Janzen Jackson, Nu'Keese Richardson, Michael Edwards Arrested on Charges of Armed Robbery
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 4:48 PM EST
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PrintBREAKING NEWS from WVLT: Tennessee Volunteers freshmen Janzen Jackson and Nu'Keese Richardson were arrested around 2:00 AM this morning on charges of armed robbery. The incident in question occurred at the Pilot convenience store on Cumberland Avenue. Details are very scarce at the moment (a 'small semiautomatic handgun' was used and the incident occurred outside in the parking lot).
We'll add more as we know more. But remember: nothing good happens at this time of the morning. Given the outdoor location of the crime and the quick arrest, things don't look good at the moment. We'll see how Lane Kiffin deals with the first significant incident since his arrival in Knoxville.
[Note by Hooper, 11/12/09 8:42 AM EST ] GVX is reporting that Mike Edwards is involved as well.
[Note by Hooper, 11/12/09 8:49 AM EST ] More information from WVLT is here.
[Note by Hooper, 11/12/09 8:56 AM EST ] This appears to be the running update post on GVX.
[Note by Joel, 11/12/09 9:05 AM EST ] This from the incident report, via Austin Ward:
"The victims stated that a black male then approached, wearing a black hoodie, brandished a black semi-auto handgun, opened the drivers door and stated, 'Give me everything you have.' The victims stated that a black male then exited from the passenger side of the Prius, wearing a black hoodie, walked around to the front passenger door of their car, opened it, and stated, 'Give us everything you've got.'
"The victims stated that they all presented their wallets to the suspects and showed them that they did not have money. The victims stated that a third black male then approached and told the other two black males, "We've got to go." The victims then stated that the three got into the Prius and that it was last seen traveling southbound on Volunteer Blvd West.
" ... The victims positively identified Edwards and Richardson as the two who approached their vehicle and demanded everything."
"Demanded everything." "Give us everything you've got." Nice. How about the cheers of a 100,000 fans? An opportunity to make millions in the NFL, served up on a platter? How about that? No? You want my wallet instead? /emotional, knee-jerk rant.
[Note by Hooper, 11/12/09 10:30 AM EST ] WVLT has video of the arrest.
[Note by Will, 11/12/09 11:15 AM EST] From the above GVX main article, Mike Hamilton's comments:
“At this time we are currently evaluating the circumstances surrounding an incident involving Mike Edwards, Janzen Jackson and Nu’Keese Richardson,” Hamilton said. “Any decisions or comments regarding their status will not be made until the evaluations are complete.”
[Note by Will, 11/12/09 4:16 PM EST] Jimmy Hyams of The Sports Animal reported at the top of today's Sports Talk brodcast that Janzen Jackson was inside the store when the events first took place. He also noted that the police found marijuana on two of the men when they were arrested, though it was not specified which two. Much of Jackson's fate now appears tied to his exact placement and role during the robbery attempt, and whether or not he was one of the men who had drugs on him. Jackson served a one game suspension for a failed drug test last week.
[Note by Will, 11/12/09 4:46 PM EST] WBIR of Knoxville is reporting that Janzen Jackson has been released on his own recognizance (down from a $15,000 bond), and according to Jackson's attorney Don Bosch, "vehemently asserts his innocence."
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Are you serious?
Bring on the trolls. RTT is about to get flooded.
+1
It doesn’t matter if Kiffin goes down to the jail and whacks both of ‘em, we’re fixing to get it, so get your ban fingers warmed up.
I hope naively that this is all a misunderstanding, but I doubt it, and I doubt we’ll see those two in Orange again.
I’ll now what to see what happens with the case……
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Can UT not give out the #7 jersey anymore?
Seems to be a label for STUPIDITY!
I am in disbelief.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
And D-Morley too!
nm
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Hey,
Its a time honored tradition in the SEC that every SEC fan takes joy in the misery/arrests of other schools in the SEC. As an Alabama fan, we’ve took our lumps with Jimmy Johns and Elder over the past couple of years. Everybody gets a turn eventually, and today’s just yours.
The bright side, if there is one, is that the details of this seem so bad that Kiffin has it easy, there’s nothing to do but kick them off the team.
by Bobby Briggs on Nov 12, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
rec'd
Because he’s got a point, people.
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by Holly Anderson on Nov 12, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
The downside
…all the rigmarole around signing him in the first place. To loosely quote Clay Travis (loosely quoting Homer), “Nu’keese is the name that launched a thousand ships.”
I can actually FEEL Urban Meyer smirking right now.
for the record...
i’m an alabama fan on this website because i am looking for accurate information on what happened in relation to this incident.
joel and rocky top talk are widely known as the most reliable and reasonably objective folks for information on tennessee football. i expect nothing less on a situation of this magnitude where there is bound to be a lot of misinformation, speculation and a minimum of hard facts.
so you’ll find my schadenfreude elsewhere.
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Oh, we know it's coming.
Like Holly and others have said, it’s a part of the SEC way. Just trying to balance between that and giving at least one site on the ’net that Vols fans can go to without having to endure the GVX treatment all the time.
Y’all are cool.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
and let's not forget...
if anyone can feel your pain today, it’s us.
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Cheater Cheater Pumpkin Eater! ;-)
Yeah, I get it. I try not to blame a university for a few rotten apples. It’s bound to happen.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks, kleph
Right back at ya.
Rocky Top Talk
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 12, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Not to mention
Jim Haslem owns Pilot Oil and he is the #1 big booster. Probably not happy this robbery occurred at one of his stations.
Argh.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
why free advertising
marketing is too expensive
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by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Wow.
This comes out of nowhere. Here’s to hoping these kids were smarter than the situation sounds, and that if they weren’t Coach Kiffin sends a strong message that this sort of thing sure as heck ain’t something to tolerate.
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Crap
After all the praise that has been heaped on Jackson and the resilient performance by Nuke last week.
I have a hard time believing that anyone can be that stupid.
this has to be some kind of terrible misunderstanding. can’t it?
I was 18 once
And I never committed a violent crime, but I was pretty damned stupid (some would say criminally so.) So I don’t have a hard time believing it.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Add Mike Edwards to the list of those implicated.
Suddenly, we need some d-backs in the 2010 class….
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Goes with the territory?
It is unfortunate, but it seems to me that when you make serious efforts to accumulate the best football talent in the country, you are going to get some bad apples on campus. I am disappointed that this happened, but it seemed like it was bound to at some point. Maybe not with those particular players (although something about Nu’Keese has always rubbed me the wrong way) but we knew Kiffin’s perfect police blotter record wouldn’t last forever.
Hopefully he sends a strong message to the rest of the team with how he deals with this and we can keep things under control.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
I'm just really disappointed that Janzen was involved.
I was really excited about his future here.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Honestly
These were two 5 star recruits. Their futures were very, very bright.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
Let the trolls come say all we take is thugs, but it’s all in how you handle the situation, not how the situation arises ..cough,cough Urbie….
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Allegedly yes
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Can we get Urban Meyer to discipline them?
It’d be nice to see them in after the first series vs Ole Miss ;-)
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 8:37 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
Might as well rec that.
We’re gonna need some humor today. Good one Bobo
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Man, I was going to hold off on the humor for a bit.
Am I a bad person if that was one of my first thoughts when I heard this?
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
No
It’s just your anti-troll mechanism kicking in. Trying to compare this situation to others at other schools and how those programs reacted. See assault rifles in apartment complexes.
I for one hope all three guys are dismissed immediately if the situation is accurate.
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
At the LEAST
Suspended for the rest of the season.
Dismissed, to me, does seem a bit harsh. These are all freshmen, and freshmen do stupid things. Suspended for the rest of the season a complete minimum (or dismissed from the team, but allowed a spot to re-earn a spot on the team next year.)
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
This ain't smoking weed or fightin' in da club bobo
This is armed freaking robbery.
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Retire #9!
Timing Fail
From Janzen Jackson. C’mon, man …
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Just read that last night thinking we might have a good guy here.
What the hell are these people thinking?
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Yeah, I suppose
Again, all depends on what actually happened, something we might not know for a while. But, suspended indefinitely might be the way to go for now.
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Sure.
We’re all talking in context of alleged right now.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
The evidence so far
Leads me to believed that the stories are completely accurate.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, though I'm pessimistic as to it breaking in the happy direction.
I mostly wanted to throw that out there for the sake of freedom of conversation.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
Who was it that pulled the pellet gun on the cop?
Marsalous Johnson?
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Yeah.
I’d rather see this handled right than trying for a better bowl game.
This will be Kiffin’s first precedent.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
Dude
This is armed robbery. Minimum 10 years with a plea to 5 years the most likely outcome.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
That there was no injury
Will be very important. If there were injury the minimum is 15 years, from what I saw. But again, this is internet research.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
My buddy is an attorney for the TBI
If these allegations are true, each will get around five years.
College career over. They will still be wearing orange, however.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah.
