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Some thoughts on the Daniel Hood situation

I have been mulling over UT's decision to give Daniel Hood a football scholarship.

As you've likely read by now, Hood was convicted when he was 13 years old in assisting with the rape of his cousin. He is 17 now, and by all accounts, he has been a model citizen since who says he is remorseful and is not running away from his crime in public statements.

John Adams wrote an asinine column today about the situation, which was the first I'd read about it. The reasoning Adams offered for why offering him a scholarship was a bad decision was cynical and sad. My first reaction was to take the opposite position, since Adams' opinions add about as much value to the public dialogue as the Boston Globe's stock would add to your investment portfolio.

But then I read the court document that Clay Travis linked to and it made my stomach turn. Not just the description of the act itself, which was heinous, but Hood's victim-blaming and lack of remorse in the immediate aftermath.

I also am extremely uncomfortable in particular with how the vicitm's forgiveness is being used as evidence that he has reformed. That doesn't prove anything. Victims of rape frequently don't even report what happened because they are too scared. More importantly, victims of rape and abuse will often rationalize the perpetrator's actions.

Nor do the glowing recommendations from his school really mean all that much. People have this image of rapists as sketchy men in trench coats who lurk in alleys, but most of them are people who by all appearances are upstanding members of society.

Our court system has determined that juveniles are supposed to get second chances as adults, with the record wiped clean, for almost any crime. Since the incident happened when Hood was 13, we aren't even supposed to have even known about it. That the information is public knowledge at all was due to someone's mistake.  

Believe me, did I ever make some poor decisions when I was a teenager that would not reflect well on me now if they were public knowledge. I will only elaborate enough to say I am very fortunate to be the beneficiary of some second (and third) chances in life myself.

So, it's fair to say we wouldn't be having this discussion at all had it not been for a mistake made by the courts; that for every Daniel Hood with a crime like this that we know about, there are thousands more like him that we will never hear about because our justice system has determined we shouldn't. Some of them will reform and go on to lead productive lives. Others will squander their second chance.

Ultimately, it is a judgment call, and there is no formula to determine the right decision. Lane Kiffin has determined that Hood means what he says, that his actions have demonstrated he has reformed, and that he isn't a sociopath who is pulling the wool over everyone's eyes. Everyone involved understands this is an extremely risky decision, and they appear to  have been as transparent about making it as they possibly could have been.

It would have been hard for me to make the same decision that Lane Kiffin made. But it was probably hard for someone else to offer me a second chance, many years ago.

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Great post

It’s definitely a tough call, and there is no clear right or wrong “answer” to it. While I’m betting there are plenty of media establishments trying to water the situation down into a simplistic black-and-white issue, it certainly is anything but.

It’s tough because we can never truly know what is in a person’s head, what their motivations are, and can only take them at their word. But sometimes that’s not so easy when we know other things too, such as that the survivor of the assault might be publicly “forgiving” him as a way to get attention off of her and avoid being put through the media (and general public) wringer than rape survivors are put through nine times out of ten. I can’t say I could blame her for just wanting to make it go away and not having to put up with strangers who feel entitled to scrutinize every little detail (that they know about) of what must have been one of the most horrific moments of her life.

I think the one thing that is certain is that the justice system screwed up in terms of not keeping the records closed; BUT, just because they screwed up, that does not preclude adjusting one’s assessment of Hood based on the information we have due to said screw-up.

Oh and on a personal note, as for people giving you a second chance? They definitely did, and you’re definitely fortunate in that regard; but there are levels and gradations. You didn’t do something that will stick in someone’s psyche for the rest of their life in the way Hood did.

by amberlrhea on May 6, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said.

Welcome to RTT, btw. Any friend of rusty is a friend of the blog.

by Hooper on May 7, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was/is the comment i made about this over at RBR...i stand by every word.

I know this might mean nothing but my feelings about this have nothing to do with which sport team i pull for…this guys…is real life..

I cant believe this..shocked actually…

13 years old…If you can do something like this at 13, just think what he can do now?!?!!? Like others have said, this isn’t shop lifting or smoking. This is rape..This is a crime that is totally psychological… IMO the juvenile rule doesn’t apply here.

