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Anyone catch Pardon the Interruption? Wilbon and Kornheiser said that Florida and Alabama needed the help of officials to win this weekend. They said, without a doubt, the no-call on Cody was blown, and so was the fumbled TD by the Gators. Not a mention of Kiffin or Mullen, because presumably, this issue isn't about them...

They also go on to say that Alabama and Florida aren't that good and Wilbon thinks there is an agenda at play in college football.

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Pretty interesting take coming from those two

by golfballs03 on Oct 26, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There's a little bit of salt to be taken here.

PTI makes their living out of stirring the pot. They seem to like taking a generally defensible stance and pushing the boundaries of defensibility so they can both say that they’re right and cause people to argue about it.

Jussayin’.

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I respectfully disagree

Kornheiser and Wilbon are some of the best in the business, and are very reasonable, imho. I don’t believe pot-stirring is PTI’s M.O. — that is left to Jim Rome and a couple others.

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by kidbourbon on Oct 27, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has it improved?

I must admit that I haven’t watched it in a while, but it always came off as too shrill for me.

by Hooper on Oct 27, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh it's pretty shrill

but that’s a product of the format – and Kornheiser’s New York accent… their opinion is still in high regard, I believe.

by golfballs03 on Oct 27, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was some good sarcasm there...

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Oct 27, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wilbon is a freaking idiot

Kornheiser is slightly less an idiot, but an idiot nonetheless

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Oct 28, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To Clarify:

Even if a flag had been thrown, Tennessee would not have gotten another play. The only instance in which Tennessee could have won was that if, after the ball crossed the neutral zone, an Alabama player recovered and tried to run with the ball, fumbled, Tennessee recovered, and scored.

Pete from RBR has a good post summarizing this, though some of the fans have a funny interpretation of when the game ends.

A flag should have been thrown but it wouldn’t have changed anything. Trust me on this. Still, I think we all agree we don’t want to win because of a guy making the best play of his career celebrated. We’re better than that.

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Oct 26, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually there is one other way Bobo

And I read that post over at RBR this afternoon. Most his interpretation is sound except for the game ending part, which you touched on, and how the penalty would be enforced IF it was called and IF Tennessee had been in a position to advance the blocked kick.

I would have gone over and tried to set him straight, but you know my policy on such things.

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nuh-uh.

The game CAN end on dead-ball fouls, or live-fouls treated like dead-ball fouls, which is what the penalty would have been.

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Oct 26, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His interpretation was wrong

I have first-hand access to a referee. ;-)

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I read the rule-book, and it does seem that Pete is right in this instance.

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Oct 26, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read this article for a little more concise explanation of how it was a dead ball foul treated like a live ball foul and why this means the game can actually end on a penalty.

Also, Gary Danielson was the “curmudgeon” who started all this, and on the Vol nation’s favorite radio show he admitted he was wrong after talking with Rogers Redding, there should not have been another play, and whether to call unsportsmanlike conduct upon a player removing their helmet is actually a judgment call and an official would obviously consider that the clock had expired and there was no purpose in calling a celebration or unsportsmanlike penalty in that situation.

by Paranormal on Oct 26, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You won’t set him straight because you can’t. There is no argument you can set forth that will change the fact that a penalty would not have changed the outcome of the game.

This “OMG they want UA and UF to be undefeated!!!!!” meme will play out every week no matter what occurs in the game. Kiffin has no one to blame except himself for losing that game.

by brandonh on Oct 26, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You missed the point man...

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enlighten me? The penalty would not have mattered not matter what the conditional circumstance of UT’s “advancement”.

I’m not clear on your point.

by brandonh on Oct 26, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

One more time.

What you just said here:

The penalty would not have mattered not matter what the conditional circumstance of UT’s "advancement".

Is 100% correct. No buts about it, that’s right.

Here’s what the point of all this is in all of these threads. It IS possible that Tennessee would have been allowed another attempt IF certain things had happened in certain ways. Those things obviously didn’t, and we wouldn’t have made that field goal from the 2-yard-line with that penetration, but a flag should have been thrown, even if it was waved off or whatever.

