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Lane Kiffin getting more mileage out of fewer secondary violations

Sorry, Monte. We're not number one in secondary violations, just in value per.

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Sorry, Monte. We're not number one in secondary violations, just in value per.

By far, the most interesting take on the recent story about Lane Kiffin talking with prospects while ESPN cameras were rolling comes from the recruiting guru himself, ESPN's Bruce Feldman. I blame old age, politicians, and trans fats for not thinking of this earlier (despite the fact that we not only reviewed his fantastic book Meat Market but interviewed him as well), but Feldman wasn't just in the room for a "Hi, how are ya" but in the recruiting war room with Ed Orgeron and the entire Ole Miss staff for a year. Why wasn't that a secondary violation?

Has to be the timing, right? Perhaps it's only a violation if the story comes out before the prospect has signed. That's what Feldman was thinking, anyway, and so he set out to get some clarification from the NCAA, which "clarification" (by email; he couldn't get them on the phone -- surprise!) he published:

[BF] at 4:27 p.m.: And in terms of 13.10, if the media is in the presence of the coaches for a story about recruiting wouldn't that be a violation if there is any interaction by the coaches with recruits while the media is there? Or is it OK as long as the story is not published or aired until AFTER signing day?

Christopher Radford of the NCAA at 4:54: Coaches aren't allowed to publicize any contact with recruits, so as far as media presence goes, it is a violation if the coach talks about a specific prospect to a reporter, whether the story is published or not.

[BF] at 4:59: No, I'm talking about if the coach lets the reporter just observe and play fly-on-the-wall while they're going about their daily business and calling recruits.

Radford at 5:25: Theoretically, yes

[BF] at 5:42: Theoretically it would be a violation, regardless of whether the story came out before or AFTER signing day, does the timing matter?

Radford at 6: Timing does not matter.

So I guess that means that either Ole Miss or Ed Orgeron will soon be reporting 365 secondary violations for allowing Feldman to hang out with them and write Meat Market, and Ole Miss fans will be blaming Feldman for staging the whole thing.

Look, if Feldman doesn't know how the NCAA is going to interpret and enforce the rule, I don't know how we're supposed to know. In fact, I think it's highly likely that the NCAA is scurrying behind closed office doors and wondering in hushed tones whether they know. When an agency begins to preface answers to questions with "theoretically," that's a sure sign that they're confused about their own enforcement.

So what's the big deal? Lane Kiffin has self-reported or committed five, maybe six, secondary violations since he was hired six months ago. Sounds to me like he's on pace:

Truth is, almost every program has at least a dozen secondary violations a year. Until recently, they almost never made news.

Which is why historical information on them is so hard to find online. But we're beginning to find bits and pieces here and there, and those little nuggets are beginning to confirm that one secondary violation per month is not a big deal. As we discovered in our comment thread yesterday, the report that Ohio State has averaged nearly 40 secondary violations per year over the last ten did not originate with a Michigan blog but a Columbus, Ohio newspaper. And it appears that LSU reports about 50 per year, although the link to the original source is mysteriously unavailable.

So if everyone's doing it, why is Kiffin getting all of the attention? As Feldman says, he's "just been the most vocal and the most up front about it." That may actually be his undoing, assuming (1) there is some element of intent to the rules that would elevate the violations to something more serious than a secondary; and (2) his statements can be construed to infer intent.

Kiffin may have said that he meant to poke his rivals, but I doubt that he's said that he intended to break any rules. Posing the question of whether he's calculating or merely reckless may be a bit of a false dilemma.* Perhaps he's just conciously decided to be reckless.

*Griffith and I arrived at this conclusion independently of each other, by the way.

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by gramsey712 on Jun 9, 2009 8:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff

Good writeup, Joel. I’ve been trying to figure out where I’m at on all this. Personally, I’m okay with him making mistakes and maybe even with him being a little reckless. What I’m not a fan of is purposely and blatantly breaking the rules. I’ve never been a cheater, and I’d like to think that we’ve always run a clean program (though I know the chances of this are slim to none). That’s how I run my life, and I like to think that if I love something as much as I love UT, then it’s that way, too.

by Oskie on Jun 9, 2009 8:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya

I’m actually not only a follow-the-rules kind of guy, but a permission-first guy. Otherwise, I think you’re basically borrowing good will, and I’d like to stay debt-free in that area if I could.

