Lane Kiffin setting up shop in Urban Meyer's head
On last night's podcast, I credited Urban Meyer with some class in the immediate wake of the Gators' 23-13 win over Tennessee. With all of the stuff that happened pre-game (pre-game being loosely defined as the 40 weeks prior to this year's game), I figured we'd see nothing more than a quick token handshake and forced smiles from both coaches. But Meyer actually said, "Your guys played hard," and I took that at face value and gave Meyer a check mark in the class column.
Yeah, well, considered that redacted. Based on all of the rest of the stuff he's been saying post-game, I now think it was a back-handed swipe at Kiffin something along the lines of "Your players played well [despite the fact that you suck]." All of that is fine with me, by the way, because it re-ignited a war of words and suggests to me that Lane Kiffin is in Urban Meyer's head much the same way that Steve Spurrier was in the head of Phillip Fulmer for so many years.
Let's recap.
Florida was a 30-point favorite, and many actually believed that was a conservative prediction. After all, (1) the Gators are defending national champions; (2) the Gators returned much of last year's team, including Heisman-winner Tim Tebow and all eleven starters on defense; (3) Tennessee had just showed against UCLA the prior week that it was basically the same team that it was last year, one whose solid defense was hampered by an inept offense; and (4) Kiffin had removed the only advantage UT might have had (sneaking up on Florida due to (1) - (3) above) by repeatedly poking said sleeping dog with a sharp stick, thereby motivating Florida to repeat its merciless revenge-minded beatdown of Georgia in 2008. ALL WHO DARE TO ANGER CORCH URBAN MEYER ARE VANQUISHED. Even the forgiving Tebow had some extra fire in his perpetually-stoked gut, texting Meyer after one of Kiffin's barbs in the offseason that Meyer should "save some time outs for Tennessee." It was to be a public spanking for the ages.But that's not what happened. Tennessee's defense held Florida to 23 points and forced generally mistake-free Tebow into not one, but two turnovers, and the Vols' offense was able to move the ball on the ground against the dreaded Gator defense most of the day despite the fact that everyone in the stadium knew that the Vols were essentially playing without the benefit of a passing game. There was no beatdown, and had Gerald Jones not run out of bounds in the end zone, Tennessee might have been within striking distance of overtime or -- gasp! -- a victory.
Tebow was, in fact, gracious after the victory. But Meyer, denied his vengeance, only appeared to be, and that only for a fleeting moment. In the immediate post-game, Meyer said:
I think there’s so much pressure on this team to perform perfectly, which is good. I’d rather be on that end than on, "Boy, great job. We lost by 10."
Hmm. Not so gracious, that. And then on Sunday, the excuses started with Meyer talking about how the flu -- "a panic level of proportion I've never seen before" -- had hampered Jeff Demps, Aaron Hernandez, Jermaine Cunningham, and possibly Billy Gonzales.
Time for this again:
Oh, and it wasn't just a bug that precluded the inevitable blowout, it was . . . because . . . um . . . there was no need for a blowout . . . because Tennessee didn't want to win. That's it. They didn't even want to win:
"When I saw them start handing the ball off, I didn't feel like they were going after the win," Meyer said. "The way we lose a game there is throw an interception. Why put yourself in that position? Let's find a way to win the game. We're not trying to impress the pollsters. We're trying to win the game. A lot of it had to do with the way they were playing. It made our life a little easier."
. . . .
"They wanted to shorten the game. I remember looking out there and there's 10 minutes left in the game and there's no no-huddle, they are down, I think it was 23-6 and [there's no] urgency."
So using our only viable offensive strategy -- running the football -- is not playing to win? After all, the way to lose the game there is to throw an interception. Why put yourself in that position? Somebody famous once said that. I forget who.
So yeah, Lane Kiffin is in Meyer's head. And from the looks of it, he's going to stay there for awhile. Consider the following:
- Right after the game ended, the sideline reporter dashed off to find the losing coach to ask him how he felt about not being able to sing Rocky Top all night long now that he lost. Kiffin could not hear the question and said so.
“I’m sorry, I can’t hear you. Rocky Top’s playing!”
- When he was asked later whether he would sing just a few bars at home in honor of the moral victory, he responded with another joke:
"No, no, no, we didn't win," he said. "But I'll come back with the basketball team with [Tennessee coach Bruce Pearl.] He's gone 7-1 vs. Florida."