Now, obviously we still lose, but the point is that it is the prevailing belief, especially based on the comments as to why he didn’t attempt to get closer, that this was merely the last straw for Kiffin as far as the penaly ratio in that game, and he spoke up because of the ratio, but specifically on this call. Which was not the right thing to do.

So, short story is yeah this call was meaningless, but overall, the game was not officiated well in either direction with missed calls on each side, it just seems from the numbers that Bama got more benefit.

One more time though – We (or at least most of us) are not saying we lost because of the officiating, just pointing out that there were mistakes, and the last one caused Kiffin to speak up and get reprimanded.

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bad calls

SEC needs to clean up their act

by golfballs03 on Oct 26, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Kiffin didn't lose that game

Our linemen did. Last time I checked, you can’t magically grow 6’5" 350 pound linemen to take on Cody in the middle. Little hard when you’re stuck with 6’1" 275 pounders for the time being….

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Though Cody

Played a decent game, all things considered, I thought. Much better than UCLA.

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Oct 26, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our Cody

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Oct 26, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Didn’t mean to sound so harsh towards him. It’s gonna be hard for anybody to go up against that mass..

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I could argue a lot about no-calls in the game. UT’s line was holding throughout the game. Obvious PI no-calls. Plenty more. But I’m not going to dwell on that b/c this was a classic game to attend and I had a great time.

When Monte gets all his talent on D, you guys will be scary.

by brandonh on Oct 26, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't think that no-call on Jones

Was Pass Interference.

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Oct 26, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I was gonna let that comment go, but they can have it if they acknowledge that their defense was in the neutral zone numerous times throughout the game. ;-)

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

were you at the game

right on the line of scrimmage everytime?? because you do realize that the camera on tv isnt always lined up strait. Its kinda like when your girlfriend is nagging you to get gas because she is looking at the speedometer from the passengers seat. You were seeing that from an angle. So stop acting like my girlfriend. You have no way of proving that.

by tidefanstuckatlsu on Oct 26, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only problem with the logic for that argument

is that it means we ought to pretty well shut up shop and go home. We almost never get ideal angles for anything, much less everytime. Some interpretation is necessary.

But I must admit, it’s almost universally useful for that same reason. Maybe Saban’s 6 feet tall after all, and we’re just victims of camera angle…

(ok, now I need to go to bed.)

by Hooper on Oct 27, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other problems with the argument

1) Speedometers tell you how fast you are going, not how much gas you have left, smart guy.

2) The meter that indicates how much gas you left is positioned horizontally. Your girlfriend has the same view of the meter in the passenger seat that you do in the drivers seat, plato.

3) Any self-respecting man with a pair of testicles would tell his girlfriend to wait until the gas light comes on.

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by kidbourbon on Oct 27, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think this was obvious...

…but my comment was directed to tidefanstuckatisu, not Hooper.

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by kidbourbon on Oct 27, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my bad man

didnt realize you would get so emotional about me using the wrong word, especially when you obviously knew exactly what i was talking about.

by tidefanstuckatlsu on Oct 27, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also...

not to be nit picky but the gas meter being horizontal is EXACTLY what makes the passengers view different from the drivers view. If it was vertical then they would both see the same thing.

by tidefanstuckatlsu on Oct 27, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok.

I think you two are now using different words to describe the same thing. In order to kill a semantic debate before it begins, can we all agree that this is about parallax?

by Hooper on Oct 27, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love agreeing about parallax

If you are in the passenger seat and you look over at the speedometer (and this example is given in the wikipedia page) when the speedometer is in a vertical-ish position (i.e. 60mph), you won’t be able to see how fast the car is going. This is because the arrow is “vertical” (perpendicular to the plane represented by the ground you are driving over) and so the passenger would have difficuly making an accurate determination on whether the speedometer was at 50 or 70.

I don’t kow how dude’s gas gauge is set up, but mine is mostly horizontal (planar with the ground you are driving over) and maybe 30 degrees down from horizontal when it is totally fully or totally empty. As such, there is really no appreciable difference in how the passenger views the gas gauge versus how the driver views the gas gauge.

