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The Brian Butler Saga Continues: Further Thoughts From a UT View

I'm not telling you something you haven't already seen from a dozen other sites, but the curious case of Brian Butler adds a new chapter - an NCAA investigation.  To summarize my feelings from my first writeup of him (before the investigation was announced), I was a bit leery about the general concept of high school handlers, but felt that we should be willing to concede that he might not in fact be doing anything wrong.  I even took it far enough to suggest that a little benefit of the doubt might be in order without further information.

Well, now we have further information.  In a sense.  As always, an investigation is not a guarantee of any actual wrongdoing; investigations, however, are not intitiated without a certain amount of reason to suspect a problem.  It's not like the NCAA spins a glorified Wheel Of Investigation to figure out where they're sending their snoops next, right?

Here's where I'd like to get some thought from you all.  I like to analyze and pick things apart, as you regulars know, but I'm flummoxed on this one.  I know that the RTT community is rather bright and I'd like to know how you feel.  So here are my musings and ponderances.

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Having an NCAA investigation begin does not directly give us any more information about Butler at all.  They may have started the investigation based on the exact same information we already knew, which only tells us that the NCAA recognizes that information.  They also may have information that we don't have; the problem is that we don't know which case is true.  (I would guess that they do have more information, as a dozen twitchy schools - all with vested interest in Bryce Brown and David Oku - are more than ready to cry foul if they suspect they're being gamed.  Right, Miami?  [/wink])

Yet the investigation does give us some very important indirect information.  First, we know that the NCAA will have to end the investigation at some point.  They can't keep them going in perpetuity.  Further, there is a lot of incentive to end the investigation quickly; the 2010 recruiting season is already heavily underway.  As usual, the top quarterbacks are getting ready to commit quickly so they can help influence their preferred teammate prospects.  The "lifers" are also signing up quickly, pleding their undying love, their firstborn, and their future NFL alumni money to the schools their daddies taught them to cheer for.  Beyond the early commitals, there are hundreds of athletes who will be courted by multiple schools at various levels - all of whom will be affected by the choices of the other players and several of whome are being advised by Brian Butler or some less well-known handler.

I'm also curious to see how much jurisdictional authority the NCAA thinks it has.  Bryce Brown is not yet a student-athlete.  He has not sent in an LOI and he has no binding commitments to any school.  He could as easily sign on with the Foreign Legion as he could suit up for a game next season.  He's not receiving anything from a school (i.e. scholarship), so there's no reciprocity in play.  Under those circumstances, how much authority does the NCAA really have to limit his decision to have a handler?  Whether his choice is good or bad is really not even in question at this point; the concern is whether he has the choice at all.

Let's also toss up a hypothetical.  Suppose that Butler has been exploiting a relationship within a university to hype his players.  (We can call this fictitious university "da U" if you like.)  Certainly, the NCAA has authority to monitor and regulate the kind of activities that this university may engage in - it's a part of their contract as a member university.  But that doesn't mean that they can penalize Butler for those activities.  Butler is not a part of the NCAA. 

If the NCAA believes that Butler is a cancer to the system, what can they do?  Could they ban their schools from signing any player under Butler's tutelage?  That really seems like blackballing and could open up some massive lawsuit questions.  Could they penalize Butelr directly?  Can they penalize schools for accepting Butler kids who don't otherwise get involved in any other NCAA violations?

SOME THOUGHTS DIRECTLY RELATED TO TENNESSEE FOOTBALL

  • This might be the best thing to happen to Bryce Brown.  No matter the outcome of the investigation, it'll be a lot easier for Brown to distance himself from Butler once he's in school.  Butler may or may not be helpful to Brown in the recruiting process, but his influence would only be a detriment afterwards and Brown would be best served to be 100% under the wing of the staff at his school of choice.
  • The same applies to Oku.  Oku is also a Butler kid, thought his main problems seem to be self-inflicted.  Still, clearing the deck may help this kid focus his life - something he desperately needs to do.
  • Pay attention to how the staff responds to future developments.  We know they're aggressive; if they believe that Brown will be a benefit to team, they'll pursue him so long as Butler doesn't cause NCAA problems to the program itself.  But where is their line?  If Butler begins to get in a lot of hot water, will UT cut bait or will they keep pressing?  I don't think UT will have problems in this case, but how they handle it may give us an indication of how things will go in the future.
  • If Butler is cleared, UT will continue to work with him.  They've already declared that they'll look for recruits everywhere, even places that "they're not supposed to".   That originally meant places where other schools are supposed to have the recruits locked down, but core philosophy easily extends to kids with handlers that the public doesn't happen to like.

If I were to summarize my feelings on this all as succintly as possible, it'd be something like this:  I don't like the trend of high school handlers and I think it will only lead to trouble.  Yet I don't see how it can be stopped, and there's nothing inherently wrong with 17-18 year olds with immense physical talent seeking advice.  (I wish I had better advisors at that age, too!)  By almost all accounts, we have reason to be leery of Butler, but until it's shown that he's "guilty" of poor behavior in all this, I can't really hold it against him, either.