- When asked to respond to Meyer's claim that Tennessee wasn't playing to win, Kiffin again accused Meyer of violating the rules, this time citing the rule itself to make sure it was, you know, actually a rule:
"This offseason the commissioner made a big deal of renewing vows in terms of what we say about other teams and other players" Kiffin said. "Obviously Urban feels he doesn't need to follow that. We won't say anything else."
- Oh, but we should all know better than that. In the very same interview, Kiffin was asked whether he was concerned about a flu outbreak in light of the fact that his team had just played a team whose players had the flu. His response?
"We'll wait and see, and after we're not excited about our performance we'll tell you that everybody was sick."
Heh. Whether these verbal jabs are post-game 2009 or pre-game 2010, I don't know. Probably both.
But whatever the case, Lane Kiffin is making himself at home in Urban Meyer's head.
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All Hail King Urban
For only HE is holier than thou! … Man give me a break.
IMO he’s made more calculated remarks than Kiffen, yet only UT faces backlash. Makes sense?
Kiffin definitley comes out better in this exchange
His remark was actually a clever zinger of a retort while Urban just sounds petty that he didn’t get his vengeful beat down.
"The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is likely to be the one who dropped it."
yep
"Florida didnt win their first SEC title until 1991 and now they think they invented football."
-Ron Zook
by rustytanton on Sep 22, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just waiting to see if Kiffin actually cites the flu as a reason for losing a future game.
Done right, that could be Spurrier-level funny.
Coach Pearl, my apologies in advance
Cause my man-crush on Coach Kiffin is increasing in passion by the day.
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Retire #9!
Great caption btw
Stop putting your feet on the furniture in my head!
I also think he’s setting down his glass of Jack on the rocks with no coaster. Rings all over the furniture!!!
oooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
Tennessee WILL beat Georgia on the way to 9+ wins in '09!!!
Eric Berry For Heisman!!!
That's just a lot of fun
It’s nice to see a coach with a sharp wit and a good sense of humor – not just to be a good ole boy, but with a purpose.
That probably defines Kiffin better than anything I can think of “everything is done with a purpose”.
I Love It!
Kiffin has gotten into the Golden Boy’s head! LOL!!!!! Anyone with any sense can tell that Urban is ticked that his blowout didn’t occur, and he is now in the make excuses and cry about how the other team played mode. He fell into Kiffin’s trap, and now he is trying to brush it off like that was his plan all along.
We stopped him from running up the score, the game was still a game late in the 4th quarter, and we made God’s Gift to Football turn the ball over twice! We made Urban and the Gators look stupid, and so he is trying to wash that away, and he is looking even more idiotic.
Kiffin is brilliant, and now I look for some recruits to take another look at us (Scroggins… If you are reading this, please come home to UT, so we can have real QBs on our roster).
by KnoxVegas on Sep 22, 2009 10:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Btw i don't feel theres a need to even run a no-huddle at 10 minutes left.
Theres enough time in there to get down the field, score, get a defensive stop and then march down the field again.
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by Pride of the Southland on Sep 22, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
Lane Train is on the tracks headed to higher ground.
I love our new coach and the direction the Vols are headed. When you have a solid program and work hard good things are going to happen. Now one game at a time, and work, work work!!!!!!!!
This is Lane’s team and I love it. I love our staff and the commitment of our players to be coached, then play.
Johnathan Crompton hang in there and do not give up. I hope that you show us the guy we recruited. If Lane says your his QB that’s all you need.
Looks like the program is standing still to me
2007: 1-2 record after 3. 2008: 1-2 record after 3. The 2007 schedule is arguably easier then 2008’s
That's because you are ignorant
We feel bad for you, though, because you obviously can’t help it.
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Retire #9!
awww...
They’re so cute at that age…
But while we’re on the subject, the 2007 schedule (for the first three games, which are the only ones that matter by 1-2) was Cal on the road, Southern Miss at home, Florida on the road. In 2008, it was UCLA on the road, UAB at home, Florida at home. 2008 was the easier schedule during the first three games.
by David Hooper on Sep 22, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Your point, however, is invalid
It’s disingenious to compare the Fulmer regime to the Kiffin one. Especially at this point regardless of record.
Nobody compares Fulmer to Majors and Fulmer worked under Majors the whole time before he became coach.
