bowls take LSU and Auburn, a 7-5 Tennessee team that embarrassed Georgia could sneak into Tampa.  If one of those losses happens to be to South Carolina and the Gamecocks go to Tampa, the Vols could still fall to Atlanta.

But if the Vols finish 7-5 behind a host of 8-4 teams, the two in-state bowls would both love to have the Vols for sure.  The Liberty Bowl and Music City Bowl get the next picks after the Chick-Fil-A, with no stipulation on division.  However, according to the rules each bowl submits its pick to the conference office, and if the two bowls both want the same team - a real possibility with the Vols - then the team gets to pick where they want to go.  The Liberty Bowl draws the Conference USA Champion (most likely Houston), the Music City Bowl draws ACC #5.

6-6 Scenarios:  Liberty, Music City, Independence, PapaJohns.com

Again, depending on the rest of the league, the two in-state bowls could still be available.  The Independence Bowl in Shreveport, in the final year of their SEC contract, gets the first pick after the Liberty/Music City, and the always exciting PapaJohns.com Bowl in Birmingham gets the final choice if there's a 9th/10th SEC team eligible.

While 6-6 would be a disappointment against the schedule the Vols have left, especially after the Georgia win, keep in mind that any bowl game would be an improvement on last year.

Worst Case Scenario:  5-7 or worse

If Kentucky continues to play well with their new quarterback, that season-ending trip to Lexington can't be taken for granted, and could feature two teams playing for bowl eligibility.  The Vols aren't good enough to take anything for granted against a schedule that will send them to Tuscaloosa, Oxford and Lexington, plus send South Carolina to Knoxville.  If the Vols fail to win one of those games, they won't be going anywhere.

A January 1 destination is still on the table.  But so is this outcome.  Stay tuned.

Poll
Where do you think the Vols will be for the postseason?
Capital One Bowl
15 votes
Cotton Bowl
14 votes
Outback Bowl
41 votes
Chick-Fil-A Bowl
84 votes
Liberty Bowl
29 votes
Music City Bowl
59 votes
Independence Bowl
7 votes
PapaJohns.com Bowl
6 votes
5-7 or worse and home for the holidays
30 votes

285 votes | Poll has closed

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I think you may be a little pessimistic

First off, Capital One at 8-4 is possible. Here’s what needs to happen:

*Florida and Bama win out
*We go 5-1
*An overrated LSU loses to TWO of these three: Ole Miss, Arkansas, Auburn
*Auburn loses to ONE of: Ole Miss, LSU, Georgia

This puts us ahead of everybody except Florida and Bama in the conference standings. If LSU only loses one of those three games, Tennessee and LSU would be tied for 3rd and LSU would probably get picked. This is not the most likely scenario in the world, but it’s certainly not out in fantasy land.

Also, I have a hard time seeing a 7-5 Tennessee team falling to the Liberty. In doing so, we will have beaten (and should be ahead of) three of these four: Georgia, USC, Ole Miss, Kentucky. Say LSU, Auburn, and one of those four teams are ahead of us. We’re still in the Chick-fil-a. The only way we can fall farther is if LSU, Auburn, ARKANSAS AND one of those four are ahead of us. But this seems unlikely. I can’t see Arkansas rising without one of those other teams falling.

If we’re 6-6, I’d guess that we’re still ahead of two bowl-eligible SEC teams (at the very least, we would have beaten two bowl-eligible SEC teams). This would make the worst case scenario (apart from blowing it entirely) the two in-state bowls.

I’d say the smart money is on either Outback or Chick-fil-a. Hard to call which though. If we beat USC, I’d say Outback. If we lose to USC, I’d say we’re headed to Atlanta.

by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 18, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Ole Miss is the kicker

Most, including me, are assuming that they’re not really very good and won’t be a factor in these January 1 bowl selections. But if they finish the way everyone thought they would’ve started, they really further complicate this entire thing.

But I like your scenario – you can have all kinds of fun with projections. The best news for Tennessee is that if a bunch of teams finish 7-5, the Vols may have beaten most of them along the way (Georgia/Carolina/Kentucky).

by Will Shelton on Oct 18, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, Ole Miss improving would help us out a ton

If they take down LSU, Arkansas, and Auburn, then we’re essentially guaranteed #3 in the SEC if we beat them head to head (as well as taking care of business against USC, Vandy, and UK).

And yes, you can have lots of fun with predictions. The results of my having fun with the scenarios, in short summary:

8-4 Best case: Capital One
8-4 Worst case: Outback
8-4 Probable: Outback

7-5 Best case: Outback
7-5 Worst case: Liberty
7-5 Probable: Chick-fil-a

6-6 Best case: Liberty
6-6 Worst case: Music City
6-6 Probable: Liberty

by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 18, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Expert-ish Projections

I’ve found three websites with updated bowl projections. Here are their thoughts:

*CBSSports has us beating USC, losing to Ole Miss, and finishing 7-5 in the Chick-fil-a Bowl against Georgia Tech

*ESPN’s Schlabach has us beating Ole Miss, losing to USC, and finishing 7-5 in the Chick-fil-a Bowl against Virginia Tech

*ESPN’s Feldman has us in the Independence Bowl, which I said was off the table. He does this by assuming that we’ll only beat UK, Vandy, and Memphis, and that we’ll finish behind the entire SEC West (except MSU) and Georgia. So I guess this means he thinks Georgia will beat Florida or Georgia Tech? I don’t think he’s thought it through too well.

by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 18, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Or you could say Feldman's an idiot and a Vol hater

But you are certainly diplomatic to stop at:

I don’t think he’s thought it through too well.

by memphispete on Oct 18, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, I forgot to mention

Feldman also thinks Kentucky will fail to become bowl-eligible. This means they’ll lose to Tennessee, Georgia, and TWO of these four: Louisiana-Monroe, Mississippi State, Eastern Kentucky, Vanderbilt.

by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 18, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, so Feldman's just an idiot and an equal opportunity hater

LA Monroe and EKU are lock wins and I think they’ll split Vandy/MSU

by memphispete on Oct 18, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I picked Chik-Fil-A

because I am one of those torn between my preseason 8-4 and my gut tells me we slip up one more time (plus the obvious Bama loss) to end up at 7-5. From the chart above, Chik-Fil-A.

And, besides, I prefer Chik-Fil-A to the Outback. Anybody who has the guts to stand up for their beliefs and miss out on all that revenue by staying closed one day a week deserves more credit than the fake Aussie accent company that isn’t even Australian.

by memphispete on Oct 18, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

No joke

I’d rather eat at Chick-Fil-A than Outback

by Will Shelton on Oct 18, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

(not all regulars are Vols fans…)

by David Hooper on Oct 19, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some are trolls...

Judging by the 5-7 votes….

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 19, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I figured the 5-7 votes were trolls

It was just the Music City ones that confused me. I guess that’s the worst possible bowl-bid scenario, but given that the Liberty has first choice, I don’t see how anyone could expect it. The Liberty would jump at the chance to have Tennessee.

by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 19, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

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