From a bit more research, Aggravated Robbery — which this looks to be, if the police officers are convinced that the C02 gun looks like a deadly weapon, which they should — is a Class B Felony, which has the following punishment:
Class B felony: Not less than eight (8) nor more than thirty (30) years in prison. In addition, the jury may assess a fine not to exceed twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000), unless otherwise provided by statute
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good research
I’m rec’ing your posts.
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by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
For those who won't follow the links:
3:56 AM
Police were investigating an armed robbery Thursday morning on the University of Tennessee “Strip”
Reports from the scene indicate two black men approached the victim in the parking lot and used a small semi-automatic handgun to hold him up. They then fled south on Volunteer Boulevard in a powder blue-colored sedan. At least one of the suspects was described as wearing a black University of Tennessee T-shirt.
A KPD cruiser apparently spotted the car on Lake Loudoun Boulevard moments later and pulled it over on Neyland Drive at the KUB water treatment plant. At least three people inside the car were taken into custody and transported back to the Pilot to be identified by the victim.
A Volunteer TV News photographer on the scene captured the suspects while they were being identified. At least one of them wore a black University of Tennessee t-shirt with an orange Adidas logo and the phrase "impossible is nothing."
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More here:
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (WVLT) – Two UT football players are now facing charges of armed robbery.
A member of the UT Sports Information Department confirmed to us that Nu’Keese Richardson and Janzen Jackson were arrested about 2:00 o’clock Thursday morning.
The incident happened at the Pilot convenience store on Cumberland Avenue.
Police say the men were armed with a small semi automatic handgun and robbed a person in the parking lot.
Police arrested them a few minutes later.
Again, UT football players Nu’Keese Richardson and Janzen Jackson are under arrest in connection with an early morning armed robbery.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Update:
Police say the men were armed with a small semi automatic pellet gun and robbed a person in the parking lot.
So that’s some good news, though taken with a grain of salt. If that’s true then these guys won’t get a weapon possession charge. Stupid stupid stupid stupid.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
Though, to be fair
I don’t know much about the way the lawbooks work.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
The "lawbooks"
probably don’t cover Robbery with Pellet Gun and Prius
Such hard-asses, these guys. ( :
Seriously, though, sucks for the University. I’m a “no shennanigans” kind of guy, so I hope LK gives ’em the big orange boot.
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by animalcracker on Nov 12, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
even if it were a hand gun
it’s likely they wouldn’t have a weapons possession charge. it would be assault with a deadly weapon
It would be attempted armed robbery
plead down to aggravated assault. The weapon used does not matter if it was used to intimidate and commit a felony.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
the one upshot of the particular weapon they allegedly used...
is they won’t face handgun related charges. those are often used to bolster a prosecutor’s leverage in getting a plea from a defendant. i’m certainly not familiar with the particulars of the law in tennessee but think of the kind of law that plaxico burress was convicted of.
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Details still spilling out
Here is a partial transcript being reported by the news outlets:
Victim 1: That’s not a real gun, is it Nu’Keese?
Richardson: Are you kidding? This is a Magnum P.I.
Victim 1: It’s a BB gun!
Richardson: Don’t tempt me. I could put an eye out with this thing.
Victim 1: You couldn’t even break the skin with that thing.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Ohmigosh...
Don’t forget: Gimme all your money or I’ll put your eye out!
by lol vol on Nov 12, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Lol Vol that was pretty good. But on a serious note this just makes my stomach sick. I wonder what in the hell these guys were thinking, or not thinking to make them do this.
by bullrider73 on Nov 12, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Hummm...
From what I quickly read from the lawbook, the use of a non-deadly weapon in a manner that leads the victims to believe they are being harmed or threatened is what upgrades something from a simple robbery (a misdemeanor) to an aggravated robbery.
* Accomplished with a deadly weapon or by display of any article used or fashioned to lead the victim to reasonably believe it to be a deadly weapon;
So, this might actually complicate things, if my understanding is correct. If the victim’s weren’t afraid that they could be hurt, then the classification might get lowered. But, really, I’m no expert on what could happen, I can’t stress that enough.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
However
I don’t want Nuke and Edwards on my team after pulling a stunt like this. I can’t stress that enough.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
right...
but the point i’m making is that if a prosecutor has a weak case in terms of the armed robbery they often can fall back on the handgun charge to get a plea. if there was no handgun, it increases the importance of having an airtight case in terms of the robbery.
none of which has any bearing on what the athletic department might or might not choose to do, of course.
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Yeah.
A C02 pellet-gun isn’t classified as “a deadly weapon” I don’t believe, so the aggrevated robbery charge would have to stand on the victims being led to believe that the weapon used was a deadly weapon. If they weren’t led to believe that it was a deadly weapon (even if it were the criminal’s intent) .. I’m not sure what from there. Every spot I look to seems to say that the victims feeling like they can come to harm from the weapon would raise the simple robbery charge to an aggrevated charge.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I'm drawing a blank here
Who was the dumbass who pulled a pellet gun on someone (off-duty park ranger or something?) on the interstate a few years back?
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
No prob
Opens up discussion on the actual item, if nothing else ;-)
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
By the way, keep the links coming.
I’m splitting time between this and real work, so I’ll keep trawling the comments for easy update advice.
Here is a related story from the same place as the above link. This one was the earlier story that gives a few details about the event. I assume that they are the same event.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
I do too.
I’d hate to think that two robberies occurred there. That one seems to be the initial report before the identities came out.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Hasn't made the front page of ESPN yet
suprisingly enough
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
You think
Chris Low wakes up this early?
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Because it isn't Red Sox/Yankees/Patriots/Cowboys
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
You forgot USC/Notre Dame
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by Bens4vcobra on Nov 12, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
"At this time we are currently evaluating the circumstances surrounding an incident involving Mike Edwards, Janzen Jackson and Nu’Keese Richardson," UT Athletic Director Mike Hamilton said in a statement issued early this morning. "Any decisions or comments regarding their status will not be made until the evaluations are complete."
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I need to do this.
IF PHIL FULMER WAS STILL HERE THEY’D’VE USED A LOT MORE THAN A PELLET GUN THIS PROGRAM’S GONE SOFT I TELL YOU WHAT.
I feel so much better! It’s like gargling! I call it the GXV Deep Knee Bend, and nothing refreshes a body better of a morning!
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by Holly Anderson on Nov 12, 2009 8:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
John Adams, izzat you?
(no offense, Holly… just wry humor … no offen- AAAAH MY KNEEESS!!!!!)
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
LOLZ
I WISH I could get Knoxville radio down here. Dying to hear. (And dying to call in and scream a little, because GOOD GRIEF, y’all.)
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by Holly Anderson on Nov 12, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, showing me up with a link?
;-)
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
heh
That’s how I roll.
I ‘shoot’ for the stars…
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
bad Hooper bad
No!
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Gun Puns:
Too soon.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Like I said.
I was holding off. You have no idea how frequently I censor my sense of humor on this blog.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
bad
not for the gun relatedness (yeah, I made that word up), just bad for general bad punnishness (I’m gonna create my own dictionary!)
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
awesome.
Hey, the worse the pun is, the more I like it. Seriously, you all would be ashamed at my sense of humor.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks! That's exactly what I was looking for.
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by Holly Anderson on Nov 12, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Marijuana was found in the Prius as well
According to Sports Animal
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Female involved and arrested too....
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
This is what happens when you roll in a Prius.
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Retire #9!
by gramsey712 on Nov 12, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Confirmation Here.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Janzen Jackson, 19, and Nukeese Richardson, 19, two freshman wide receivers at Tennessee, are charged with three counts each of attempted armed robbery. Two other suspects, Michael Edwards, 18, and Marie Montmarquet, 21, face similar charges.
Montmarquet is also being held on drug charges.
Police say two men, Corey B. Zickefoose, 20, Benjamin J. Everett, 20, and Corey M. Smith, 18, were sitting in a car at a convenience store on Cumberland Ave. when one of the four approached their car holding a semi-auto handgun.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
The victims told police the man opened the driver’s door and ordered the three to “Give me everything you have.” A second suspect then went to another door of the car and said, “Give us everything you’ve got.”
The four were taken back to Cumberland Avenue where the victims identified Edwards and Richardson as the two who demanded money.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
The real question is
Does the fact that they were riding in a Prius cancel out the street cred they got for pullin out the gat?
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Retire #9!
Maybe not a GAT
As per here:
A search of the car revealed marijuana paraphenalia, two black hoodies, and a CO2 black powder gun.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
green gangsta?
...and we shall eat only the red skittles...
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 12, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The answer is..
…yes. Absolutely. See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T1RMuoQnKo
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Ohhhhh
Silver lining? Jackson can just get suspended for being in the car, but not dismissed?
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
yea, and maybe the prison will release him on saturdays so he can play in home games.
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by Zoltar on Nov 12, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
was just about
to call my token Bama friend and ask him how that arrangement usually works out for ya’ll.
