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It's been a while since we've had an early game, so we're not exactly used to having games after the Vols play.  If you're still watching, feel free to give us some thoughts.  Also feel free to exhale about the Tennessee Volunteers loss some more if you haven't already done so.  Just remember:  it's never a good idea to go to bed angry.

Also on tap is the Auburn Tigers / Georgia Bulldogs tilt, which has huge implications for Tennessee's divisional standings:  a loss by Georgia re-establishes Tennessee in the driver's seat for second place - a feat that very few people thought was possible at the beginning of the season.

Other topics:

  • Upsets.  What are your thoughts on USC or Houston?
  • Bowl Standings.  Where do you see Tennessee going?  What about the rest of the SEC?
  • BlogPoll Rankings.  How do you see teams moving?  Which teams will give the computers problems?

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Glas USC Lost...

they are always overrated, especially this year with a Freshman QB. Houston is dumb too. Keenum shouldn’t win the Heisman because his team throws the ball 40-50 times every game, so his numbers will be outstanding.

I hope UT gets into a decent bowl, and I hope they are matched with a good team, so it will be a great game. I think a bowl game win will do wonders for recruiting and next year’s team.

I think Iowa will drop quite a bit because people weren’t respecting them while they were winning, so now that they have lost 2 they will be dropping. Ohio State on the other hand will move up. USC should drop outside the top 20, and Stanford should be in the top 25 now.

by KnoxVegas on Nov 14, 2009 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

I'm thinking Chik-Fil-a for UT.

And if so, we as fans ought to be happy with it.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm thinking Chick-fil-A

And I’m not happy with it. New Year’s Eve is the one night of the year that my girlfriend really wants to go out and do something. She is very, very upset that we have a night game. And if she is upset, things aren’t fun for me.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

ok, that I'll give you.

I just meant in the context of team progress.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, I know

I don’t think there’s any more hope I can hold out for the Outback though. Auburn’s ahead of us. We can’t catch them. If Ole Miss loses to both LSU and MSU, they’ll be 3-5 in conference. If we can finish 4-4 in conference, we might get picked ahead of them, head to head notwithstanding. But I’m not too sanguine about it.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that could do it too

Forgot Georgia still had Kentucky left.

I think we honestly have a better shot with Ole Miss. MSU can pull an upset, and we would be legit to pick first if we had a better conference record.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

If it's UT-VT

I’ll do cartwheels. Worried Clemson might slip in there though if they don’t win the ACC title game

Rocky Top Talk

by Will Shelton on Nov 14, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

My best friend is from Da Noke

I’ll be ecstatic with UT/VT ONLY if we win.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed, totally

I live here, so yes, if we lose it would be intolerable

Rocky Top Talk

by Will Shelton on Nov 14, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

UT-VT Match up made in....... heaven ??

Guys you all know I have been wanting this match up. I was disappointed by what I saw out of the defense today and that this loss more than likely knocks us out of a legit shot at the Outback Bowl. However I do think that with the extra time and effort the coaches will put into game prep for a bowl game with the national attention of the Chick-fil-A Bowl I feel like the UT coaching staff will have the guys pumped up and ready to play. We still have to finish out the season with 2 good wins over Vandy and a UK team that might not be such a push over. The UK game could slip up on us if we are not 100% prepared. I do believe if we have solid wins in both of the last games the confidence and the game prep from the coaches can lead us into ATL for a solid win over VT. Granted I’d love to BLOW VT out . Realistically I think it would be maybe a 24 – 17 game for us. What are your thoughts ??

by Roanoke_Vol on Nov 14, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Miami lost to UNC

Which means the Heels have now taken down both the ‘Canes and Hokies. Does that mean they’re finally pulling things together? They only have three losses. GT is excusable. Virginny and FSU not so much.

Out west, Stanford has now destroyed USC and Oregon in consecutive weeks. They also only have three losses, all on the road by less than 10 (Wake, Arizona, Oregon State).

Stanford has obviously been much more impressive, but both of these teams are in position to make some serious moves. And the teams they beat are in position to drop out of the top 15, probably down to the 20-25 range. Ohio State and Iowa can jump back ahead of them (although Oregon, imo, is still better, pending tonight’s game)

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

There are a lot of teams that are much different late than early.

Today notwithstanding, Tennessee is one. But Stanford and UNC are others. USC has regressed.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

USC's regression

certainly makes Oregon look a little less dominant. But I’d still take them over Ohio State.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

The only problem with watching a game in Starkville

is that those cowbells make the audio sound like trash.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

The way it should work, I think:

BCS: Florida
BCS: Alabama
CapOne: LSU
Cotton: Auburn
Outback: Ole Miss
CFA: Vols
Liberty: Arkansas
Music City: Georgia
Independence: Carolina
PapaJohns.com: UK

That’s what seems fair to me, if favorites win out.

