Bobo's Playoff System:
by bobo_the_vol on Nov 11, 2009 4:57 PM EST
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Because everyone else is doing it, and I want to be like the cool cats, I decided that I would finally put my ideas for a college football playoff down on paper, and I will admit that the system looks a lot like the FCS system for determining who plays. I am an Appalachian State fan along with my love of UT-K, and I think that the FCS system is pretty dang good.
So, with that being said, here is how I would pick the field of 16:
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11 Conference Winners, these winners coming from the ACC, Big 12, Big East, Big 10, Conference USA, Mid-American (MAC), Mountain West, Pac-10, SEC, Sun Belt, and the WAC. Sorry Notre Dame, Navy, and Army, you'll have to hope for an at-large berth because, quite frankly, you should be in a conference. That's how this stuff works. All NCAA FBS conferences would get an automatic qualifier in the tournament because, quite bluntly, that is fair. Enough with this BCS conference crap, that just creates pre-season boundaries that "inferior teams" cannot crack, which is the problem to begin with, isn't it?
- 5 At-Large Teams that would be the top 5 non-conference champions based off of a take-your-pick poll. The BCS poll could be used in deciding this, and I'll use it later on to show the seedings as they would stand right now. There would be a limit of 2 teams from one conference in the tournament, so sorry LSU.
- Teams would be seeded 1-16 based off of whatever poll is used to determine the 5 at-large teams. The standard tournament match-ups would be used, if you're confused here just look at a single region for March Madness to figure it out. I hope you can get this ;-).
- The first two rounds would be played at the Higher Team's home field, and would take place two weeks after the final week of the season (championship week, December 5th, for us SEC people) which would, this year, place it at December 19th and 26th. There would be a bye week before round 3, so these games would take place the second weekend in January with the championship game in week 3 of January.
- Incorporating bowls into this system: it would be unfair to the bowl system and the bowl sponsors to take them out of this equation. One idea I had was for the major 4 bowls to rotate who gets the National Championship game, the two semifinal games, and the marquee matchup of week 2. Other bowls could also try to get in on the week 1 or 2 action, if that's the best idea. I don't know, I'm sure people could work out something that both lines their pockets with tons and tons of money and gives fans what they would want.
So how would it work? Right now, here would be the seedings:
(1) Florida Gators (SEC Champions) vs (16) Troy Trojans (Sun Belt Champions)
(8) USC Trogans (Pac-10 At-Large) vs (9) Iowa Hawkeyes (Big 10 Champions)
(5) Cincinatti Bearcats (Big East Champions) vs (12) Oregon Ducks (Pac-10 Champions)
(4) TCU Horned Frogs (Mountain West Champions) vs (13) Miami Hurricans (ACC At-Large)
(6) Boise State Broncos (WAC Champions) vs (11) Pittsburg Panthers (Big East At-Large)
(3) Texas Longhorns (Big 12 Champions) vs (14) Houston Cougars (Conference USA Champions)
(7) Georgia Tech (ACC Champions) vs (10) Ohio State (Big 10 At-Large)
(2) Alabama Crimson Tide (SEC At-Large) vs (15) Central Michigan (MAC Champions)
Fans of the Bowl System: tell me you wouldn't salivate to see these matchups? It's like a dream come true for me, just looking at this system. And let's be honest: you'd love to see it too. You know you would.
Very interesting Matchups, to me:
- Round 1: Texas vs Houston
- Round 2: Florida vs USC
- Round 2: Alabama vs Georgia Tech / Ohio State
So, yeah, that's pretty much what I would kill to see. A few teams that could end up on here with conference championships: Arizona, Temple (!), Nevada, Clemson/Boston College, West Virginia, East Carolina, Ohio, Utah, Kansas State (hah!).
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Never gonna happen...
…makes too much sense. ;-)
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
There would be a limit of 2 teams from one conference in the tournament, so sorry LSU.
why? It’s kind of arbitrary. It’s possible for a conference such as the SEC to have an undefeated team and two one loss teams who never played each other. Leaving one out because of this rule would be unfair IMO. You could make it 3 to prevent 1 loss teams from getting screwed without letting a conference flood the tourney with teams.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
I thought about that
But, really, this should keep the two best teams from either side of the conference in the field, in the case of divisions like the SEC. Honestly, if you can’t be one of the top two teams in your conference I don’t think you should get a chance to be involved in the national championship hunt.
I’d rather leave LSU out of the bracket (and, keep in mind LSU lost to both the tournament-bound teams that it played) than risk something like Ohio State, Iowa, Penn State and Arizona, USC, Oregon making the cut.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
That would be awesome
then everyone could see the EPIC re-match between Florida and Troy
Living in Alabama is like living 50 years in the past, they are still just as racist, just as educated, the state constitution forbids any kind of public transportation, and all they can talk about is Bear Bryant
LOOKS damn good to me
Then again its pretty simple, and I am pretty sure this type of brackett has already been turned down. I dont know why though, something to do with money I am guessing.
I think any bracket
Would be turned down because of money, but I really don’t understand how a playoff would generate less money than the bowl system.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
My Playoff System:
-The best 12 Southeastern Conference teams from the previous season are chosen to participate
-These teams are divided into two 6 team divisions (hypothetically east and west)
-Eight games are played, 5 vs every divisional foe, and 3 against teams from the other division
-4 preseason non SEC games are played to show how great the SEC truly is.
