Stepping Back: A Look at the Tyler Bray Commitment
Judging the the web traffic yesterday, Tyler Bray's commitment to Tennessee was considered the biggest piece of recruiting news since Bryce Brown. Message boards like VolQuest and VolNation went bersek within minutes of the initial announcements. News sites were tripping over each other trying to get confirmation and trying to land the 'scoop' story on their website first. Bloggers (myself included) were rapidly scouring the internet to judge how valid the rumors were and how soon they could open up community discussions on the subject. For a couple of brief hours, Tyler Bray was far and away the dominant point of Tennessee Volunteer interest on the internet. And for good reason.
The Tennessee recruiting chimera places a lot of pride on their ability to bring in the players they want into the program. With the exception of the quarterback position, that was exactly what happened since Lane Kiffin stepped up to the mike in early December. The secondary class of 2009 is absolutely spectacular. Ed Orgeron seemingly points at defensive linemen and they jump on board. Running backs, special teams players, and South Floridians are drawn to Eddie Gran like moths to a flame (only without the whole singed wings part). But until yesterday, landing a quarterback seemed to elude the staff, placing one very big fly in the otherwise silky-smooth ointment.
But is Bray as big of a deal as the recent attention suggests? In my optimism, I'm inclined to think so, but let's look at the situation a bit and see what we're getting.
DISADVANTAGES
Bray's negatives are exceedingly obvious, and are the reasons he wasn't given much attention earlier. He's very thin (about 185-190 lbs. at the beginning of the summer) and slow (5.4-5.5 40 time). Even for a pocket quarterback, those are numbers that just scream tackling-dummy-to-injured-reserve. Also, being that tall and thin adversely affects strength metrics in a big way. There's a reason that the short-armed guys are the ones who win the bench press competitions at the NFL combines; they're doing far less work per repetition and consuming less energy. Much the same applies at 6'-6", and when coupled with a high bone weight to muscle weight ratio, the measurables just don't stack up.
We can't dismiss the lack of weight, even though weight is one of the easier deficiencies to correct for most players. You hear of players gaining or losing 10-20 pounds all the time (and linemen even more so) thanks to individually-tailored workout regimens, and the news isn't seen as particularly shocking. But those players are either closer to the norm for football players in the first place, or they are overweight and trying to lose pounds. It's just not common to see somebody this far underweight (football-wise). So we'll have to wait until we see how this progresses. He's reported to be up to 200 pounds already and he has an entire year to put on weight until next season. If we make the assumption that Stephens will start next year, Bray will have even more time. So long as we see continual weight gain - even if it's slow - we don't need to worry too much.
As far as being slow: we'll need to watch this. In Kiffin's system, Bray doesn't need to be a blazer, but he does need to be mobile enough for bootlegs, moving around in the pocket, and the occasional desperation scramble. If he builds up his muscle bulk, his bone mass to muscle mass ratio should drop to a better mark and he should gain speed as a result. I think he can get down to 5.1ish times with good track training and the right muscle build, and that should be good enough.
The Upsides:
Undeterred by his lack of offers, Bray hit the summer camp circuit hard to try and prove himself. The first serious wake-up call came at the Elite 11 quarterback camp, where he barely missed out on MVP honors to Jake Heaps but took home Most Accurate and Most Upside awards. He then spun out to the National Ultimate 100 and validated himself with a repeat performance. That upside that garnered so much attention was comprised of:
- A surprising level of coordination for a tall, thin teenager.
- A short, compact, and very efficient throwing motion.
- Great footwork and fundamentals.
- A reasonably long range.
- Good field intelligence.
- Terrific accuracy.
Bray is almost a contradiction. We've all seen the kids who grew faster than their motor skills could accommodate, and they all look like Bray. We just don't see them who manage to maintain the fine tuning throughout the process, like Bray has. Stylistically, he's very similar to other tall precision quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and Drew Bledsoe (which is obviously not saying he's necessarily the next coming of either). His height gives him great field vision, even during the play when linemen are standing in front of him. His quick overhand motion gets the ball out fast and above the defensive line, which should make his passes very difficult to block. At the very least, he's well suited to manage the offense on the field, and that's quite workable.
The most well-known video of Bray is here, courtesy Rivals. You can see in the video that, even though he's really thin at the time, he has a lot of velocity on the ball, and the receivers had a hard time with his hardest throws. I don't know how his touch is, so we'll have to see how that develops.
TWO QUESTIONS:
One: How strong is this commitment? This is never a question to dismiss anymore. We pulled Janzen Jackson, Bryce Brown, Nu'Keese Richardson, Marsalis Teague, and even David Oku (in a sense) away from other programs in the eleventh hour last year. It happens, and it will happen to our own commits from time to time. Considering that we pulled Bray from San Diego State, some reassurances that he won't bolt a second time would be nice. We have three:
- His family, by all accounts, is now planning on moving to Knoxville. House-shopping is usually a pretty solid indicator of a commitment being solid. It's somewhat volatile until the point that the family actually signs a home contract, but looking at houses in Knoxville does mean they're not looking in L.A. or (shudder) Gainesville.
- He is now on the phones recruiting for UT. In interviews, Bray has already indicated that he's going to work the lines with Markeith Ambles to bring in the offensive players that UT wants. I wouldn't be surprised if both T.J. Leifheit and James Stone have heard from him. I take this as a good sign.
- He will enroll in January, and no other school are reported to be pursuing him at the moment. There's just not a lot of time left to make him change his mind, especially considering point 1 above. If we hear of another school pressing him really hard, then we'll have reason to wonder. But until then, we can assume he's safe.