So yes, I'm completely torn on the issue - both in general and in particular.

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I really don't think its much of an issue at this point.

I’m guessing the Lawyers on this blog could offer some insight as to what authority and power the NCAA really has in regards to Butler. But personally, I don’t think it is too much of a story that Brown has a “handler”. I think a lot of these VHT’s have similar people involved in their lives but they just don’t allow themselves to get the “handler” tag. I think the buzz around Butler exists moreso because Brown has dragged his recruitment out this long and it is rubbing people the wrong way. This could be Butler’s influence but even so as far as we know at this point no rules have been broken. Until something concrete comes out this whole soap opera is really just a bunch of fluff IMO.

I would have no problem if Brown came to UT. I think this staff has already demonstrated a no BS policy so I have confidence that if any issues arose they would be dealt with accordingly.

by Getoffmyvols on Feb 27, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's about where I think I am, too.

I wonder if the biggest problem with Butler is his self-promotion. You see a whole lot of piling-on all over the webs and media locales, but I don’t know that he’s necessarily doing anything differently than anybody else other than the whole website and national media hound thing.

I just feel like I’m missing something in the whole picture that would clear it up. And I’m not one for this much ambiguity.

But I don’t think I’d have a problem with Brown here, either. The Butler connection hasn’t caused problems for his brother in Miami (or for any other of Butler’s athletes, that I have heard of). Oku is more of a concern at this point, but it all seems to be Oku’s doing, not Butler’s.

by Hooper on Feb 27, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it self promotion or is it all the doing of the media?

I think Brown is just a smart awesome athlete with a guy who is really trying to help him out. I may be naive about all this but I can’t see what Butler has done wrong?

by BigBeefe on Feb 27, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The more I think about it

I’m almost wanting Brown more now because of all of this hooplah. It would just fit in to the rest of this offseason so well and really be the perfect cherry on top of quite an interesting recruiting season.

It will certainly give everyone another reason to hate Kiffin and spend 3 weeks writing about how much of an idiot he is which would just be gravy.

by Getoffmyvols on Feb 27, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

At least it would merge two repetitive memes into one story.

If nothing else, it’d take a load off my feed reader to have the anti-Kiffin and anti-Butler/Brown articles all wrapped up together. That would probably save me about 50-75 headlines a week. Seriously.

by Hooper on Feb 27, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, yes , yes

I agree. BB fits perfectly into this off season. Pecan Logs and all. Go get him “O”!

by cityvol on Feb 27, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have absolutely no idea

One thought, though, is that if Butler is certain that he’s not jeopardizing Brown’s future as an amateur athlete (or otherwise), maybe he could have invited an investigation just to clear up any rumors. I don’t know. An investigation can be triggered by suspicion, but it can also be triggered merely by the suspicion of others (competitors) of an outside-the-box concept, which makes it necessary for the investigative authority and desirable by innovative thinker.

Again, I don’t know. Waiting and seeing, here.

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by Joel on Feb 27, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is like professional teams

Saying “We’re done dealing with Scott Boras/Drew Rosenhaus.” You’re not. When they’ve got a client you want, you’ll deal with them again. As long as Butler is in the game, Tennessee and the rest of the schools that recruit nationally will deal with him when he’s handling players of Brown’s potential. Which could be very unfortunate, and is almost certainly more complicated. I hope this doesn’t become the nature of the beast.

by Will on Feb 27, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This whole thing just doesn't seem very NCAA kosher to me.

These advisors just seem like a recruting violation waiting for a rule.

I’m going to predict that the investigation goes down, and a rule is created, or one that already exists is applied, that somehow makes these guys untouchable. It may be something as simple as making it a recruiting violation to get caught talking to them. This would be difficult given the dynamic nature of the modern athlete’s family and support structure, but I don’t see it being allowed to continue, and here is why:

Even if Butler hasn’t done anything wrong, you have to think about 2 things:

1. Solicitation of benefits from boosters and coaches to get athletes to go to a certain school (could also be solicitation by coaches and boosters). I know it already happens with HS coaches, but unless i’m being hopelessly naive, most programs are only producing 1 player every few years that somebody shells out money for. Somebody like Butler could have the top talent every single year and would be in a position to ask for, or be approached about improper benefits.

2. Even worse: The number of costly investigations that would stem from one guy getting caught taking $ from school A for player 1, while he sends players 2, 3, and 4 to schools B, C, and D. If it happened at schhol A, then doesn’t the NCAA have to at least consider the fact that it could have happened at schools B, C, and D? It would be pure bedlam trying to sort out all the violations of having a person representing or connected to multiple athletes who end up at different schools.

I just think there’s something in the pipeline about to crack down on these people.

by Prometheus1185 on Feb 28, 2009 6:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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