In either event, tidefanstuckatlsu, I would respectfully submit to you that the best way of handling the situation is to tell your girlfriend that you’ll put gas in the car when the gas light tells you to.

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by kidbourbon on Oct 28, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

QFT
In either event, tidefanstuckatlsu, I would respectfully submit to you that the best way of handling the situation is to tell your girlfriend that you’ll put gas in the car when the gas light tells you to.

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 28, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...I blame Cody, myself

…and not for taking his helmet off. For blocking the kick.

by Will on Oct 26, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah!

Screw him! ;-)

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Oct 26, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

“A flag should have been thrown but it wouldn’t have changed anything. Trust me on this. Still, I think we all agree we don’t want to win because of a guy making the best play of his career celebrated. We’re better than that.”

There are always plays and penalties to complain about and some actually would have changed the result on the field (how about that blatant holding on the UT offensive line in the last drive?). If the Tide had blocked the kick by some sort of illegal formation or pole vaulting technique and the refs missed it, by all means make a big deal. I can remember a whole host of bad calls that impacted some of the close games during the Fulmer 7 game streak but of course no one really cared. But this helmet issue did not impact the game one iota and Kiffen encouraging this kind of whining certainly points out some things about him. Can you imagine Mike Shula or Mike DuBose whining like that after getting hosed by the refs during that streak?

by wey on Oct 26, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah. I can imagine that.

I imagine lots of things. ;-)

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to throw a little smoke in the air:

perhaps Kiffin’s motivation for the complaint was to make sure not to lose his team before South Carolina.

Just a possibility.

by Hooper on Oct 26, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think this is the case

Actually. Swaggah!

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Oct 26, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Serious question

Are you Vol fans sick of hearing Lane Kiffin in the news all the time? I know I am (obvious bias), but I also don’t like hearing about Saban in the media either. Because it’s always when Saban says something that can be(and always is) taken the wrong way. Just shut up and play football.

36-0

by Bamabrave4 on Oct 26, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not

But, that comes from so many years of Fulmer I suppose. Even with this “missed” call thing, I still like to see us out there being talked about. Especially since it dovetails with the team actually doing much better than last year. 4 losses by twenty points. We lost to Bama, Florida, and Georgia by 20 a piece last year I do believe.

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever

I wonder who will win if Bummer plays Flawrida in the SEC championship. The referees will have some serious decisions to make. Will they make crappy calls for the benefit of the Textbook Bandits or Tebow’s Terrors? And I wonder how long it will take before the Crimson Face has to forfeit this game?

by Tennexile on Oct 26, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha!

that’s a real dilemma!

by golfballs03 on Oct 26, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see the overwhelming negative in it

…yet.

Tennessee is the most relevant 3-4 team in the history of college football right now, we’re in the news every day even when our play isn’t good enough to have earned it. And as long as we’re in the news for Kiffin’s mouth and not drugs/arrests/primary violations, I think it’s been helpful for recruiting.

If Slive actually decides to make a real example out of Kiffin one of these days and bring out harsher penalties, maybe then it’ll be an issue. But when Kiffin started talking we had absolutely nothing to be happy about as a program, and people latched on. Now people are latching on on the heels of heartbreak, while also seeing all the promise this team/staff could have. His mouth and our team keep gaining momentum…the real question is, if the team eventually gets to the point where the on-field product makes us relevant, will Kiffin keep talking then? Is he running is mouth because he thinks he has to, or because that’s really who he is?

by Will on Oct 26, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weird

I’m listening to you talk about something completely different and yet here you are typing this………..

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

The live podcast ended around 9:35 or so, maybe you’re on tape delay…

by Will on Oct 26, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I just started listening.

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 26, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1000 Words

Helmet on, clock expired. Let’s move on.

by Dignan Redux on Oct 27, 2009 12:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

1000 irrelevant words

I am laughing at you.

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by kidbourbon on Oct 27, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are better defenses.

Clock expiration doesn’t end the play. That ball is still live, and Cody reaching for his helmet pretty well guarantees that the lid came off during a live play, which is by rule a penalty. It was Bama’s subsequent recovery that made it unenforceable (hence the better defense), but there was enough time between the de-helmeting and the recovery for the official to throw the flag.

