Are planets aligning for a historic Florida beatdown of Tennessee?
Back in 1916, Georgia Tech and head coach John Heisman beat Cumberland 222 to 0. That doesn't just happen, you know, stars have to align and stuff. The story behind that catastrophe is that Tech wouldn't let Cumberland out of its contract to play the game despite the fact that Cumblerland had just disbanded its football program. So, Cumberland sent 14 guys to save the school $3,000 by fulfilling the school's contractual obligations, and Tech . . . well, the animated drive chart on that one would be something, wouldn't it?
I spent yesterday neck craned to the heavens, attempting to discern whether the planets were conspiring against the Vols this week, plotting annihilation of the team bus with an astronomical power wedge as it arrives in Gainesville next week. Consider the following:
- Saturday's reality check against UCLA, a loss that Lane Kiffin termed "embarrassing."
- Jonathan Crompton reverted to 2008 form, throwing three interceptions (four, if you count the one that was negated by penalty) and losing a fumble on a botched center-QB exchange. As Mike Griffith put it in his report card, "The senior stared down receivers, overthrew open targets and then forced UT into a play-calling shell as it missed an opportunity to pick apart a young UCLA secondary." Yep.
- That play-calling shell neutered a Tennessee rushing attack that last week looked like it could rehabilitate the offense all by itself, and the running game managed only six yards on four tries when seven would have won it for the Vols.
- Despite all of that, Kiffin never once considered replacing Crompton with Nick Stephens, and it doesn't appear, at this time anyway, that he'll consider it for Florida, either.
- The disappointing loss even led to some finger-pointing in the locker room.
And now -- yay! -- we get to go to Florida to take on the Gators.
- The same Gators who were responsible for the dishumiliarrassment of 2007 and the Vols' severe allergic reaction to the red zone in 2006.
- The same Gators who won the national championship in 2006 and again in 2008 and who this year return their Heisman-winning and all-everything quarterback and all of their defensive starters.
- The same Gators who, so far this year, have outscored their opponents 118-9, haven't allowed a touchdown, and whose scoring drives average just a little over 1:40 (I did this calculation myself . . . look, Ma! Math!)
- The same Urban Meyer who Lane Kiffin falsely accused of cheating. Oh, and Kiffin publicly gloated after nabbing a couple of recruits who had been committed to Florida.
- The same Urban Meyer who exacted merciless revenge against Georgia last year for its group celebration the year before, calling timeouts for the sole purpose of extending Georgia's misery.
- The same Gators who, despite all of the personal barbs, are simply going to let their play do the talking this Saturday, which is perhaps the scariest thing of all.
- The theme of the week has already surfaced in traditional media: "Be afraid. Be very afraid."
So are the planets aligning for a historic Tennessee defeat this weekend?
Maybe. But does it matter? Not really. Vol fans have heard the beatdown talk all summer. Our own almanac has predicted it, and I don't think there's any reason to resent it. I frankly have no idea how the Tennessee offense is going to score even a single point against the Gators' stingy D, and I know our defense has held up so far this year, but let's be honest, it really hasn't been tested yet, either, and for all of his experience, I don't think Monte Kiffin has ever faced a well-oiled spread machine.
But what does it matter? Rebuilding the Tennessee program is going to be a process, one that will take some time. (Thanks, UCLA, for the reminder!) And even if Florida was somehow able to beat Tennessee like Georgia Tech did Cumberland in 1916, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Just the beginning of the process.
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Nothing different than the beginning of the year for me
Any UT fan who had this as a ‘W’ on his preseason schedule spent way too much time checking the coils and the corn mash. We might have hoped for a more respectable margin of defeat, but we expect a “convincing win” for the hated Gators.
It’s just putting up with the obnoxious Gator fans during the pre-game week and in the post-game aftermath….
Theme for the week: “Oh yeah, well, we’ll get you in 2011.”
by memphispete on Sep 14, 2009 8:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey now
I’ve got a little copper beauty at my father’s farm in Portland. Make about 50 gallons a year to give away as gifts (you hear me, lawman? They are GIFTS, dammit!) Sweet, pure corn likker flavored with peach, apple and strawberry. May or may not have indulged a bit after the UCLA disaster.
“Rebuilding takes patience” is what I keep muttering to myself as I sit holding my knees to my chest in the corner of a dark room.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Sep 14, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here come Crompton gators!
a mountain man drains the swamp saturday!
by guilded on Sep 14, 2009 9:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe we can Shockley the World!
inside joke. Whatup, guilded? Been walking on splinters lately?
