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Bruce Pearl wonders whether he's in the wrong place?

I'm probably late on this, but yesterday was a wicked day that prevented me from hearing anything on my time-shifting iPod until this morning. The thing that struck me most was a comment from Mike Griffith relaying that he'd heard Bruce Pearl say something to the effect that if winning the SEC East isn't good enough for Vol fans, then maybe he was in the wrong place.

Yikes. This leads to a lot of questions. Is this regular season a disappointment? Does it matter, or is the NCAA Tournament really the only/primary thing that counts? Are we stuck in football mode, where one or two losses eats into the success of a season to a much greater degree than one or two losses does during regular season basketball? Are we any different than any other fan base? Are we just talking about life cycles here, meaning has Pearl stayed at any institution long enough to have to live up to the expectations his success has created for himself rather than just reviving a program and then moving on? Does he realize that, and that's why he made the statement, because he's managing our expectations? Where in the world would Tennessee be if we lost Bruce Pearl?

What do y'all think?

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Is the 2008-09 regular basketball season a disappointment?
Nope.
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A little.
90 votes
Yeah.
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Same rules apply to football

If you win the division, it’s a successful season. Period.

Pearl talked about this in one of his postgame interviews, probably after South Carolina – that in college basketball everything is decided by the NCAA Tournament, and rightfully so, but only one team wins that. For the coaches, these regular season championships which are measured over the course of 16 games and not three weeks, are what are truly rewarding (you know, outside of winning a national championship). He’s been quoted in KNS several times for saying that he refuses to allow anybody to hang their heads because we “just” won the SEC East.

There were plenty of Vol fans who didn’t enjoy the 2007 football season, and for those folks I would recommend therapy to this day. If you win the division, you have a tangible championship, and I don’t care if you got beat 59-20 or lost 11 games along the way…if you win your division, that’s a good year.

by Will on Mar 13, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

If the standard is that you always have to outdo yourself even as the success grows, then you’re setting yourself up for disappointment. There’s plenty of reward in consistency alone. And really, to win the division with all of the struggles we’ve had — poor outside shooting for much of the season — is really pretty remarkable, I think. Just because a season has some disappointments along the way does not necessarily equate to a disappointing season, especially in basketball.

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by Joel on Mar 13, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Young team with a ton of potential

Inside a young conference with a lot of potential. Of course I’m not disappointed. We’re still going to make it to the tourny with a chance to win it all. I was ecstatic win we clinched the SEC East against SCAR.

…he’d heard Bruce Pearl say something to the effect that if winning the SEC East isn’t good enough for Vol fans, then maybe he was in the wrong place.

Could these same Vol fans be the ones who chirped for Fulmers thumping every time he lost a game? The problem here is forgetting too quickly. Bruce Pearl has done an amazing job here and has been able to bring in young talent and coach it. I believe that if not this year, then the next or the next we will finally push into the elite 8 and further. Like I said, we are an extremely young team with a lot of potential.

Wanna hear some music?

by samhitch on Mar 13, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have to say I've been a little disappointed

The team has been inconsistent, but the talent is there. You have to hate when they fall short of what you know they can accomplish. I think UT should be ranked nationally rather than on the bubble, but they didnt perform well enough to achieve that. They had many chances to lock up the SEC east but never capitalized on it until the end of the season, then came the disappointing loss to Alabama.

BUT I dont blame Pearl for this. He has done well as a coach, done amazing things for the program and the school, and when I watch the games I don’t sit there and question his decisions (unlike what I find myself doing whenever I watch Billy G).

Overall, I am happy with what the team has accomplished though. The team is competitive and when it clicks, its amazing to watch. But where they have fallen short, I know they couldve achieved more.

I hope Chism and Smith return next year, because I think if this team stays together for next year they’re going to wow us.

now with less meyton panning.

by Pride of the Southland on Mar 13, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Our fans sometimes have too much of a football mentality

I remember watching the Tennessee Marquette game with my dad this year and him saying this was a “must win game” for Tennessee and thinking its only January, it may have even been December, must win games don’t exist before conference play has even started. But I digress..

Think about it this way… If I were just describing an anonymous team,

OK, you lose your top 4 guards from the previous year (one of them being the most prolific 3 point shooter in conference history), still win your division, and have a tournament birth locked up before you even start the conference tourney. Should you be dissapointed? I think the answer is NO without question. The fact that we even have to entertain the discussion of Bruce not being the guy is ridiculous.

by Getoffmyvols on Mar 13, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Some people are just idiots.

