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I Want Florida Fans To Sing Rocky Top.  Seriously.

There's a lovely little internet rumor going around that the Florida fans are going to sing Rocky Top at the game on Saturday as a way to taunt Lane Kiffin.  I can't tell if the rumor has any serious legs, if it's complete bunk, or if there will be small pockets of singers strewn about the stadium, but it's out there.  Most Vols fans are understandably a little put off by this, as is sensible whenever somebody attempts to disrespect one of your traditions, but I'm quite on the other side of this.  I really mean this seriously when I say that I really like this idea and I hope they do it.  I hope it's thwarted by a Tennessee victory, naturally, or at least blunted by a really close game, but I hope they do it early on.

There's no punch line at the end of this article and I'm not trying to sneak one past you.  It's not April First, and I mean this totally seriously.  Having Florida fans singing Rocky Top can be far more beneficial to the program than you think.

Here's why:

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Think for a minute about how the human brain works.  Basically, it's an input-output-reward mechanism.  The brain receives information, runs it through a series of processes, and arrives at an output.  Then it judges the output on a judgment system (usually something along the lines of pleasure/pain or happy/sad).  Positive judgments then reinforce the process that was used to go from the input to the output, and negative reinforcements encourage the brain to try a different process.  This is why a series of consistent rewards for good behavior and disciplines for bad behavior are so effective with us: the pleasures reinforce the desired thought processes and the pains disincentive the undesired ones.

Pavlov's dogs are the common example of the same phenomenon.  The dogs learned to recognize the patterns that preceded food, so their brains reinforced those patterns and associated pleasure when they were observed.

The thing is, the learning mechanism can be gamed.  Over time, the connection can be made to drift through a series of gradual changes where the original patterns are slowly de-emphasized and the new patterns gain precedence.  Think of the conditioning that some people have where pain is considered pleasure.  While pain was once an undesired event, their brains were slowly trained to view the pain as the desired response - as a form of pleasure itself - and slowly drifted away from our very early understand of pain as a bad thing.

So it is with Gators fans.  Let them sing Rocky Top.  Encourage them to sing it.  Sing it with them as if they were part of the Tennessee fanbase.  While they're singing Rocky Top, the Florida fans will be experiencing pleasure.  Initially, the source of the pleasure is the thought that they're taunting, but at the same time, there is the very real sensation of singing the song itself, and both events are getting positive reinforcement.

Here's the real crux of it: physical conditions receive stronger feedback than abstract conditions (for most people; there are rare exceptions).  They'll initially be experiencing the pleasure from the abstract taunting concept, but will actually be gaining stronger reinforcement to the very real and physical experience of singing Rocky Top.

It's a small step, but it's a step in Tennessee's favor.  The more they sing it, the more they encourage their behavior to be that of a Tennessee fan.  And after that's over, we can continue to find ways to positively reinforce those feelings.

Conversely, if they do hold more strongly to the abstract taunt, singing along with them will add a disincentive to the taunting.  They won't have the experience of seeing their taunt work, which will encourage them to avoid that behavior in the future.  It may take a while to make a substantial behavior change happen, but it's still an opportunity to reform the Florida mind into one more positively disposed toward Tennessee.  Even the small steps are worth taking whenever given the chance.

So, in all seriousness, sing along with them.  Thank them for singing if you have the chance.  Encourage them to do it again.  By giving them reasons to be encouraged in a pro-UT direction, you'll be leaving them more UT-friendly than when you first met them (just like UCLA fans last week).

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I agree

I don’t think this would happen, but I’m all for it and I think it’s hilarious if it does. Maybe their band can set up a T for the team to run through also……

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by VolBrian on Sep 17, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heard a similar rumor

Except the one I heard was that the Florida band will be playing Rocky Top in an attempt to humiliate the Vols.

I have never seen a school, its fans and its players so derailed by a few comments from a coach of an opposing school. Especially considering our recent record against them.

The thought warms my belly like a shot of ’shine.

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by pound the rock on Sep 17, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

One other thought............

