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Wow, this statement is really heavy:
In the six seconds it took him to cover the 54 yards of Fiesta Bowl turf, Goodrich’s life peaked.

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by gramsey712 on Jun 20, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

This article

Really should have been written as an indictment of the NFL as opposed To The Univeristy of Tennessee. I know Clay Travis isn’t the biggest Vol fan, but it is a little silly to place blame for any of the actions of these three on anyone at the university.

The reason I say the NFL is the league’s continuing pattern of failing to educate the rookies on how their lives will be changed by money and fame, see “Pac-Man”. You can’t go to strip clubs, you can’t party all night, and you certainly can’t father 9 kids by 8 woman (I think that’s the correct number). But, the actions of Stallworth, Goodrich, Little, Henry, and Jamal Lewis in no way reflect upon their education at Tennessee. I am also surprised Vol Maniac Clay Travis didn’t incorporate those last two in the article somehow.

Maybe the characters of certain players should be looked at a little more closely in recruiting, but that isn’t even necessarily productive given the pre-incident character reputations of the three listed in this article.

I liken this to someone indicting the University of Texas because Charles Whitman and Vince Young both attended and both used firearms or attempted to use firearms for suicide (as Young was rumored to have done). I know it’s a stretch, but so is this article by Travis. And that’s the point.

On a side note: Stallworth, in terribly tragic fashion, certainly proved the rumor that you can get a DUI the next morning even after “sleeping it off”.

Tennessee WILL beat Georgia on the way to 9+ wins in '09!!!

by VolBrian on Jun 20, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Hooper can chime in here

But I don’t know that you can use math to establish causation. Yeah, the odds of those particular circumstances happening is astronomical, but so is winning the lottery, and that happens all the time. It’s not necessarily because somebody did something non-trivial to make it happen — it’s just plain old rare.

I don’t know if that makes any sense. Hooper? Can you correct me or clarify?

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by Joel Hollingsworth on Jun 20, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Makes sense to me...

You can find statistics to justify or show improbability of everything happening or not happening. Just used here by Travis to try and make a story out of something that really isn’t. Without the math in there, he’s basically just calling the University of Tennessee a place that puts drunks on the road. Hell, even with the math he’s basically saying something along the lines of play football at Tennessee and you stand a much greater chance of killing someone later in life. It’s nonsense.

Tennessee WILL beat Georgia on the way to 9+ wins in '09!!!

by VolBrian on Jun 20, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Working on it.

The numbers in the article threw a bit of a red flag at me. I’m trying to work through them, and unless Clay’s using numbers and conditions not stated in the article, the math just doesn’t line up. That 0.0052 percent odds of occurrence over an 11-year span would mean that only 1,040 drivers per year were responsible for the 17,000 deaths per year. If you use that same percentage over only a 1-year period, it bumps up to 11,440, which is more reasonable.

Maybe I should just post this up once I’m through it all.

But to answer your question, Joel, you can’t use math alone to establish causation. There are conditions where causation can be established using statistics, but the amount of work involved in that is rather extraordinary.

by David Hooper on Jun 20, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected

It has come to my attention that Clay Travis IS actually somewhat of a Tennessee supporter/fan/whatever you want to call it.

So, I was wrong in some my above assertions.

My bad. :)

Still somewhat skeptical of how this situation may be inferred to be Tennessee’s fault. But, I’ll let Hoop take that one in his new write-up about the piece.

Tennessee WILL beat Georgia on the way to 9+ wins in '09!!!

by VolBrian on Jun 22, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

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