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Talking points: Inspector Gadget plans a physical bump rule violation edition

  • Coming off of back-to-back double-digit wins, Tennessee heads to Ole Miss Wednesday and to Kentucky Saturday. By the way, Bruce Pearl referred to J.P. Prince as both Gumbi and Inspector Gadget due to the righteous stat line he and his innovative, spindly arms compiled against Vandy on Saturday.
  • I'll see you your fog machines and pretend press conferences and raise you a chance scholarship and commitment. Yeah, so did Nick Saban violate the "bump" rule when he obtained a commitment from Memphis wide receiver Keiwone Malone? It's Saban. It's Alabama. We're Tennessee. So . . . OF COURSE HE DID!
  • Lane Kiffin plans a physical spring, meaning none of this half-speed, pansy green jersey stuff. "We know so little about the players in our system and the only way to find that out is to play real football as much as we can,” Kiffin said Friday. "We need to find out who is on board and who we can count on. It is going to be too late to wait until the fall to find that out." Beware of depth issues, but good.
  • Because Kiffin is a busy man . . . GVX's Mattingly, who, when you use only his last name sounds like a sitcom butler, saves Kiffin 25 minutes (and perhaps himself a job) by penning a primer on Tennessee Tradition. Kiffin approves, but wonders whether you can get to KNEE-land Stadium without taking Phillip Fulmer Way.
  • Holly's got the wheel at EDSBS.com this week because Orson, I suspect because he was already tiring of the whole "permanent-dwelling" thing, is vacationing. Last week's Corrections includes an edit of the roster of Kiffin staff casualties and new information regarding the fog machine infraction: Orgeron had merely "punched through the ground to the Earth's molten core." Likely still a violation of some rule or another, but there it is.
  • The Lady Vols play the Duke Blue Devils tonight, and guard Shekinna Stricklen will apparently play despite recently suffering a partial dislocation of her right patella.

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Memphis is going to get particular play between Alabama and Tennessee.

Between the fencepost comments and Lance’s declaration of owning Memphis, Saban would have particular incentive to win recruiting battles there. It would serve as a nice retort to UT’s recruiting prowess and give him a sales pitch he could use in other places (“They said they own Memphis, but look at what we’re getting from there…”)

I haven’t caught up on any of the details about the junior commitment, but it certainly looks like Memphis will be the location of the most intense (and most highly scrutinized recruiting battles) between the two camps. If one side or the other is going to be tempted into shady recruiting, it’ll most likely be there.

by Hooper on Feb 16, 2009 9:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great...

Now I’m going to hear the “Inspector Gadget” music whenever J.P. is on the floor. This will get interesting…

by Hooper on Feb 16, 2009 9:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

To answer Sir Mattingly...

Right now, you can’t get to KNEE-land stadium with Fulmer Way. Ironically, Fulmer Way has been completely blocked off while the football stadium undergoes an overhaul…

by Hooper on Feb 16, 2009 9:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Last thing, and I'll shut up for a bit.

(Or not.)

I was pondering an open thread for the game tonight. It’s Tennessee/Duke. It’s the Lady Vols. It’s Breast Cancer Awareness Night. It doesn’t look like I’ll be able to make the game as I had hoped, but I do plan on following it. Let me know if you think a thread would be of interest or a waste of time. (Yes, that means all of you…)

by Hooper on Feb 16, 2009 9:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

uhh...its not UT so...

Anybody care to wager an over-under as to when ESPN will post an article on the Saban bump?

by jimvols on Feb 16, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bama fan here...

All this hoopla is stemming from a quote from the recruit which is ambiguous at best.

 “I just started laughing, because when I watch him on TV, he always looks kind of big. I had on my Dolphins hat, and he liked my favorite team, so we kind of bonded a little bit. And when he started talking to me, I started liking the stuff that he was saying.”

We know Saban talked to him legitimately after the guy committed and before the interview took place. It’s certainly possible that the later part of the kid’s quote was referencing a later discussion with Saban. We’re talking about a 16-17 year old kid here, you know. Even if you assume that he’s talking about a discussion that occurred at their meeting during the non-contact period, what can you really tell from that quote? All he says is that he liked what Saban was saying. Saying to whom? Maybe the kid was just listening to Saban talk to the coach, and he liked what he heard. The high school coach is saying Saban did the right thing, so I really think that jumping to conclusions and making accusations like Ron Higgins did was extremely irresponsible.

by Zoltar on Feb 16, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh of course...

anything is possible….

Maybe the kid just dreamed the whole conversation….yeah…I bet that’s what happened….

by sddbaker on Feb 16, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said...

the kid’s informal comments are ambiguous, and with the coach saying nothing improper happened, it’s basically a dead issue. It’s too bad not everyone’s coach can broadcast their blunders on TV and public radio like Tennessee’s does… :)

by Zoltar on Feb 16, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes...

it must be nice to not be under too much scrutiny…I guess it helps you get away with more….

by sddbaker on Feb 17, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BWAHAHAHA

Excuse me? Alabama not under scrutiny? Saban not under scrutiny? ANY job in the SEC is scrutinized by each teams’ respective stalkers fans and the nat’l media.