Hooper,

There is one thing I think deserves to be added. Earlier this year, the Florida team put UT emblems all over the locker room to serve as motivation up to this game. When LK was informed of this in an interview, he said something to the effect of, “Great, I am glad to hear that Florida has my program all over their locker room. It just helps my recruiting when a recruit is visiting Florida and they see Tennessee all over it.” To me, that was the hallmark moment of knowing that we have a ballcoach.

I see LK’s statement being analogous to Florida’s fans/band singing/playing Rocky Top. Bring it Florida! While you are showing your recruits around at the game, explain to them why you are promoting our school. That is awesome. You are essentially saying that we have something so good that is up your proverbial back sides that these same recruits should come check us out and see what’s up with Rocky Top.

LOVE IT.

by jtferrell21 on Sep 17, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It could go in.

You’re right. The one reason I don’t have it in is because I was already getting a bit wordy. I didn’t want to end up with a 5-point novella about the virtues of letting Florida sell Tennessee to themselves.

But yes, that’s on the same page.

by Hooper on Sep 17, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is pretty ridiculous

You know, the last time I heard so many people spend so much time talking about how terribly somebody was gonna beat somebody else, it was before the Michigan/App state game. Before that, it was when Troy Smith’s Buckeyes, supposedly the greatest football time to ever put on pads, were gonna tear apart UF.

I’m certainly not saying the outcome on Saturday will be similar, but at this point if Florida doesn’t beat us by five or six touchdowns then everybody’s going to think they laid an egg.

by wkmille on Sep 17, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

which is exactly what we want

this is one time a loss can be a win if it’s within 14 points or so. we’ll stll have the loss, but it would definitely be a moral victory.

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by VolBrian on Sep 17, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Usually the Gator fans who think taunts like this are funny are the ones who wear jorts to games.

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by mlmintampa on Sep 17, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

YES.

We may not win on the field, but we will win on this blog.

by Will on Sep 17, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

very nice

that gets a rec

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by VolBrian on Sep 17, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Marching Chiefs (FSU's band) used to play Rocky Top at games

Blew my mind when I heard it at Doak Campbell Stadium in 1992. I would imagine they stopped doing that in 1999.

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by birdjam on Sep 17, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I heard (and this may not be true)

That Minnesota’s band played Rocky Top after defeating Alabama in the 2004 Music City Bowl

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by jd is legend on Sep 18, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some quick googling makes it appear so

I can’t get a solid news source, but several forums refer to it

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by jd is legend on Sep 18, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully they do that stupid "wooo" when they sing it

And everybody in Tennessee can hear how stupid it sounds.

Sing away!

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by gramsey712 on Sep 18, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now that wasn't very nice

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by pound the rock on Sep 18, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry. The "woo" wasn't in there in my day.

And I am not sure where it came from.

But I know that I cringe every time I hear it.

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by gramsey712 on Sep 18, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was about as anti-woo as they came not that long ago...

Seeing the exuberance for “Rocky Top” that the woo creates in my young child has softened my stance a bit.

And seeing the players themselves react favorably to the woo (raising their arms at the woo moment) on the sideline during the WKU game made me soften a bit as well. I told my wife in the stands right then that if the woo fires our players up, then I might be persuaded to woo at some point in the future. I doubt it, but maybe.

I do not woo, myself, but I am not as dismissive of those who do anymore.

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by birdjam on Sep 18, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am pro-woo

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by kidbourbon on Sep 18, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear that

One of the images I will always remember from last week’s game — silver lining alert! — is the look on my 7-year-old daughter’s face for those last two defensive stops. Yelling at the top of her lungs while her smiling eyes asked me to confirm that I really actually wanted her to yell just as loud as she could.

Both my kids love the woo, and because I have fallen for my kids, I am falling for the woo.

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by Joel on Sep 18, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wonder how much of a correlation exists

between the pro-woo and anti-woo split, and the Florida-is-our-biggest-rival and Alabama-is-our-biggest-rival crowds. I’d be willing to bet more Alabama-leaners are anti-woo, and vice versa because of the age difference that seems to be in place between the two questions.

by Hooper on Sep 18, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeez, I'm only 33.

But I also don’t have a child old enough to understand whats going on.