Now, Im a staunch Christian, in fact im a youth pastor and I certainly believe in forgiveness. The fact that this kid isn’t locked away in a insane asylum or worse, shows me that forgiveness has been given. But just because you are "forgiven" doesn’t mean you can go about your business as usual. There are consequences to actions and to me, allowing this kid to go to college and play football ON SCHOLARSHIP isn’t punishing him. Correct me if Im wrong but aren’t you ineligible for college admission if you are convicted of a felony in HS?Honestly though, Im not sure what the legal process was and I really don’t care. This is a sick person.

This is greater than a heinous crime. To me, rapist are the scum of the earth…lower than the dirt, that’s stuck to dung, which is stuck to the bottom of my shoe. Call it the father of a young girl in me but I say castrate him…in public…kidnap…Duct tape over 70% of her body…a foreign object used in the rape…it was his relative…Again this goes MUCH deeper than whats on the surface…This kid has major problems…

You can have him UT, he should fit in well and I hope to God he doesn’t do this to some girl while he is there…

Kiffin..i have lost the last bit of respect that i never had for you…

good day sir!

‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban

by bammer on May 7, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

now am i disgusted with UT for siging him...

yes! I really am ashamed of kiffin on this one and not because im a bama fan. Im ashamed as a fellow father. We all jab at each other as rival fans but this goes too far….if this kid had just gone too far with a girlfriend and paid his do’s…then i give him a pass (i would still find him disgusting) but his actions are text book psychopath.

This was no mistake…mistakes are you lied about where you were last night…mistakes are cheating on tests or whatever…And i really don’t care if he was only 13…he knew what he was doing…and if he didn’t at 13, then that shows he’s mentally unstable…this just sickens me..

‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban

by bammer on May 7, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sarcasm??

‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban

by bammer on May 7, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Official MCM Hater!

by gramsey712 on May 7, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well since you haven't replied i can only assume you

are saying that they were in fact NOT christian like posts…if you really did mean they were than disregard my reply below :)

Why aren’t they? Are Christians just supposed to say…“Its ok little buddy..better luck next time..Jesus loves you”? Aren’t we supposed to stand up and say…“This is wrong”! “I forgive him, but this is wrong!”

If you can look past the duct tape, the kidnapping, the object used to rape her then I guess you are a better man than me. But as a father of a young girl…this guy is sick. Im not casting him into the fiery furnace, im just saying he shouldn’t be allowed to go to college on a free ride…especially when his accomplice got 10 years…

‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban

by bammer on May 7, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did reply.

“Now, I am a staunch Christian”

“To me, rapist are the scum of the earth…lower than the dirt, that’s stuck to dung, which is stuck to the bottom of my shoe. Call it the father of a young girl in me but I say castrate him”

Sounds really “staunch” to me.

I don’t condone what he did, but I also am not going to judge the person he is now. CAUSE I DON"T KNOW HIM.

And I am not going to go trolling on a blog saying that I am a “staunch Christian” and then run him down, fo sho.

Official MCM Hater!

by gramsey712 on May 7, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whew. You mean you don’t find that knee wanting to jerk and just wanting to start kicking whatever you come across?

now with less meyton panning.

by Pride of the Southland on May 7, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you can look past the duct tape, the kidnapping, the object used to rape her then I guess you are a better man than me. But as a father of a young girl…this guy is sick. Im not casting him into the fiery furnace, im just saying he shouldn’t be allowed to go to college on a free ride…especially when his accomplice got 10 years…

No knee jerk here. I hate to bring this up but if UF had signed him what would you say?

‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban

by bammer on May 7, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t claim to be a better man than any other man. Never have, never will. The knee-jerk reaction I am referring to is the ridiculous claim that he shouldn’t be allowed to attend an academic institution, that he should be denied the right of education.

Thats a conclusion that I cannot understand who it helps in any situation.

Theres a reason why there are programs in prisons for educating felons and criminals.

now with less meyton panning.

by Pride of the Southland on May 7, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and to answer your question, if UF signed him, I would be on the same side of the line I am on now. it wouldn’t change my stance at all, and why should it? He deserves the chance at an education like anyone else, felon or not. If Tennessee decided to pass on him like the other 3 SEC schools, that is Kiffins choice. And if Florida decided to take him, that is Meyer’s choice. See comment below: How is giving this kid a chance any different from your hiring manager giving a felon a chance? Continually punishing this kid for the rest of his life, closing every door he comes to, helps no one.