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Sep 14, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
28.5 point spread
http://www.covers.com/sports/ncf/ncf_lines.aspx?t=0
Does someone know if this is the widest spread in this game ever? I bet it is.
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
by rustytanton on Sep 14, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Spread
Not only is that the largest spread in the series against UT, but I am pretty sure it is the largest spread against Tennessee ever. I think you would have to go back to the 1980s when Tennessee traveled to Southern Cal to play the Trojans to find a point spread this high.
by Kenny483 on Sep 14, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Play-calling shell"
Maybe we could use three play-calling shells on Saturday, and only have the ball under one of them.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
by birdjam on Sep 14, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
lol
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by Pride of the Southland on Sep 14, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are on a roll this morning
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
by rustytanton on Sep 14, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch out, though, because Florida might do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm6Ca0SnEsw
(Because really, I don’t need much of an excuse to post that classic.)
by PhilipVU94 on Sep 15, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, was that the guy from Happy Gilmore?
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
by birdjam on Sep 15, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"even if Florida was somehow able to beat Tennessee like Georgia Tech did Cumberland in 1916"
I don’t think such a thing is even possible in this day and age, and it certainly won’t happen on Saturday, but can you imagine if it DID? You say it wouldn’t be “the end of the world,” but don’t you think it would end something? Would Kiffin (either of them) survive losing 222-0? Would Hamilton? Would Tebow’s reputation as a “classy guy”?
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
by birdjam on Sep 14, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If that occurred
I would imagine a scene straight from the movie “The Happening” to commence. I’d be the guy laying down in front of my lawnmower.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Sep 14, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are about to discuss you on espn first take
they said bad times are on the way for Kiffin. BTW the UCLA qb’s jaw is broken. Ouch.
by Zoltar on Sep 14, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From Rivals
Six of their next eight games are against conference foes: at Florida, vs. Auburn, vs. Georgia, at Alabama, at South Carolina, at Ole Miss. The only gimmes in that stretch are visits from Ohio and Memphis. Tennessee may be 3-7 when Vandy heads to Knoxville on Nov. 21.
by Zoltar on Sep 14, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At the risk of sounding totally pessimistic and having to respond to a bama fan
There are no gimmies on this schedule now if Crompton plays like he did on Saturday.
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by Pride of the Southland on Sep 14, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ
Ohio and Memphis are still gimmes because neither of them can put 11 in the box and stop the run.
3-7 is a little ridiculous.
by memphispete on Sep 14, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who are you counting as wins?
I can see 1, maybe 2 out of GA, SC, and AU. 3-7 might be pessimistic, but 4-6 isn’t all that unrealistic. Ohio, Memphis, and Vandy are probable wins. So I can see you finishing 5-7 or 6-6.
by Zoltar on Sep 14, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing is out of the question
that said, Tiger High was roughed up by MTSU this week
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by Will on Sep 14, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"nothing is out of the question"
Im not saying that they are good teams, but if we consistently hand them the ball on the 20 and 30, its going to be hard to win games like that.
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by Pride of the Southland on Sep 14, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little perspective here guys - Two games are stone cold, lead pipe locks
Miami has the 109th ranked offense in the country and the 69th best defense. UCLA tallies in there (for now) at #27.
Memphis got killed at MTSU (31-14 and it wasn’t really that close as Arkelon Hall managed a very familiar 93 yds passing). They also looked pretty bad against Ole Miss (and the wonder of that game is how close it was for as long as it was). Memphis’ offense is right there at #108 and their defense is at #88.
To go “O-Fer” the rest is just plain insulting, Zoltar-troll. Go kick someone else while they are down…
by memphispete on Sep 14, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miami or Ohio?
Y’all play Ohio, right? They’re probably best known as Solich’s post-Nebraska destination.
Miami U. has really declined since the days of Roethlisberger (and before him Mike Bath — terrible memories for us).
by PhilipVU94 on Sep 15, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
typo - sorry
did use the schedule link of NCAA rankings so, yes Ohio U (fill in the blank of a no-name school)
by memphispete on Sep 15, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wtf are you talking about?
nobody said anything about going “o-fer”. My most pessimistic prognosis was 5-7 which would be wins against WKU, Ohio, Memphis, Vandy, and Kentucky. I also said that I could see you possibly pulling out 1 or 2 victories against the other teams (UGA, UF, UA, OM, AU, SC). I believe your editors were predicting 6-6 on your podcast tonight, so…
oh, and the 3 win thing mentioned in the Rivals article was only including 10 games….
by Zoltar on Sep 15, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We both made mistakes in communicating
Your quote from Rivals wasn’t very clear at all. Most people don’t stop with 10 games when predicting a season. And, they don’t leave that as their entire comment without adding on the last two games.
