Crompton and the Vols Trade Perception for Reality
This is how little faith Tennessee fans have in Jonathan Crompton:
On the Vols' final drive of the game, dozens of UT fans where I was sitting headed for the exits on third down. They didn't stop to watch 4th and 14. They didn't turn around when an offsides penalty created 4th and 9. They didn't listen when other UT fans chastised them for doing so.
And Crompton, true to the form that is without question a more accurate picture of his abilities than the one we saw last week, didn't give them a reason to be wrong.
Maybe I'm just tired of blaming Jonathan Crompton, and am looking to blame someone else. Maybe I'm frustrated by people like the guy sitting behind me, who tapped me on the shoulder on the second play of the game and told me to sit down. (To people like that: stop being part of the problem, and start being part of the solution.)
But then the crowd was at its best when the defense needed them the most: UCLA's consecutive 4th quarter drives that produced three and out and the safety were some of the loudest moments in Neyland in five years. Tennessee fans seem very willing to support Lane Kiffin and to rise to the occasion when the defense needs us.
But Tennessee fans enjoyed one week of sobriety from turning their emotions on Jonathan Crompton, and it'll be one week only: 13 of 26 for only 93 yards, 3 interceptions and a fumbled snap (which Kiffin blamed on Cody Sullins going on one when Crompton called to go on two).
Without the interceptions, it was a Rick Clausen-like performance: lots of checkdowns, with almost half of his pedestrian 13 completions going to backs and tight ends. And more than that, an inability to throw downfield, which to no surprise produced 4 of 16 on third downs and no prayer on the game's final drive.
But with the interceptions, it becomes something worse. And something frustratingly familiar.
Lane Kiffin is a man of his word: he said he would not rotate quarterbacks, and he didn't. He's held true to everything he's said thus far in his tenure, so don't be surprised if Nick Stephens doesn't see any action next week either (plus, if you think Stephens is going to give us the best chance to win the rest of the year, perhaps you don't throw him to the Gators in The Swamp in a game Tennessee has less chance to win than any I can ever remember in my lifetime...perhaps Crompton takes the fall next week and Stephens starts against Ohio).
Or perhaps Kiffin is riding Crompton to the finish. If that's the case, he's going to risk doing serious damage to the goodwill and momentum he's built in the program thus far. I feel like I should type "unless Crompton improves"...but how much longer can we truly make that case?
Adding to the frustration is the way Crompton handles himself in postgame interviews. Last year, when the Vols lost to UCLA, Jon had this to say:
"We don't need to get our heads down because we played good."
It was a giant red flag from our new quarterback, because neither the team nor his 19 of 41 performance could be considered playing good nor well.
Last night, after Tim Priest did his very best to word a question about his four turnovers in a positive way, Crompton made a comment about four turnovers being "part of the game".
You know, Jonathan...it doesn't have to be part of the game. We could not shoot ourselves in the foot and see how well that works out for us.
I like trying to stay positive, which Crompton was doing in the larger context in saying that despite the struggles, the Vols still had a chance to win. Kiffin went that route as well at the start of his postgame interview with Bob Kesling.
But two years and lots and lots of emotional mileage ago, Erik Ainge threw two fourth quarter interceptions in the biggest game of his life, and almost single-handedly cost the Vols an SEC Championship. In a way, Tennessee fans were probably more upset with him in that one moment than we've ever been at Crompton, who's never had the luxury of playing for those kind of stakes.
And you know what Ainge said in the postgame?
I shouldn't have thrown the ball out there. I mean, just as much as he made a good play, I made a bad decision. We played good, we protected all night. The guys played hard, I throw an interception for seven points when it's a tie game, it's going to get you beat. It's on me.
The best players take responsibility for their mistakes. And yes, we win as a team and lose as a team, something Kiffin was quick to point out. But with a defense that gave up only 186 yards and has been at or near the top of the FBS leaderboards for the better part of the last 14 games, Kiffin is going to have to do some serious management, quickly.
Having seen plenty of him now, we can't fully expect the Jonathan Crompton we saw last week to show up again unless the Vols play Western Kentucky again. Everyone else on the schedule is a significant upgrade from the Hilltoppers.
Tennessee's defense, and a running game that works hard will keep them competitive in plenty of the 10 remaining games on the schedule, and give the Vols a chance to make it 11 with a bowl of some kind. The offensive line, if it stays healthy, we hope will continue to mature.