...Addicted to Facebook. Why, oh, why did I ever start an account?!...

by Stuck in the Plains on Feb 18, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And, it goes without saying...

that the three-four flagships of the SEC (Alabama, FL, LSU) are going to receive more than say, a Mississippi State…or Tennessee.

...Addicted to Facebook. Why, oh, why did I ever start an account?!...

by Stuck in the Plains on Feb 18, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sort of.

Recently, Tennessee has received a lot of attention – probably more than the three you mentioned combined (in a readership sense, not a voluminous sense). For example, ESPN left their article on Kiffin’s “cheat” gaffe as the feature article for about 4 days. Meanwhile, Florida has been effectively off their map over the last two weeks with the exception of the Johnson case. A program’s stature does help draw attention, to be sure, but there needs to be something present for attention to be drawn to.

And to be honest, it doesn’t matter to a reporter which program is scrutinized; what matters is the results of the scrutiny. Let’s say that USC gets a ton of scrutiny, but absolutely nothing of interest emerges. That’s a waste of resources, so far as the media is concerned. However, if Colorado gets scrutiny and interesting stuff surfaces, then there’s something to report on and draw readership from.

With fans, it’s different. Fans tend to focus on perceived rivals first, as you well know. If War Eagle Atlanta’s research is on track, the Tennessee is at least the equal of any school in the SEC in terms of expected scrutiny.

And I LOLed a bit at the flagship thing. Always happy to have a little rival banter around to make things interesting. My engineering side can’t let one thing go, though. The “flagship” aspect you refer to is highly temporal (i.e. subject to the “what have you done for me lately?” concept) . In the ‘90s, he two SEC flagships were basically Florida and Tennessee. UT began to lose that in ’01 when they lost to LSU, and that is much of the reason that Fulmer is gone now. Florida lost it completely during the Zook era, then regained it quickly under Meyer. For 10-15 years, Alabama was nationally regarded as a historical has-been (see, for example, the perception of Notre Dame by those distanced from Notre Dame), but are now a “flagship” because of their recent success. If Kiffin attains on-field success in the next few years, UT will be a flagship. Likewise, if Mississippi State dominates the West, they’ll become a flagship. Even Vanderbilt would become one if they were to become national title contenders. In short, flagship is a good, convenient term to identify programs with recent success. (5-7 is not recent success.) But flagship does not identify the future. Alabama, for instance, was not a flagship to start last season (unranked and not expected to compete) but ended the season as one.

Thanks for commenting. Always happy to hear from you.

by Hooper on Feb 18, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As to the secondary violations, without rehashing the details, let me just point out that "secondary" violations include even the tiniest nitpicks of the NCAA rules. The vast majority are self-reported and incur no consequences. All schools experience them (most have several a year), as the NCAA regs are about as easy to figure out as the IRS tax code. The difference is that the Knoxville News-Sentinel is remarkably active about reporting them, while many local media outlets (local to other teams, that is) don’t get too worked up about it unless the NCAA actually acts.

I’m neither excusing him nor convicting him on them; that’s a different discussion. But, like everything else in college football right now, the lack of actual events makes the minutae appear much bigger than it is.

-hooper – Silver & Black Pride Feb. 12 2009

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by Bens4vcobra on Feb 17, 2009 3:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Boom roasted

"All hockey players are bilingual. They know English and profanity." - Gordie Howe

by Bens4vcobra on Feb 17, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I fail to see what you're getting at here.

It’s cool, you don’t need to explain.

by Graysnail on Feb 17, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

While you're at it, don't forget this one:
Secondary violations are routine. Somewhere between 10 to 20 a year isn’t unusual. Of course, Kiffin’s on a slightly higher pace at the moment, but that’ll calm down a bit when the questions move away from recruiting and toward practices.

There are incidental secondary violations and there are secondary violations that just don’t quite make the primary designation. Most are incidental and not newsworthy. Most of Kiffin’s are probably like that as well, but it’s not a good discussion to start in the heat of the moment.

(Link here.)

At least I’m consistent between the two. As for any comment’s about the Saban/Memphis thing, about all I’ve said (in this, any SBNation blog, or any other blog – check TSIB if you want) is this:

Were they citing the kid’s coach’s posts over on AL.com too?

That appears just a little bit above in this thread.

I would assume the “Boom roasted” assertion was to imply inconsistency in the way the Kiffin comments and the Saban/Memphis thing have been handled here. Specifically, the idea that Saban has been tried, judged and convicted in the Big Orange Court while Kiffin has been given a Get Out Of Jail Free card. If I’ve been inconsistent in my handling of these two affairs, please point that out. I hate being hypocritical more than I hate being wrong, and I like to think I’m mature enough to handle being corrected. (Emphasis added for future reference.) ;-)

If you’re using my comment to criticize the writings of others on this site, remember that I don’t control their content (other than things of an offensive nature, and that’s a blanket policy) and I certainly don’t control their opinions. It’s not hypocrisy if they disagree with my stance. That might explain the confusion.)

If you’re using my comment as a counterargument to others, then I’m flattered that you think highly enough of my opinion to cite me. Carry on!

As a general rule, I allow a cooling-off period between the first release of controversial news and the time I actually get around to forming opinions. Breaking news articles rarely have enough information to give proper context, but most opinions are based on them.

by Hooper on Feb 17, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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