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Lane Kiffin & Nick Saban: Year One Comparison

This handshake was just a big longer than the one Kiffin shared with Corch Meyer.

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This handshake was just a big longer than the one Kiffin shared with Corch Meyer.


Tennessee fans may not like Nick Saban - it's our default setting for Alabama's coach - but you have to not only respect, but admire the job he's done in Tuscaloosa.  Alabama has won 20 straight regular season games, and last year under Saban's watch the Tide won their first SEC West Championship since 1999, going on to play in their first BCS bowl since that same season.  And what's more, not even the most optimistic Bama fan could've seen it all coming so soon.  Saban has coached only 34 games on the Alabama sideline, but in that short timespan he has confirmed that which Tide faithful have wanted to believe for so long:  Bama's back.

Tennesssee wasn't gone for quite so long - as difficult as 2008 was, the Vols did win three division titles during Bama's drought, didn't suffer through as many losing seasons (Bama went 3-8 in 2000, 4-9 in 2003, 6-6 in 2004 and 6-7 in 2006), and didn't ride the coaching carousel (after Gene Stallings retired in 1996, Alabama had four head coaches in ten years pre-Saban).  Plus, you know, we don't cheat.

But the chain of events that transpired in the two years before Saban's arrival and in his first year on the sidelines in Tuscaloosa is remarkably similar to what we've seen in the last three years in Knoxville.  And while we hope Kiffin is able to duplicate Saban's remarkable success in his second and third year...here's why we'd like that comparison to come to a screeching halt, for now.

Star-divide

The Last Stands of Mike Shula & Phillip Fulmer

This may be the only common thread between these two men, but their penultimate seasons produced great success.  In 2005, Alabama went 10-2 thanks to an 8-0 start, blowing out Florida and surviving a string of close SEC contests before losing a heartbreaker to LSU, 16-13 in overtime.  In 2007, Tennessee went 10-4 and won the East, blowing out Georgia and surviving a string of close SEC contests before losing a heartbreaker to LSU, 21-14 in the SEC Championship Game.  Both teams won ten games and a January 1 bowl.

Following the 2005 season, Mike Shula was given a contract extension:  6 years at an average of $1.8 million per season.  Fulmer also received a contract extension following the 2007 season, with the much-publicized automatic extension for any 8+ win seasons that followed.  Both coaches appeared to have gained the security they needed after surviving rough patches in earlier seasons.

There were warning signs early for Shula in 2006:  too-close-for-comfort wins over Hawaii and Vanderbilt by a combined 11 points in the first two weeks, followed by something even worse than losing a game via two blocked field goals in the fourth quarter:  before Leigh Tiffin was automatic from 50 yards away, he was missing an extra point in double overtime to give Arkansas a 24-23 win.  Roll Bama Roll has been around for awhile...

I love the Alabama Crimson Tide dearly, but we are in for a long, ugly season unless we show some guts in the play calling department. This team has the talent to win close games and to win big games, but you've got to let the talent play. Right now, Mike Shula is playing to not lose, and we need him to play to win.

 The schedule did Alabama no favors, sending eventual National Champion Florida across their path next.  Thus the Tide would be 5-2 when they rolled into Knoxville, where again Shula played not to lose, and again it didn't matter:  Tennessee trailed 13-6 going to the fourth quarter but escaped with a 16-13 win, the Vols' last victory over the Tide.

After a win over Florida International got Bama to 6-3, Mike Shula's funeral procession began:  first, a 24-16 loss in Tuscaloosa to Mississippi State, the Bulldogs' only SEC win of the season.  Its next stop was Baton Rouge, where #12 LSU won 28-14.  And finally, Auburn continued its Iron Bowl dominance with a 22-15 win in Tuscaloosa.  The Tide faithful were never comfortable in 2006, and Shula lost four straight conference games to close the season and leave the Tide at 6-6.

Would a top ten finish the season before save him?  It appeared most Bama faithful were already focused on moving on.  Nine days after the Iron Bowl loss, with Bama headed to the Independence Bowl, Mike Shula was fired.

We know what happened to Phillip Fulmer, and there's no need to rehash it in detail.  Like Alabama in 2006, the Vols inspired no confidence from the get go, losing the season opener to UCLA en route to a 3-6 start, 1-5 in the SEC.  Unlike Bama, the Vols were noncompetitive in conference, with losses of 24, 12, 20 and 21 points.  The one game the Vols were competitive in is still the standard bearer for frustration, a 14-12 loss to Auburn.