Jonathan Crompton comes to work every day for this program, and I appreciate his effort. We can't ask him to be the guy he was against WKU. But all the coaching staff and the team need from him in games like today - of which I feel there will be several before we're done this year - is to not hurt us, not get us beat.
The perception was that this was a new day for the Vols and for Crompton. The reality is we'll still go as far as a quarterback can take us, only instead of watching him carry us to victory, we're just hopeful he doesn't carry us to defeat.
I'm curious about next week, but Florida is so good I'm not sure what we can learn definitively from it (much the same with WKU being so bad). But for the rest of the year, can this defense and this running game bring us home?
I'd much rather see them do it with our quarterback than in spite of him.
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Good post
The comparison quotes between Crompton and Ainge are pretty damning evidence of a quarterback whose psyche cannot handle playing SEC and PAC10 defenses. It pains me to say it because I genuinely want to see Crompton succeed. I remember feeling so proud of Ainge and how he rebounded and matured under Cutcilffe in 2006 after a less then stellar 2005 season. I want to see the same for Crompton, I really do, but I feel like he’s been given more than enough opportunities to succeed under center and has lost too many games for us to continue as the starter. Will a change at QB help us win? Hard to say. But at least it would lessen the odds of having a QB help us lose a game. I to hope the D and the run game can take us to victory (many victories!) this season. I love my Vols and am still excited about what Kiffin & Co. are doing with this team.
by devildogutk on Sep 13, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Such reasonable and objective commentary.
You Vol fans really don’t deserve any of this… or what’s coming. With a competent quarterback Tennessee would win 7+ games this year. With Crompton under center, another disaster is in the making. If I were Kiffin, I’d make the change right away. Everyone’s seen enough, haven’t they?
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by Gatorpilot on Sep 13, 2009 9:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, thanks for the advice.
Isn’t that piling on, even for a gator fan?
by memphispete on Sep 13, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't trying to.
Just trying to say that with a better quarterback this team would be functional.
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by Gatorpilot on Sep 13, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could rebut that
but that’s pretty freakin spot on. And for all the things a Gator fan could come in and say, that;s about the mildest. Not that Florida week hasn’t been the long, dark, teatime of the soul for the past four years already, but I have the feeling it’s gonna be particularly bad this year.
by danmarcel on Sep 14, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gatorpilot
has been a solid contributor over here for awhile. I’ve never known him to trash talk. Just for the record.
Rocky Top Talk
by Joel on Sep 14, 2009 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the "what's coming" during game week that caused the initial reaction.
Consider the comment withdrawn. (I am glad for the perspective on Gatorpilot.)
The 2009 recruiting class was a solid top 10 and 2010 will be a very solid top 5 (presently #3 and #1 in the SEC).
Perhaps the theme for this week should be “Oh yeah, well, we’ll get you in 2011”?
by memphispete on Sep 14, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right about Stephens
I don’t see any reason to set him up to fail by giving him his first start of the year against a team that will undoubtedly slaughter the Vols next week.
But I’d handicap the chances of him being given the nod against Ohio around 75 percent.
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
by rustytanton on Sep 13, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually kinda excited for ya
I’m pretty sure that Florida is just going to look at the score of this game, head out to the rose bowl on monday, and do a walkthrough preparing for USC in their January “Bid”. If Tennessee ever had a chance, it’s right now
by ucla13_usc9 on Sep 13, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
I know this… trust me, look at my sign in name. This is roughly the same situation, except our QB was a 2 STAR… and our defense was much worse
by ucla13_usc9 on Sep 13, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there’s a chance the game could be ugly, and that our defense could keep us in it for a quarter or two. While I agree that lowering the expectations could work in our favor a little, I seriously doubt the Gators will need motivation to show up to that game.
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
by rustytanton on Sep 13, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah after all the crap Lane said to/about Meyer this summer
I’m guessing Urban wants to run the score up as much as he can
Has there ever been a player better than Detlef Schrempf?
by bucknellbruin on Sep 13, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is that different than any other year?
If Florida could beat us by 70, they would. Every year.
by memphispete on Sep 14, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent post, Will.
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by birdjam on Sep 13, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Differences Are Staggering
Florida has a QB that will come out, appoligize and talk about how there won’t be a player that works harder, or that holds his team to preparing harder, and that they WILL make things better….and they do.
Tennessee has a QB that actually said yesterday, that INTs were part of the game, and that even though we had four turnovers, we still had a chance to win the game and “WE” just need to get better.
Un freaking believeable.
by BlountVol5 on Sep 13, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought he said that a year ago?
