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Johnny Majors in the house. That Neyland Built. And that Fulmer has vacated.

Yeah, so Johnny Majors, who's never forgiven Phillip Fulmer and likely never will, actually found his way into a practice meeting and onto the practice field after 17 years of staying away. Not surprisingly, Majors praised everything about the practice, including the tempo, the energy, the effort, the attitude, and the fact that Fulmer wasn't there.

Okay, I made that last part up, but you know he was thinking it. Look, I think it's good that Majors is back in the fold. I've really appreciated Mike Hamilton and Bruce Pearl being able to repair rifts between the basketball program and former players. And yeah, it's way too early to have Fulmer attending practice or anything like that. Years down the road, yes. This week? This year? No.

But I found the unilateral public animosity from Majors throughout Fulmer's tenure very disappointing, and I can't help empathizing with Fulmer over this story. To his credit, Fulmer is still displaying his characteristic class by opening his mouth only to say positive things or by simply remaining silent.

The reaction to this news seems to me to be overwhelmingly positive, but for some reason, it's nagging at me. What do y'all think?

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On the balance, it bothers me too.

The rift between Johnny and the University was a symptom, not the problem. The problem was the relational wound between Majors and Fulmer, and he’s still doing absolutely nothing to heal that. In fact, the appearance and the overflowing approval seem to be another way that Johnny is getting a dig in at Fulmer.

It wouldn’t matter if Fulmer were a total scoundrel who cheated, broke NCAA rules left and right, and left the program in a total state of disgrace and ruin; this kind of continued animosity isn’t healthy for anybody.

That said, this is at least a good first step. Symptom or no, the gap between UT and Majors is very real and closing that is a good thing. Kiffin is right to encourage it, and I’m glad it has been a positive for some of the players as well.

by Hooper on Mar 27, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Johnny is a hero of mine, and that’s all I will say as far as how I feel about him personally.

While I never really particularly liked Majors public handling of this situation, he has never said anything that I haven’t said to friends and fellow Vol fans about Fulmer. If we’re going to empathize with anyone, I would think it’s Majors. Yes, we should frown on Majors and his on-the-record commentary about Phil over the years. But I realize this: I’m not sure that I’d ever forgive someone who helped pull my dream job out from under me either.

by Oskie on Mar 27, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I see that

And that situation stunk for Majors.

But what was Fulmer to do? My understanding is that Majors had serious heart trouble and needed to be out for awhile, and Fulmer was asked to stand in. Who would say no to that? And you’d want the sub to do his best, right? So he did, he did well, and when Majors returned, the team tanked, if I remember right. Then, my guess is that the administration asked Fulmer if he wanted the job. Who would say no to that, especially if the administration told him that Majors was going to be out and they’d be looking for a replacement regardless of whether Fulmer accepted.

Now my understanding of the situation may be flawed because I haven’t researched it, and I’m just going on memory from reading snippets here and there over time. But if that is what happened, I don’t know how one could fault Fulmer for saying yes to the offer. I can see how Majors wouldn’t like the situation, but I don’t know that Fulmer did anything wrong, and if he didn’t, well he shouldn’t be disparaged. Majors lost his job to Fulmer, much like Fulmer lost his to Kiffin.

Now if Fulmer used his position within the organization to orchestrate and/or lobby for the transition, then I would completely understand, but like hooper said above, making it public even then wouldn’t serve much purpose other than making everyone look bad. But if there’s some evidence of Fulmer doing anything other than accepting an offer that was made to him, I’d like to know what it is so I can reevaluate.

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by Joel on Mar 27, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to know the same thing as well.

I wasn’t around at the time, and all of my information is secondhand. It makes for a very muddy and unreliable picture of the events, and I’m very reluctant to assign blame for the Majors-to-Fulmer transition on anybody without something very concrete.

But a lot of people have been using the lastest coaching change as an opportunity to grind some axes against Fulmer, which really isn’t any better than what Majors has been doing over the last 17 years. At some point (in both cases), everybody has to accept that what’s done is done and will never be altered. It may never be resolved in some idealistic sense (much like most problems we’ve all experienced in our own lives) and sometimes it’s just better to let things go.

Welcome Majors back into the fold and appreciate the good things he’s one. Likewise, appreciate the good things that Fulmer has done. We can remember that it wasn’t always perfect, but we don’t have to let the problems own our reactions.

by Hooper on Mar 27, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was he drunk at the time?

Gosh dammit, KNS, give us news we can use!

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by Holly on Mar 27, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That depends...

Was it a day ending in “y”?

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by birdjam on Mar 27, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry, that should have read

“How drunk was he at the time?” In my head, he’s actually sitting in an oak barrel on the sideline. [scurries off to Photoshop]

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by Holly on Mar 27, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Majors

Coach Majors seems to always get a little too much blame for this.
He doesn’t bring Fulmer up himself in most of these situations.
At the same time he answers the questions, and says how he feels.
Lets be honest, has anyone really assigned any blame to Fulmer.
What really was his role?
I don’t hear any apologies from him in this situation.
He is the one who let it fester.

Its good to have Johnny back home after all these years.
Because we all know, no matter who was at fault…. it didn’t have to be this way.

by bearcatvol on Mar 27, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is truth to that.

In most interviews, it’s the reporters who bring up the Majors/Fulmer thing and he simply responds. Of course, they know that he will always respond, so it becomes a bit of a self-perpetuating problem.

As far as Fulmer’s role: I don’t know any details at all. If he’s clean, as Joel’s hypothetical scenario would suggest, then he has nothing to apologize for. And vice versa.