Would a division title the season before save him?  Much like Shula, many Vol fans loved Fulmer "as a person", but the rumbles of frustration from years past became a giant unstoppable snowball, and Fulmer was avalanched by his own expectations of the past and his inability to keep them in the present.

Let's throw money at it and see what happens

Alabama went after West Virginia's Rich Rodriguez, and it appeared a deal was imminent...but RichRod turned down Bama on December 8, and the Tide set their sights on Nick Saban.  Saban...well, he wasn't entirely truthful to the Miami Dolphin faithful.  But by early January, he was Alabama's man.  And for around $4 million per season, wouldn't you like to be too?

The Vols didn't throw all their money at Lane Kiffin, but chose instead to spread the wealth around.  Thus with Kiffin came the hire of the most expensive assistant coaches in the SEC.  Both moves are simply a commentary on the state of SEC football, in a world where television contracts and pure passion mean we don't have none of that recession round these parts, nosir.

Year One:  The Process

The comparisons between Nick Saban's first nine games and everything we've seen from Lane Kiffin thus far are uncanny:

  • "I know it was only _________________, but...":  In Nick Saban's very first game, Alabama blasted Western Carolina 52-6.  Lane Kiffin and the Vols wiped out Western Kentucky 63-7.  Hope springs eternal in the fall.
  • We're close...:  In games against teams with relatively similar talent, Nick Saban and the Tide lost in overtime to then-#21 Georgia in The Britney Spears Game, then lost a neutral site game in Jacksonville to Florida State 21-14.  In games against teams with relatively similar talent, Lane Kiffin and the Vols have lost 19-15 to UCLA and 26-22 to Auburn.  Flashing back to 2007, Roll Bama Roll offers the "I believe in this coaching staff and I also have some questions" angle that every fanbase with a new head coach gets familiar with.
  • The first big win:  Nick Saban, unfortunately, got his against us.  The #22 Vols walked into Tuscaloosa and walked out on the receiving end of a 41-17 beatdown that appeared to come out of nowhere, especially the play of one John Parker Wilson at quarterback:  32 of 46, 363 yards, 3 TDs.  The Vols, of course, throttled Georgia 45-19, thanks to the out-of-nowhere play of one Jonathan Crompton at quarterback:  20 of 27, 310 yards, 4 TDs.
  • The Almost:  In 2007, Alabama had a bye week following their big win over the Vols, then played #3 (and eventual National Champion) LSU.  In a game Alabama had to feel like they should've won, the Tide blew a 27-17 third quarter lead, then got a Javier Arenas touchdown on a punt return to retake the lead 34-27 before watching LSU tie it with under three minutes to play, John Parker Wilson fumble inside his own five, and LSU score for a 41-34 heartbreaker.  Freshly acquainted with heartbreak ourselves, quotes like "We had this game won and just suffered a complete meltdown late...All in all, heartbreaking as it was, it's hard to complain too much. We played a better team and really had it won...honestly we have a shot at winning out."  could've all come from this blog, but they're from RBR's postgame two years ago.

The only big difference between Kiffin and Saban Year One thus far is that the Vols have played the number one team in the country twice, while Alabama only had to deal with a top-tier team like LSU once in 2007.

And this is where we hope the similarities stop:

Nick Saban and Pearl Harbor

After the emotional and deflating loss to LSU, the Tide faced Mississippi State...and lost 17-12.  They returned home to face Louisiana-Monroe...and lost 21-14.  And to close out the season in the Iron Bowl, they lost their sixth straight game to Auburn, 17-10.  A 6-2 start turned into heartbreak, followed by misery, and a 6-6 finish.

Did Saban lose his team?  We had Todd from RBR on our podcast last Monday, and when we asked him about all these comparisons, he mentioned his belief that some of the older players under Shula's administration may have checked out on Saban after the LSU loss.

For Kiffin, he'll certainly have some emotional vulnerability to deal with this week, and South Carolina will be a tough test either way.  If he can keep his team together and keep them moving forward, then hopefully the Vols can avoid a late season collapse that also ends Kiffin's first season at 6-6...and hopefully the comparisons end here.