Not that it’s any better either way.
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
by rustytanton on Sep 13, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crompton said it again yesterday.
Never Again. Retire #8 NOW!
by wvvol on Sep 13, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess "competition" applies for every position, except QB??
If any other position cost us a reasonable chance to win what was a very winnable game, that person would be replaced by his back-up.
I hope it will be as someone suggested, one more game against Florida, and then moving onto Stephens.
I did lipread Crompton’s speech to the guys at the beginning of the 4th qtr when everyone was jumping around. He did admit to (Fulmerizing) up and asked the team to have his back. They did. The trouble is that Crompton kept (Fulmerizing upward). If he took that same attitude in the press about admitting his shortcomings, then we would feel better about giving him a little more rope.
And, I appreciate the comparison with Ainge. I really didn’t like him at the time, but that quote actually makes me appreciate him a little more in retrospect. Thanks for the silver lining.
by memphispete on Sep 13, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I too hate quarterbacks who through 30+ touchdowns and <10 interceptions.
by rblakeh on Sep 13, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crompton won the right to prove himself on the field
fair and square. He beat out Stephens for the starting spot, you simply cannot pull him after one bad game. Frustrating? Yes. But you gotta give him a shot, I think otherwise would be more detrimental to the team.
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by Pride of the Southland on Sep 13, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I hope I'm not the only one who was completely underwhelmed by UCLA.
Their defense was decent, their offense wasn’t all that much to write home about, but our QB play gave the game away. If Crompton played a better game, we win.
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by Pride of the Southland on Sep 13, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No UT fan should be happy with Crompton's play
but aren’t you being a little ungracious by being so “underwhelmed” by UCLA? Yeah, the offense wasn’t so great, but we’re starting a RS freshman QB playing his 2nd game in two years (he was injured in the first game of his high school senior year and of course played not at all last year) and an O line with one true freshman, one sophomore, a RS sophomore, a JC transfer and one junior. If all you’re focusing on is results, you have a point, but for UCLA to do what it did in Neyland with these major components being so inexperienced, well, I think you’re placing too high a bar here.
As for the defense, it held UT even when when Crompton wasn’’t throwing picks-and that 4th down failure was against our second-string D-line, as both Price and Siezerwerski were out for that play. I think UCLA;s defense merits better than a “decent” grade. Not great, but pretty good.
You guys have a great program and great fans. Wishing you future success and no injuries.
by ucladj89 on Sep 13, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a bit ungracious
But a lot of the scoring came from poor field position handed to you.
I will admit, your secondary looked good, and your front line gave us trouble. But I also think that would have been minimized if we were actually able to throw the ball. We couldn’t and so you can sell out against the run. Heck, you could sell out against the run and even if we passed you had nothing to worry about, Crompton looked like he had less skills than even a freshman qb should be able to display. (and thats not a swipe at Prince, just a swipe at Crompton who looked like he shouldn’t be playing at this level period)
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by Pride of the Southland on Sep 13, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course you make a fair point about the field position
But then again, your TD came after a fumble on the UCLA 11 IIRC.
It’s a tough one. Obviously, even average quarterbacking probably wins this one for the Vols as our D isn’t overwhelming (although solid) and prolly couldn’t throttle an effectve passing game and an effective running game sufficently to keep UT from scoring just one TD more. But you can only play with what you have, not what you wish you had.
As I said, best of luck the rest of the way.
by ucladj89 on Sep 13, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, due respect, Pride - Crompton didn't prove himself on the field
we almost know the numbers by heart …
13-26 0 TD, 3 INT and just 93 yards passing
1 fumble
1 failed 2 minute drill to win the game.
That merits a look at the #2 guy if we really believe in “competition” at every position, IMO. And, I am a big Kiffin supporter….
by memphispete on Sep 13, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great writeup
What is depressing is that I think Crompton is the best we’ve got. And until Coach says otherwise, I will continue to believe it.
by rblakeh on Sep 13, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was hoping for
the Nu-Gun in that series at the goal line with 3rd and 2 for a TD. Why did the Vols not run the formation ONCE after practicing it extensively in fall camp? Obviously, I love Pounding The Rock but a little single wing led by NuKeese might’ve fared a bit better than the two futile gut shots attempted in the game.
This team is going to get slaughtered in Gainesville. This past game is a stark reminder of what rebuilding a program involves. Lots of patience, support of the staff and players, and a bit of Kentucky bourbon to dull the pain.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Sep 13, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought I was the only one
Those were my thoughts exactly.