But yes, having Majors back is good. Let the healing begin.

by Hooper on Mar 27, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It should be noted, however...

… that when I watched the 6:00 news the day of the announcement of Fulmer’s resignation, (I think it was) WVLT went live to a reporter who was standing next to Coach Majors in what appeared to be the parking lot of that golf shop off Cedar Bluff (yes, there is a liquor store in that same shopping center, why do you ask?)

Coach Majors pulled the “I don’t want to comment on Coach Fulmer” routine that would appear to be “taking the high road” to most people, but it seemed funny to me that he would agree to go on camera on that particular day just to say that. And I suppose it’s possible that WVLT sent camera crews to every liquor store in Knoxville to try to ambush Coach Majors, but it seems more likely that he was contacted in advance and agreed to meet them and appear on camera. The whole thing just seemed like he was gloating a bit.

I didn’t blame him for it, but it just seemed a little odd to me. And on that particular occasion, I really don’t think you could say it was the media’s fault for asking him about the Fulmer situation. The REAL high road would have been telling WVLT, “no thank you, I don’t want to go on camera live with you because it would look like gloating.”

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Mar 27, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Major’s isn’t innocent regarding the ongoing media play of his tiff. At best, he’s allowing the media to use him for cheap publications. At worst, he’s using them to get digs in against Fulmer while maintaining the “but they asked me a question” facade. The truth most undoubtedly lies in between, with elements of both extremes in play.

by Hooper on Mar 27, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really like it.

I wasn’t following Tennessee when the Majors/Fulmer feud occured so I really have no opinion either way.

 What I do like about it though is that Coach Kiffin is embracing the program and its history. Every new coach talks about the great traditions of X university in their inaugural presser but this is actually backing it up.

I think a lot of the fear in bringing in an outsider to run the program is those connections will be lost, and things like this show Kiffin is doing what he can to keep the family together.

by Getoffmyvols on Mar 27, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That's a great point in your last sentence.

The Majors approval can really help make Kiffin “one of our own”. It’d be wonderful if Tennessee stays Tennessee, even with an outsider coach.

by Hooper on Mar 27, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like it

It seemed to excite the players, which is what matters.

"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook

by rustytanton on Mar 27, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Call me a cynical and grumpy old man...

… but I’m a little surprised these 18- and 19-year-old kids knew who he was.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Mar 27, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is my favorite part of the article.
"He kind of grinned and slowly turned around and he said ‘Hello coach.’"

It was the first time Berry, who will be a junior this fall, met Majors, who was an All-American and the runner-up for the Heisman Trophy in 1956.

"It was kind of a shock," Berry said of the meeting. "It was good finally meeting him and seeing what kind of person he is."

"It feel pretty good, just seeing a legend in Tennessee history to be at practice and have a conversation with him. I heard a lot of great stories from my dad about him. It was a pleasure finally meeting him."

That had to be pretty cool to meet your Dad’s college coach for the first time.

by Getoffmyvols on Mar 27, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

That would have been pretty sweet.

by Hooper on Mar 27, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the record.....

Fulmer was a scumbag. He was the type of guy that was all about “What are you doing for me now?” He treated his players and coaches with the same unilateral disrespect throughout his entire career. You were his golden hair boy until you weren’t, then you were no better than the trash they picked up off the streets. I worked at the University for 4 years and coached at a neighboring college during the latter years of Fulmer’s career. I knew many of the coaches and players all well enough to make this statement without any reservation. So for Pat Washington, Jimmy Ray Stephens, Mark Bradley and the CJ Leaks of the world, just to name a few, I hope Majors keeps digging until the sees the light on the other end.

by KaBarsEdge on Mar 27, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The coaches picked up trash off the streets? That's awful nice!

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by Holly on Mar 28, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Majors not that great

While I was at the University Majors was the coach and times were not that great. Sure he won a championship at Pitt in 1976, but didn’t bring anything to Tennessee when Johnny came marching home. He went to a few bowl games and did beat Alabama in 1983(first in 17 years). He wasn’t much of a people person. I walked on the team in 1982. I only spent two weeks with the team and I realized I was way over my head, but I never talked with Coach Majors not even once. It did not suprise me when Coach Majors was fired and Coach Fulmer was hired because he was Tennessee family. I was suprised about Kifen being hired because he is an “outsider”. I do think it is great that Majors is is back in some way though as will be Fulmer in a few years.

by cougar79 on Mar 28, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Majors verus Phat Phil versus the media

I have read the posts on here and it amazing to me the amount of media influence on what people perceive as reality. Majors was a drunk, give me a break, at the time the SEC coaching circles were all of the Bear way of being a southern gentleman and a bottle of bourbon was always to be found in a desk drawer. Tenn is no different than any school and the boosters ruling the day, only difference is the need for someone who is homegrown, and that is the reason Phat Phil got the job over more highly qualified candidates. Fulmer at any other major college football powerhouse, would have been gone 5 years ago, that in itself should tell you something.

by BigOrangeNation on Mar 29, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Johnny Majors

Once a hero now a shriveled bitter old man. Phil Fulmer was not his undoing but his attitude toward his players. Fulmer class so far out ranks Majors. However Johnny is the same class as the Kiffin’s and his staff. I still remember when Majors was in Dale Carter’s face on the sideline, network cut to commercial and when they came back to the game he was still yelling at the kid… Yes, Carter needed some coaching for what he had just done.. but Majors went way to far and in my opinion lost the respect of many Vol fans. Welcome back Johnny….. I for one says “Who Cares”!!!

by stjogun on Apr 3, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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