How is he ever supposed to grow?

This fate that you have relegated him to is a fate worse than jail.

now with less meyton panning.

by Pride of the Southland on May 7, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there is a reason

why most convicted rapist get treated like the scum that they are even in jail…this isn’t selling weed….i just don’t get how people can look past it…

‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban

by bammer on May 7, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does that prove?

What does the way a convicted rapist get treated in jail have to do with how a man is supposed to go on with his life?

How does that answer my question??

I have not said, in any way, to look past it. I have only advocated letting the man have an education. Even felons in jail, whether for selling weed or raping a girl, have the right to educate themselves.

So go back, and re-think that argument, then come back and answer my question.

now with less meyton panning.

by Pride of the Southland on May 7, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I may:

It seems you two have different philosophical underpinnings on a couple points. I think it’s safe to say that, at least within the confines of ‘net chatting, you won’t find sufficient common ground to walk away pleased.

It’s probably best to acknowledge this and walk away at this point. There is so much involved in this that nobody’s even brought up yet that we’re at total danger of devolving from being a Vols sports blog to either a screed blog or a psychology/ethics/morality/religion/law/somethingish blog.

The same offer applies as did the other discussion. Cool?

by Hooper on May 7, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My apologies Hooper.

Personally, I thought this conversation was okay being that this was a fan post dealing primarily with the logistics and ethics of such a decision for UT. Otherwise, I guess there isn’t much else to discuss about in this fanpost. But if you feel its a better discussion kept private or email, thats fine and I am more than happy to discuss my viewpoints in private/between bammer and I.

I don’t know the logistics of him getting my email/me getting his but I am more than willing to accommodate.

now with less meyton panning.

by Pride of the Southland on May 7, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, no apologies needed.

The conversation was quite alright. The reason I brought that up is that we’re really beginning to head into some deep waters with this, and Hood’s case involves far more than what RTT is really set to handle.

There’s nothing wrong with offering opinions and feelings on the matter, and we’re bound to have disagreements. I was more concerned with the conversation ending up in a death spiral, so I wanted to offer a way out that avoids that whole ‘getting the last word in’ problem. From a third person POV, both of you have stated your positions quite clearly as well as your thoughts on the other’s position. That’s all that I was looking at.

by Hooper on May 7, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bamaman82@gmail.com

‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban

by bammer on May 7, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

honestly though Pride..

After reading the transcripts from the hearing NOTHING will change my mind….it actually made my feelings on this stronger..

‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban

by bammer on May 7, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You got an email.

Maybe it won’t change your mind, but you should try and keep it open anyways.

now with less meyton panning.

by Pride of the Southland on May 7, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again

what should Christians do right now?? I cant be disgusted at him? I just don’t get how you can look the other way…

Trolling…really…i didn’t create the thread…just commented. I comment here a lot. Not as much as others but i do…sucks thats its usually controversial but hey…thats my style. :)

‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban

by bammer on May 7, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are welcome to be disgusted.

The whole event disgusts me as well.

It’s just a little hypocritical to drop the “staunch Christian” tag and then drop your judgement on him in the same breath.

That is really played out.

Official MCM Hater!

by gramsey712 on May 7, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

my point about being staunch is that im a devout christian who understands the word of God. Now, I have said many times, im not sending him to hell…if he’s made ammends then good for him…

But there are consequences to ones actions and from all accounts…hes paid none. Being allowed to live his life as like the even never happened isn’t teaching him or others anything. At some point and at some time SOMEONE needs to be made an example of. When the 17 year old accomplice gets 10 years and he gets virtually nothing…come on you gotta see the hypocrisy in that.

Saying that im a hypocrite cause im a christian but yet i judge him is also played out. I hope he goes on to live a decent life but again…he shouldn’t get a free ride..

‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban

by bammer on May 7, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the State made the decision to take him out of his home and made him a ward of the state

And refused to try him as an adult.

And it’s not up to me, or you, or Joel, or Nick Saban, to decide to punish him more.