Rocky Top Talk

by Will Shelton on Nov 14, 2009 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

And the boos rain down from high above Sanford Stadium!

Auburn will carve them up one side, and Georgia Tech down the other

Rocky Top Talk

by Will Shelton on Nov 14, 2009 7:34 PM EST reply actions  

Wow

Another three and out for Georgia. How bad can they get?

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions  

I would not mind to see them lose to Kentucky

Speaking of which. . . is anyone else worried about the Kentucky game now that we’ve fallen to 0-3 on the road and looked like crap doing it?

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Vaguely worried.

Only if they don’t take UK seriously.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Thinking more about it:

I am worried about linebacker depth. I think we’ll be ok against Vandy, but that’s not a lot of time to gain experience.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

That’s what worries me. That and that we probably won’t have Janzen.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

But the streak!

I can’t be there on the day the streak ends. It’ll only be my fifth UT game.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

UT should still be the favorite.

UK will be on something like their 11th game in a row without a break and depth is not exactly their strong suit.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I cannot be present when the streak goes down.

My boyfriend has said it is THEIR year for the past 3. I don’t want to make him right. One of the streaks are going down.

Our winning streak.
Or Lane’s losing streak on the road.

I will have to move out of the bluegrass. :-(

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

ESPN 360 is awesome.

They’re blacking out the Pitt-ND game, which saves me the trouble.

Thanks, ESPN!

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions  

A first down!

It only took UGA until the second quarter.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah

I may be in the minority, but I think TCU’s jerseys look fairly sharp. Helmets are a bit iffy though

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, I'm gonna go heat up some ravioli

Which I guess will make this thread empty. We’ll see how the games are going in a few.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

Heh.

I just had ravioli myself. Had to leave quickly on that.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Was yours frozen

Or are you a more high-class grad student than I am?

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a married one.

The ravioli was frozen, but the sauce homemade. :-D

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way

The Big 12 North continues to be random, as Mizzou rolls K-State.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

Dude!!

Take a look at the LSU La Tech gamecast. The La Tech logo is dominating all!

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Nov 14, 2009 8:35 PM EST reply actions  

The score is strange, too.

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Nov 14, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice return by TCU

They may just blow this one wide open.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe I was prophetic

Review to determine whether TCU gets the TD to go up 28-7.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

And TCU leads 28-7

Meanwhile, LT takes a 13-10 halftime lead in Red Stick. Did that one have a channelsurfing feed?

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 8:44 PM EST reply actions  

Also

In the possible apocalyptic Outback Bowl scenarios: LSU loses to LT, Ole Miss, and Arkansas would drop them to 7-5 (4-4) and make them losers of four straight. We’d get picked ahead of them with two wins.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The MWC needs an undefeated TCU.

Wyoming losing that won’t hurt their AQ bid, but TCU losing would I’m ok with the inevitable.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW

Eyeball test has TCU over Cincy (which we’d had already). And I’d love to see Texas stumble to give TCU a shot at the SEC Champ.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, going by resume alone

TCU has a serious argument for #1. None of the top three have been super impressive this year.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I would think so, too.

At the very least, I’d like them in the NC game if when they win out.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too

But we need an upset. If Auburn can bite Bammer, and then Bama can beat UF, I’d love to see TCU embarrass Texas in the final.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Big gainer

TCU down to the Utah 30. Wow. Wow.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

The announcers just called the rest of the WAC

‘a bunch of JV kids’. Is there any more reason needed for Boise to be taken into the MWC?

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Utah players are becoming unhinged.

They’ll be translating that into penalties if they’re not careful.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah

Lucky break for the Utes. Bad for the MWC. TCU needs a STATEMENT. Not that they aren’t already making one.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That lousy spike the ball rule.

That shouldn’t be worth the same as a face mask or a horsecollar.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The reductio ad absurdum on that

Was back in in the ’01 Hawaii/BYU game when Hawaii had a player EJECTED for spiking the ball after a TD in a 72-45 victory over an undefeated BYU in the last game of the season.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

Obviously it was Sugar last year. Who gets first choice? I’d say the SEC loser gets picked 1st and TCU second, but that could be flipped.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome.

Texas Tech doesn’t want any more MWC action.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

Oh. I missed that, as Firefox crashed.

Boo TTech! I’d like to see UT pick up some of these strong mid-majors. We have a tradition of tough scheduling; I’d like to see it continue, but we don’t have to play all traditional schools. TCU > ND. Boise > UCLA.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you guys catch CLK show last week when one of the questions

asked by fans was about scheduling Boise State?

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He made the point that we schedule non-conf games

based on recruiting…and he said you know, I don’t know any great players outta Idaho, and I don’t want to go there.