You never predicted KY above when I made my comment. You also went back and forth between games included in the Rivals quote and adding in the Vandy game. But I failed to notice that you also said in a separate comment that Vandy was a probable win.
But give me a break because you weren’t exactly clear. And quit swearing at me for a minor infraction.
by memphispete on Sep 15, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monte Kiffin and the defense will keep it close and seemingly winnable for a half
I predict it to be like the Georgia game last year. Technically we will be in it for quite a while, but in the back of your mind, you know your offense has virtually no shot.
That said, Orgeron took an outclassed Ole Miss team into Baton Rouge and almost got a victory in his first or second year as head coach.
I’ll believe in the team until the clock strikes zero.
GBO
by rblakeh on Sep 14, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Let’s follow the Blutarski philosophy to victory over the hated Gayters.
Vinnie Testaverde is always remembered for Tennessee kicking his ass.
by RevOrange on Sep 14, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
By the way, I love all the over-reactions.
After we dominated WKU, people (myself included) were thinking we might be able to beat Florida. We lose to UCLA and suddenly we’re staring at 3-7 and drawing comparisons to Cumberland College in 1916.
This team will be fine. Despite the craptacular (Cromptacular?) showing Saturday, I still trust that this team is in good hands, at least at the coaching level. And the recruiting stories indicate help is on the way. We knew this year was going to be a struggle. And with the game in the Swamp looming, things are gonna get worse before they get better. But they WILL get better.
Winning the game is a tall order (and would be even if Crompton plays the best game of his career,) but let’s go out there and disappoint all those people who have been looking forward to this game since last year just to see the bloodletting.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
by birdjam on Sep 14, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you.
We overreacted to WKU, and we’re probably overreacting to UCLA. What’s not getting mention right now is that UCLA has some really good defensive players, including a pair of D-tackles who did a great job playing their assignments against the run and a secondary that is generally considered to be very good across the board (and in many ways not unlike our own). Also, our defense did a really nice job, and our kicking games were pretty good. Cunningham had nearly a 50-yard average to his punts and we didn’t have protection issues this time around, and Lincoln didn’t miss anything, even after 2 false starts.
Statistically, that was Crompton’s worst game every, but we had no reason to expect it after WKU. The stats against WKU might not have meant much, but his overall mechanics were more sound then than they ever were last year.
by Hooper on Sep 14, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Florida’s defense really that much better than UCLA’s?
I don’t think that it is. They’ll obviously have the home field advantage, and that’s worth a few points, but I don’t think you guys are going to face anything faster or more difficult than you have. Brian Price, Alterraun Verner, Rahim Moore, and Reggie Carter are all 1st or 2nd team All-American candidates. Which is why, in some respects, I think you come in at a bit of an advantage. Florida hasn’t faced anything comparable thus far this year and it may take them a quarter or more to get acclimated. If you can get one or two scores in that time, you may very well have a shot.
Further, and maybe it’s just wishful thinking on my part, isn’t it reasonable to assume that Monte and Lane haven’t shown all the wrinkles yet? So Florida will probably be seeing some very new things when you guys come to town.
by Nashville on Sep 14, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're insane if you think Florida's defense isn't much better than UCLA's
This Florida defense is loaded with experienced talent. They may be historically good, like 1992 Alabama good.
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by birdjam on Sep 14, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
But I don’t even think they’re 2008 USC good.
by Nashville on Sep 14, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I intend this in the nicest way, but I agree with birdjam. You are insane.
I am not going to defend how good Florida is because typing it out will make me throw up on my keyboard.
Suffice it to say that Florida returns all of their defensive starters from the #9 defense in the nation. They didn’t get worse over the summer.
by memphispete on Sep 14, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I can take some criticism. And I may well be wrong. But like Hooper says below, I don’t think Florida is an order of magnitude better on defense than UCLA. Slightly better, I admitted that. Nobody’s arguing they got worse, and they’ll have an advantage playing at home. But you’re giving them too much credit to believe you haven’t faced anything comparable yet.
by Nashville on Sep 14, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a great sport
And we think hooper’s crazy on the defense question as well. UCLA was very good – NFL talent on the front 7. But Florida and Bama are the best.
by memphispete on Sep 15, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
We will definitely have to score early and often and try to suprise them a bit.