He paid the punishment that he was given. And, according to all the people WHO ACTUALLY KNOW THE KID, he has cleaned up his act. So I am happy with it.

Official MCM Hater!

by gramsey712 on May 7, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

And how is Kiffin giving Hood a chance at college sports, at an education, any different from your white-collar CEO or hiring manager giving an ex-felon a chance at a job?

now with less meyton panning.

by Pride of the Southland on May 7, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im just shocked

that people are being so…nice. Rape is the most disgusting crime committed. To me its worse than murder….and its something that I can never look past…

i wish i could but i just cant…

‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban

by bammer on May 7, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not up to us...

to forgive. Or to judge. Sin is sin, and as a Christian I believe it is all equally offensive to God, but I also believe that it’s been paid for. Also, I think that your contention that he hasn’t suffered any consequences as a result of his actions is extremely inaccurate. Some of the consequences are obvious, many you or I will never know of.

by sddbaker on May 8, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus...

I realized later you said the crime of rape is worse than murder. So basically you are saying that in your opinion, what happened to this girl is worse than if they had just walked in, stuck a gun to her head, and blew her away. I guess it depends on how much you value life.

by sddbaker on May 8, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A suggestion for the two of you.

You’re perfectly within your rights to discuss the proper guidelines of commenting as a Christian about Hood. I don’t want to discourage that. However, this blog really isn’t the proper place for that discussion.

If it’s one you two want to have, may I suggest email or some form of IM? I can handle getting email addys across if you would like.

by Hooper on May 7, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As you said, this has nothing to do with fan rivalry.

In like form, none of my words on this matter (previous, now, or future) are given within the context of a UT fan.

I am curious about your thoughts on this matter regarding a few points:

1) By law, his record should never have been made public. UT (and every other program) should have had no idea what happened that night and consequently should have been unable to judge his potential for admission based on the events. With that, would it have been more proper for UT to (a) completely disregard what should never have been known or to (b) factor it in anyhow? (UT chose (b), but I’m instead asking which was more proper.)

2) You mention the bit about convictions of felonies in HS and ineligibility for admission. I’ll be honest: I never heard about that, but it wouldn’t surprise me. However, this occurred well before high school and therefore wouldn’t fall under that rule. Would you prefer the rule to be different, and how so? (This would also affect a 13-year old who was, for example, caught with felony possession of marijuana.)

3) Getting into the religious end of things: As a Christian, how does your view of human nature relate to the potential for people to commit an act like this? Is this something that, as “fallen” souls, everybody is capable of performing, or is this something that only a few could ever do? If the latter, what does it take for somebody to end up in that condition, and how is that different from most?

4) What would it take for us to no longer justifiably hold this against him? At what point does forgiveness include forgetting (if ever)?

5) In a Christian perspective of eternal consequence, how significant is the difference between the mistake of cheating on a test and the severely egregious sin of this act?

(Again, this has nothing to do with rivalry and nothing to do with arguing your POV. I’m not looking to change minds or justify any position. I would just like some more perspective on your opinion, if you don’t mind.)

by Hooper on May 7, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1) By law, his record should never have been made public. UT (and every other program) should have had no idea what happened that night and consequently should have been unable to judge his potential for admission based on the events. With that, would it have been more proper for UT to (a) completely disregard what should never have been known or to (b) factor it in anyhow? (UT chose (b), but I’m instead asking which was more proper.)

I don’t care about whether or not they should have been public..they are now and we have to deal with it. IMO its crap that this kid could have done such and thing and NOBODY would have known…At least now the girls of UT will know what he looks like and run the other way. and BTW, three other SEC teams passed on this kid due to his past…that should tell you something.

2) You mention the bit about convictions of felonies in HS and ineligibility for admission. I’ll be honest: I never heard about that, but it wouldn’t surprise me. However, this occurred well before high school and therefore wouldn’t fall under that rule. Would you prefer the rule to be different, and how so? (This would also affect a 13-year old who was, for example, caught with felony possession of marijuana.)

13 or 30….dont care. He committed a terrible crime, plain and simple. So if he had been 14 and had been in HS does that change anything? The act is still the same…As i said on RBR…13 is way past the age of innocence.