Okay, a lot of people are just idiots. Those are the same people who think Fulmer was a horrible coach. Only in this case it’s kind of like thinking Fulmer was a horrible coach after the ’98 season.

We just lost two of the best guards in Tennessee history, replacing them with a bunch of players who (except for JP) had not played a year at Tennessee.

And we won the SEC East, a division with the winningest program in Kentucky and a team that won 2 national championships a few years ago in Florida. Sure, we didn’t beat Kentucky but the fact that this team has shown more consistency than any other team in the SEC East (aside from South Carolina, a team with a pair of great guards) is amazing, especially considering that we might lose one player next year (though Smith is going to be sooo hard to replace, I think it can be done, if he even goes.)

The fans who think that Bruce Pearl isn’t doing a good job are the fans that can never be pleased. If Bruce Pearl were to win a National Championship this year and then go 20-10 next year they’d be saying how bad a coach he is. Every school has fans like that and, unfortunately, we are one of every other school.

Here’s a message to those Vol fans (though I don’t think any of them read these boards, and if they do they are mostly silent) : get realistic and enjoy what we’ve got. Chris Lofton’s first year we didn’t even make the NIT. When was the last time we went to four straight NCAA Tourneys? I don’t even know if it’s happened in my lifetime. I do know that Pearl is by far the best coach we have here at Tennessee since I’ve been following Vol basketball.

Anyone who is massively disappointed with the team this year has done one of three things:

  • believed pre-season rankings. Yeah, I didn’t figure the Vols would be unranked at all this year but that was more preseason jitters than real rational thought. We’ve had our share of problems but, for the most part, that is attributed to the youth of our team. We’ve seen a LOT of progression over the weeks, though.
  • compared Bruce Pearl to Pat Summitt. Comparing anyone to Pat is completely unfair. I heard one of my friends say this last year about Pearl: “He’s good, but no Pat Summit.” Let’s get this out of the way: no coach will ever be another Pat Summit. It just won’t happen. Count on it.
  • was dropped on their head too much as a baby.

Also, the season isn’t even over yet! I’ll admit I’ll be disappointed a bit if we get beat by ‘Bama tonight and get bounced the first two rounds of the NCAA tourney. Well, no, as long as I see the Vols putting forth their ’A’ game and playing with pride and determination I don’t think I’ll be disappointed. A bit bummed, sure, but these things happen.

And Pearl? Please please please please please stay in Knoxville for a long long long long time. I’ll get on my knees and beg, if that helps?

by bobo_the_vol on Mar 13, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And it's not just the wins, it's the how

Jerry Green went to four straight NCAAs…and got fired. Not only has Pearl been a winner, he’s created his own product and Tennessee fans fell in love with it, and him. Maybe in 2009 the honeymoon period is over…but this is still a very, very good marriage, and not just because we’re winning, but because of Pearl himself. He is Tennessee Basketball…and so I hope Tennessee Basketball continues to be good to him.

by Will on Mar 13, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

indeed

Is there anyone here who thinks that the loss of Lofton and JJ and the upcoming departure of Tyler is going to cripple UT basketball in years to come? Personally, I think out better days are ahead of us. Bruce is setting a winning culture, getting good young players, and he’s doing it without being dirty in the slightest. I like it!

by bobo_the_vol on Mar 13, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it would cripple us

But I’d like to see some seniority on the team next year. If he stays, it would be great for this team next year and I think the few shortfalls we’ve had this year will be righted. It would also do a lot for this program as a whole.

I also agree, the best years are ahead of this program. But the last 4 have been pretty great in-and-of themselves. :)

now with less meyton panning.

by Pride of the Southland on Mar 13, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course.

I expect Chism and JP and Bobby to step up more next year. But Tyler and Wayne have already been the vocal leaders of this team, but as seniors we need just a liiil bit more from them. The biggest thing is that we don’t have any really experienced guards.

Next year we get West too, don’t forget about that.

by bobo_the_vol on Mar 13, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tyler and Wayne

are juniors. It’s their first year being in that leadership role and it has showed. One minute their leaders, the next their in their shells. JaJuan was a leader his senior year, but not junior. Wayne, JP, Bobby, and hopefully Tyler (please stay, pretty please?) will lead us next year and we should have a special, special team. Talented, deep, experienced, and we all know Bruce, Tony Jones, and the rest of the staff will pull a nice recruiting class. And we should get Daniel West back. Phew, look out, especially if Tyler stays!

Scotty Hopson...found, well kinda, at least!

by Volorado on Mar 13, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I disappointed in the season? No.