Florida Sucks!
by BrownforHeisman on Sep 13, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen Nuke settle in particularly well
But changing things up for a couple plays probably couldn’t have hurt.
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 13, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruin Report
Here’s the report from Bruin Report Online: I didn’t write it, but it channels a majority of the BN’s:
We thought UCLA’s defense was good, but it took that to another level Saturday in a masterful performance that inspired UCLA overcoming Tennessee, 19-15. The young Bruins — including their young quarterback — showed incredible poise in getting the win…
UCLA accomplished a big win when they beat Tennessee, 19-15, Saturday.
It signified many things.
First, as we wrote in the preview, it’s a big step for UCLA in terms of securing a winning record for the season. If you just play out the schedule and make some logical guesses, and even conservatively concede some losses, the Tennessee win gives UCLA a big boost toward that goal.
Secondly, it showed incredible character for this fairly young team, with a redshirt freshman quarterback playing in his second college game, to come away with a victory in such a hostile environment.
Thirdly, it is a testament to the UCLA coaching staff, to win with a game plan that was clearly conceived to try to minimize the team’s weaknesses and potential mistakes. You wouldn’t say that Offensive Coordinator Norm Chow had anything close to a wide open game plan. Heck, UCLA didn’t throw the ball down the field once. They didn’t even risk pitching the ball. UCLA’s approach was to eliminate turnovers, try to get enough yards on the ground and through short, safe throws, to put up a smattering of points, and then allow UCLA’s defense to win the game. It’s not exactly an aggressive, brash game plan, but these are smart experienced coaches who scout themselves well, know their team’s limitations and realize what it would take to win in such a situation as playing against Tennessee in Neyland Stadium.
Heck if it didn’t work.
UCLA got 10 points as a result of Tennessee turnovers created by UCLA’s defense. It also probably kept Tennessee from at least a couple of other scores by creating turnovers.
Now, you can say that Tennessee did a bit of handing UCLA the game. During just about the entire second quarter and for a few seconds in the third quarter, Tennessee had four possessions that were fumble, interception, interception and interception.
But while you can attribute it to the Tennessee quarterback, Jonathan Crompton, not being very good (which many Volunteer fans surely are at this moment), you have to also give the UCLA defense credit for the turnovers.
And you have to give the defense credit for, well, pretty much winning the game.
There were plenty of Tennessee possessions where it didn’t end in a turnover, and UCLA simply shut them down. After the 10 points Tennessee scored in the first quarter, and then the fumble-interception-interception-interception, Tennessee the rest of the way had two three-and-outs, one drive for a field goal, were held at the UCLA goal line for four downs, and then had another 4-and-out.
You could even make a valid excuse for the first initial 10 points, which only came after a UCLA penalty kept a Tennessee drive alive and the Prince fumble.
That’s a pretty impressive defensive resume.
You know it’s a masterful coaching job and defensive gem when you win a game on the road against an SEC team, in front of 100,000 people, with a freshman quarterback – and you only gain 186 yards.
That’s right. UCLA gained a total of 186 yards.
Give Prince credit. He did what the UCLA coaches wanted him to do: Not lose the game. Zero interceptions. Just one turnover, on a fumble. He did it all while he was hit many times (including the hit on the safety that made for a bloody lip), sacked twice and generally didn’t have a lot of time to make decisions. He also showed some exceptional awareness and composure on a number of plays, namely the touchdown pass to Chane Moline where Prince had two Vols in his face but got the pass off on a bootleg.
Also, among the tailbacks, Johnathan Franklin looked good finding yardage, and Milton Knox might have had the offensive play of the game. In the second quarter, during a key drive that led to the UCLA touchdown, Knox caught a screen pass and was a good five yards from the first-down marker with one tackler to beat. Knox juked him out of his shoes and made the first down.
But again, how about that defense?
It held Tennessee to 208 yards, 115 rushing and 93 yards passing — a team that gained 657 yards and 380 rushing last week. Yeah, it was against Western Kentucky, but the one thing we thought we could actually take from the Volunteers’ performance against WKU was that they were going to have a good running game. They averaged just 2.6 yards per rush. Their bull of a tailback, Montario Hardesty, gained 89 yards and averaged 3.4 per carry.
We said before the game that whoever won the battle between Tennessee’s running game and UCLA’s rushing defense would probably win the game. UCLA won the battle, and won the game.