Looking Forward

A team that went 7-6 with an Independence Bowl win certainly wasn't expected to be 12-0 and just a few minutes away from a conference (or national) championship the following season - Alabama was ranked #24 in the 2008 preseason AP poll.  The Tide, of course, destroyed #9 Clemson and #3 Georgia before the calendar hit October, and played their way into that conversation on their own merit.  I have no doubts that it caught everyone in Tuscaloosa off guard, even the most faithful Bammers.

But looking back...were there signs of such rapid progress in Saban's first season?  If such hope came from being close against teams the Tide should've had no business being close with - something Todd also mentioned on the podcast - the '09 Vols can certainly relate.  You know, with our moral victories and all.

If it's having seen a performance that gives you something to hang your hat on, the way Alabama destroyed the Vols in '07...Kiffin's already got that too.  If you're tired of seeing Mt. Cody block our kick while Eli Gold's voice works its way back into my nightmares, rewatch the Georgia tape.  It's much more fun.

And if it was in recruiting - that the Tide simply needed more talent, and Saban delivered?  Well, we're right there too.

The process Saban spoke so frequently of was a nice little joke to us while we were playing in Atlanta two years ago.  But now, it looks like we're seeing the pieces of it come together in Knoxville as well.  It's always an ongoing one - it still is for Alabama, who still hasn't built the depth Saban would like, and still has only a division title to show for all this work, with the bigger prizes left on the table.  But the process is working. 

Kiffin has already laid the foundation, and it's a good one.  I like where this team is.  In recruiting, the future looks bright.  The next step will be for Kiffin to break away from this comparison and not lose his team over the next month, so that the Vols can finish strong instead of on their faces, and we can play in January, not Shreveport.  And then perhaps our process will become even more accelerated.

But either way - even if he is Alabama's head coach - you have to like the comparison. 

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That "we don't cheat" comment...

is pretty hilarious, given the fact that UT has skirted by a couple of NCAA investigations in the past for dubious reasons. We ‘Bama fans used to brag about “not cheating” either back in the ’80s when Auburn kept getting busted for it – not because rule breaking didn’t happen, but because we never got caught. If you can honestly say that no UT booster has ever given a hundred-dollar handshake to a recruit (or his mama) to get them to Tennessee, I’ll eat my hat.

Alabama got busted because of its arrogance and stupidity back in the 90’s. We paid a hard price for it. Just remember that 99.999% of fans can do everything right, but one lousy bastard can ruin your school too.

by KayDub on Oct 26, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Somebody owes me five bucks

Because I knew the first comment on this post would be along those lines. You make fun of Fulmer’s weight, we make fun of you for cheating, we both make fun of each other for being from the south. It’s what we do.

by Will on Oct 26, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Name them:
the fact that UT has skirted by a couple of NCAA investigations in the past for dubious reasons

Come on what you got?

Bama has done the same, but they’ve also been caught numerous times lately, hence the label cheaters. Don’t worry, it will go away if y’all would stop cheating…..

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

New text book Definition : CHEAT

1: the act or an instance of fraudulently deceviving : DECEPTION FRAUD 2: one that cheats 3 : the obtaining of property from another by an intentional active distortion of the truth.

I don't like South Carolina...except Myrtle Beach , Hilton Head , Harbor Island and Charleston and maybe Fort Sumter and of course Darlinton but I think thats it and the golf....but thats all......

by bulldurham on Oct 26, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UT Investigations

It’s generally well-known that Phil Fulmer testified as a secret witness for the NCAA against Alabama in 2000 and that the academic fraud investigation went away as a result. That could have been much more damning than the textbook “scandal,” since the athletic department was purportedly aware of the tutors who were doing work for athletes. Tee Martin was funneled money through a sportswriter in Mobile. Bryce Brown received payments to go to football camps and colleges. That’s just to name a few off the top of my head.

by KayDub on Oct 26, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But who is on probation?

Us?

I will take “generally well known” over “extensive recent history of infractions cases unmatched by any other member institution in the NCAA” anyday.

Official MCM Hater!

