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I think were SEC teams gain their “speed” advantage is the speed of their defensive linemen. See Florida vs OSU and Florida vs OU.

Another advantage I think SEC teams have over most other teams, is the depth of their speed. The starting 22 are all pretty much equal, talent-wise (of course you have your Percy Harvins, Julio Joneses, Beanie Wellses, Michael Crabtrees), but I think the 2nd team players (especially defensively) are better/faster in the SEC.

This is all just observational. At the very least, most SEC defenses at least play faster than their opponents, even if on a track they wouldn’t be.

by rblakeh on Mar 12, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

He doesn’t touch on depth in his write up, as its probably something that’d be very hard to find any concrete data to compare and do any valid analysis. But it would be something I’d be interested in reading.

As far as the speed of play, I think you hit the nail on the head. Not necessarily speed of play but intensity of play, and in conference games specifically. I don’t put a whole lot of stock in OOC records and bowl games because it is just a fact that when you play an SEC team in some random neutral location in December or January you face a different team than if you would if you faced them in their own backyard and they were gearing up for an inconference battle royale.

I grew up in Bakers 10 country. I can’t speak about the PAC 10 or Big 12 but I’ve been to Beaver stadium and seen Penn State play conference games in person. I’ve been to Michigan vs. Ohio State in Ann Arbor. There is no comparison to the intensity that the SEC brings to their conference games. Its not even close.

by Getoffmyvols on Mar 12, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Before I even came and read the comments

And I was reading that article I was thinking about how fast our defenses were, and how, in my mind, that’s where the term comes from. I’ve heard some NFL draft analyzers refer to the fact that playing in an SEC defense is the closest thing to playing in the NFL at a college level.

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by samhitch on Mar 12, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

“Florida speed” is nothing to shake a finger at, either. No. No it is not.

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by samhitch on Mar 12, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

You gotta be that fast to run from the cops

I think they are well in contention for the Fulmer Cup this year.

by rblakeh on Mar 12, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw this crazy OTL report on ESPN about this one section of Florida that has produced an ungodly number of fast players in the NCAAs and NFL.

Their secret?

They chase rabbits.

Through sugar cane fields.

A win.

I was pretty damn impressed by that. No doubt those guys are way faster than the guys around here in NC.

by bobo_the_vol on Mar 12, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's also an implicit innuendo that a faster track guy is going to make a mistake in his running angles.

The comparison shows how a slower guy might make up the difference by running smarter, but what if the faster guy makes proper decisions and takes the right angles on the field as well?

Or, as some are mentioning, what if a whole team of relatively fast guys take the right angles? He mentions all that as part of coaching; then perhaps the SEC is justified in paying their coaches more money after all.

by David Hooper on Mar 12, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel bad for that guy because he obviously tried hard

But he was debunking the wrong myth. I have always known the term “SEC speed” to refer to the defensive side of the ball, and never once have I heard an argument that the SEC produces faster players at the skill positions.

by kidbourbon on Mar 12, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

He also uses faulty logic

He is questioning whether the SEC is the best conference as we hear every year, saying:

Year after year you hear and read all about how the SEC is the greatest college football conference ever. It has the best competition. It has the best fans. It has the best top to bottom teams. It has the best teams in the nation. The list of phrases and praise goes on and on.

This is essentially his way of challenging the conventional wisdom that the SEC is the best conference. In order to prove this point, however, he uses the conventional wisdom that the ACC is a historically weak conference, by saying:

SEC teams have a winning percentage of 60% over BCS conference teams. It is important to note that that is inflated by the fact that 1 out of every 2 games against a BCS conference opponent was against an ACC team – the ACC being a historically weaker conference with less powerhouse teams than say the Big 10, Pac 10 or Big 12. Subtract out the ACC games and the SEC only has a winning percentage of 54%.

He says this without trying to empirically show that the ACC is in fact a weak conference (even though this is something everyone, self included, believes). He also fails to mention that even without the ACC games counted, the SEC has a winning record against all the other major conferences.

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by jd is legend on Mar 12, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I shouldn't say he fails to mention that

Instead, he writes it off like it’s not impressive

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by jd is legend on Mar 12, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it's not surprising that half of the noncon BCS games are against ACC teams.

Proximity, for one.

After that, it’s relevance. It’s like how the Big 10 and PAC-10 play a lot of games; they matter and people like them because there are relevant bragging rights at stake. Same with the SEC and ACC.

by David Hooper on Mar 12, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

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