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by hal41605 on Nov 12, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
zing!
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
So when do SEC boosters figure out
that the money is better spent on the bail bondsmen and prosecutors? The NCAA has no control there.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Naw, give the money to the players directly!
Just like the good ole days!
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by Holly Anderson on Nov 12, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
too soon?
was the vic an SEC ref making the call against the wrong player(s)?
then mike slive could get CLK for calling out refs?
...and we shall eat only the red skittles...
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 12, 2009 8:59 AM EST reply actions
on a serious note
immediate suspension for even being close to the situation.
dismissed from team if charges are accurate.
a d@#N shame. those kids had a bright future ahead
...and we shall eat only the red skittles...
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 12, 2009 9:06 AM EST reply actions
Recruiting Question
Hooper might be able to answer this.
Is this like basketball? If these three lose their scholly’s, does that mean we can offer three more for 2010? Or is it set each year no matter what?
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
It's a bit of both.
There’s a per-year cap and a total cap. Off the top of my head, I can’t remember which is more prohibitive at the moment.
But if they do get kicked out, we might be able to use their schollies for more early enrollees.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
From the newspaper mentioning the MJ
It was “paraphernalia” which means, most likely, a bong. If was Marijuana in the car, only the driver/owner of the car could get arrested for a possession charge, and there’s nothing to point at any of the four lighting it up.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
The PD, from the report they just read on the radio
Said there was a “marijuana grinder” and “a bag of green leafy substance.”
Official MCM Hater!
Retire #9!
from knoxnews, now:
In the car’s glove box police found a marijuana grinder. Police found a clear plastic bag of suspected marijuana in Montmarquet’s jacket pocket, DeBusk said.
Montmarquet told police the pot grinder and pot found in her jacket belonged to her, DeBusk said. She was charged with simple possession of pot and possession of drug parapharnalia.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah you'll get
them back if their are kicked off. Just gotta be under the 85 cap next year. It will just be like they left early or graduated.
Scoring against Alabama will be like birthing a child: rare, painful, and messy. - The Ghost of Jay Cutler
Thanks.
If you ever need to know the intricacies of recruiting numbers, ask a Bama fan. And if you think they’re pulling your leg, just whisper ‘Brian Cook’. The fact-checking will commence.
;-)
(The thanks was serious, btw.)
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LIL' WAYNE
So don’t even start…….
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
you know it's coming, though.
...and we shall eat only the red skittles...
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 12, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
I have a feeling the "flag" option will get worn out this afternoon
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Yeah, some guy on Sports Animal just brought that up.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the guy who said this is what Kiffin wanted.
There should be some way for radio guys to send an electrical charge through the phone when somebody says something like that.
Official MCM Hater!
Retire #9!
talk about causing rolling blackouts, nationwide
...and we shall eat only the red skittles...
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 12, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
totally worth it
Radio popularity would increase soooo dramatically, just to hear the screams.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Fingers will be pointed to the culture of hip-hop and its glorification of this type of activity. I love hip-hop, but you have to admit this type of behavior is met with adulation by some of its more hard-core followers.
So disappointed in these kids. I feel a lot older than my 35 years this morning.
If this happened to me, I would probably say “Hey, look. That’s Nu’Keese! He’s coming over to our car!” I would be excited to meet a kid who was such a prized recruit. Surprised I would be to see a pistol in his hand as he demanded money.
Point being, people in a small town like K-town will recognize you, you fools!
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
And if they didn't
the official Addidas-emblazoned Tennessee hoodie might do it.
Rocky Top Talk
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 12, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Why not
just wear your uniform so there is zero confusion.
This news is all over SportsCenter now. Yikes.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Let's not mention Lil' Wayne
I don’t want to believe that I had any Karmic involvement in this incident.
________________________________
Eric Berry is better at football than you.
Still lol'ing at the Prius
What’s next? Big Vlad snatching purses on a moped?
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
by VolBrian on Nov 12, 2009 9:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Excuse me
moped
Vespa
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
hysterical laughter
Vespa. Nice.
________________________________
Eric Berry is better at football than you.
Not Nu'Keese
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
by VolBrian on Nov 12, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
ugh
that is all
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
So, right now
All three of the freshmen face armed robbery charges, and a quick bit of research leads me to think they’ll be charged with aggravated robbery:
An aggravated robbery can come in one of two ways. First, if a robbery is accomplished with a deadly weapon, or displaying something that appears to be a deadly weapon, then the offense is aggravated robbery.
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From here:
The varying degrees of robbery and assault in Tennessee can result in serious punishment. The lowest class of robbery carries a potential 3-15 year prison sentence, while misdemeanor domestic assault can result in the loss of your Second Amendment right to bear arms.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Youthful offender
What are the Tennessee laws governing this?
by 12NationalChampionships on Nov 12, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I would love
to see East Tenn work productivity numbers this morning. We’ve had nearly 100 comments in the past hour.
It's gonna get worse
The trailer park’s dial-up doesn’t start working this early. Expect some trolls later this afternoon.
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Looking past the immediate for a second:
Nuke was the inlet to the Pahokee pipeline, and Edwards was the point man for Glenville HS in Cleveland. Janzen was also big in getting back into LSU for the prime athletes. It’ll be interesting to see how this affects the work the staff has put in.
The staff needs to go to those schools...
… and say, “You owe us another player – the last one you sent us was a dud.”
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
by birdjam on Nov 12, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Not sure it will
I think these guys will get written off.
The program will keep on moving provided Kiffin deals with this in thge proper fashion
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Chris Low
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
His ocunt's off, though.
All three were key recruits. He’s downplaying Edwards. Glenville’s kind of a big deal.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
He also forgot
what paragraphs are as well…
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Time over style.
When you’re already late to the party, you post first and edit later.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
heh
the “party”
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
oops
I do tend to speak in cliches at times.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
But yeah, ESPN finally has it.
That’ll bring the horde.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Man
Watching the #vols twitter feed, I hope we never take so much pride in another program’s bad news.
DON’T GO ENGAGE THEM. Nothing good will come of it.
Rocky Top Talk
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 12, 2009 9:22 AM EST reply actions
Yeah
I vote we just blissfully ignore any trolls. I’m looking at you, Brian ;-)
Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!
by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, I'm all about "flagging" now.
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Definitely do that.
We’ll be keeping an eye on things. It may take a bit of time, depending on what we’re dong at the moment, but we’ll be pretty active on this one.
Discussion is one thing, but taking joy in the arrest of anybody is not what RTT is about. Vol or otherwise.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
You guys have to put this in perspective though....
I can remember a few tenneesse fans (not calling anyone out) for using the fact that you have no arrests yet as some kind of moral trump card and I can also remember a lot of jokes about our “situtations” in the past. I am not saying you guys should put up with idiots but you do have to expect a little and have thick skin to some degree….
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
UT has their share of boorish fans as well.
Thankfully, none of them seem to have SBN accounts.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly,
To set the tone for future recruits and to give these young men some hope, I’d rather see them suspended for the year and only dismissed if found guilty. At the same time, I want them gone. I don’t want Kiffin to be looked at as weak and/or compromising.
leave that to UF
...and we shall eat only the red skittles...
by thetennesseethumper on Nov 12, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
even if they somehow get off on a plea
kiffin should can them. he should have more than enough confidence in recruiting players that are just as good.
recruits need to know that they can’t come to UT and commit felonies
It sounds like there's the possibility that one wasn't actively involved.
Only two went to the car, and the third told them they had to leave. There is a possibility that one player happened to be present in a scene that went south and may deserve a little leeway.
But that seems to be about as much hope as we have.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
And the one who wasn't involved
Was Janzen Jackson. That is our last hope. All should be indefinitely suspended until this is sorted out. If Janzen was in the wrong place at the wrong time, he should then be reinstated while the others are kicked off.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
In all of this, Janzen seems the only one who could get off at being at the wrong place at the wrong time. However, he was still present and involved with this event. It will be .. interesting .. to hear the testimonies given.
Please, Coach, suspend these players — as hard as it is for me to say that!! — as I do not want stuff like this at Tennessee.
Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!
by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Although
Right now:
Each player faces three counts of attempted armed robbery.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Give that time.
In incidents like this, the charges can sometime be fluid as the police and the prosecutor work their way through the details. I’m not saying they will change, but that they can.
It’s easier to get the charges out there first and remove them later because they can process the names through the courts at once.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
" we have to leave"
sounds like a look out to me…guilty
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
most likely
We’ll find out in due time, though.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Said that
Before the cops were called.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
…Then a third male told the other two they needed to leave.
The victims, identified as Corey Zickefoose, Benjamin Everett and Corey Smith, called 911. Police were then dispatched and a search started for the suspects including a reported female driver.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
sounds like a good look out?
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
A bobo-style look out.
It’s like he knew, man. Knew that once they left the cops would be called, and they’d be arrested.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Or he knew what they were doing was a felony and dumb...