Retire #9!

by gramsey712 on Oct 26, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not cheatn' if your not on probation ! / get caught ! Get it

I don't like South Carolina...except Myrtle Beach , Hilton Head , Harbor Island and Charleston and maybe Fort Sumter and of course Darlinton but I think thats it and the golf....but thats all......

by bulldurham on Oct 26, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correctiones needed

It is not “generally well-known”. There was no merit to the academic case. You know why this is correct? Because the accusing prof went on ESPN and got them involved. Even they couldn’t make anything stick and everything dropped. And don’t even suggest ESPN helped ccover anything up.The charges didn’t drop because of some conspiracy theory. There just wasn’t anything there like there was with Bama paying 150k for a sorry lineman from Memphis. It is “generally well-known”, however, that Fulmer was far from the only coach in the SEC exposing Alabama to the NCAA.

Same deal with Tee Martin. Nothing tangible there. The NCAA doesn’t let stuff like that slide and they don’t have it out for Bama. You just cheat.

Tennessee had nothing to do with Bryce Brown and Brian Butler and you know it. Plus, the NCAA cleared him of that.

You got to do better than a bunch of conspiracy theories.

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

did Oswal act alone ? ; )

I don't like South Carolina...except Myrtle Beach , Hilton Head , Harbor Island and Charleston and maybe Fort Sumter and of course Darlinton but I think thats it and the golf....but thats all......

by bulldurham on Oct 26, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Ask your boy up there….

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is going to go back a bit.

That all occurred long before I was even considering UT as a potential option for grad school. I had a passing interest in the football team, but it was no different than any other football team, really, since I grew up in the Rockies and tended to be a bit of a homer. I say all that to simply note that I only heard of the Fulmer-saving-his-own-neck charges out of the Alabama side of the house. That in no way validates or invalidates, but I’m just saying that it never rose above local back-and-forth levels.

The T. Martin one: way before my time. I’ll let you all delve into that.

B. Brown is clear. That issue had absolutely nothing to do with Tennessee and has been fully resolved to the satisfaction of all parties, including the NCAA. In fact, the funding for the trips was received during a time when Fulmer was coach at UT (and, at the time, with no end in sight), but B. Brown was never once considered a prospect for UT under Fulmer’s tenure. It wasn’t until Kiffin came into the picture that Brown became a UT issue, and that was two years after the trip in question.

So, with that considered, I’ll happily give you the B. Brown incident. We’ll go with that as a standard, and I’ll trust you to be as thorough when accounting for Alabama. ;-)

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't feel like doing the research

But, I bet there is a Bama player out there who was formerly “represented” by Butler. He had a bunch…….

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Five bucks

Well, the reason you knew it was because everything else you said was well-reasoned and fair except for your throwaway “cheaters” comment. It detracted from the point you were trying to make and didn’t add anything to the column.

by KayDub on Oct 26, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cheating

I think NCAA sanctions definitely played a role, but the four bad coaching hires were the reason we sucked.

Mike Dubose – He’ll tell you himself (now) he wasn’t ready to be a head coach at that level.
Dennis Franchione – Two-timer to his wife and his school.
Mike Price – A terrible decision all the way around.
Mike Shula – A last ditch hire.

Your whole point in this article was how much effect Saban has had on Alabama. Keep in mind that Dubose, Fran and Shula all had 10-win seasons at Alabama. Almost any semi-competent coach could do that here. But creating a championship mentality among the players is what Saban has done that has made such a difference.

The one difference that I would point out between Saban and Kiffin that I have observed though is that Kiffin seems to try to avoid the blame for poor preparation and/or bad decisions. Thankfully, Saban doesn’t do that. I think every million-dollar head coach has a little bit of cockiness, and that’s probably a necessary thing, but Kiffin needs to learn a little humility if he wants to build a great team. For all Fulmer’s faults, at least he wasn’t arrogant.

by KayDub on Oct 26, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is left to the reader to determine

whether Lane Kiffin has placed the blame on himself or on his players for negatives in the previous games. Especially quarterback play.

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You crazy?!?!?

KayDub,

Let’s be reasonable, please. The coaching carousel was perpetuated by the cheating/investigation/sanctions/probations and there is no way around it.

Dennis Franchione left Tuscaloosa without a soul for a myriad of reasons, but staring down the barrel of the NCAA’s 12-gauge was the most influential.
The “terrible decision” to hire Mike Price was made because we had to travel to the state of Washington to find a coach willing to ignore the $@!#-storm surrounding the football program.
The hiring of Mike Shula was certainly not “last-ditch,” since a qualified candidate in Sylvester Croom openly desired the job. I was (and remain) a big fan of Mike Shula. His contributions to the University an an alumnus, former player, and coach came at a time when we needed stability and consistency.