I’m not concerned about the outcome there. The Vols have far bigger things to look at for reasons they lost.

A much bigger problem on this play is that only one player is actually looking at the ball – that Alabama guy in the middle. The two closest players (both Vols) could have gone for it. Maybe they’d have had a chance if one picked it up and the other blocked. Maybe.

by Hooper on Oct 27, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your first sentence says it all...

And I am still giggling.

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Eric Berry is better at football than you.

by kidbourbon on Oct 27, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct, but NOT SO FAST!

Julio Jones went and covered up the ball. According to page 123 of the NCAA rule book, removal of a helmet is a 15 yard penalty from the successive spot. Since the successive spot was Julio’s, a flag here would not have changed the outcome of the game.

by squinky86 on Oct 27, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly what he said you freaking idiot

This is the point, read it twice for bammer comprehension since you seem to have trouble doing that on this site:

there was enough time between the de-helmeting and the recovery for the official to throw the flag

The ref didn’t know Julio Jones was going to jump on it. There was plenty of time to throw the flag before the ball was recovered, and then wave it off after the fact. That’s the point, the flag was never thrown, so it doesn’t matter if the three-hundred fifty pound trailer trash woman in seats 10,11,12,13, and 14 of the second and third rows recovered the ball, the flag should have been thrown before then.

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 27, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There would have been time after the play, too. It’s not like the ref is estopped from throwing the flag because he didn’t do it right away. (After all, think of all the times you hear “late flag”)

The only way that flag would have been able to have been enforced is if the ball was recovered before time expired, so while the play was not yet over, as soon as the clock expires it is pointless to throw a flag for a dead-ball foul (or a foul treated like one) because it can’t possibly be enforced, even if it is on the defense.

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Oct 27, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is pointless to throw a flag for a dead-ball foul (or a foul treated like one) because it can’t possibly be enforced

Exactly. I mean, how dare they not throw the flag the millisecond that the helmet came off, right? Come on. After the LSU-Georgia debacle the refs are going to be cautious about that kind of thing. AND RIGHTLY SO.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Oct 27, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

That Georgia penalty was a judgement call. It can be disputed.

In this case, it is indisputable that Cody removed his helmet before the play was ruled dead – a clear violation of rules. I’m not saying it would have had an impact on the game, but it’s not the officials job to only call penalties that will have an impact on the game – it’s not their job to make that determination. They throw the flag, then end the game.

Just like an offensive holding call on a pass that gets intercepted. The holding pentalty is still called, but it’s not enforced because of the turnover – it has no bearing on the game. The officials can’t just choose to throw flags based on what impact they think it will have on the game

by golfballs03 on Oct 27, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES!

Genius Alabama fans! Apparently in Alabama, Doug Flutie’s hail mary didn’t count because the clock had expired before the ball was caught!

by golfballs03 on Oct 27, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the best part of that clip

is that no one besides McClain sees the ball…Everyone thinks its been imbedded in Cody’s stomach…

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Oct 27, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as PTI goes

those guys are a joke, especially Wilbon. They hate Alabama and hold a grudge against Saban (half the time Wilbon refers to him as “the Liar Nick Saban”). For all I care they can die in a fire. How exactly has Alabama needed help from the refs to stay unbeaten? Neither the overall officiating or the no-call on the final play of the UT game have done anything to change the outcome of our games.

This is just a bunch of ignorant fools whining and crying about something they don’t understand.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Oct 27, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Michael Wilbon is certainly not a joke.

He’s actually really really good. One of the best in the business.

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Eric Berry is better at football than you.

by kidbourbon on Oct 27, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if by best you mean an uniformed mouth breather.

Just another instance of how worthless his opinions are worthless.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Oct 27, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops. wondered why I had deja vu when I added on that last word..

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Oct 27, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well that just answers the question doesn't it?

I have no idea what site you just linked. But I find it quite funny that you think it dispositive on the question of whether Michael Wilbon is a good journalist. Haha.