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Probably
But calling your friends off from doing something is a lot different than participating.
For that matter, the intent when he got in the car with these 3 might be important. Was he aware of what was going on? Was he okay with it up until the time Nuke and Mike got out of the car?
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
That will be a big deal for him.
He was either trying to do the right thing or an accomplice. And his career may hinge on that. Or it may not even matter after last week.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
did he say "WE need to get out of here"?
if so that includes himself with group and action
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
What should he have said?
I think we’re trying to read too much detail into a breaking news report.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Did JJ call the cops himself?
No? He knew what was going down.
Because friends call the cops all the time in these instances.
I’m just saying that intent is not known at this point. His actions may leave a lot to be desired, sure.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Speculation on Jackson's headspace
is just going to lead to some dizzying back-and-forth, y’all, and will get us nowhere.
________________________________
I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.
by Holly Anderson on Nov 12, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not calling the kid
guilty. I’m only speculating. I should have prefaced.
If he was innocent and they were on the strip he could have walked away..
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Not jumped in the gettaway car
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
You don't walk away from your teammates
You try to get them to stop doing something stupid. They’re your family.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
So if your teammate is involved in a murder you dont walk away you jump in the car and flee the scene until aprehended by police
now thats UNITY….by the way just using an extreme to prove a point not equating the two
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
The problem is MURDER and waving a pellet gun in someone’s face are very, very different actions.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
If your teammate has someone that they're doing violence to
You tell them to drop it and leave before they go farther (like actually killing the guy).
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Janzen also
might not have really known what Nuke and Edwards were doing until the time when they pulled a C02 gun and jumped out to go try to get some money.
And honestly, if I got caught up in a situation, I’d probably go with my friends, especially if I just got caught off-guard like that. It’s also 2 AM. You can be around a situation and not approve of, or really be aware of, a situation until it drop onto you.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
theres a lot of wishful thinking going on
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
We've never denied this is wishful thinking
But the early statements bear it our as a possibility, so we’re going to keep being wishful.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
There's a lot
Of thinking going on. It’s what we do. Yes, I hope this is what happened, but I really don’t know right now. Just painting a picture :-)
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Robbing someone at a perceived gun point is incredibly serious....
and if he had time to say " we gotta go" he could have said plenty before to stop it …he should have fled the situation if he was not involved. Period.
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Your on the strip in the heart of campus....
you run a 4.0 40….get outta there!
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by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Just to play devils advocate
the victims were probably not happy and their car runs a 1.0 40 so that may not have been a safe escape..
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
He should have
But the fact is that most kids wouldn’t have. I would know, I keep trying to think what I would do in this case if I were innocent .. and probably I’d get back in the car and think about what happened in the morning, or later.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah and you would "probably" need to be kicked off the team too
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by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
As I said, an immediate and minimum of being suspended for the rest of the year for all those involved.
However, if it’s concluded that Jackson was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, then he deserves to be let back on the team.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
At least they got a fat stash..
…oh wait …they didnt get anything….you mean they came up empty handed…….morons
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by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I agree on this point
Jackson may or may not be culpable based on what I am hearing. This may have been an impromptu performance by Nuke and Edwards.
Yes, this is wishful thinking on my part.
________________________________
Eric Berry is better at football than you.
VOR
There is no such thing as a 4.0 40. Just wanted to clear up that point.
________________________________
Eric Berry is better at football than you.
Memo to Berry:
Come back for one more, buddy?
Seriously, can’t somebody hire his dad now?
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Lawyas, a little help?
I know Joel is in health care, but I’m not 100% on lawvol or kidbourbon. (Apologies if I forgot who else may be a lawyer.)
Any quick background for the rest of us on the charges? (Not specific to this case, obviously – just the generic stuff.)
thanks, pound the rock, for the info above
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
No prob
Not an attorney, myself. But I play one on the interweb sometimes.
My friend at the TBI seems to think there is no chance for Nuke or Edwards, but JJ may have a chance if he did not actively participate in the crime. Either way, JJ might get the boot anyway.
Dammit, we almost made it 12 months with no problems.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
JJ
I think last week’s incident will weight heavily into this. That, and how aggressively Jackson tried to end the incident (the right way).
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
The more I look into it, the more I highly doubt either of Nuke or Edwards will play at UT again. I would imagine both of them will be kicked out of the school as well.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. If they're not playing
the University will no need for them.
Well
From an academic point of view, too, the University can’t drop a kid for some reasons they would be dismissed/suspended, only take away their scholarships. But that’s a moot point atm, I would think.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure there is a clause in there
about getting arrested for sticking someone up in a gas station parking lot.
Ok
Counts include:
Aggravated stupidty
General malaise with free education
Larceny of talent someone else deserved a lot more
Inciting a troll riot
More charges pending…..
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
by VolBrian on Nov 12, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
From Here:
Robbery can be elevated in two circumstances to “aggravated robbery” or “especially aggravated robbery.” According to Tennessee law, aggravated robbery is:
* Accomplished with a deadly weapon or by display of any article used or fashioned to lead the victim to reasonably believe it to be a deadly weapon; or
* Where the victim suffers serious bodily injury (T.C.A. Section 39-13-402).
Aggravated robbery is a Class B felony, which carries stiffer penalties than a Class C felony.
And then from here:
Class B felony: Not less than eight (8) nor more than thirty (30) years in prison. In addition, the jury may assess a fine not to exceed twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000), unless otherwise provided by statute
I don’t know if there is a difference in an attempted robbery and an actual robbery.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would guess that property valuation comes into play with actual robberies.
At least more so than attempts.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Here's a prior case:
Read the Details Here:
A 49 year old Alexandria man, who tried to pull off an armed robbery at Prichard’s Foods in Alexandria in December 2008, pleaded guilty Friday in DeKalb County Criminal Court.
Billy Ray Thomas of Lower Helton Road, who was charged with attempted aggravated robbery and unlawful carrying of a weapon with the intent to go armed, received a three year sentence as a range one offender to serve 108 days. He was given credit for time served from December 27th, 2008 to April 13th, 2009 and has been released.
Under terms of the plea agreement, Thomas must undergo an alcohol and drug assessment and complete a Teen Challenge program for addiction or some similar treatment program. Thomas must also make a $75 payment to the economic crime fund.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Good info
This is why it does not matter the gun was a CO2 pistol. It was used in a threatening manner to commit aggravated robbery.
FELONY = Bad juju.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, not my area
Or lawvol’s, either, I think. Don’t know about kidbourbon.
But the stuff posted by pound the rock and bobo have the air of authenticity, fwiw.
Rocky Top Talk
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 12, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
The citations are excellent.
(I’d recommend bobo write some of that up into a ’Post…)
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
"Crime doesn't pay"
In life and in law.
In other words, I once knew just enough criminal law to pass the bar exam, and have forgotten most of that.
________________________________
Eric Berry is better at football than you.
It may not matter
If it was something not related to the school the school is not obligated to provide an attorney.
During Fulmer's regime . . .
. . . it was, oh shoot, . . . the guy who co-wrote A Perfect Season with Fulmer.
Rocky Top Talk
by Joel Hollingsworth on Nov 12, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
By the way, looking at the very, very short term
Is anyone else happy that Janzen Jackson missed last week?
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 9:35 AM EST reply actions
Yes yes yes
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
The Mean Machine should be pretty good this year........
Official MCM Hater!
Retire #9!
by gramsey712 on Nov 12, 2009 9:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Because he lives in Knoxville and used to cover the Vols, he gets constant criticism over at ESPN (from subscribers, not ESPN) that he’s a Vols homer. So he tends to bend over backwards to avoid appearances.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
i would be shocked if it did.
only if for some reason Jackson’s departure from the secondary has caused a flood of people to pick Ole Miss… which I doubt.
Gonna run some errands.
I expect 500 comments in this thread and no trolls when i get back!! ;-)
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Am I the first troll??
Haha, seriously though, you guys do an awesome job with this blog, and your discussions are generally intelligent and reasonable for a bunch of passionate fans, so I respect you guys and enjoy reading what you guys are saying over here from time to time.
Just my two cents, if it turns out to be what it sounds like it is, its probably best to learn from Corch Meyer’s mistakes and send these kids packing. Handle the first situation like this tough and it’ll send the right message to kids coming into your program, fans, the media, etc. that you are better than that at Tennessee.
But lets play what if for fun: If Nu’keese had gone to Florida, lets see, simple battery is about a 6 months sentence or so, armed robbery about 4 years. So if Spikes gets a half game, Nu’keese gets 4 games? :-).
by negativeEV on Nov 12, 2009 9:46 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
heh
Rivals are always welcome for the discussion. So long as it’s actual discussion.
But at the very least, no troll posted before you. ;-)
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Mickey Dearstone needs to join the century.
He thinks it’s premeditated because they were wearing hoodies. Has he been on campus this year? The athletes wear hoodies all the time. Heck, I’m in one as we speak. (It’s very comfy.)
