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I was wrong (and thanks, bobo)

In a post yesterday at RollBamaRoll I tried to explain the basic fact that Terrence Cody taking off his helmet was a non-issue. While that point is still accurate, I did make a mistake in the initial interpretation which a couple of RTT folks caught and commented on. I initially defended the interpretation (both at RBR and in a few threads here at RTT). I did some more reading last night and realized that I was wrong and the original post went a bit too far (emphasis in original):

Update #2: After spending a few hours last night poking around the NCAA football rule book, I see what bobo_the_vol was trying to say, and I now agree with him. My initial interpretations of a few different clauses in the rule book were incorrect. Upon further reading, Rule 4-3-h means exactly what I said it did not mean (oops). The rule that I was leaning on to provide that interpretation, after another few reads through, doesn't support my assertion as I thought it did. As a result, the initial post was incorrect: the ball was not dead before Julio fell on it. As far as this particular play is concerned, it's a distinction with no difference as the ball was never bobbled around and there wasn't a Tennessee player anywhere in the vicinity of it when Julio touched it, so the final conclusion of this post is still valid. Regardless, I regret the error and appreciate bobo_the_vol taking the time to educate my stubborn self .

Not being one to like being wrong, this really irritates me, but I do appreciate bobo_the_vol, kidbourbon, and anyone else who came along and helped me figure out my error so that I could correct it. Many thanks for that.

I also apologize for being a little more stubborn than I probably should have been on the issue.

 

I guess this is the part where I invite you to mock me for being a stupid Bammer who can't read. Have at it, I've earned it.

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Can't mock you

after that post, as much as we’d like to. The patronizing tone is even gone.

We are all correct in our own way about the interpretation and we should all move on now. ;-)

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 28, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like your style, man

MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--

BENNETT: Dead? You thought wrong. Ever since you had me thrown out of the unit, I've been waiting to pay you back. Do you know what today is, Matrix? Payday.

by Bamagrad on Oct 28, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. No mocking here.

We all make mistakes, and we try to make RTT a place where we can all improve our football IQ along with enjoying the game. You’re a man of distinction for taking the time to post that. Hats off to you.

Enjoyed the banter, though.

by Hooper on Oct 28, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah, its cool, we know you can read

it would be a bit useless to steal all those text books otherwise. ;)

RIP Steve McNair (1973 - 2009) Retire #9!
Member of the Committee to Keep Keith Bulluck.
Eric Berry for Heisman!!

by Pride of the Southland on Oct 28, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I'm wrong all the time.

by PeteHoliday on Oct 28, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So who do you guys like in the

Auburn and Mi’ssippi game this week?

MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--

BENNETT: Dead? You thought wrong. Ever since you had me thrown out of the unit, I've been waiting to pay you back. Do you know what today is, Matrix? Payday.

by Bamagrad on Oct 28, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I think I like Auburn. At least that’s what i think I think.

Jevan Snead will likely return to pre-Arkansas form, and Auburn can be this bad this quick. If they continue to fade, Chizik and Malzahan are in trouble. My how things change fast.

I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
I got bored and made a blog!! SCS

by VolBrian on Oct 28, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you guys had played Auburn

in November instead of September, you would win that one easily. They have no depth and their scheme is losing steam.

MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--

BENNETT: Dead? You thought wrong. Ever since you had me thrown out of the unit, I've been waiting to pay you back. Do you know what today is, Matrix? Payday.

by Bamagrad on Oct 28, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And despie my comment on our computers,

I agree with that sentiment. Auburn’s bad correlation is because they’re now underperforming quite significantly. So it’s a matter of trend vs. average. And I have more intuitive faith in the trend.

by Hooper on Oct 28, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On that note, Alabama may yet be the huge winner on the Chizik/Malzahn hire.

If that offense doesn’t get back on track in a hurry, it’s going to be hard for Auburn to sell that to recruits. The ’can’t work in the SEC’ stigma can be quite strong.

Going one step further: if Georgia continues to de-rail, the SEC may yet return to a Florida/Tennessee/Alabama/LSU league over the next few years. May.

by Hooper on Oct 28, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't have a problem with that

Sounds good to me.

MATRIX: Bennett, I thought you were--

BENNETT: Dead? You thought wrong. Ever since you had me thrown out of the unit, I've been waiting to pay you back. Do you know what today is, Matrix? Payday.

by Bamagrad on Oct 28, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some things are objective:

Alabama is in a very secure recruiting position. Saban has (a) the history, (b) is producing real-time results, and (cee) resides in the primary university in the state (in terms of overall fan affiliation). Two out of those three (a) and (cee) are stable and aren’t going to change. The third (b) is validated by (a) and (cee).

Auburn, meanwhile, just had a coaching turnover, has the smaller in-state affiliation, and has very questionable results so far. If they don’t have a strong finish to the year, they have a long, uphill battle. Alabama is somewhat resistant to the ‘they don’t need you as much as we do’ recruiting tactic because of the fervency and size of the fanbase. It’s not easy for Auburn.

And unlike Tennessee, Auburn doesn’t have the significant national recruiting inroads built up. If they can’t keep up locally, they may not be able to keep up at all.

by Hooper on Oct 28, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Auburn by 10ish.

I’ve been playing around with the numbers on our computer ranking thing, and I think there might be some usable correlations in there. It involves some gross statistical glossing-over at the moment, but right now, Mississippi’s win/loss margins can be explained with 98% correlation by their numerics in our computer. (Auburn’s is only 30%).

I’m not yet ready to show on it, but I want to get these numbers out there for comparison after the fact. Right now, the rankings suggest that Ole Miss should lose by 11.7 points with 98% correlation, and Auburn should win by 6.4 points with 30% correlation. So, if there is actually something observable here, then something around the 10 point range sounds about right.

FWIW, most teams seem to be coming up around 70-80% correlation. But again, it’s waaaay to early for me to go through it. That’s why I’m not posting it yet.

by Hooper on Oct 28, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very cool, Pete

And don’t worry about being wrong. Happens to me all the time.

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by kidbourbon on Oct 28, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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