Tennessee WILL beat Georgia on the way to 9+ wins in '09!!!
Eric Berry For Heisman!!!
Your point:
The 2007 schedule is arguably easier then 2008’s
My point:
2008 was the easier schedule during the first three games.
But as far as using the 1-2 record as an indictment on Kiffin, it helps to remember that Alabama fans didn’t crucify Saban for the UL-Monroe loss in the latter half of his first year. After some more time for his program to really take hold, things have worked out much better than that. We’ll revisit the point after next season.
by David Hooper on Sep 22, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
As an engineering PhD student, I deal with cold, unrelenting logic all day long.
Sometimes it’s a nice break to deal with cold, unrelenting illogic.
Oh, and ;-)
by David Hooper on Sep 22, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Mr. whinny ( oscar ) Meyer
Would never just stick to the run game ! Dont believe me ? Well let Urban ( I want to be like Kiffin ) Meyer tell ya ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFns9iw4_y4&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Phil,GO VOLS !!!
1st and 10 on ESPN2
is clowning Urban Meyer. They are laughing out loud at him for the whiny and snide comments he made about swine flu, etc. Urban said they “probably shouldn’t have played” Demps and the other kids who were sick with the flu.
Each time Meyer whines to the media, I get the image of Harry WInkler stomping his stiletto-clad foot while talking on a phone attached to nothing in the “Water Boy”. “I just hate him sooo much! Hate him, hate him, hate him!”
Lane has Meyer on TILT so bad I’m surprised Meyer can walk in a straight line.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Sep 22, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions
Somebody find that clip!
Tennessee WILL beat Georgia on the way to 9+ wins in '09!!!
Eric Berry For Heisman!!!
Nice headline, Joel
Speaks volumes
_________________________________
Eric Berry is better at football than you
Parting shot
‘Moral Victories of the Young Lane’ – http://www.sauriansagacity.blogspot.com/
We enjoyed the banter.
Another parting shot
This guy has it right – http://sauriansagacity.blogspot.com/2009/09/mystified.html
Cool...
Instead of a lame post, you just link to a guy with a lame posts.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by sddbaker on Sep 22, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing lame (Lane?) about it.
Truth hurts?
Actually both are very lame
As was your retort.
Tennessee WILL beat Georgia on the way to 9+ wins in '09!!!
Eric Berry For Heisman!!!
I thought you were leaving
Or are you too stupid to remember you typed that?
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Retire #9!
You just don't get it man
You can’t scream for a week that you were gonna win by 50 and then whine about not doing it with every little bit of scrap evidence you can find. Especially saying now that Crompton would have beat you if Kiffin had just let him throw the ball. Last week it was “crompton is teh suxxorz, Meyer FTW by 1 milliuon!!!!!!!!!1111111”
Pick a story and stick with it.
Tennessee WILL beat Georgia on the way to 9+ wins in '09!!!
Eric Berry For Heisman!!!
It's been more than a week
Florida has had this game on their minds since February.
"The man who complains about the way the ball bounces is likely to be the one who dropped it."
by Getoffmyvols on Sep 22, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
What?
You have me mixed up with another Gator poster. I knew we would win but wasn’t making any predictions. Btw, did you see some of my post game posts when I complimented your team’s efforts?
I totally LOVE your coach!!
The flu line is classic!!
Kiffin wins this round – no doubt. Even though there are no moral victories, UT sure did hold their own on Saturday. A loss is still a loss but there is a big difference in losing by 50 and losing by 10 when you are playing the number one team at home as a 30 point underdog.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Sep 22, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions
The judge from Kentucky has spoken.
Welcome back!
by David Hooper on Sep 22, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Lane has everyone on TILT
You can’t find an SEC fanbase that doesn’t trip all over themselves coming up with clever names to call him.
Seeing all these people foam at the mouth* gives me great pleasure.
*see AJC comment section after Barnhart mentions Kiffin
"Kiffin and the Kiffindales"
that’s a new one I just read. Pretty funny.
Seriously, I don’t see anyone making up names for Dan Mullen, Bobby Johnson or Rich Brooks.
But I do see “Lame Kitten”, “Urbie Cryer” and “Nick Satan” quite a bit.
Ball, oskie, cover, block, cut and slice, pursue and gang tackle... for this is the WINNING EDGE.
by pound the rock on Sep 22, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh Urban...