YOu can’t compare selling dope…to raping women…you just can’t

3) Getting into the religious end of things: As a Christian, how does your view of human nature relate to the potential for people to commit an act like this? Is this something that, as "fallen" souls, everybody is capable of performing, or is this something that only a few could ever do? If the latter, what does it take for somebody to end up in that condition, and how is that different from most?

IMO to do something of this nature you have to have psychological problems. Ill say it again, i can give the kid a pass if he had just gone too far with a GF. (he still scum but)This is on a totally different level. Forgiveness has been given…he’s not in jail, so he’s been given that. BUT the fact that he’s allowed go to college on a free ride isn’t about a 2nd chance or forgiveness…its getting away with it.

4) What would it take for us to no longer justifiably hold this against him? At what point does forgiveness include forgetting (if ever)?

Aren’t pedophiles forced to announce to the city where they are living…and they aren’t allowed to move anywhere near a school…isn’t this the same thing? He raped a girl. If he had been 16 (just 3 stinkin years older) he’d be in prison right now.

5) In a Christian perspective of eternal consequence, how significant is the difference between the mistake of cheating on a test and the severely egregious sin of this act?

whether or not he goes to “hell” is not my decision. Thats between him and God…but he better not come within 100 yards of my kid…

Look i know it probably sounds like im an angry bama fan but im not. Im a pissed off father, who believes people like this should be locked away. Castrated then locked away. Sorry if thats harsh but thats how i feel.

‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban

by bammer on May 7, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.

I can’t argue with any of that and I don’t think I would try even if I could. It’s an ugly situation and we’re going to have a wide range of opinions on the matter.

The responses helped me understand your POV better, so thanks for that. This isn’t a counterpoint, but clarification: I brought the 13-year old possession thing up as an example where changing the law about school attendance would affect more easily dismissable cases than this one; that was intended to suggest that it might not be easy to change the rule such that Hood wouldn’t be eligible for college. It was not meant to compare the two offenses.

Are we cool with stating our opinions, respectfully agreeing/disagreeing for non-fanbased reasons, and realizing that there will be differences of opinion at the end of the day? If so, then again, thanks for the input.

And that last paragraph applies to everybody, not just bammer. Again, non-fanbased.

by Hooper on May 7, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, this is getting blown out of proportion and things need to be corrected.

Look, the actions he took part in, whether directly or indirectly, are deplorable. Theres no ifs, ands, or buts about it. I agree, that it is an awful crime to take part of in any way. I DO NOT CONDONE HIS ACTIONS, but request that we look at this situation LOGICALLY.

But you are advocating that the kid be kept out of college because of a crime he committed – a felony – that he be denied a higher education? If you truly want to stop crimes of these natures from ever happening again, the solution is not to prevent someone from gaining an education. IN FACT, doing just that only severely limits his chances in life and quite possibly relegating him or other people in similar situations to turn to crime and become disenfranchised with the system. Who does that help? Education is key. Its the key to just about everything in life. Success, morality, ethics, ability, what have you. It doesn’t help him, it doesn’t help the victim, and it doesn’t help society. (and just so you know, there is no law whatsoever about felons attending college or receiving scholarships)

Furthermore, what does his participating in sports have to do with his past? If anything, it can help keep kids out of trouble. This, of course, is not always the case (I mean theres a reason theres a Fulmer cup), but it gives outlets. It gives options, and it can keep kids off the streets. He has proven himself a capable athlete, a good student, and has thus earned himself some reward for those actions, not an action that took place prior to his high school career. There is nothing that says a felon cannot have a higher education, nor a scholarship. He has proven himself a capable athlete, and a good student.

Finally, what do you know about this kid and his mental stability? You have not given him a psychological evaluation. You do not know what he does outside of school in the 4-5 years since this incident. You have made a judgment on his character based on incomplete evidence.

He has proven himself in the classroom, and as far as we know by what is in the public sphere, he has not been a part of any other criminal activities. He has shown some level of maturity and introspection towards the crime, something that admittedly, he did not show after the crime. But a lot can change a person, and 4 years of high school are important, character-building years that can bring a lot of change in a person. I think this quote shows you where his head is:

"I had a good friend tell me I should go as far west as possible, [b]ut I don’t think that it’s a situation that I should try to avoid. It was heinous. It was awful. Any bad thing you could say about it would probably fit it.