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Eric Berry is better at football than you.

by kidbourbon on Oct 27, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That article reinforces why we never go into politics on this site.

I’m not going to say anything about the merits of it, because it’s going to come down to political and social opinion. As an olive branch, however, I will not that this sentence got my attention:

This column is the literary equivalent of punching an inflatable Bobo the Clown.

Why? Oh, no reason…

by Hooper on Oct 27, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think it has to be political. Whether you like Limbaugh or not, he did not get a fair shake. What Wilbon said in his piece was basically, “Okay so I may have falsely attributed a racist comment to him, and although I don’t listen to him and don’t want to bother to come up with any real examples, he’s still racist.”

Wow, what a great journalist!

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Oct 27, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I happen to agree with the article

Hooper is correct. Politics, race, religion, etc have no business here. making your point or otherwise. It’s far too hard to have a civil discussion about sports as it is.

Also, I believe that article falls under:

and social opinion

even if it is completely accurate. ;-)

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 27, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

However

I’m more than happy to debate politics and social opinion over at my blog in a thread format. I can go all day on that, but it seems we have the same views, so we might actually agree on something if that happens……..Imagine that…….

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 27, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you, I needed a good laugh

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Oct 28, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Die in a fire?

You need to re-evaluate some of your personal issues. That’s pretty vile.

And for the record, Nick Saban did lie. It’s well documented.

by golfballs03 on Oct 27, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This seems to be winding down:

But let’s at least agree that you can indeed throw a flag on a foul when the penalty is unenforceable. Tennessee fans are quite familiar with this.

And in recap:

+ There would have been no second FG attempt, even if a flag was thrown. On that, we agree.

+ Position: A flag should always be thrown to indicate that a foul has occurred. Enforcement is a consideration after the play is over. That is the position of UT fans here, and Alabama fans would append that with at least one exception. On that, we will continue to disagree.

+ Nobody thinks less of Cody for the helmet removal. We’re not trying to smear your guy.

+ This legal jockeying over a penalty that didn’t affect the outcome of the game is obscuring what was an absolutely fantastic game. On that, we agree.

+ The refs still need some work. On that, we agree.

+ We admins really don’t like standing in your discussions. The whole point of community-building is to have you all in place to talk these things out. But now that it seems that both sides want this to end, can we at least agree to disagree on the one point above? The one that is a matter of academic exercise – not game-changing implication?

Y’all are funny, you know that ;-)

by Hooper on Oct 27, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he's right that the Cody foul alone wouldn't have given Tenn another FG opportunity

but he’s not totally clear in his explanation. The ball could have been recovered by Tennessee, even after the ball moved beyond the line of scrimmage. i explain it on this post at 7:51

by golfballs03 on Oct 27, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wilbon and Kornheiser are both complete tools…nough said…

Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler

by bammer on Oct 27, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well if "bammer" said it

Then that settles it.

Let it be written. Let it be known.

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Eric Berry is better at football than you.

by kidbourbon on Oct 28, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Worried

I think the Bammers should worry less about what the score was or the gripe about the no call. Instead they need to worry that a team that was supposed to not even be able to match their feeble record of last year and was to lose by 17 this year to them, took them to the wire and they were a lame quadricep away from losing by 9!

by Travass on Oct 28, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, eventually somebody was going to play us close. Just about every championship or great team that I can remember had some very close calls. Arkansas really should have beaten Florida a few weeks ago. Florida needed help from the refs to stay in it. Last year they lost to Ole Miss. And I seem to recall that in 98 Arkansas had you guys at the end of the rope. All they needed to do was run the clock out, and they fumble.

At least when we were hit by a series of unfortunate events (Ingram loses his first fumble ever, defensive collapse, and losing an onside kick), we manned up and snatched victory from the jaws of defeat by blocking a kick. Sure, we have some issues to work out but I think most Bama fans are very optimistic about the rest of the season.

Perhaps the Tennessee coaches should worry more about their decision making and inability to kick a field goal than magical flags and favoritism (which there is absolutely no evidence to support in the case of officiating in Alabama games).

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Oct 28, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, and you can add street cred to that list.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Oct 28, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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