But I’m not Lane. I don’t think I could do it that way, but I can see the appeal of doing it his way.

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by Joel on Jun 9, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Credit me with the Ohio State discovery

I’m like the Christopher Columbus of Ohio State secondary violations sources.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Jun 9, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You got it

And seriously, to memphispete, for being ahead of the curve by saying several weeks ago, openly wondering whether we were just getting more publicity for the same thing everyone else is doing.

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by Joel on Jun 9, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just like Columbus...

… I thought I was making a discovery of one thing but stumbled blindly into another.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Jun 9, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

native american

thanks for the credits, but you deserve the kudos for finding all these details. Great work, Joel.

Hooper, too. (When do we get to vote on that Blogger Award thingee?)

Oh, and birdjam, that OSU stat has been fabulous. Gotten a lot of mileage out of that at the office.

And, that Columbus discovery thing is a nice play on words for the Ohio State reference. Very circular.

by memphispete on Jun 9, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Kiffin may have said that he meant to poke his rivals"

He could have used Facebook to do that.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Jun 9, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice article, Joel

I would have probably entitled it “Bob Ley tries to be tricky and sneaky…fails miserably.”

by kidbourbon on Jun 9, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe Kiffin has purposefully done things to attract attention to UT

But I don’t think he has purposefully broken the rules.

And another thing that is important to note about secondary violations is that a lot of it varies from school to school due to the strictness of Compliance.

by rblakeh on Jun 9, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

That latter thing is a really good point. I read somewhere that it was no coincidence that both Kiffin and Sarkisian (sp?) both got tagged for smoke machine game-day simulations. The thought was that they probably do that all of the time at USC and just don’t self-report it.

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by Joel on Jun 9, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You read that here

I said it yesterday :)

by rblakeh on Jun 9, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well there you go

;-) Dang old age, politicians, and trans fats.

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by Joel on Jun 9, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is Lane Kiffin

Doing hope he is better with you than when he was with the Raiders He really belongs at the Collage level.

Amazing, Jamarcus Russell hands off to McFadden who pitches it back to Russell who finds Darrius Heyward Bey in the Middle of the Field wide open 30, 20,10,5 Touchdown Raiders! Amazing. This telecast is Brought to you by Cable.

by nishal26 on Jun 9, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

He makes beautiful collages.

by rblakeh on Jun 9, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

Darrius Heyward-Bey! That still cracks me up…

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Jun 9, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NIce

This will be interesting like you said 365 secondary violations.

by Jeremy Mauss on Jun 9, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ESPN is just dirty.

I know the raiders statement was sort of humorous, but it was completely unrelated to the article. Throwing it in there like that seems a little too much like commentary from a supposedly impartial media source.

by Prometheus1185 on Jun 9, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Taking Shots

At the Raiders is one thing but, Taking shots at the 7th Overall pick in the 2009 Draft who has not played a snap is despicable and he was watching and waiting for his interview while this was going on.

Amazing, Jamarcus Russell hands off to McFadden who pitches it back to Russell who finds Darrius Heyward Bey in the Middle of the Field wide open 30, 20,10,5 Touchdown Raiders! Amazing. This telecast is Brought to you by Cable.

by nishal26 on Jun 9, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair...

… nobody in their right mind considers Heyward-Bey 7th-overall-pick material.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Jun 10, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree.

I thought it seemed crazy to take him there, but saying all that stuff with the guy’s family and friends watching on TV made me feel bad for him.

In that post though, I was just talking about the article linked here. ESPN threw the raiders statement in at the end for no apparent reason. It just seems like they’re slipping in commentary or something.

by Prometheus1185 on Jun 11, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very well written and very, very interesting.

I never gave a rats rear-end about secondary violations (or really knew that they even existed) until the Lane Kiffin “scandals” and our Rebels’ very own Houston Nutt self reporting one last week.

What’s funny is that Arkansas fans yammered on and on about Nutt’s secondary violation as if it were some sort of indicator of incompetency. Mark Richt, Steve Spurrier, Nick Saban, and, hell, every-damn-body has racked up their fair share of secondary violations. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: secondary ‘crootin violations are the parking tickets of the NCAA. You can rack ’em up without much consequence. The only reason Arkansas fans wouldn’t shut up about Nutt’s violation is because anything that remotely hints at Houston Nutt’s imperfections is absolutely orgasmic to them.

Take a picture, trick.

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 10, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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