We can wish that it all never happened, but I choose to focus on the better days ahead.

Lee Corso: How would you describe tailgating at Alabama?
Kirk Herbstreit: Barbecue and Ralph Lauren

by animalcracker on Oct 26, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing that Alabama and TN

Will ever agree on would be another Civil War ! Outsidethelines wrote a very good article about the game and after reading the comments it was dissected into your wrong and I’m right . And then we have some of our own fan base that doesn’t know why Lincoln can’t kick a football through 380pd flesh eating monster . College football you just have to love it.

I don't like South Carolina...except Myrtle Beach , Hilton Head , Harbor Island and Charleston and maybe Fort Sumter and of course Darlinton but I think thats it and the golf....but thats all......

by bulldurham on Oct 26, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You forgot the most important difference:

Saban is a winner, Kiffin is a whiner.

by jthomas666 on Oct 26, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You forgot a few:

Lane Kiffin doesn’t know what “successive possession” means in the NCAA rule book (let me use it in a sentence: “Julio Jones had the successive possession after the blocked kick to end the game, which would have given Alabama the ball with a 15 yard penalty had a flag been thrown.”), and Saban isn’t a whiny crybaby.

When Lame Kitten has an undefeated season next year, then you can start making comparisons. Until then, Saban is in a class far above that of Kiffin.

by squinky86 on Oct 26, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol
Saban is in a class far above that of Kiffin.

Just hilarious. Someone obviously didn’t get the point……..

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cody's block was traumatic event for the Vols

But, well, the sinking of the Lusitania was a traumatic event, or something, and it got the US prepared for World War One, or whatever, so that’s kinda like this.

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Oct 26, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...or something...

Yeah, I guess you could call it something.

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Year 2 – undefeated regular season.
Please add the qualifier “regular” in to my original post. I apologize for not being clear.

by squinky86 on Oct 26, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

If you check our live game thread when it happened, everyone agreed that the flag shouldn’t have been thrown. Kiffin may talk about it with the media today, but he’s already moved past it with the team.

And as pointed out, this is clearly a Year One comparison, not a promise that the Vols are going 12-0 next year.

by Will on Oct 26, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not so fast Will

We don’t play UCLA or Auburn next year so there’s 2 and of course the UGA so thats 3

I don't like South Carolina...except Myrtle Beach , Hilton Head , Harbor Island and Charleston and maybe Fort Sumter and of course Darlinton but I think thats it and the golf....but thats all......

by bulldurham on Oct 26, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point is, Kiffin submitted a complaint that it wasn’t called. I’m not talking about the fans here ;)

by squinky86 on Oct 26, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said

You have missed the point of the post up there ^

Maybe you should actually read it. It has nothing to do with the FG. It is a comparison of the start of Saban’s tenure and the similarities with the start of Kiffin’s tenure and what we may reasonably expect to happen.

If you just want to get hung up on what Kiffin said yesterday in your comparison, make sure you attempt to justify the idiocy of Saban’s Pearl Harbor comments in his first season when you say things like:


Saban is in a class far above that of Kiffin

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only that, but next time he goes out and proves he doesn’t know the rules, he gets suspended!
Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4596524

by squinky86 on Oct 26, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't say that

It says he will be subject to further penalties, including suspension.

Hell, the first comment he made, he was subject to being suspended.

Your team won, stop feeling so threatened by Kiffin.

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually

you guys should have an easier shot at going 12-0 in Kiffin’s 2nd year than Saban did in his. The reason? Its simple..

You didn’t go through those years of probation and coaching changes. Sure Fulmer slipped on the job towards the end but its not like the cupboard was bare when Kiffin showed up. The amount of talent Saban had when he came in was nothing short of laughable. It actually goes to show his coaching ability to take a bunch of Shula players (and thats not a diss) and a handful of freshman and turn out a 12-0 regular season. The fact is, we should have never been in that SEC CG or the Sugar Bowl.

So yeah, when comparing what Saban did and then seeing if Kiffin can do the same, i guess its possible…highly unlikely but possible.

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Oct 26, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

For once you make sense and do not deserve to be called a troll. Congrats! ;-)

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just gotta stay away from certain topics...