But the UCLA passing defense was also superb. Crompton was 13 of 26 for 93 yards, with three interceptions. His longest completion from scrimmage was 26 yards, which occurred when a UCLA defensive back fell down. Tennessee receivers were blanketed, and couldn’t get behind UCLA’s coverage.
Reggie Carter, UCLA’s senior middle linebacker, looked like a pro playing amongst college players. He finished with 14 tackles, and was seemingly in on every play. On the third-and-goal and fourth-and-goal, he made the tackles.
Rahim Moore is the ball-hawkin’ Bruin, getting two more picks to go along with the three he had against San Diego State last week.
Alterraun Verner had an interception, in typical Verner style, jumping a route with that burst of quickness he has, and he was very effective against the run.
Courtney Viney, all 5-8 of him, had a very good game at the other corner spot, generally providing good coverage and run support.
Tony Dye, starting just his second game at free safety, was very active, blowing up running plays and being very solid in coverage.
Brian Price, in this game, looked like he had a bigger impact on the game from play to play. He had two great sacks, one where he jumped past his blocker with an amazing bit of quickness.
If you had to give an award to the best second-string defensive player for the day it would have to go to defensive tackle David Carter. Carter looks to be a potential impact player, showing very good lateral quickness and strength, shedding blockers and making tackles. He was the guy who held the line on the fourth-and-goal to enable Reggie Carter to make the tackle.
Defensive Coordinator Chuck Bullough put in a very effective game plan, and called a very good and creative game. UCLA blitzed far more against Tennessee than it did against San Diego State, and far more imaginatively. Blitzes came from different parts of the field, from different positions. A big element to UCLA shutting down Tennessee’s offense was, after Crompton had thrown the three interceptions, Bullough went after him. You would think Tennessee would go to the ground, since Crompton was throwing the game away, and instead of sitting back, Bullough got aggressive and run blitzed. It was key to Tennessee going three-and-out on its next two possessions.
There are surely some UCLA fans out there who weren’t pleased with the play-calling. It was a very conservative game plan, with very few running plays going outside the tackles, and very few throws going beyond 10 yards or in between the hashes. But what the critical UCLA fans aren’t getting is that the game plan isn’t a result of short-sightedness by the UCLA coaches, but vision. Or self-awareness, more accurately. The coaches quite soberly realized what UCLA had on offense, and what it could do, and what it would take offensively to win this game. Last year, they attempted the same approach, but with a game plan that only intended to minimize mistakes and turnovers, last season’s offense couldn’t pull it off. This year, at least, in this game, it did. Also, the play-calling in this game changed in a couple of ways. In terms of the running game, UCLA ran tackle-to-tackle for most of the first half, and that set up some of the off-tackle runs
in the second half that were key in sustaining some drives and retaining the ball. Also, early on, with Tennessee blitzing and pressuring Prince on just about every play, UCLA wasn’t utilizing any screens to offset the pressure. In the second half, it did, to relative effectiveness.
It will be interesting to see, as the season progresses, if the coaches attempt more offensively, as Prince settles in more and the offensive line grows and matures. You can see maturity from the first to the second game, especially in Prince. Heck, you could see development in this game between the first and second halves; the UCLA offensive line was far more effective in pass protection as the game wore on.
There were some things – well, calls — in this game that took your breath away, in a negative way. The offside call on what would have been Rahim Moore’s third interception and the game sealer was a mystery. The hit on Prince in the endzone for the safety looked to clearly be helmet to helmet. But the Bruins don’t get the calls in SEC Land.
An aside: Is it me, or has the officiating around college football been particularly poor in the season’s first two weeks? Yes, every season there are plenty of outrageously bad calls, but the bad calls seem pervasive now throughout all of the college games I’ve watched. And not just bad calls, but mysterious calls. Not just poor judgment but the kind of calls where you say to yourself, "I don’t understand how they got that call from that."
UCLA kicker Kai Forbath, being such a weapon, changes the game for UCLA, and provides an immense relief for UCLA’s fledgling offense. There’s a considerable difference when you know you can get a near-automatic three points after just barely getting into an opponent’s territory. He made four of five field goals, accounting for 12 points, which is as good as two touchdowns.
But it all comes down to Reggie Carter and his boys on defense. We thought they’d be pretty good in fall camp, but this was taking "pretty good" to another level. Their performance had everything – the athletic interceptions, the sacks, the tackles for loss, and the amazing, immortal goal-line stand. Carter and his comrades have said that they wanted to be one of the best defenses in the country this season; after that performance Saturday, they probably already are among that lofty elite. And with a defense this good, providing time and opportunity for a young but talented offense to develop, the 2009 season might be one of those revelations of a season.
by ucla13_usc9 on Sep 13, 2009 12:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I give UCLA's secondary credit for catching balls that were thrown to them.