Am I disappointed in the players? Sometimes. I think that’s one of the things that it’s hard to separate for some fans. Chism’s predilection for threes drives me insane. Hopson’s maddeningly inconsistent. Renaldo Woolridge is …well, too young. (At least to me.) The on-court product has occasionally been as inconsistent; if we weren’t E1 I’d probably be a bit frustrated with how things turned out. As it stands, we’re E1, and I don’t have a problem with that. Would I have liked to be 16-0? Absolutely, but we got it done.

by Graysnail on Mar 13, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Season IS successful

We won the division, we have a chance to win the SEC tourney and are going to the NCAA’s. What more could we, as fans, ask for? Sure there have been disapointments (Memphis game, Alabama game, Auburn game, Kentucky games) but for the most part, I’ve been happy with the performance. For a young team losing their two leading scorers from a year ago and having to find a new point guard, that’s tough. And when you consider their schedule, getting close to 20 wins is impressive. Conference games are tough enough, but when you play Gonzaga twice, Marquette, Memphis, Georgetown, and tourney teams like Chattanooga and Siena, that’s over the top.

Scotty Hopson...found, well kinda, at least!

by Volorado on Mar 13, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

IF the fans would actually cheer for the team, then I'd have a little leeway for disappointment.

If you can’t show emotion during the games, you shouldn’t be showing emotion afterwards.

by Hooper on Mar 13, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent point

That’s one thing we really need to improve on as fans. Too often parasitic when we should be symbiotic.

Hmm. Thinking post title.

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by Joel on Mar 14, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well put, hooper

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Mar 14, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could have gone to Alabama if I wanted this crap.

I almost decided to make this it’s own post because it’s something that is important to me. I will leave it here instead, and hope it is seen, read, and taken to heart by others.

I did not see anyone on this board calling the season a disappointment, or calling for Mike Hamilton to fire Bruce Pearl, but I’m still going to put on a mini rant here, so please excuse me:

This behavior from Vol “fans” is unacceptable. It smells of the things that we find contemptable about Alabama’s football program and Kentucky’s basketball program. It needs to be ended or counteracted.

Expectations need to be tempered with reality, and the reality is that Tennessee will not win the National Championship every year in every sport. Even Pat Summit has years where she doesn’t even win the SEC, and she is the winningest coach with the greatest program in her sport. Can anybody imagine her being fired after her fourth year at UT?

There will come a season where Tennessee does NOT win the SEC East or gasp does not win 20 games or perhaps even finishes last in the division. Something like that is going to happen, the sooner we as fans realize that, the sooner we can begin to get over it. Funny that this needs to be said now, a year after the graduation of Jordan Howell, who told us that he remembered a time when TBA was so quiet that he could hear individual conversations, and that most of the covrsations weren’t about basketball.

Obviously we want our team to win, that’s what sports are about. There just needs to be an understanding that sometimes we wont, and when that happens, it doesn’t need to be whined about in the newspaper, or to the athletic director, and it doesn’t mean the coach needs to go. Just sit on your couch, have another beverage, and enjoy the fact that it happens infrequently enough that you’re still disappointed.

Now, rather than sit here and continue preaching to the choir with you nice folks, I thought I might make a suggestion. Since all of us seem to recognize what a wonderful coach we have, maybe we should stop being the silent majority, and show our appreciation of the job Bruce and the vols have done.

Paint the Rock, write a letter, send an email, buy and wear an SEC East Champions t-shirt, or heck just cheer a little louder next time you go to a game. I’m not saying we shold call and beg Bruce not to go, but we maybe could do a little more to show that we appreciate the job that he and the team have done this year, and for the last four years, in a manner that they will see.

I wasn’t this upset about people complaining about Coach Fulmer, although I thought his firing was mishandled, but I can honestly tell you that if a bunch of whiners cause the guy who reshaped and re-energized Tennessee basketball to pack up and leave, I might just go with him.

P.S. I’ll be looking for an email or physical address in the Athletic Department that looks like it might make it to Bruce’s office. I’m not arrogant enoug to think that he’ll ever see it, but maybe an influx of supportive letters will generate some buzz that reaches his ears.

Prometheus1185
Tennessee Alum

by Prometheus1185 on Mar 13, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Great post.

Always feel free to express your opinion. Those are never censored; only personal attacks and foul language.

You have a great point about being more active in expressing appreciation. It means a lot to them to know their efforts are applauded. I was disappointed that the team had to ask the students to show up to the games, much less cheer.

by Hooper on Mar 13, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hadn't heard about that.