1. Kiffin
2. Fulmers belly
3. Kiffin

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Oct 26, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Fulmer’s Belly has always been ok I believe….

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?!?!

It’s open season though ;)

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Oct 26, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both?

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alabama wasn't entirely without talent:

Rivals rankings:

2007 – 10
2006 – 11
2005 – 18
2004 – 15
2003 – 49

I included 2003 for the fifth-year seniors that may have been there. It was a 17-person class, though, due to the effect of the sanctions on the program at the time. But ‘04 through ’07 were all respectable classes. Yes, Saban has decidedly improved the talent, but it’s a good-to-great improvement, not horrid-to great.

In a way, it’s the same as Tennessee’s situation right now. Working against UT, though, is that the majority of that #3-ranked 2007 class isn’t on campus and never really contributed in the first place. We have a few gems (e.g. Berry), but mostly disappointment. That’s who was supposed to be our seniors next year, and we’ll lose the best of them to early NFL draft. That leaves that #35 class of ’08 as the veteran group.

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But really, that's all shades of grey.

And at least I am probably making too big a deal of that kind of a difference.

Either way, the UT rebuild has to go through Alabama and Florida every year, and we’re rotating onto LSU’s schedule. Yay.

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm more worried about Oregon than LSU

Auburn has our number for whatever reason. I’m pretty sure we’re better, but I’m glad to see them off the rotation.

by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 26, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with ya on Oregon !!

And the distraction from their uniforms will be bigger the crowd !

I don't like South Carolina...except Myrtle Beach , Hilton Head , Harbor Island and Charleston and maybe Fort Sumter and of course Darlinton but I think thats it and the golf....but thats all......

by bulldurham on Oct 26, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

Oregon’s unis make Tennessee’s look good.

by KayDub on Oct 26, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oregon is a top 10 team right now who has one of the toughest HFAs in the Pac-10

Still not an SEC HFA, but significant nonetheless. Add that we have a cross-country trip and that the game is early in the season (QB and O-line will likely be unsettled). Also add that Oregon is a better team than LSU (this, is just my opinion; we’ll see how the data bears it out as the season progresses). That’s why Oregon scares me more.

by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 26, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'll find that many

Bama fans don’t give Shula the credit he deserves for recruiting. Developing those players proved to be more difficult for him.

Lee Corso: How would you describe tailgating at Alabama?
Kirk Herbstreit: Barbecue and Ralph Lauren

by animalcracker on Oct 26, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously, I am not a big fan of Bama

But I do have a healthy respect for Nick Saban. I think he is the best college football coach in the country.

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Eric Berry is better at football than you.

by kidbourbon on Oct 26, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not following the $ signs. One could interpret that many different ways.

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Eric Berry is better at football than you.

by kidbourbon on Oct 26, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll leave it for your own interpretation ;-)

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Oct 26, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pocket Saban!

Look how eensy! Hey, little guy!

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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.

by Holly Anderson on Oct 26, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That sir is GREAT !

I don't like South Carolina...except Myrtle Beach , Hilton Head , Harbor Island and Charleston and maybe Fort Sumter and of course Darlinton but I think thats it and the golf....but thats all......

by bulldurham on Oct 26, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant.

I’ve never seen that one before, but it made me laugh.

by squinky86 on Oct 27, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saban

eats small children. spread the word

by cincyvol6198 on Oct 26, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a lot of his players and their families dislike him

he only cares about himself and treats everyone else like garbage. makes them feel like pieces of meat

by golfballs03 on Oct 26, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cody wasn't only one without helmet

Hmm, maybe Kiffin overlooked the fact that a UT player took his helmet off ON the field of play after UT recovered the onside kick. That would have been a 15 yard penalty and UT would have NEVER been in field goal range. Actually looks like he had it off for a while.

http://photos.al.com/alphotos/2009/10/tennessee_alabama_football_2.html

Stop the whining. UT played a good game but when it counted UA made the play.

by alnation on Oct 26, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that was after the play was dead

on the otherhand, terrance cody was doing cartwheels down the field while the clock was still rolling

by golfballs03 on Oct 26, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

homework for you then:

check it out on ’360’s replay and let us know. ;-)

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lmao

This guy found photographic evidence that Lane Kiffin is on the hands team!!!

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 27, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, that's good!

Giving 100%, right there!

by Hooper on Oct 27, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs


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