-The champions of each division play for the National Championship
-Post-season scrimmages are scheduled after the SEC, I mean National Championship game to once again showcase the superiority of the SEC.
So Sayth King Zach I
by kingofzachland on Nov 12, 2009 12:12 PM EST reply actions
I think any potential playoff should be 8 games, max.
And I would actually prefer four.
Stupid or not, I actually do buy the “keep the regular season meaningful” argument.
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Eric Berry is better at football than you.
While the regular season IS still meaningful
It also allows teams to slip up once. How fair is it that Florida and Alabama could both lose once and still play in the National Championship game, most likely, but pretty much any other 1 loss team is immediately done.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Few things I would like to see..or not see
Not see – Any human polls.
Put together a system that produces a bracket strictly on wins and in-game performance (i.e. margin of victory). in other words, have conference champions play each other for the right to play in the super 16, elite 8, whatever. No one can effectively watch 50+ games a week and sequentially rank each team rationally, especially since 95% of the teams never play each other! Computers would be used only to seed teams that have made the bracket, never to decide if a team should be in or out of the playoffs.
See – insured or compensated players. it’s one thing to give everything during the season to ensure your school wins its conference championship. it’s quite another to ask these players to play two, three, even four more post-season games to secure a national championship in a playoff format. we need to make sure that they’re somehow compensated for injury and for the extra time spent away from school.
See – Different overtime rules for the playoffs. Use a modified NFL system. Coin-toss to determine who gets the ball first, but on the first possession, if you kick a field goal, you must kickoff to the other team – giving them one shot to score.
See – Different overtime rules for the playoffs. Use a modified NFL system. Coin-toss to determine who gets the ball first, but on the first possession, if you kick a field goal, you must kickoff to the other team – giving them one shot to score.
I freaking love College Overtime. A lot. It’s a much more fair system, in my experience, than the NFL system. It creates more drama and is all-around way more fun and, in the end, balancing since both teams get a chance to score. I would like to see teams start from the 30 yard line in football.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 13, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
In a way, it's a lot like a penalty shot sequence in hockey.
Sure, it’s a very sudden end to an otherwise extended match, but it’s one of the most suspenseful moments in sports. It’s kind of like saying, “Ok, you two played to a standstill when the rules gave you time; let’s see how you do when each play could mean winning or losing.”
I don't know if you're supporting the existing system or the NFL one
I like the way Soccer does it, with the shootouts or whatever they are called. You have a chance to win it or lose it but both teams get a chance, also with Hockey and Soccer Overtimes you’re given a chance to win the opening, also possession change is a bit quicker. But you have the chance to win the face-offs if you’re in Hockey to get your Offense out there.
When two teams with awesome offenses go against each other in the NFL into overtime, the guys who get the ball first have that huge advantage in that their defense doesn’t have to win it for them, possibly. I like the College system because your offense and defense have to have strong showings, usually.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 13, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I’d like to see the NFL change overtime so that both teams get at least 1 possession, but stipulate that if a team scores on the first possession of OT then the other team has to play for the win when the get the ball. So if team A scores a field goal, team B has to go for a touchdown. And if team A scores a TD (7 point) then team B must get a TD and go for 2. If team A scores a TD and successfully goes for 2 then the game would be over.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
That's ... an interesting idea.
I can’t say that I like it, really, but it is an interesting thought.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 13, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I do like that it forces a win once points have been scored.
Rather than having a team score, only to see the other team for another tie.
Not sure I’m sold on the idea for ending the game, but there’s something to be said about the philosophy.
I like them both for different reasons.
In that comment, I was referring to the college system, though.
wrinkles:
eliminate non-conference games in reg season, and reduce it to 8 or 9 games- this allows more teams (32) in a longer playoff and still keeps the 2 NC teams under 15 games. instead of all the meaningless patsy games that big conference teams tend to play, the smaller conferences would only send their best to play the big schools.
you then also have a 32 team NIT or comparable “B” tournament. this gives even mediocre teams a shot at a longer season. as for the bottom feeders, each conference could arrange some sort of post season inter-conference schedule that allows those guys to play a few extra games too.
basically im co-opting what European soccer does with the Champion’s League. the only way i see to solve this problem is to break D-1 down into smaller, finite units that sort themselves out independently and then address each other. then each conference (suck it ND) more or less functions as it’s own league in the reg. season and then gets to send the cream of their crop to the big dance.
The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.
Will never happen.
Even then, only 64 of 120 teams would play more than the 8 or 9 games, and it’s the bottom end that absolutely can’t make budget with that. Additionally, you’re eliminating all those play-for-cash games that keep so many smaller schools afloat.
money is always the problem somehow
the financial issues you bring up are part of my point. when a large proportion of teams are worrying about scheduling games they get blown out in just to make ends meet, that’s a really stupid system. those teams should be playing other schools in their “class” trying to compete, not throwing themselves to the wolves twice a season just to pay the bills. revenue sharing that benefits the little guy is also a must in my mind. either level the playing field, or stop pretending the “have-nots” are on the same playing field in the first place and split up D1.
i usually preface all brainstorming on the issue with the assertion that the bcs isn’t going anywhere. there are simply too many powerful interests making too much money off of the status quo. but if you are ever going to make it “right”, you have to have an expansive tournament, which for football means shortening the regular season. the play-for-play system represents everything i hate about college football, so i’m not going to feel too bad kicking it to the curb. i love football, but the way the NCAA does it is unspeakably dumb.
The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.
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