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How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love the Pro-Style Offense.

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At this stage in the season, it's pretty well time for fans of teams who don't have a shot at a national championship to begin wondering who they'd most like to see actually win the thing.  Sometimes it's a matter of not watching a rival win it.  Sometimes it's just hoping the SEC doesn't win one yet again.  Sometimes it's just the color of the helmet.  But we all decide that, at the very least, there's one team out there that we'd be least disgusted to see win it all.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the name of the team, the color of the jersey, or even the geography of the conference, but rather a matter of principle of opinion.  Now, my opinion might change again at the drop of a hat, but for one week, I finally have an actual reason to pick somebody - the Alabama Crimson Tide.

My reason comes as a reaction to this opinion at Team Speed Kills:

The conference sure would be a lot less interesting without Nick Saban and Lane Kiffin, but after watching Alabama and Tennessee play, I'm willing to make that sacrifice.

Year2 is fully entitled to his opinion, and I completely respect it.  I understand where he's coming from, and we can set aside any pro-Florida innuendo behind his preference for Alabama and Tennessee to jettison their coaches as I really don't think he meant it in that manner.  But the disinteresting nature of pro-style football at the collegiate level comes entirely from a matter of personal subjective preference, not from the systems themselves.  And before I go any further, since I have shown a tendency to come off as judgmental against people themselves, let me again repeat that it's perfectly ok for Year2 to have his opinion and I'm not begrudging that in the least.  But an opinion - even mine - is nothing more than an opinion, and it's worth separating out some of the objectivity from the subjectivity.

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NFL Coaches in College Football

The SEC should outlaw former NFL coaches from taking jobs in the league.

Year2 was quite serious about that point, and I can understand where he's coming from.  A lot of college football fans don't appreciate the uber-chess match that the NFL has turned into, where coordinators spend about 245 hours in each 168-hour week pinpointing the exact weaknesses of the other team.  Not everybody is a fan of this:

And that's perfectly understandable.  I enjoy it, but it's a matter of preference, not of any substantive objective quality.  And if NFL coaches were to try this very thing at the collegiate level, they'd fail quite miserably.  Charlie Weis has learned this very lesson, as his 'superior schemes' have done nothing for the Notre Dame Fighting Irish except require 3- and 4-year veterans to populate the starting roster simply because they're the only ones to have studied those schemes enough to be able to do anything with them.  Heck, we at Tennessee learned that lesson last year, and the UCLA Bruins learned it under the Karl Dorrell days.

The thing is, Nick Saban and Lane Kiffin really can't be rightly thought of as "NFL coaches".  Aside from one brief stint with the Oakland Raiders, Kiffin's entire experience (short as it is) as a coach or coordinator has been at the college level.  Saban had his brief stint with the Miami Dolphins, but he made his name with the Michigan State Spartans (where he upended the rivalry with Michigan) and the LSU Tigers (where he created the werewolf behemoth that one a national championship under his tutelage); referring to him as an 'NFL' coach because of a couple of average seasons doesn't do justice to the dominance he's always displayed at the college level and glosses past the fact that his present schemes are really no different that the ones he ran at LSU and Michigan State.

The other 'NFL' coaches in the league include Steve Spurrier and Bobby Petrino - neither of whom made their names at the NFL level and neither of whom were hired at their present institutions because of NFL experience.  Both of them run pro-style offenses to varying degrees of success at the moment, and Petrino's Arkansas has been anything but disinteresting so far this year.

Quite frankly, the NFL tag really doesn't mean a whole lot.  If a coach tries to implement a full-on NFL system, complete with the eleventy kajillion hot reads (which is 6.5 more than the eleventy billion you're used to), it's going to fail.  All 'NFL' coaches in the SEC right now understand that; the systems in place are not NFL systems by the full sense of the term, but are simplified to suit the limited practice time and experience of the players.