Pick number whatever was thrown 5 yards over the wide open receiver’s head. He had plenty of room in front and behind him. If the ball’s on target, we have a great chance for the WR to untouched into the end zone.
Another pick – thrown late, to the deep receiver, on an out route. Hmm, throwing late, deep, out route. Yep, that’s the recipe for an easy pick by anybody with a decent secondary against a below-average QB.
And, I think the third was almost as egregious. But excuse me I have to stop now so I can become violently ill again…
by memphispete on Sep 13, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great sports writing, here.
I’ve been scouring the Tenn web community for a write-up of the game that would calm me down and voice my concerns, and it took about a dozen tries before you nailed it. Thanks!
by davy on Sep 13, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to Will's article, of course
Not the Bruins stuff.
by davy on Sep 13, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
About that crowd
I will say this: During that last series the entire student section erupted into a spontaneous LET’S GO CROMPTON cheer that was heard and picked up as far away as us in Z. That’s something I never expected to see in Neyland. I really think, given what we had to work with, the fans did do their part. That was a shocker.
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I will give my shirt for Tennessee today.
by Holly Anderson on Sep 13, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good to hear.
Seriously good to hear. For the first time since I’ve been at UT (fall 2006), it sounds like the fabled Neyland crowd was actually in attendance. If they can keep it up, even in the face of this shocker, UT will probably pull out a couple wins at home that people now don’t expect them to win.
by Hooper on Sep 13, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That totally surprised me as well
And I hope that support continues if Kiffin sticks with him, which he might. I was also in Z, and I think some people just allowed their frustration to get the best of them in leaving three plays before the game was actually decided (and there were a lot them). We’re always gonna have some types that haven’t been happy in eleven years, and there’s no pleasing them…but yes, all things considered, for the crowd to hit that mythical “I can barely hear my own words coming out of my mouth” place on those two defensive series was very welcome.
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by Will on Sep 13, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the older crowd was quicker to give up on crompton
I know there was a couple of season ticket holders who would just not shut up about Crompton “looking like last year” after the first INT. Yes you can lament that after the 2nd and 3rd, but he did not shut up for the rest of the half after the first one. I really wanted to shut him up
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by Pride of the Southland on Sep 13, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice write-up, Will
Enjoyed meeting you yesterday. I wish I agreed with everything you wrote here, but I’m not an optimist when it comes to Crompton.
I will forever support him if he’s UT’s quarterback. I just hope he isn’t that for long.
by The Ghost on Sep 13, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When it comes to Crompton
I’m not an optimist either. I read what you wrote at 3SIB (good stuff here) – I’m torn on Kiffin’s percentage of blame, because I really really like that he did exactly what he said he was going to do in not pulling him. Stephens may not be more talented, but he’s safer. I think if Crompton is throwing 3 picks a game, he won’t last the month. But if he isn’t catatonic next week and looks okay against Ohio, we’ll still be rolling the dice with him in October.
Will - Rocky Top Talk
by Will on Sep 13, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poorly worded on my part
I specifically like that Kiffin kept his word…even when that word left Crompton in the game, which is why I’m torn.
Will - Rocky Top Talk
by Will on Sep 13, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Will
Kiffin said that he’s going to stick with his starting quarterback, and I admire him for keeping his word. If Florida is just as bad, perhaps we’ll see a change. But I don’t think Kiffin will pull someone after one game (even though history suggests that JC may just be a good practice player who can’t take game pressure).
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 13, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing, and I'll cut and paste my comment from my website
FYI, all of you guys talk about "damaging Crompton’s fragile psyche" blah, blah, blah. I don’t mean this as any disrespect to you guys, but I’m here to play devil’s advocate. What does it do to his psyche to be left in there, exposed to the masses, continually fail because it’s all he knows how to do and get booed by a bunch of sorry fans who have nothing better to do than to boo college kids?
Is that beneficial to his ego? What about the coach having so little confidence in him that we run four times between the tackles with the game on the line and a fifth-year senior at the helm? Is that healthy for an ego? You say it would damage Crompton to take him out. It happened last year, and he came in later in the season and actually played better.
I don’t know what we have in the QB stable, but it has to be better than Crompton. I’m not worried about his psyche. I’m worried about this team. JMO.
by The Ghost on Sep 13, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Great point.