I fully believe that the Kiffins have indeed not opened their entire playbooks and somethhing new is looming on the horizon. Haven’t seen the Nu-Gun yet. You know, or something else, some weird screens or something.
We will most assuredly be the best team Fl. has seen yet this year (way to beef up that schedule Urbie) so we could possibly catch them at least a little off guard, in which case we’ll HAVE to capitalize early because it won’t last long.
Defense can hold. Offense can…uh…try real hard. Somebody PLEASE get Crompton’s mind right. I’m begging you.
GO VOLS!! (please)
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by XRayVol on Sep 14, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Florida's defense is better at the linebacker position.
Otherwise, there really isn’t much of a gap between the first-stringers. However, UCLA has next to no depth anywhere on the board right now, as they’re only in their second year of recovery from the Dorrell (sp?) era. For all UCLA fans love to ostracize him, it is true that talent suffered under his recruiting.
But that difference at linebacker is huge, as is the advantage of a year’s worth of chemistry.
by Hooper on Sep 14, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, guilty here, too
I’m hoping that I am overreacting to UCLA; perhaps it will all balance out then?
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by Joel on Sep 14, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is it that he manages to go from his best game ever to his worst game ever?
I don’t think I’m overreacting, just reacting.
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by Pride of the Southland on Sep 14, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't mean to post that, wasnt done yet
Certainly my hopes were high after the WKU game, though i knew games down the line would be nowhere near statistically as that, but its hard to come crashing down so far.
But Im not overreacting, heck I’ve been defending his starting spot since the end of the UCLA game, but I think some of the games that we were pretty much counting on as Ws can only be downgraded to question marks until we see otherwise.
Miami should be a W. Memphis has stunk, but that doesn’t mean they don’t come to play UT. They worked hard against Ole Miss.
We won’t go 3 – 7. We managed 5 wins last year and I do believe this team is leaps and bounds ahead of last year’s.
The locker room finger pointing scares me though. Hard to rally a team around Crompton with stats like that, especially when everyone else seems to be doing the best they can to get the W. (though we dont know who was pointing at who, you have to assume it was towards J Cromp)
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by Pride of the Southland on Sep 14, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, but...
“In-Crompetence” sure is a catchy phrase.
http://www.timesnews.net/article.php?id=9016840
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
by rustytanton on Sep 14, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are the odds
that florida scores more points on defense and special teams than on offense?
besides that, i think the “florida is going to hang a video game score” line is being way over blown. besides the obvious fact that meyer always scores as many points as he can, last year’s 30-6 scoreline was pretty dramatic, but by no means a blow out for the ages.
the gators got 10 points directly off of a punt return and a fumble recovery, and the vols left 14 points on the field with 2 turnovers inside the 5.
not that i expect them to correct those mistakes this time around, but it just goes to show you that even if crompton gives them 3 or 4 turnovers, as long as they don’t score directly off of them our defense is good enough to keep it semi-kinda-maybe-respectable.
lastly, what if tennesse just went with direct snaps to a running back with with 2 blocking backs and 8 offensive lineman. 2.5 yards per carry is all you need. if you don’t have a quarterback, why even have a quarterback? am i right? has anyone ever tried this? am i crazy? has it been way to long since tennessee had a premiere quarterback? am i talking to myself?
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by hal41605 on Sep 14, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with hal
Just leave the quarterback on the sideline. Surely we could get 2 or 3 yards a carry.
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by gramsey712 on Sep 15, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joel, positive thinking man
This team needs our support, and we neednt be wondering if we are going to be buried by a guhzillion points.
by cincyvol6198 on Sep 14, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's all part of the plan . . .
;-)
I’ve set the bar at 222-0. If we score a point or they score less then 222, we win!
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by Joel on Sep 14, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We had mentioned earlier that scoring more than 6 on offense is a win for Kiffin,
as it would be a better performance than last year. Even tastier would be a TD pass by Crompton.
by Hooper on Sep 14, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Fear
We have to play like we have nothing to loose. The pressure is now on Florida, a couple of series with poor execution and we can gain momentum! GO VOLS!!! I still believe we have a shot! (I really think I am sane, I promise)
by Rocky Top on Sep 14, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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