There is a breed of coaches who are NFL coaches.  They are the ones who will spend every waking moment thinking of strategy and perfecting their machine for a battle of equally-staffed opponents.  There is a breed of coaches who are college coaches.  They enjoy the recruiting game and are more focused on creating a few strengths rather than eliminating every weakness.  But the superior DNA in both coaching gene pools have one trait in common:

Eliminating Mistakes is More Important Than Style

It was an excruciatingly boring game between two teams playing it by the percentages, ...

The ultimate priority of eliminating mistakes is absolutely true regardless of system.  The poster child for the non-pro-style system right now is the Florida Gators, who have a legitimate shot at a third national title with a spread-type offense.  They are undefeated right now for one reason:  they minimize mistakes.  They play the percentages.

Just watch the Gators offense of this year.  They're not flashy.  They're not innovative.  They're actually surprisingly predictable:  Tebow up the middle; Tebow zone read; Tebow handing off to the end around; Tebow on the dump-off pass.  If there's any poster child for boring-yet-effective offensive play this year, it's the Florida Gators.  But that's the whole point:  it works.  Why should they take risks when the boring stuff wins games for them?  Tim Tebow is not yet a comfortable passing quarterback; his bootlegs against the Mississippi State Bulldogs were not pretty to watch.  He doesn't have to be a comfortable passing quarterback, though.  Let the Gators run the Tebow dive on 3rd and whatever and let everybody try to stop it.  They don't screw it up, which is all the style and interest they need.

The same applies to the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets.  Behind all the neato-torpedo style of football endorsed by Paul Johnson is an offense that is scarily successful because they employ a very fundamentally sound running game.  They don't miss blocks.  They make correct reads.  They adjust their playcalling to take what the defense gives them.  They do exactly what pro-style offenses are known to do - just with a different playbook.

In the '90s, the Nebraska Cornhuskers' offense was considered 'boring' compared to the more pass-happy pro-style sets of teams like Florida and the Florida State Seminoles.  But Nebraska was so fundamentally sound in what they did that nobody could stop it.  They wore teams out - much like Alabama under Saban, the USC Trojans under Pete Carroll, and the Florida Gators under Urban Meyer.  The term 'boring' has one of two applications: it may refer to something that is 'conventional', or it may refer to something that is flat-out ineffective.  There's nothing wrong with conventional; things become convention because they work.  Ineffective gets weeded out by the Darwinian nature of the game.  The day that the pro-style system becomes ineffective is the day it will fade.

Perfect Football is Always Boring

No matter the systems run on offense and defense, if both teams play excellent games, the result will be dull.  If both the offense and defense make correct reads of each other, they will game-theory themselves into a pseudo-stalemate where the offenses make only average gains throughout the day and the defenses make only average stops.  With eleven on each side, there is always a counterpunch available to the other team's punch.

The Tennessee / Alabama game was one of very few mistakes.  Each team had only one turnover, and those turnovers ended up leading to critical scores.  But otherwise, the penalties were held in check and the defenses played very controlled football.  Had the defenses made more mistakes, the scores would have been higher and the game would appear more 'interesting'.  Had the offenses made more mistakes, either the game would have turned into a punt fest, or the defenses would have created more turnovers - the latter of which would have made the game more 'interesting'.  But with two teams at their best, there just isn't much room for the offenses to move and there isn't much opportunity for the defense to flip the game.  Unlike basketball, the game of football is very well balanced between offense and defense such that mistakes are usually the difference.

The NFL / Collegiate Distinction is Overplayed

The NFL is actually more guilty of this than the NCAA teams, but there really isn't as great of a difference in the brands of football between the two leagues.  Spread-y systems can work at the NFL.  Option systems can work as well.  The Atlanta Falcons competed on par with the league when they ran a zone read system with Michael Vick, and the Miami Dolphins are quite successful with that high-school transplant Wildcat offense.  The two main reasons that NFL teams haven't tried the spread to the degree that Florida has are (a) that the transition in personnel is hard to do with a 47-man roster limit, and (b) that there aren't any likely coaching candidates who run such systems and are willing to subject themselves to the NFL coaching meat grinder.  Without getting into his chances as a pro-style guy, Tim Tebow could have fine success in the NFL as a spread quarterback if a team is willing to run that system.  They'd have to take Tebow as well as a backup of similar style, which would be a do-or-die commitment of resources, but they could do it if they really wanted to.  And right now, only Miami seems capable of making the transition.  But it's logistically more difficult to make the transition than college advocates are usually willing to admit, and it's more likely to have success than NFL candidates will concede.