He’s a grown-ass man. I’m more worried about 5+ years of suckitude because he has single-handedly brought the program down.
Never Again. Retire #8 NOW!
by wvvol on Sep 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been saying over and over that you gotta keep Crompton in for at least next game
but I agree you cant throw three picks and give the game away like that. And what does it do to the rest of the team? How does it affect the rest of the players knowing they are working hard on the defensive side to get us off the field, and knowing that most likely you will be back in 2 plays. Its going to be hard to rally a team around him
RIP Steve McNair (1973 - 2009) Retire #9!
Member of the Committee to Keep Keith Bulluck.
Eric Berry for Heisman!!
by Pride of the Southland on Sep 13, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go back to the competition angle - every position is a battle
And Crompton should lose his position. Yes, sometimes one game is bad enough for that to happen. Crompton now has 5 picks in two games. 5 TD’s and 5 INT’s isn’t that great.
I also see the wisdom in Pride’s suggestion to wait until after Florida because that is an almost certain loss. No need to put a back-up QB in under those circumstances.
I do like Kiffin keeping his word (I got the QB’s back) and having the guts to just run it when the passing game wasn’t working and going for it repeatedly on 4th down. I don’t think Kiffin gets a big percentage of the blame unless he sticks with Crompton for several games after Florida and Crompton costs us another game that we “should” win (like UCLA). It sounds strange to say but Kiffin actually did a pretty good job – one more yard and we’re having a completely different discussion. (Still wanting to can Crompton, but not blaming Kiffin as much).
by memphispete on Sep 13, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rebuttal:
I can’t argue with the fact that Crompton’s interceptions killed us, and were almost solely responsible for the loss.
My patience with him is pretty much at its end. I feel as though this is going to be similar to Rich Rod’s first season at Michigan. Hopefully we’ve got our Tate Forcier in this recruiting class.
On the other hand, when we needed a touchdown in the fouth quarter he stepped up and led a solid 13 play 53 yard drive right to the goal line. His inability to pass accurately until that point is undoubtedly what caused us to run up the middle instead of going play action there, but he got the job done for those 6 minutes, and as I recall had a pretty decent completion percentage on that drive.
I have that one glimmer of hope. It’s really really faint, but its there. If he continues to blow it against Ohio (I’m fully expecting it against Florida), then I say we let Berry and Rogan take turns using him as a tackling dummy.
by Prometheus1185 on Sep 13, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And yes...
I know it’s a weak rebuttal, but it’s all I’ve got.
by Prometheus1185 on Sep 13, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I can't say much right now.
I’m pretty spun around the axle about Crompton at the moment, and I’ll need a bit to sort my thoughts out. But there is always the possibility that we overreact (such as after WKU), so it’s worth keeping in mind.
(again, possibility)
by Hooper on Sep 13, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely unrelated...
But did anybody else see that Prince is out 4-6 weeks or so with a broken jaw?
by Prometheus1185 on Sep 13, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch.
I figured we just busted some teeth loose. Who made that tackle?
by danmarcel on Sep 13, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rogan, IIRC
Clean hit, but this defense has really taken to the new system.
by Hooper on Sep 13, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't, but it wasn't intentional
Your defender was trying to Stand his ground, ended up extending through prince’s chin. A little helmet to helmet, but you can call that. BTW, It wasn’t a safety, but the next play would have gone straight out of the back of the endzone
by ucla13_usc9 on Sep 13, 2009 11:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
You CANT call that. Damn typos
by ucla13_usc9 on Sep 13, 2009 11:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think he met clean as in not intentional
I just went to Espn360 to rewatch it to make sure, but it looked to me like Rogan put his helmet in Prince’s chest, but their combined momentum seemed to carry the top of Rogans helmet up into Prince’s chin. Hope he’s back quick for y’all, he’s a tough SOB.
by danmarcel on Sep 13, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was inclined to think it was a safety.
The announcers had things backwards because they’re used to gauging goal lines from the perspective of trying to get in the end zone. On either side of the field, if any amount of the ball is in the end zone, it’s considered in. When Prince hit the ground, the ball was still touching the line. If they had set the ball where it was when he was tackled, the back tip would have still been in the end zone.
by Hooper on Sep 14, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Helmet to Helmet" is not illegal anymore.
It was taken out of the rulebook this year.
Official MCM Hater!