Help me out here
What the devil is a pot grinder? You have to grind pot? Its hard enough that it requires a grinder?
Depends how you use it
From what I know from my sister. I’ve never smoked pot in my life, so I’ve no freakin clue.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I wasn't biting on that either. ;-)
(In all seriousness, I’m in the same boat. I have no clue on this stuff.)
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
They grind it like coffee grounds
and then use it to roll blunts with. Like a cigar but filled with ganja.
Another sign ’o the times, as Prince would say.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe they just like a good espresso?
by 12NationalChampionships on Nov 12, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Now we know what Starbucks means by 'mild'.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
So, good things for Janzen
Is that he told the people they had to leave before the Cops were called (as in, before he knew that they would get caught.). He was described as arriving after the demand for money, so he (and the woman, for that matter) might not get charged with robbery, depending on how testimonies play out. Though I’ve no idea the legal process for determining this.
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Though, for the woman
Since she drove, there might be stiffer punishments for her?
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Let this be a lesson to Eric Berry and all the other players taking the high road...
It’s really, really worth it in the end. You don’t want to end up like these jokers, and the reward waiting for you in the end if you stick with it.
After all that talk from Richardson about “getting out” and getting a fresh start from the nightmare he was living in before…. jeez. It just going to get worse from here, buddy.
Bingo.
What part of ‘pipeline to the NFL’ includes ‘arrested in freshman year and kicked off the team’?
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Let's just review, shall we?
-They robbed someone at a Pilot less than a mile from their dorm. Jackson (I think) was wearing his UT Athletics “Impossible is Nothing” T-shirt.
—They robbed someone using a pellet gun.
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— They tried to get away in a Toyota Prius.
I’m not entirely sure, but these fellas might have a judgment problem when it comes to game-time decisions.
Time to pull ’em, coach?
Don't forget the pellet gun and (rumored) pot in the car
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by rustytanton on Nov 12, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
The car
Belonged to a female involved in the action, and the pot was found in the woman’s jacket.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
And one lady who is probably not happy to have her name in the paper today.
What a way to become unpopular.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Without a doubt.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, now.
Luke Stocker was not involved.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Are we sure?
After all, we’re not so sure about Jackson, either, right???
Maybe Jimmy Clawson was hiding around the corner. With a can of hair pomade.
Okay, so the warp speed of cynicism has just pushed beyond Plaid. I’m really sorry. I’m just so INFURIATED at Richardson.
The least they could have done...
…was do this a couple of days ago so it could have been incorporated into the Hail Mary Haiku.
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
Cowherd just said
it was the station that was robbed and that the station was owned by a booster…where is he getting htat form?
It's a Pilot station
Owned by Haslam. Dunno about the station being robbed, but it’s Cowherd, so your mileage may vary.
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by Holly Anderson on Nov 12, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think it was the station itself.
But maybe Cowherd misspoke.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
From all I've heard
It was in the parking lot of the station.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I get the Pilot/booster reference
but he’s way off otherwise.
I do enjoy the cheese factor of
SportsNation. I’ll give him a pass.
Looking away from the actual aggravated robbery and into what the woman and what Janzen Jackson could be facing, I found this web page. Now then, first and foremost, I don’t know if Jackson can get hit with the robbery charge. He wasn’t at the most immediate scene of the crime (he was described as coming up after the demands for money were met) and did not make any comments to the victims to indicate that he was, in any way, hostile towards them.
So, if he doesn’t get hit with the robbery charge, can he be hit with something else, or be considered an accomplice? From the page:
To prove that a defendant is an accomplice, the government must prove that he or she intentionally aided in the commission of a crime. This means that the defendant must realize that the principal is going to commit a crime and that the accomplice intends to help the crime succeed.
To distinguish the criminal culpability of one from another, the common law developed specialized terms for the various ways in which one could be an accomplice. For instance, a “principal in the first degree” was the person who actually carried out a crime. A “principal in the second degree” (an “aider and abettor”) was a helper who was present at a crime scene but in a passive role, such as acting as a “lookout.” An “accessory before the fact” was a helper who was not present at the crime scene. While some state laws retain the common law terminology, few states make any distinction between the criminal liability of crime perpetrators and their accomplices. All can be punished equally, whether they actually perpetrate a crime or only help bring it about.
So, with that in mind, one has to prove the questions: Did Janzen Jackson know that Nuke and Mike were going to commit a crime? It’s not definite; the two could very easily have had the pellet gun concealed in their hoodies and pulled them out when the car stopped. Yes, this is wishful/hopeful thinking on my part, but I’ve been in a situation like that, though in this case my friends decided to randomly light up a bong in a dorm room (I didn’t even know they smoked pot!) and I got caught for being there. Though, the cops weren’t called on us (thank god!).
The second question is did he help? Early evidence points at “no.” He didn’t provide the car, and unless he provided the gun or the hoodies, the second of which is highly unlikely, I can’t see how he could be called a helper in this. The testimony that he approached the situation and told the two to stop will likely go a long way in helping clear his name.
Despite that, all three of these players should be suspended indefinitely from the team, which I imagine that they will be. Those players who are found guilty should be dismissed from the team, and those that are found innocent should be allowed to be re-instated, with the missed games the punishment for their stupidity.
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Intent will be everything here.
Whether Janzen was an accomplice or just in the wrong place, his actions could very well have occurred as has been reported. It’s going to come down to testimony, I believe.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly
Intent might only matter to Kiffin & crew. As it said, he would have to have the intent of _and _ help out the crime to get bagged with a similar punishment, and even then it’s usually lighter than the heavy felony. However, intent should be everything to Kiffin, without a doubt.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Seems like this is the only question in terms of majority opinion
Nu’Keese and Edwards have to go…how involved was Janzen, and how much does he get punished? And does the fact that he already served a one game suspension make a difference?
by Will Shelton on Nov 12, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Despite that, all three of these players should be suspended indefinitely from the team, which I imagine that they will be. Those players who are found guilty should be dismissed from the team, and those that are found innocent should be allowed to be re-instated, with the missed games the punishment for their stupidity.
I think the most likely immediate response from Kiffin is an indefinite suspension of all players involved. If the facts being reported so far prove (to Kiffin) to be true, Nu’Keese and Edwards should eventually be dismissed from the team. Jackson is a tougher question, but perhaps he could be suspended for the remainder of this season and given a second (and final) chance to straighten up and fly right.
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I completely agree
And I’ve been in the same situation regarding lighting up bongs. Actually, the room was really large and I was talking to another friend in the corner, so I didn’t even notice it until someone came over and asked if I wanted a hit.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Just tuning in here....
and I keep asking myself…Is it really even possible to be that stupid?
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what a fail
anyone else watch Weeds? i couldn’t help but think of the episode where Mary Louise Parker convinces a bunch of thugs/drug dealers to buy a Prius so that no one will here them roll up when they do a drive-by shooting.
that kind of sick humor is all i can really summon right now.
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
You mean
“I shot Marvin in the fa…”???
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Channeling my inner Official
After Video Replay, the evidence is conclusive that that is not Nu’Keese Richardson. Touchdown Florida.
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By the way
This is making the Critique of Pure Reason less fun than it already was.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 10:43 AM EST reply actions
That's it !!
I’m quitting my job and moving to KnoxVagas ! I’m going to open up a head shop and a law firm with Johnny Cochran. I figure the money i would make on both sides I could retire in two years ! How freakin stupid can you be !!!
Dan Willmams and Hardesty are the real deal ! Go Vols !
That might be a problem
Cochran is dead.
by 12NationalChampionships on Nov 12, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
That is a problem ! Did not know that ! Back to the drawing board. Dang it !
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Atlanta radio is gonna be terrible today
They’re gonna absolutely let us have it. The Georgia game had gotten them to quit talking about Kiffin like he was a joke. Now that’s gonna be for naught.
Nah.
Our felons can defend the pass. Without Jackson and Nuke it would’ve been what, 45-26?
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by Holly Anderson on Nov 12, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Roflmao
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Appreciate the levity
This whole thing is so embarrassing. Kiffin must be furious right now. What you wanna bet that he pulled strings and DaCoachO is waiting in a windowless room in the station for the three stooges, pushing up his sleeves?
It's the only reaction I got.
Well, rage came first, but this is a family blog.
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by Holly Anderson on Nov 12, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
To Clear something up
One of the sources I was looking at was, in a word, retarded. A Robbery itself is a Class-C Felony, which is punishable by 3-15 years in prison. An aggrevated Robbery is a Class-B Felony, which is punishable from 8-30 years.
Based off of the mitigating factors I would think the sentencing would be near the bottom of that range, probably the minimum charge, really. I’ll go into why, from what I can tell from reading the lawbook (which I’m actually doing now) I think the sentencing would be lesser.
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Not lesser than the range
On the smaller end of the range, though.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, good Lord
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Hurrah, we're national!
All part of the plan. ALL PART OF THE PLAN.