"But I think it’s not trying to put it in a corner and forget it ever happened. I think you have to take it and learn from it and grow from it. … I’ve got a debt to (the victim) that I can never repay, just trying to throw it away like it never happened would be the worst thing I could do for her."

I am not saying he is redeemed, rehabilitated, or anything beyond that he does show remorse and some understanding of the impact of his actions, and the choices he has already made, and how they will affect his future choices.

What happened was despicable, and he has to live with it the rest of his life. He knows this, and it affects every choice he will make from then and until he dies. But denying him an education, an outlet, the ability to grow and prove that he is a better person, that he has learned his lesson, is helping no one.

So go ahead, be the first to throw that stone.

now with less meyton panning.

by Pride of the Southland on May 7, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this is the last thing I will say about this on RTT
So go ahead, be the first to throw that stone.

The context in which Jesus said that in Matthew was in reference to people condemning people to hell or death due to their sin…

Im not condemning him..im holding him to the crime in which he committed. When felons get out of prison there are certain jobs they will never be able to get. Rapists/ convicted sexual defenders cant even live within a few miles of a school. Whats the worst he got? A ward of the state?? Thats not a punishment…Also, this kid gets off virtually scot free. Sure he has the mental thing to get over but hes going to get a great education and will one day have the opportunity to enter the NFL draft and make millions…thats something his accomplice and all other scum bags like him wont’ get…the double standard makes me sick.

‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban

by bammer on May 8, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right in every way

‘When you build a house and you make it hurricane-proof by putting certain kinds of windows in it, and use cement instead of stick construction and all that kind of stuff, you’re getting prepared for what? A hurricane that may or may never every come." ’We’re going to have 12 hurricanes next year, we know they’re coming.’
- Coach Nick Saban

by bammer on May 9, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bravo pride

The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.

by hal41605 on May 8, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It today's world talent trumps everything

Your prime examples are Pacman Jones, Chris Henry, Maurice Clarett, et al. If you have talent, it doesn’t matter what you have done, someone will try to make money off of you.

Reading the court papers for this case makes you sick. For his sake, I hope he is not the same person who committed that horrible crime.

I don’t blame UT for signing him, because if they didn’t somone else would have.

Envy our past......Fear our future

by btcoop71 on May 8, 2009 8:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

John Adams

He was spot on in his column. He’s not against second chances. He doesn’t have a problem with Daniel Hood. He is simply saying that if Tennessee wants to improve it’s image it won’t happen by signing players with a past like Hood’s. I totally agree. I wouldn’t have a problem with this if Tennessee had a reputation of successfully taking in troubled kids and turning them into productive members of society. In fact, Tennessee’s reputation is just the opposite. Daniel Hood can go play somewhere else. It’s an unfortunate situation, but at this point, I don’t believe it’s in Tennessee’s best interest to take in kids with this kind of history.

by golfballs03 on May 8, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Devil's Advocate

I do agree with John Adams, simply because he was trying to point out that the program is trying to improve it’s image, and signing Daniel Hood doesn’t help that case all. If Hood turns out to be a model student-athlete at UT, I’m sure a ton of people will be saying “I told you so.” But how would fans react if A) Hood signed a full scholarship to play football at another SEC school or B) Hood was not an athlete, yet he was admitted to the university?

I have a feeling that the majority of UT fans would be a lot more livid about this situation, if he weren’t coming to play football for their beloved Vols. It’s a lot easier to sling manure when your school isn’t the one in question.

I’m curious to know what everyone thinks about that second question. All college applications infer about a student’s criminal background, because the university reserves the right to refuse admittance based on his/her criminal record. If Hood wasn’t a high-profile athlete, we obviously wouldn’t even be hearing about this story, but would the university even be willing to admit him?

by tommotornado on May 8, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good points.

That’s a good question. I know some applications ask about criminal history, even if it has been expunged.

Regardless, it looks like this kid is here to stay. I hope that all of his free time is committed to community service. He needs to be appreciative and do everything he can to redeem UT for taking a chance on him.

by golfballs03 on May 8, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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