You make me laugh and laugh and laugh and…..
Sept. 20 Headline: "Lane Kiffin furthers career. Collects 2 whines, one blatant and drives Urban Meyer out of mind in 3rd game of season."
ERIC BERRY 4 HEISMAN
How can you compare Kiffen to Spurrier
Spurrier actually beat Fulmer, repeatedly, not just talked about it. As a gator fan, if being in Meyer’s head means playing run out the clock down seventeen in the fourth quarter I hope he takes permanent residence their. I never dreamed I’d see the day so many Tennessee fans were so happy about losing to Florida by ten, with Kiffen calling the plays I think you’ll have many of these kinds of losses to celebrate.
Yay
A new troll!!!
Tennessee WILL beat Georgia on the way to 9+ wins in '09!!!
Eric Berry For Heisman!!!
Heh
And I don’t know this one. The Florida fans I know can spell.
So he’s all yours, VolBrian. Sic ’em.
;-)
Rocky Top Talk
by Joel Hollingsworth on Sep 22, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey
Just want to let you guys know a little extra about the kiffin/meyer BS. Kiffin directly after the game went on bragging about how his daddy found blue prints on how to beat florida and so on. So Meyer in return annoyed by this, stated he had the game won, and it appeared kiffin wasnt going to make him do anything more then play conservative since a lot of his player were sick or hurt.
Its not that I agree for Meyer to imply that he would of blown tenn away if those circumstances didnt occur, I just think he intended to move on but the blue print thing pissed him off. So its not like Kiffin was playing mr. innocent and Meyer the comment this time. Kiffin baited him and Meyer this time fell for it.
Also I read a lot of gator bashing…If the Gators EVER get to be so terrible and pethetic that when we lose a game by 10 points, and at no point in the game threatened to win the game and the gator nation is STILL HAPPY with the game! please kill me.
Hahahahaha
This ones crazy.
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by Pride of the Southland on Sep 22, 2009 11:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What is with these conspiracy theories?
(or should i say Kiffspiracy?). This is ridiculous, where do you get this stuff?
Someone call Mulder and Scully to investigate this.
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by Pride of the Southland on Sep 23, 2009 12:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
?
this is actually happend, kiffin was bragging about the blue prints to beat florida… do u need a link? if u watched the game u could of heard him say it urself like i did. or are u saying u dont think Meyer heard or cared about that and it had nothing to do with his later comments.
I mean after the game Meyer said Tenn played a tough game and gave them respect, do you honestly think Meyer would of said those comments later the next day if Lane would of just stayed classy and said somthing like …their a good team, or we almost had that one, but we just didnt make enough plays. like every other SEC coach would say.
+1
His words I believe were more along the lines of:
“Monte found a blueprint defensively for stopping the Gators, we just couldn’t get enough done on offense to win”
That’s a paraphrase, but fairly accurate.
And he said that one time, never bragged, and congratulated the Gators numerous times on the victory.
I guess it just doesn’t take very much to get Urbie whining and crying. You fans really are starting to take after your coach in a dog-looks-like-his-master kind of way. No very flattering, but good luck with that….
Tennessee WILL beat Georgia on the way to 9+ wins in '09!!!
Eric Berry For Heisman!!!
the gators as a team might not be pathetic
but their fans are. even when they win, they have to defend themselves. they act scared…
by golfballs03 on Sep 22, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This guy isn't even worth my time
Who’s next?
Tennessee WILL beat Georgia on the way to 9+ wins in '09!!!
Eric Berry For Heisman!!!
Ok, I'll bite a little bit....
If we’re like Vandy, why are you here?
And, as a follow-up, we may be satisfied with what happened on Saturday this season, but I do believe we all expect a outright win next season with no qualifications or you’ll see a similar reaction to the 21-20 loss a few years ago.
Tennessee WILL beat Georgia on the way to 9+ wins in '09!!!
Eric Berry For Heisman!!!
Right, hurt our pride
Give me a break, hurt our pride we’re 3-0, number one in all the polls and just beat a big rival, I guess your right we have nothing left to be proud of compared to the mighty Vols who are 1-2 with no hope of winning the SEC. If you think 10 point wins hurt a team’s pride I’m sure with Lane’s lame play calling the Vols will hurt several teams pride this year.

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