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by Holly Anderson on Nov 12, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Good morning...
On the list of things I expected to see when I came back to the ol’ home office this morning, this was not on it. Wow. Just wow.
Great piece of PR for the program, attempted armed robberty in an “Impossible is Nothing” official UT adidas gear. Maybe now they’ll drop us and we can sign Josh Selby after all. Displacement, woo!
This from Hamilton, if you haven't seen it already:
"At this time we are currently evaluating the circumstances surrounding an incident involving Mike Edwards, Janzen Jackson and Nu’Keese Richardson," Hamilton said. "Any decisions or comments regarding their status will not be made until the evaluations are complete." (from GVX main link, updated)
Guess this could be worse.
Could have happened the day before the Ole Miss game, instead of two days before. How much does this affect team focus?
At least
it gives them an excuse if they lay an egg. Or it could be extra motivation to show how resilient the team can be in face of adversity.
I hope Kiffin uses this to motivate the good apples.
Come out mean and ready to hit somebody on Saturday.
When my college soccer team
Had two players indefinitely suspended for rule-breaking (not felony-committing though), we did a lot of running the next day, and the day after we took a much better team (they’d beaten us 9-1 the year before) to double OT on the road before losing 3-2 on a bad call.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
you ask for world class recruiting...
you’re going to get some idiots. it was bound to happen at some point. the trick will be to lay down the law in no uncertain terms to let kids know that this mess won’t fly at Tennessee.
did any of these guys have known rap-sheets coming in? something tells me you don’t just get bored and decide to go rob somebody at 2am.
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I wonder if it isn't already.
They already account for risk in terms of things like academics. But wow, it’d be difficult to establish metrics for arrest risks. Then imagine doing that without getting in trouble for profiling charges.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
criminal acts in college organized by # of stars as a recruit
would be really interesting to me.
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sweet lord.
Waking up to this = not good.
Au revoir, Edwards and Nu’keese…and janzen?
I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.
I just read on ESPN
that Jackson (according to two sources) failed a drug screen and that is why he was suspended a week ago or whenever…If the glove dont fit……………oh wait we arent bright enough to use gloves or any other preventive lets dont get caught and ruin our lives measures…..
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by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 11:44 AM EST reply actions
Preventative measures
like going to bed?
I mean, three 18-year old football players out with a 21-year old gal at 2 of the early o’clock. There are so many things that can go wrong in this situation it’s just mind-boggling.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
And very little things that can go right.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
As I said on 3SIB
I was an undergrad last year. I remember what can go right at 2 AM on a weeknight:
Taco Bell.
I wish we had one here in the outskirts of Boston. I still have a college student budget.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Taco Bell at 2 AM
Means not good at 2:30 AM.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
You also have to have the digestive system
of a college student.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So how will this affect the game as far as depth goes on Saturday?
I’m not familiar with your depth chart.
Janzen Jackson is the starting free safety
Nu’Keese was a kick returner, sometimes wildcat specialist and 5th WR on the depth chart. Mike Edwards is a second team CB. All three had really, really bright futures…Jackson is a huge loss for the present.
by Will Shelton on Nov 12, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
None of those players started last week
One is a regular starter but was suspended last week for reportedly failing a drug test.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Nuke's loss isn't too big of a deal.
He was still going through the growing pains. Edwards played some, but Jackson is a huge loss. He was the other safety, and he has already been a major, major contributor. He plays the deep safety, and UT has been among the best in the nation at not getting burned deep because of him.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
On SportsCenter's side-scroll right now
“Haynesworth Fined” followed by “Vols Arrested”. Good times
by Will Shelton on Nov 12, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Even though they did get caught fairly quick ....the end result was inevitable...
NUKE had already updated his facebook page bragging about the heist
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by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions
Ah, iPhones.
A prosecutor’s best friend. Nothing like placing your knee-jerk, unmoderated thoughts onto the web in the heat of the moment.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
please tell me this is just an unsubstantiated rumor.
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that was just a joke....
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by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Street Cred: A How To:
Step 1: Claim to have street cred.
Step 2: Do something moronic.
Now the Volunteers just need to start rapping. Oh wait.
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GVX continues to update
I’m listening to Sports Animal online, who pointed out that GVX now has mug shots in their story. Bond numbers in the tens of thousands, if that hasn’t already been mentioned.
A $119,000 bond for the woman
Seems absolutely ludicrous, all she had extra was a simple possession charge. If that number wasn’t a type .. sheesh.
Richardson and Edwards are being sentenced worse than Jackson, from what the bonds say. The first two were held for $19,500, Jackson for $15,000.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
drug laws in this country are ridiculous.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
slightly related
did anybody see the Len Bias documentary on ESPN 30 for 30 last week? Very interesting on drug possession laws
by Will Shelton on Nov 12, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
It was excellent all around.
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Obviously you guys aren't paying your players enough.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
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by Zoltar on Nov 12, 2009 11:52 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
It just keeps getting dumber...
…what part of 1998 HYUNDAI ELANTRA!!! says “rob me, I’m loaded”?
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
Spinners.
I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.
by RockyTopinKY on Nov 12, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Street Cred
boosted! Maybe you’ll get another shout out from the guy with the pink camo hoodie and the “Rape” belt buckle.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Please, contain your jealousy.
It’s unseemly. ;)
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by Holly Anderson on Nov 12, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
oh yes, I wish I could afford a gold "RAPE" belt buckle.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Except its "BAPE"
its a clothing company, fact check that
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
LIL WAYNE WEARS CLOTHES THAT RHYME WITH RAPE AND THAT IS THE SAME THING
Mmmm, anybody want some grapes?
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by Holly Anderson on Nov 12, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Gimme all the grapes you have
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
well it sure as hell looks like a R.
I guess it could be a B, but the way it runs into the bottom of the A makes it look like a R. Whoever designed that must be half retarded, because just looking at it the vast majority of people are going to see “RAPE”.
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
Do the vast majority of people close their R's at the bottom?
Because I don’t.
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well if your going to get all analytical
you can see a little white line. Also who has even heard of bape?
What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.
-Hank Hill
I will get all analytical
The little white line is clearly not at the bottom of the “R”. It is in the middle, dude.
I have now heard of BAPE. Thank you, Holly.
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And when I say "the R"...
…I mean, “every capital R.”
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I have heard of Bape
Good clothing company. I have some items from their boutique line, Aggbavated Bape.
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by birdjam on Nov 12, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
a winner is you
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I went to go double check that it was Bape and not Rape as soon as I first read it
So I did. Or is this a rhetorical question? If it is, I’ve still heard of it. But then again, I spent 18 years in Memphis…
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Why is this still here?
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
The way I see it...
Getting out of Florida: FREEDOM!
Four years of free out-of-state college: $100,000
A shot at the NFL draft: $millions
Throwing it all away so you can end up on $17000 bond for pulling a heist on two broke guys in a Hyundai Elantra:
It’s not priceless.
It’s stupid. And it’s heartbreaking.
by lol vol on Nov 12, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
well done
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
heartbreaking
Don’t guess you’ll be entering that in the haiku contest.
Anyway something still smells about this whole deal. Setup?
Ain't it good to be alive and be in Tennessee!
It's just too perfect.
I’m NOT saying setup, I just mean that if you scripted this, it couldn’t have come at a worse time. Impressive.
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by Holly Anderson on Nov 12, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Sports Animal makes a good point:
if you kicked Brandon Warren off the team for “attitude problems” or whatever, how can you not kick all three of these guys?
I bet all three will be gone.
The only one with any hope is Janzen, but that really seems a little dim to bank on at the moment.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
if he already failed a dope test
i’m guessing hanging out in a car with weed/paraphernalia @ 2am would be enough to get him booted, let alone the armed robbery stuff.
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and at what point in this story...
did we draw a line of rationality? i’m not saying it’s true but when we got to the part about the prius i said “to heck with it” and stopped trying to expect anything resembling regular sanity in connection with what happened in that parking lot.
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so says Zoltar friend of Nukeese Richards???
where did you find this?
by golfballs03 on Nov 12, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Dude
Don’t pay attention to the Bama trolls.
The VOR is the idiot that said this to begin with.
Also, Nuke may be a complete idiot, but I’m sure he would at least put his last name in correctly on facebook.
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
lighten up thought that was an obvoius attempt at humor key word attempt
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Of course, this is from the guy who thought "Bape" was "rape."
Nice one.
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Retire #9!
Yes he does
And the hoodie, except his is “money green”
I told you we would beat Georgia!! Now, as for those 9 wins in '09......
Lane Kiffin owns lake-front property in Corch Urbie Meyers's head.
It's
" playa’ "
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks ! Thats what it sounded like in my head !
Dan Willmams and Hardesty are the real deal ! Go Vols !
Ah. Didn't even catch that
It’s sad that I’ve come to expect things to be this stupid.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
i'm rolling on the floor laughing
that people thought that was serious.
