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Talking points: who wants Robert Marve?

Former Miami quarterback Robert Marve.

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Former Miami quarterback Robert Marve.

Tennessee football

  • Okay, so former Miami QB Robert Marve is yet to decide between Purdue and Tennessee, but he'll apparently announce his decision Friday, a statement that assumes he'll make a decision by Friday. Or maybe it will be like picking a hat out of . . . a hat . . . and surprise! It's [Lucky School!]

    Anyway . . . if you'd like to catch up on Marve, check out Purdue blog Hammer and Rails, which, because of a Miami fan blog wife, has a pretty good feel for him and concludes that they don't want him. Which leads to a question: would you rather have Daniel Hood, who did something despicable six years ago but has displayed character since then or someone who's done two things merely stupid (one suspension each over the past two seasons for arrest and missing classes) more recently? Hmm.
  • Inside Tennessee continues profiling incoming freshmen, this week looking at LB Robert Nelson, who's running three miles in 18 minutes to work these days ($), and DB Darren Myles, who merely wants to become a Freshman All-American ($).

Tennessee basketball

  • Tyler Smith has been working out for the San Antonio Spurs and the Cleveland Cavaliers, and will be seeing the Washington Wizards and Chicago Bulls later this week. According to Mike Griffith, various draft sites project Smith to be drafted anywhere from 27th and 43rd overall, the 8th and 12th small forward taken.

Housekeeping!

Having put most of the Big Project to bed, we're brainstorming the rest of the off season. Current tentative plans include another Best Plays thing like the brackets we did the last two years. (Yes, we were able to find 16 good plays from 2008, why do you ask?) The 2007 contest was won by Big Dan Williams and 2006 features none other than Jonathan Crompton.We plan to kick off 2008 on Monday.

Also included in the tentative plans are reviews of last year's freshmen, sliding 2008 into the morgue drawer, and turning to 2009, looking at the incoming players and the upcoming opponents. Anyway, if there's anything you'd like to see this summer, drop a suggestion in the comments below.

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Please develop a time machine...

and fast forward us through this summer to fall practice.

Hooper, i’m looking at you nuclear man.

by guilded on May 19, 2009 9:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just want him to tell me when the '09 recruiting class is finally over.

I’m still sitting on some number-crunching that’s waiting for people like Marve and Moody to make their minds up.

by Hooper on May 19, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can understand getting behind a second chance for Hood, but...

This guy’s arrest for punching a car mirror and a suspension for cutting classes is not remotely comparable to what Hood did. That comparison trivializes what Hood did.

"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook

by rustytanton on May 19, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fair point

Absolutely didn’t mean to trivialize.

But I’m not sure a comparison of a really, really bad “did” with a not so bad but continuing “do” isn’t something worth discussing. Especially until hooper gets that time machine working.

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by Joel on May 19, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no problem with the question at all...

And I don’t think it trivializes anything.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on May 19, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understood.

Without getting into comparing the actual events, it is a worthy point of discussion whether Hood’s admission into the program has [insert favorite slippery slope-like analogy here] for red flag cases. If the “changed life” standard that Hood was admitted under an absolute, or is there some sort of ethical sliding scale where somebody who’s been bad to a far less heinous degree doesn’t need to show as much of a turnaround?

It does become a very engaging discussion once you lay down some initial ground rules.

by Hooper on May 19, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A point about the Purdue blog's skittishness about Marve:

I would not trust a Miami fan for judgment on Marve. Right now, they’re laying a whole lot of blame at his feet. Whether that’s fair is an interesting discussion, but most of the blame is coming out of anger and disappointment: the departing QB makes a fantastic scapegoat.

I’m not saying one way or another on Marve – just that Miami fans aren’t the best source of information about the kid right now.

by Hooper on May 19, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Marve

The biggest red flag that I had in that whole article was the block quote on his missing class and being a partier with entitlement issues.

I certainly don’t think he thinks that hes going to get away with things like missing classes under Kiffin’s tight watch these days, nor will he be entitled to a starting position as he will have to work for it just like everybody else. As for the arrest, it was stupid on his part – sounds like a drunken bad decision – so I hope he corrects that but in the grand scheme of things, its a pretty minor arrest.