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah. Good point

Which means we could put TCU on the schedule. Lotta good players in Ft. Worth.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a good point.

Besides, UT’s schedules over the next few years are tough enough. Good grief – the noncons.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely...

The road is not easy.

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

What do we have

Oregon, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Ohio State?

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh. Forgot about that one

We do have a tough schedule going forward. But I’d like to add tough mid-majors when possible. We did that with Fresno State when they were getting good.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

BYU did this year

But the point is still made. Lots of people go out of their way to avoid them.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Has anyone ever mentioned Boise

as a possibility to make that elusive 12th team in the Big 10? Just a thought.

Rocky Top Talk

by Will Shelton on Nov 14, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

the Big East and Notre Dame need each other

Rocky Top Talk

by Will Shelton on Nov 14, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

They do.

But ND won’t give up the Michigan / MSU games either.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

UGA td.

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 9:18 PM EST reply actions  

or is it?

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

UGA Td

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

me too.

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Well let's see

TCU 3-0 against the top 25 (if they hold on)
Florida 1-0 against the top 25
Bama 2-0 against the top 25
Texas 2-0 against the top 25

Uhhh. . .

Well, they haven’t beaten any top 15 teams. Like LSU. Who was losing at half to LT.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way

Coming down from the earlier thread because it’s getting buried, but on schedules:

In 2011 (our target year), we will have consecutive games

vs. Brian Kelly
@Urban Meyer
@Butch Davis

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

Vs. Brian kelly or whoever is there...

Do you think he bolts for another job?

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd still take that over next year

Oregon, Florida, UAB, at LSU, at Georgia, bye week, Alabama, at South Carolina…there are at least three of those games we should have no business winning

Rocky Top Talk

by Will Shelton on Nov 14, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

But we aren't angling for a NC next year

Cincy, @Florida, @UNC, LSU, Georgia (if the SEC schedule stays the same). Consecutively. Rough.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I had seen that. Ouchie.

And even if Kelly bolts, Cincy should still be pretty good at that point.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed.

That’s still a hossdaddy of a september.

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

99 yard return

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply actions  

Wow.

First to play defense wins?

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

first to play special teams!

It’s a madden game.

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

and the ding bat

Desean Jackson’d it…but it wasn’t questioned…until after the kick!

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

So I popped over to TSK

And asked if TCU had a legit argument at top 2. I was answered by crickets.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

I haven't watched TCU that much quite yet.

But tonight, everything on offense has worked. Their QB has been absolutely terrific.

by David Hooper on Nov 14, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

And it's not like this Utah D is terrible

In their worst performance to date, they allowed 31 @Oregon.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think they're a runaway #1 either

I think right now the top 4 undefeateds are a mess. Then there’s a slight gap before Cincy/Boise. Although Cincy could close the gap with an impressive win over Pitt.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

“They struggle to have quarterbacks who have yet to prove this year that they can win games this year with their arm”

Wha?

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

what?

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

ah.

but can we say “this year” one more time?

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

For real

Also, who is struggling to have struggling QBs?

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Buzzword of the year:

Swagger.

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 10:00 PM EST reply actions  

And TCU makes it 41-14

It really should be more of a blowout. I can has moar pointz?

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 10:01 PM EST reply actions  

Flag!

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 10:01 PM EST reply actions  

but INT stands

UGA picks off Auburn. :-(

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by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

SICK catch by Pitt.

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by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

Ah. Baldwin is his name.

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by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

TCU has let up a little since half

They need to make sure that the score doesn’t start looking respectable.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

C'mon AUBURN

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by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 10:15 PM EST reply actions  

SO close

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by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

I see what y’all were talking about. That could’ve tied it up.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Good grief

4th and 23

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by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 10:31 PM EST reply actions  

So hypothetical

A 7-5 Georgia (5-3 SEC) vs. a 7-5 UT (4-4 SEC). Who gets picked up first?

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

Painful game today for Vol fans, but I'll be honest: 7-5 this year sounds pretty good to me

8-4 would’ve been better, sure, but it’s not just about the record this year. The team learned how to play with heart in impossible situations, and that’s what counts.

by davy on Nov 14, 2009 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

bowl eligible=progress.

7-5 with some nail-biters, some head-shakers, and some moments of sheer jubilation is just dandy with me.

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It's progress, but I'm still upset

When I just look at all the shoulda coulda wouldas. It’s a reason to have faith in Lane, but it’s not satisfying. Now if we beat a top 25 team in a bowl (VT?), then it could be.

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 14, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I sure would like to have some games back

along with some stupid player decisions. Losing 5 games is never satisfying.

I have faith in Lane, and I think we’re gonna be on the right track.

I think realistically 7-5 is a good starting point…today has me a little crazy though…a beatdown.

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Nov 14, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

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