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-Hank Hill
Nice recovery, slugger.
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by Holly Anderson on Nov 12, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. You can recognize Vols fans today.
Even in business suits, they all have bruised foreheads or hand-shaped marks on their face from facepalming too vigorously.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Good thing it isn't Ash Wednesday
It’d be tough again.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone think that Lane might regret his street cred twitter right about now?
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by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions
no
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
But think of all the great lyric opportunities for all the rappers to reference!!!!!!
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by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions
In what we all thought to be a mindless act of recklessness by an immature dumb teenager...
its turns out it was just a calculated sly out of the box way to get the program back where it needs to be!!! in the headlines……one way other the other….Master meet student ….and who says the kids dont pay attention to their role models
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by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions
Now we all hope that Herman Lathers platelets and spleen do not explode
before the end of the season.
I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.
I hope that never happens.
Ever, ever, ever.
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by bobo_the_vol on Nov 12, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
or ever.
I feel bad that he has to take all that treatment just to be able to play or even live. Sad sad.
I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.
by RockyTopinKY on Nov 12, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Rumor
is that all charges against JJ will be dropped. Edwards and Nuke are toast.
Allegedly, JJ either walked up on the scene or was completely unaware of what the other two were up to.
Just heard from a little bird… take it for what it currently is, an internet rumor.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
This was from a source very close to the situation
but it is still unsubstantiated. JJ might get kicked off the team anyway.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
So he was just walking the streets at 2 am and happened upon his two teammates
and a pot smoking mexican girl. Then being the good Samaritan he told them yeah we should leave after his teammates tried to rob some people in an Hyundai. He was already suspended for smoking dope. He is gone too.
Really I want some of what you are having to believe he had to pay a 15k bond and is getting off Scott free.
LOL….
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by Bham03UAgrad on Nov 12, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
This is the difference between speculation and conclusion:
We’re all free to look at all the possibilities on the table, no matter how much (or little) credence we actually give them. Then we wait for this little thing called ‘due process’ to do the dirty work for us.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
does anyone know
if upon arrest they would be drug tested to see if they were partaking with the girl?
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Thats a good question
Im unfamiliar with the drug laws in tennessee anymore, but I would expect that if they found marijuana on a group of robbers they would probably check them all to bolster their case.
But then again, I also believe they have the right to refuse such a test, which they may have done if they had adequate representation with them upon arrest.
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I would think undoubtedly.
I’m not 100%, but I thought that drug tests were SOP on arrests. And if the city doesn’t do it, the university probably has a mandatory policy on it.
(Not that it applies here, but it was that way with our people when I was in the Navy. Detainment by civil authorities = pee in the cup. And we’d even send our own guy over to pick them up and drive them back to base.)
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
And in response-ish to PotS's comment:
The big difference was that you signed away rights of refusal when joining the military. So it’s not a parallel situation.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
If the cops didn't the athletic dept will .
And that might be the only hope for jj . If it shows up + he too will be gone .
Dan Willmams and Hardesty are the real deal ! Go Vols !
now he just failed a drug test, and there hasn't been adequate time for the previous positive test to dissipate
Just throwing that out there, I don’t know how that may or may not affect that situation.
But it takes about 2 weeks for a urine test to come clean after marijuana use. Though if he recently used, there may be a spike in the test and higher levels than the previous test which would indicate post-positive use.
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
i was just about to post this
do we know when he actually took the test he failed? urine tests also can still nab you up to a month for weed depending on usage amount/frequency, and body fat/metabolism. a high class athlete should be on the short side of things, though if he was a ricky williams type before he got caught it could be more.
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Constant water intake will also dilute the sample
which an athlete will be drinking much of. A hair sample will last 3+ months (6 if its from the nape), but if the police dept administered it, it could have very well been a blood test too, which would probably the most accurate of all three. I don’t know what results of these look like, but most just list potential narcotics and the parts-per-million of that found in their system.
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
puff puff give ! He probably will pee to warm ! to bad to sad !
Dan Willmams and Hardesty are the real deal ! Go Vols !
JJ was released on his own recognisance (sp?)
So he did not have to post bond?
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
JANZEN JACKSON WAS THE VICTIM??!!??!!11!!?!?!!!1!15???
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not the victim
Just saying once things shake out he might not be formally charged w anything.
Answering to Kiffin and the university is a different question.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Sports Talk reporting at this hour
That Jackson was inside the store when events took place, and that all three are still in custody
Whats happened has happened....now two things can come of this..
1. Kiffen kicks all 3 off team and sets the precedent and foundation for a solid program.
2. Kiffen lets Jackson stay on the team because he finds a loophole legally and sets the precedent for the type of program he wants in future Talent Potential> Character Issues….remember Jackson was just suspended LAST WEEK for failing a drug test.
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions
K-I-F-F-I-N
Hes in your conference, at least learn how to spell his name, I know you’re holding out hope that he won’t stay and therefore you might not ever need to learn to spell his name, but hes not going anywhere, so learn it.
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he spends enough time here spouting BS
Hes either ig’nant or lame-trolling
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
bothe
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
If I was a Vol I would want Jackson off the team regardless of how he spins his involvement
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by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions
Let's not talk about spin, let's talk about what happened
1. Jackson was with the guys, goes into the convenience store to give an appearance of legitimacy while Nuke and Mike rob folks. Jackson is off the team. This scenario seems unlikely.
2. Jackson was with the guys, goes into the convenience store, sees his friends brandishing a gun and says “guys, we need to leave” to keep them from doing anything more stupid than they already have (i.e. shoot someone). Tough call, but IMO, Jackson stays on the team with a suspension.
3. Jackson walks out of a convenience store, sees his friends getting confrontational, doesn’t see the gun, tells them “we need to leave” to prevent anything bad from starting up. Jackson stays on the team with no suspension. This also seems unlikely, although probably more likely than #1.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Me too.
But I think #2 is most likely at this point.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Even if 2 or 3 are truthful
Im leaning to kick him off, he had his chance last week, he should’ve known not to put himself in that situation, he broke that trust so kick him to the curb.
^ It hurts to type that.
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
If #2 is true (which, as I said, is IMO the most likely), you have an argument
If #3 is true, he hasn’t done anything to put himself in the situation. It was pure bad luck. He went out to get a snack from a convenience store, kept his friends from starting a fight, and then gets arrested? He’d be more confused than anything.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
- is most probable and I would lean to give him the boot, however you cant punish someone for getting the munchies early in the morning. I mean, there is a reason Taco Bell stays open virtually 24 hours…
Note; IF the munchies were pot related we have another issue all together.
Agreed
If pot, then bad news.
If random munchies, we have no problem.
I disagree that #1 is most likely. Who goes into the store to keep a lookout? Shouldn’t they be more concerned with people coming in from the road? #2 seems most likely to me.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
You probably did.
SBN interprets a leading ‘#[number]’ as a list entry and auto-numbers for you.
They’re so helpful!
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
It's a fairly common blog convention.
Somebody thought it was ‘helpful’. Everybody else played follow-the-leader.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
But shouldn't they have been at the Taco Bell ? "munchies"
I’ll have 37 taco please and a diet coke. Thanks !
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Maybe he wanted chips or a candy bar
Not everyone likes Taco Bell. Although he is a college student. . .
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Of course, you don't get to Taco Bell by driving down Neyland.
Not a food place open for a while that way.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I could make an argument for a suspension for the rest of the year, including a bowl game.
That would at least give him time to prove to Kiffin that he’ll keep clean.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
the way things are shaping up: JJ wasn’t directly involved in the robbery, and at worst was smoking dope, then suspend him for the year.
We'll see.
I’ve yet to hear anything beyond rumor about JJ. But I do hope. Even if he never plays again, I’d liek to think that he wasn’t actively involved in a felony.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
If he wasn't involved in the incident then why a one year suspension?
What would you be suspending him for?……weed?
________________________________
Eric Berry is better at football than you.
If he isnt kicked off the team. That looks awful for your team.
Isn’t there already a convicted rapist on the team.
A friend of my family spent 18 months in jail cause he was in the car when a friend of his went in and wrote a bad/forged check. It is called being an accomplice. He should get jail time maybe not as much but he should end up in jail.
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by Bham03UAgrad on Nov 12, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Dont you have a bunch of convicted cheaters on YOUR team?
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. They just like to read a lot.
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"If wanting to win is a fault, as some of my critics seem to insist, then I plead guilty. I like to win. I know no other way. It's in my blood."- The Bear
by Bham03UAgrad on Nov 12, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
better than going out for midnite munchies...
I wish our players read more…
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
The friend of your family
had a terrible lawyer
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Nov 12, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Haha. I didn't see your comment.
________________________________
Eric Berry is better at football than you.
complicity still requires intent
Your family friend either has a really dumb lawyer, or there is more to the story.
________________________________
Eric Berry is better at football than you.