His stats were decent – I don’t think hes going to solve any QB problems at UT – but UT needs some insurance and some arms because we’re so thin in the position.

I hate Miami football with a passion, so can anybody comment on their O-Line shape when Marve was playing? I wonder if the perceived poor stats were his doing, or maybe a larger problem with QB protection.

now with less meyton panning.

by Pride of the Southland on May 19, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Oline was pretty solid

WRs were all very young, I think, but on the flipside, a lot of them went to HS with Marve.

I really don’t think we can judge him too much based on his stats. He was RS Freshman (and since his reason for redshirting was medical, I would say he was pretty close to a true frosh). Compare his stats to Stafford’s as a freshman. That’s not to say he is a future #1 pick in the draft… just that we really can’t look at his stats and say, “Oh man he sucks!”

by rblakeh on May 19, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys, thanks for the link

I think part of Marve’s problem last year was the Miami was just so young at nearly every position. They won some games they should have lost, but lost some they should have won. Even at Florida they held the Gators to a one-possession game at the start of the fourth quarter.

I just don’t like that Marve doesn’t have a lot of patience when things don’t go his way. He didn’t really separate himself from Harris and wasn’t happy about that. plus, the rules he violated weren’t exactly difficult rules to stay in line with.

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by BoilerTMill on May 19, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair point.

On both counts.

by Hooper on May 19, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miami fans "didn't want" Bryce Brown, either

Marve had decent numbers (for a freshman) and the potential is there for him to be a great QB.

by rblakeh on May 19, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i would much rather

have someone who committed a heinous act in their youth who has subsequently been a model student and citizen than some miami goon who cuts class and gets suspended left and right.
if he is a discipline problem for miami, what will he be at a school that actually wants to at least pretend like character is an important consideration during recruiting? kinda like wondering how screwed up neil young had to have been for a moral giant like david crosby to get fed up with his behavior.

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by hal41605 on May 19, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Hood

Will do fine. He seem to be pulled in more by peer pressure then the actual act. I had a Gator fan come by my office last week and say I heard you guys signed a rapist. I said yeah were trying to improve our relationship with Alabama. : )

Phil,GO VOLS !!!

by bulldurham on May 19, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He seems like a "non-hacker."

I don’t know if he packs the gear to serve in my beloved corps.

by wvvol on May 19, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Isn't he walking on at UT, if he chooses da Vols?

What’s the skin off Kiffin’s nose if he takes the risk? Put the guy into a disciplined set-up (win in the classroom, win off the field) & compete like crazy for a spot on the field. If he blows it, he’s gone. No harm to UT for trying to cut the kid a break and no scholarship implications if he fails (APR and all that).

btw, Hood’s actions were awful, but sometimes people do bad stuff and turn around. He looks like he has turned around, although the consequences of what he did will be with him for the rest of his life. Rather have someone who has fallen on his face and gets back up than someone with an entitlement mentality who hasn’t learned from his mistakes.

by memphispete on May 19, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he'll be a walk-on if he goes to UT.

The fear is whether he’d be an attitude cancer in the lockerroom. Even without a scholly, a bad headcase can be highly detrimental. But other than that, there is certainly less overall risk taken by the university if he’s not on scholarship.

by Hooper on May 19, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you really think Kiffin will put up with attitude?

He’s already run off a ton of attitude. If the kid’s a head case, he isn’t staying. They’ve got too much work to do to rebuild a top flight program to put up with a bunch of, um, attitude. Just my opinion.

And, I know nothing about the kid other than the mistakes he’s made at Miami and the clips I’ve seen on the boards. Not vouching for him or recommending we take the risk. Just think the risk, absent a scholly, is not as great as some are making it out to be.

by memphispete on May 19, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm certain Kiffin wouldn't bring him in if he thought it would be a problem.

The question is how the risk will play out, which is an unknown. It’s a judgment call more so than anything concrete.

But I do agree: the risk is lower. Even if he is a lockerroom nightmare, it’s a lot easier to shut out a walk-on than a scholly guy.

by Hooper on May 19, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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