Retire #9!
by gramsey712 on Sep 14, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll pile on (which is illegal)
hooper’s right – that ball was still in the end zone.
danmarcel’s right – there’s no way someone could see that as a cheap shot. Never mentioned in any coverage that way. Just one great hit.
The kid’s tough – and we respect that. There are plenty of legit things to wonder about (even though you won) – like the offsides penalty denying a 4th INT to your defense – without creating an issue where there should be none.
by memphispete on Sep 14, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's 3 weeks
Broken jaw is three weeks, he’ll lose some weight, but we have KSU, who lost to UL Lafayette. And then in 20 days, @ Stanford. He won’t be missed too bad
by ucla13_usc9 on Sep 13, 2009 11:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Can't fault the effort.
Your effort that is. It reminded me of something Leroy Hoard said. “If you need a yard, I’ll get you three. If you need five yards, I’ll get you three.”
We needed a TD and #8 got us to the 2 yard line.
Never Again. Retire #8 NOW!
by wvvol on Sep 14, 2009 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for an absolutely great game!
What a great game that was. The Vols fans and players were/are extremely classy. I usually never comment on another board but just had to this time. The Vols got a couple bad breaks but could have easily won this game, that’s what college football is all about. That is aslo why CFB is sooo much better than the NFL IMO. Thanks for the great game Vols. I hope you guys beat the Gators.
madmax
Go UCLA!
by madmaxucla on Sep 14, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Las Vegas is Being Generous!
The Vols are getting 28.5! That is a good bet and probably will go worse. No point in putting Stephens in to get killed. I am surprised that Crompton didn’t say that he would have to take a look at the game films to see what went wrong!
by El Kabong1940 on Sep 14, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Mr Crompton reads this
Mr Crompton,
Just because someone gives you something does not mean you have to take it.You have achieved being the starting QB at UT a great accomplishment.Now you hope to prove yourself at UTand perhaps dream of an NFL career.
Alot of the comments I have read about you are not so much concerning aggravation about losing the UCLA game, some have been articles truly stating the fact that you have done well in practice and done the things necessary to earn the spot, but you have a real problem in the"situation", you lack the necessary combination of human traits it takes to make it happen during intense situations.It does not mean you may not excel at other things.
I do not say this lightly. I remember Jimmy Streeter back in the early 80’s, who had not the hieght or the arm you do but had the necessary skills it took to react when being in the actual heat of the game, even though UT lost alot of those games the entertainment factor from his play capitivated the audience and people left the game with excitement.Your play is bringing a true anxiety to the fans and it truly is taking the fun out of watching the game.
It would be the right thing for you to do to give up your spot to Stephens, at least let the team develop a chance for next year, if Mr Stephens has the same problems then obviously a new quarterback needs to be looked at. What you are doing to yourself by trying to perform in this capacity you are not capable of will cause you great psychological damage in the future and you will suffer for it later in your life, I am sure you probably are suffering nightmares now.The people that bestow this burden on you are predatory and should be ashamed of themselves.
Please consider what I am saying, it will make your life alot easier, the skills you have now should be used in areas focusing on things you enjoy.It is apparent you are suffering major apprehension, usual outcomes especially in physical sports from situations like this also can result in a major physical injury.
Please do what is right and step down , I am sure in the future looking back you will be very very glad you did, you do not need to sacrifice yourself like this because you are being pressured by others to continue, it is so obvious this situation has become a torture to you, no one will fault you for soing this and if they do who cares they are not sacrificing there body, you are!
Regards,
Again, jsut because this coach is using you know to get through, it does not mean you have to accept this job that will cause you alot of pain now and in the future.Also in reality your play is truly hurting some of the other players from possibly getting decent shot at the NFL and you know that.
by pinnacle on Sep 14, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tebow comments - to the UT Defense and Team today
Tebow said this today about UT on campus
" I am going to punish and embarrass you , all day Saturday"
"You can’t fight with “superman”, the only guess is how many points I am going to score on you, you will remember the day you went up against me, I am a man, when I walk out on the field you’ will respect me and know what scared is"
" I score at will, and when I am through with you will know I am better than you and your idiot coach, who will apologize to me and you will too for ever coming to Florida to try to play me"
Tennessee " you are a second rate team and should not even have the right to play us, your the worst in the SEC, and your QB is a joke"
It is ridiculous Berry even thinks he is in my caliber, if Kiffin is willing to apologize to me now I may not embarrass you so bad"
Tim Tebow 9 15
by pinnacle on Sep 15, 2009 1:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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