4. Jackson fails a drug test the week prior and is punished by suspending him for the game to try to teach him a lesson.
Jackson is not caught one week later at 2AM with some friends caught up in a felony and has more weed issues as it is found in the vehicle. There does come a point when you just look at the facts and say ok he got his chance last week and he blew it. I do feel though as the charges start to actually unfold that he will be cleared of his involvement in the felony robbery. My take is that it actually will help your program in the long run if you set the precedent for this type of action. So in the future if a recruit is caught using drugs he is given ONE opportunity to get his stuff together. If you allow him back you are essentially telling your guys that you work on a 3 strike policy so go ahead and make sure you use your 2 freebies.
Great Game Hokies! What a battle!
by The Voice of Reason on Nov 13, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
My first reaction too
however if he had no role in this he should be allowed to stay. If the report that will posted is true (that JJ was in the store) why should he be punished?
That said, I find it very hard to believe he is in the clear.
Just one question, VOR:
Are you of the opinion that JJ can in no way be innocent?
(I’m not going to criticize your opinion at all. Just want to understand your POV.)
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Just speculating ...but i find it very very unlikely that he is the poor innocent friend that was kept out of the situation because they knew he would be against it
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by The Voice of Reason on Nov 12, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
k
ftr, I’m witholding judgment. I feel a little too close to the situation (i.e. on campus).
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Jimmy Hyams also said
That marijuana was found on two of the men inside the car, and that when asked why they did it, one of them replied “We were bored.” There was no identification of which two guys had drugs on them…if one of those was Jackson, that’s trouble even if he wasn’t involved in the robbery. I see no way Jackson gets away with anything less than a suspension, probably for the rest of the year.
Wasn't NuKeese
First commited to Fla ? And if so should we not have had seen this coming . i mean the gators and everthing !
Dan Willmams and Hardesty are the real deal ! Go Vols !
Lets give Urbie a call, talk to his attorney on retainer, he prob has it on speed dial
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
News-Sentinel continues to update their story, now with quotes from the victims
In an interview this afternoon, Zickefoose and Smith told the News Sentinel they had no inkling beforehand that the people in the parking lot were about to attempt a robbery. Even during the incident, Zickefoose, who was driving, said the man with the weapon wasn’t overly aggressive.
“I could just tell he wasn’t going to shoot me. He didn’t have too much authority,” Zickefoose said.
The victims said they showed the two men their empty wallets and said they had no money.
“I said, ‘Sorry, we don’t have anything to give you.’ " Zickefoose said.
“We ain’t got nothing but a cheeseburger,” Smith added, “but they didn’t take that.”
A third man then approached the car and told the other two men in hoodies, “We’ve got to go,” DeBusk said.
The three men got into a 2010 Toyota Prius driven by a woman and fled the area. Zickefoose said he glanced at the Prius during the attempted heist and noted the woman seemed amused.
“She was smiling, with a big grin on her face,” Zickefoose said (same link as in post)
Did the three of them (Mike, Nuke, and the driver)
Think this was a prank? It kinda sounds that way. If so, they have the stupidest sense of humor EVER.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. This.
But it kinda sounds that way. I’m forced to ask myself if they’re really that stupid.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
i agree!
this is like the bubble boy story! They’re going to come out and say it was all part of a TV show.
Incidentally Zickefoose was last seen petting a hairless cat and laughing maniacally
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
It should also include a monocle and a scar
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
so do we lose street cred
if our guys can’t even convince a hyundai full of teenagers that they should be afraid of him and his “gun”?
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to rephrase
is lil’ wayne a fan of america’s dumbest criminals?
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I've got to get a towel I'm crying over here ! funny very funny !
Dan Willmams and Hardesty are the real deal ! Go Vols !
Yeah
Collateral damage in a dorm battle.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
try hit the knuckles
most bang for your buck
what's RTT's commenting record on non-game threads?
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I don't know.
But this may very well win out. 521 prior to this comment.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Its a shame, its really dragging the party away from the Record of Wrongs
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by Pride of the Southland on Nov 12, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the timing didn't work out too well for us on that one.
The RoW went up what, about an hour or so before this broke out?
/fizzle
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Right up there with my scheduled post that went up at 10
about how well everything is going for us
by Will Shelton on Nov 12, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I did get a chuckle out of that.
Confession: when it went live, I scanned through it quickly to see if some emergency edits were in order. (They weren’t.)
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
It's easy!
When UT has the ball, you cheer for the offense.
Otherwise, cheer for the defense. That way, you get to cheer for both sides of the ball!
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
It also forced some schedule changes on us today. My feature piece on UGA (the mascot) is delayed.
Ol’ Roy: The Untold Story
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
doh
sposed to be a response to gettin shot with the airguns
For those waiting for more info
Wes Rucker mentioned that UT’s practice is scheduled to end around 5:30, which is when Kiffin usually talks to the media. I’d say if any further info is coming today, it’ll be then.
Awww...
Now everybody’ll go away for 45 minutes…
;-)
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Updated from above
WBIR is reporting that Jackson has been released on his own recognizance, claims innocence
Sounding much better on Jackson being innocent of robbery charges
Hopefully the drug charges are false too, and he really was just in the wrong place at the wrong time
by Will Shelton on Nov 12, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
And the waiting game begins.
Now we wait for the university’s whiz test and for the smoke to clear.
Setting football completely aside, I really hope he’s in the clear.
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Oh good grief...
Can it get any worse?! WBIR is reporting that they found that Prius back at Gibbs Hall. They tried to rob somebody at (pellet)gunpoint and then drove back to the dorms in their Prius like good little boys and girls?! Man.
This is sounding dumber and dumber the more it goes on.
Stupid stupid stupid….
That would fit with the idea that Jackson is innocent
If he were just trying to break up a potential fight, he would try to get them to go back to the dorm.
It would also fit with the idea that Nuke and Mike are STUPID.
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 12, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
yeah it also
fits with the jackson is stoned idea. note who went in to buy food.
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so legal minds:
does the fact that his bond was reduced mean anything as far as what the cops think about his role in the whole thing? what, if anything, do we read into the bond reduction?
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guidelines, folks
After defending incredibly stupid (and guilty) folks…it means one of three things.
1. (chipper optimistic scenario that almost is never correct), wrong place, wrong time.
2. Janz is the least culpable, and is capable of being flipped with some time alone (e.g., mom/dad, coach, lawya).
3. Janz already totally flipped on their [FULMERIZED], whether he was guilty or not.
betting line is 5/2 on No. 3.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 12, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
That was experential...
not predictive…
Hence the betting line. But, I should add, that No. 3 is a great option (legally and professionally. Get booted for a year. Come back, two more good years, 1st Rounder).
And apologies for language.
Y’all need to hit Richard up, since he does this full time…it’s more part of the job for me.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Nov 12, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Brent Hubbs coming on sports talk next
If there’s new information out there, i’d trust him to have it
I have to sign out for a bit.
Let us know what he says, will you?
by David Hooper on Nov 12, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
He's mentioning surveilance tapes, etc still being investigated
that will probably round out the evidence on Jackson’s involvement.
by Will Shelton on Nov 12, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Zickefoose. Corey Zickefoose.
One of the victims was interviewed by WATE:
Corey B. Zickefoose, 20, said he was sitting in the driver’s seat of a 1998 Hyundai Elantra on Cumberland Ave. when one of the players pulled a gun and demanded money.
But that’s not enough to prevent the players from being kicked off the team, he told 6 News.
“I think they should still be able to play football, regardless,” he said. “Tennessee is my place. It’s my football team.”
“Even after they put a gun in your face, you say let them play football?” 6 News asked.
“Yeah, it’s Tennessee. That’s the way it is sometimes,” Zickefoose said
That's what we get for stealing from Florida and LSU. Suspend or dismiss the thugs now.
Kick off the team – the idiot with the pellet gun who wuz hangin wid da dope-smokin chick.
(Good thing it wasn’t Memphis because no idiot brings a pellet gun to a real gun fight or an armed robbery).
Suspend for several games anyone else in the neighborhood for being around stupidity.
They just played a clip of an interview with the victims on Finebaum
According to his statement the players fled when the gas station employee saw them and came outside.
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-Hank Hill
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What a dumb[FULMERIZED].
I have refrainedfrom posting so far. But srsly? The guy gets robbed at gunpoint, and is such a homer, he still thinks they should get to play???
by rolltidefromaz on Nov 12, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yep…
welcome to the face of SEC football.
by CabanX on Nov 12, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
these are my thoughts on what happened
jackson went in to pilot to by something (probably some swisher sweets)
nuke and mike thought it would be funny to pretend to rob someone
JJ came out, said lets get the FULMER out of here.
Zickefoose & Co told PoPo’s what happened
KPD dispatched the SWAT team and helicopter to find the threat to our national security
They found a pellet gun and some weed.
Zickefoose laughed it off… no big deal.
paparazzi shows
colin cowherd claims bill haslam was robbed at gun point
national saga
florida and bama fan lectures Tenn on ethics
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