I guess it shouldn’t surprise me that kids love it, because it reminds me of an 8 year old girls softball cheer. And that’s ok, but it doesn’t sway my opinion.

I am hardcore anti-woo, and I would consider myself in the Florida-is-our-biggest-rival camp.

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by gramsey712 on Sep 18, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pro-woo.

but Alabama is always more important to me in the season. Though my family is split 50-50 UT-Alabama fans.

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by Pride of the Southland on Sep 18, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

was thinking about it.

maybe next week. I mean, this is a slow weekend; there’s nothing exciting going on, so I’m not sure enough people would be interested in the poll right now. ;-)

by Hooper on Sep 18, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who says woo?

And Georgia sucks

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by VolBrian on Sep 18, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or Pro-Arkansas

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO Pig Suey!

by golfballs03 on Sep 18, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pro-Woo here as well

Upon further reflection of the Woo, I think I give a little fist-pump-point finger to accentuate the syllable.

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by pound the rock on Sep 18, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I said this on Dawg Sports’ post about this rumor, and I’ll say it again here.

Having been in the Gator Band myself, I can tell you that as an institution it hates other bands that are one song wonders – Tennessee’s with "Rocky Top," FSU’s with the war chant, etc. This differs from not liking, say, the Georgia band, as that simply comes from the natural aversion to anything Georgia.

I’m not saying it’s impossible for the Gator Band to play “Rocky Top,” since the director has changed since I was in it, but it’s very unlikely to happen. Playing that or the war chant would be about the most distasteful thing the band could do. Besides, since Meyer took over there’s been a tradition of having the players come over and sing “Orange and Blue” after games.

If you need anything else, my parents are season ticket holders and have heard nothing about this rumor. If they heard the Gator Band strike up “Rocky Top,” they’d be horrified. There are still lingering bad memories of Casey Clausen directing that song at the Swamp; it’s very, very unlikely the fan base would embrace the song, even temporarily, for any purpose.

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by Year2 on Sep 18, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

See when we play the other team’s fight song we do it out of respect

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by Pride of the Southland on Sep 18, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Florida’s band used to play other teams’ fight songs out of respect as a part of pregame, just like Tennessee’s does. I don’t know why it ended because it stopped before I got to college.

That said, playing Tennessee’s actual fight song, “Down the Field,” is one thing. Playing “Rocky Top” is another.

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by Year2 on Sep 18, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it'd happen either, but it would make me happy if they did.

As for the band being a one-hit wonder, I would highly disagree. They play a terrific number of songs throughout the year, including every visiting teams’ fight songs during pregame and multiple halftime song sets. During the game, the song selection is dictated by the events on the field; since Rocky Top is far and away the best at energizing the crowd, it is rightly used the most for this purpose.

And during the game, they play a lot of different songs. Even if they use a song only once (or simply have it available), that song still has to be learned just as well as the song they play a couple of dozen times over. I’ve been involved in one-hit wonder bands before, and UT’s ain’t it. (And I’ve never been a part of UT’s band.)

If anything, it’s more fair to call the Tennessee fans a one-hit wonder fanbase. But the same can be applied to Southern Cal, and they use their song to great effect. There’s a real value to having that one persistent song played over and over and over again. It has psychological effects on both fanbases in attendance.

by Hooper on Sep 18, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know it’s not nearly the same degree as FSU with the war chant, Oklahoma with Boomer Sooner and USC, but that’s the perception that exists.

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by Year2 on Sep 18, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perception exists

Because Rocky Top is easily the most recognizable “fight” song there is. I would even argue it is more easily recognizable than Notre Dame’s….

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by VolBrian on Sep 18, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's fair enough.

I’m sure the UT band has some perceptions about the Florida band that you’d like to dispute as well.

by Hooper on Sep 18, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And fans too

When I think of the Florida band, I think of “Hey Baby”, which is a far worse thing to be considered a “one hit wonder” for than Rocky Top.

by Will on Sep 18, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's bad, real bad

The only thing I think of is that their fight song (I think that’s what it is) sounds awfully close to the Jaws theme which is strange in a confused mascot Auburn-Eagle-no-Tigers-no-wait-I’m-confused kind of way…….

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by VolBrian on Sep 18, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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