I will not exaggerate, I didn’t go to every UT Basketball game while I was in school. However, I did attend more than I missed between 05 and graduation in 08, and I did camp out for the Florida game in 2006 (it was COLD!) and I also managed to ace my test that morning :)

During those seasons the student section was rowdy.

This whole situation gives me pause because there are rumblings out of Lexington. Gillspie is having problems connecting with his players and has not been able to win consistently in Rupp. Pearl has a great relationship with his players and wins at home.

I’m considering entering Law School in the fall of 2011, Tennessee will be my first choice, so I’ll be excited to be able to go to games for free again.

by Prometheus1185 on Mar 13, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those students in your class

Watched it happen from the ground up. Half of the students on campus now think they’re entitled to winning, and quit coming when we don’t. It really, really upsets me too…it’s not right, but it is why.

I was, however, encouraged by the amount of orange in Tampa tonight, and expect to see more there tomorrow. If we win the SEC Tournament and get a favorable draw in the NCAA’s as far as close® to Knoxville, I think you’ll see a huge turnout.

It’s all relative. In 2007, lots of Vol fans couldn’t be bothered to come to Neyland Stadium to watch us play Arkansas…but then in the SEC Championship in Atlanta with everything on the line again, there we were in massive numbers. The unfortunate reality is some people just aren’t going to come unless we’re as good as they incorrectly think we’re always going to be…hopefully the majority of us will continue to support the Vols regardless.

by Will on Mar 13, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't go to every game either.

But I also don’t complain when the team struggles. And I wouldn’t complain about their struggles if I did go to all the games. If they’re giving their all, how could I?

That’s not to say I won’t critique and analyze, but I’ll never disrespect their efforts.

by Hooper on Mar 14, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, great post

I’m behind you, and frankly, one of our goals here at RTT is to support the team with a positive attitude, to play our role in the symbiotic relationship instead of just living off the success of the team and complaining when they’re not providing us what we’re trying to take from them.

Yes, there’s a balance between supporting the team by remaining positive and not ignoring problems, but reality can be embraced respectfully without resort to personal insults directed at players or coaches. There are times when things get so frustrating that we forget that, but we generally find our way back to this balance. There are too many other places on the web where negativity is permitted to grow like kudzu until it covers everything in sight, and we’ll do our part in this little space on the internet to keep that from happening.

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by Joel on Mar 14, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely!

I agree with everything you said. Please post the address!

by sddbaker on Mar 13, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

meant to reply...

to Prometheus1185….

by sddbaker on Mar 13, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best we're gonna get I think.

Ok, I kind of figured they don’t exactly advertise staff office addresses and things like that around the Athletic Department. I mean I imagine there wasn’t much love coming in for Phil back in October either. Plus, coaches are busy people.

So this is a fan mail address, mostly for people seeking autographs, I think, but it’s got some posts on the website that indicate a successful receipt of their autograph, so somebody has to look at the mail they get, right?

http://www.fanmail.biz/80672.html

Bruce Pearl
Thompson Boling Arena
Suite 206
Knoxville, TN 37996
USA

My very favorite college sports experience, and I had a few, was at the 2006 Gators game where me and about 10 of my friends camped out on the walkway to Thompson Bolling. The baketball marketing dept found out about us (about 70-100 students) being out there, and they were up at 6am taking names and saving our spots in line so we could go to class. I went and took my test, came back, and an hour or two before game time Bruce and Wayne Chism came out toting about 70 boxes of pizza for what was now a massive crowd of probably 2000 students. They let those of us that had camped out come in the stadium as soon as the women’s team was done with practice, and Pat Summit came and shook some hands and signed some t-shirts. Bruce came by and told us how much that kind of support meant. Then Peyton Manning walks in a few minutes before game time with Jeff Saturday and Brandon Stokley and takes his seat right across the court from us. Bruce won his 3rd game against Florida in 4 tries that night, and Joakim Noah got heckled worse than I’ve ever heard before or since. It’s remembring experiences like that, and like the 2006 Cal game that will get me through seasons like 2008 and whatever the future of Basketball can throw at me.

Also, I have noticed the positive tone around here and I like it. I think it meshes really well with how I feel. I mean yeah we’re fans and we’re going to be disappointed, but that doesn’t mean you pack it in in the middle of the season, stop cheering altogether, or ask for the coach to be fired.

by Prometheus1185 on Mar 14, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2008 was a football reference.

In that last post.

Like I said, I’m happy with Basketball this year.

by Prometheus1185 on Mar 14, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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