In Short

But ultimately, 'boring' is a matter of opinion.  What one persons sees as totally uninteresting can be completely captivating to another.  Bring on the pro-style offenses.  And the spreads and options, for that matter.  But look beyond the system itself and see how well teams do what they do.  Therein lies the difference.

My opinion:  I like all the systems.  The diversity makes it fun in college football.  But I also love well-played games and am quite content to watch a 10-10 game in the final minutes with two teams leaving everything on the field.  And it is a little childish for me to cheer for a team simply because somebody else hopes they lose, but I'd rather watch a team win on sound, fundamental play than one win because of flash and glitz.  We've known for decades that spread and option offenses are as legitimate as pro-style, so I'd rather see solid, principled play come as the indisputable reason for victory.

That's my opinion and there's no reason anybody has to agree or disagree with it.

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I guess I see what youre trying to say

but Im still trying to wrap my head around that being a “boring” game. Im pretty sure I went minutes at a time without breathing. I was on the edge of my seat far more than I wasnt.

Like you said though, its just an opinion, but I thought Id share mine.

by Muhler on Oct 26, 2009 9:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope it was clear that I didn't find it boring.

The quotes are all Y2. And granted, I had a cheering interest in the game, but my main point was that the style of offense was not why the coaches were playing conservatively.

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its clear

And I see what you are arguing about the pro-style offense in college. I tend to agree with your line of reasoning. I am just approaching it from a more emotional angle than a logical one (my old logic prof is probably rolling in his grave as I typed that).

I just disagree with Y2s underlying premise. Maybe its because the team I pull for was in the game. Had it been the TCU or Iowa game that played out the way UT Bamma did I might have found it boring like he did.

by Muhler on Oct 26, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

Maybe your old logic prof would tell you to embrace your emotions while you’re still kicking… ;-)

I felt that the game was limited to figgies because two of the absolute best defenses in the country were in full form. And that’s always worth watching in my book.

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think my feelings about TSK have been well documented by now

So, I wasn’t going to comment, but I do think that the paragraph about Florida’s offense being predictable should look more like this:

Just watch the Gators offense of this year. They’re not flashy. They’re not innovative. They’re actually surprisingly predictable: Tebow up the middle; Tebow zone read; Tebow handing off to the end around; Tebow on the dump-off pass. If there’s any poster child for boring-yet-effective offensive play this year, it’s the Florida Gators. But that’s thw whole point: it works. Why should they take risks when the boring stuff wins games for them? Tim Tebow is not yet a comfortable passing quarterback; his bootlegs against the Mississippi State Bulldogs were not pretty to watch. He doesn’t have to be a comfortable passing quarterback, though. Let the Gators run the Tebow dive on 3rd and whatever and let everybody try to stop it. They don’t screw it up, which is all the style and interest they need.

!!!!!!!!!111111

QFT

If I could put it all in caps I would.

Pot, meet kettle…..

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude

Believe me, the conservatism in Florida’s schemes this year has been driving me nuts.

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by Year2 on Oct 26, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And again,

total respect for your opinion. I happen to really enjoy the chess matches (or, as Orson prefers, the poker bluff staredowns).

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not saying I'm the expert on Year2

But he is a Florida fan. Most Florida fans prefer a high flying fast paced game with a lot of scoring. Thats been the brand and style of football that Spurrier created and Meyer took to the next level (this year excluded). It’s what has made Florida a successful program. Where programs like Tennessee and Alabama were largely built with defensive identities we tend to like low scoring, hard hitting slug fests. Whatever school or even region you’re accustomed to is likely going to play a large part in your particular opinion of “good” football.

"I can't hear you, Rocky Top is playing."

by Getoffmyvols on Oct 26, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Florida fans prefer a high flying fast paced game with a lot of scoring...

…then they are likely not very happy customers this year.

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by kidbourbon on Oct 26, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not sure if this was added for effect

but if not, you should write your favorite NFL team (Broncos?) a strongly worded letter explaining the 53(+1) man roster rule in the NFL.

i also think we need to hammer out an official definition of “the spread” because it seems to me like that is an incredibly hazy term that can look very different, for instance, the Florida Gators spread and the New England Patriots spread.

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by hal41605 on Oct 26, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the 47 was a goof on my part.

I use the term ‘spread’ simply to refer to the habit of placing receivers out across the field in order to ‘spread’ the defense. What the offense does from their can vary quite widely, obviously, but I only use it in terms of the presnap alignment.

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orson speaks up:
Not necessarily: nullity isn’t the point. It’s not like Alabama and Tennessee’s coaching staffs and teams are exactly and perfectly matched. The wrinkles come in making adjustments, adjustments Alabama’s offensive personnel couldn’t pull off and that Tennessee’s seemed to know were there, but hesitated to call. (Slants and seam routes were open, but in the final forty seconds Kiffin seemed happy to settle for kicking from Eastern Mississippi with 40 seconds on the clock.) It’s not good football, because good football at least involves some element of a chess match, not just two poker players checking endlessly against each other.

He has some good points, and even offers some suggestions. But I would still stand by the assertions that (a) Kiffin and Saban should not be considered NFL coaches vice college coaches, and (b) the complaints are not specific to the pro style offenses and apply equally well to all of the non-pro offenses. This isn’t a fault of the pro-style at all.

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The only pro coach

we have is Kiffin the Elder.

by Muhler on Oct 26, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The headline for that section was a shortcut (and a joke – such a rule would be stupid). No, Saban and Kiffin haven’t spent enough time in the NFL to be considered NFL guys.

But, look at who their biggest influences are: for Saban it’s Bill Belichick and for Kiffin it’s his father and Pete Carroll. Belichick, Monte, and Carroll are all NFL guys to their core, and that got passed from teacher to student.

Compare that with Spurrier and Petrino, who collectively spent about as much time as NFL head coaches as Saban and Kiffin did. Spurrier for his part does (and did at Florida) run a pro-style scheme. Petrino also has a heapin’ helpin’ of pro-style sets and play in his offense, including the whole of Spurrier’s Florida offense. What makes those two different is, as Orson Swindle already beat me to explaining, their risk tolerance. Both are willing to take more risk during a game than Saban usually does and Kiffin appears to be willing to so far as a head coach. Kiffin took some risk at USC, but a) he wasn’t the head coach yet, and b) how big a risk is it when you have better players at every position?

Games don’t have to be high scoring to be good. Last year’s SEC title game is a good example (31-20), as is Super Bowl XXXIV (23-17). You also don’t have to run a spread or option scheme to be exciting; some of the USC teams that Lane Kiffin helped direct were pretty darned exciting. The Alabama-Tennessee game on Saturday was boring because each team kept doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different result. That’s the definition of insanity, and it makes for a soporific game.

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by Year2 on Oct 26, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

Don’t these statements:

Kiffin appears to be willing to so far as a head coach.
how big a risk is it when you have better players at every position?

emp. mine

Make it a little premature for you to draw the conclusion that Kiffin runs a boring gameplan because of NFL pedigree and therefore the SEC needs no more NFL pedigreed coaches?

He says every week that doesn’t have the talent to compete with the upper echelon of SEC teams, but yet his “NFL-boring” gameplans still give this team a chance in the end. Will it still be boring to you if he gets the talent over the next two years and starts beating everybody like he did Geogia? Including your beloved Gators? Or will it just be back to how he has no class?

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was kind of the point – a risk isn’t that much of a risk if you’re almost certain it will work. The NFL mindset warns against taking risks unless you’re in a desperate situation or you’ve got a very clear and obvious personnel advantage. Tennessee was not really in desperate straits (until the final drive, of course), and it didn’t have that big a personnel advantage anywhere, so therefore not much risk taken. At USC he took some “risks,” but giving the ball to Reggie Bush in space in unconventional ways isn’t really a risk because he’s Reggie Bush.

Not sure what you’re referring to with that last comment. I’ve never criticized anyone for running up the score because it’s not a coach’s job to slow down his own offense. If Kiffin can beat everyone 48-19, more power to him. That means the teams he’s playing have some work to do to get better.

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by Year2 on Oct 26, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The last comment

assumes based off your statements that your definition of non-boring games are high octane offenses scoring a lot of points since you don’t seem to be too fond of the defenses dominating. So, that’s why I ask

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be curious to see a risk assessment on that game.

Both defenses were clearly stronger than the offenses. In Alabama’s case, the only things working well were actually the low-risk running plays they were using in the second quarter. Getting away from those was actually a part of their problem. As for Tennessee, is it not at least fair to grant that we’re still getting used to this whole ‘Crompetent’ deal? He had played a great game so far, but one mistake at that final juncture would have been the end of a whole lot of feelgoods.

Teams should follow their best perceived chance to win, and in the case of Tennessee, that involves not turning the ball over like we did against UCLA. For Florida, it involves Tim Tebow not rolling out on bootleg passes.

I can go with the NFL-trained assertions. But last I checked, Pete Carroll’s college team has been pretty exciting to watch over the years.

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should have clarified: I meant even before Kiffin showed up at USC. Carroll sold excitement down there and still does. That’s partly why Orson shills Carroll’s Twitter updates (or at least used to).

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pete Carroll’s teams have been exciting because he has great players and great players always create excitement.

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by Year2 on Oct 26, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, not always

I’d categorize most of Florida’s offense as a pack of great players. And as I understand, Zook has a way of bringing in great players in his time.

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And he did have to rebuild from the Hackett days

He had to get the great players somehow, and in the late ‘90s, UCLA was the place to be for Southern Cal football. He got a few early on and maximized them in Chow’s offense, which is a sort of collegified pro set.

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just watched the youtube clip on EDSBS....

….and the lack of Percy Harvin can not be blamed for UF’s offensive dropoff this year. They didn’t have Harvin in that game, and yet they still just looked so much crisper executing their offense than they do this year.

Conclusion: losing Dan Mullen hurt.

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by kidbourbon on Oct 26, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defense

My opinion, but if you don’t enjoy watching two great defenses slug it out while the two offenses try to figure out how to eek out a few points, you don’t like watching SEC football.

by KayDub on Oct 26, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Year2 is an idiot

that’s just my opinion.

by golfballs03 on Oct 26, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe i should elaborate on my off-the-cuff remark

He is an unapologetic Florida homer and thus has close to zero credibility on the subject. He will attack any perceived threat to his beloved team and try to masquerade it as “unbiased SEC analysis” in the big charade called Team Speed Kills. (Florida is so mighty that the only team great enough to beat them is, of course, themselves. As evidenced by their win against Mississippi State. Oh and Georgia is the smartest team of them all! So smart because they acknowledge Florida’s greatness by purposely take a bye week to prepare for their impending doom). His opinions are as close to a joke as anything I’ve read pertaining to college football.

by golfballs03 on Oct 26, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perfect Football is Always Boring

It’s like golf. Some of the the best golfers you’ll find are some of the most boring to watch. They hit fairway after fairway, green after green. They will lull you to sleep with their consitency. They rarely have to make 40ft putts or hole out from the fairway. Their rounds seem so mundane, and you almost have to do a double-take when you look at their scorecard and see a 65!

by golfballs03 on Oct 26, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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