Two: Are we overrating this guy? Again, it's a fair question: we did pull a recruiting coup by snatching him form the clutches of the mighty Aztecs of San Diego State, after all. The truth is that there is always the chance that he'll not turn out. The only real answer to that question is that this is a risk with any quarterback coming out of high school. Peyton Manning is thought of as Peyton Manning because he happened to become what we hoped he'd be, but that's not to say that his success was a guarantee. But the possibility of him busting doesn't mean we can't expect him to succeed. Stylistically, he's a great fit for UT's new offensive system. His strengths are precisely the skills that he needs to succeed in Knoxville, and his weaknesses are the things least emphasized here. As best as we can tell, the fit appears good, so it's ok to be optimistic. If he does fail, it's more likely because of disappointment rather than being overrated in the first place.
It's not a satisfying answer, but that's because there is no good solution available until he suits up and plays. The proof is always in the pudding, so he have to sit back and wait. But at least we now know who we're waiting on.
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Even keeled evaluation
Logical points without the skipping through the daisy fields that yesterday’s announcement provoked.
by jtferrell21 on Sep 9, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great analysis
Bray does have a ton of potential upside if he can put on the weight (as you mentioned, some reports already have him bulked up some). Seems like he was way off the radar until the Elite 11 camp. Particularly the fact that he can come and play in spring ball and learn the offense is huge.
All that said, it would still be great if we had another QB in this class.
by dmiles on Sep 9, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
The only thing I see missing is mindset for lack of a better word. Attitude maybe. Or, does Tyler Bray possess the wherewithal mentally to play in the SEC and lead an SEC team?
Answer? We have no way of knowing, but there is a reason I bring this up.
In Meat Market, Coach O is recruiting a few highly talented players, but backs off even when larger or more presitgious football programs start in on the prospect because he just doesn’t think the prospect has the mindset and mental toughness to play in this league.
So, aside from the physical talent aspect, we have to consider his mental faculties as well. Something I’m not quite sure Tennessee has done well with in evaluating in the past. See examples such as Brent Schaffer, James Banks, and others that never panned out.
Now, as far as Tyler Bray goes, let me reiterate my point from yesterday.
I completely trust this staff to evaluate the physical and mental abilities of players far better than me or anybody with a keyboard in front of them. If they didn’t like this guy, they wouldn’t have offered him. Simple as that. No, he wasn’t the first pick, but the wouldn’t have given him an offer if they didn’t think he can handle it. A commitment from Bray hampers any chance Tennessee had left to get a flip from Brunetti, Scroggins, or Sims, and the coaching staff knows as much, but still sent him the paperwork. That says a lot.
Heck, Nick Lamaison is highly rated as well, but the staff covered up his announcement for fear of losing Scroggins.
I guess this is my $0.14 (changing $0.02 to 14 in honor of EB), but I feel very comfortable with Bray simply because our coaches do.
Tennessee WILL beat Georgia on the way to 9+ wins in '09!!!
Eric Berry For Heisman!!!
by VolBrian on Sep 9, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm watching ESPNU's Elite 11 coverage from this summer right now.
Tyler Bray was #1 after one day of competition, and they talked to him about his performance. He said he always plays with a chip on his shoulder. Hopefully that carries over…
by golfballs03 on Sep 9, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those who saw his dad at the game
are not the least bit concerned about him bulking up. If his dad has any eligibility left, we need him on our OLine.
Part of Bray’s size issues is that he plays multiple sports, and just recently became committed to football.
I sometimes think people get a little too caught up on metrics. Tom Brady ran a 5.1 at the NFL combine and couldn’t have weighed much more than 200 lbs. Erik Ainge was 6’6 200lbs when he arrived at UT, and he’s now a (backup) quarterback in the NFL. This is not to say that he will be as good as Ainge (let alone Brady), but we’ve got some pretty good talent evaluators, and I trust them.
Bray took everyone by surprise. He has the most upside of all the quarterbacks in this class, and he just may be the best quarterback not named Heaps, who in my uneducated opinion is far and away better than any other quarterback in this class in terms of being polished and ready to play as a freshman.
I’m glad our coaches found him, and I do not have the least bit of worry that someone will flip him.
Good write-up, Hoop.
by rblakeh on Sep 9, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for bringing his dad up.
In an earlier iteration of this post, I had mentioned that, but inadvertently cut it with a bunch of rambly stuff. That’s a really good point; his dad is one big dude.
by Hooper on Sep 9, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now
Scroggins and Heaps may be better suited to make an immediate impact, but Bray could very easily turn out to be the best QB in this class. I think this is an excellent grab, now our focus on offense needs to be OL! I hope hooper is right, and both Stone and Leifheit have already gotten phone calls from him.
by golfballs03 on Sep 9, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Look guys, I live in cincy
We got Tony Pike. Tony Pike is, in my humble opinion, one of the top 3 or 4 qbs IN THE NATION. He is without question the best player in the BIG EAST. Guess what? Tony’s as tall (6’6) and thin (200 lbs) as a rail. However, he is a remarkable passer and leader, and thats why he is so successful at the qb position. So do yourself a favor and don’t worry about Bray’s skinniness; he will do just fine (remember, a lot of weight can be gained in a year).
by cincyvol6198 on Sep 9, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great example.
Cincy does well protecting Pike from hits, as far as I can tell. It’s a matter of letting his strength flourish and minimizing the risks. Of course, not letting your quarterback get hit is always a good thing…
by Hooper on Sep 9, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's Casey Clausen slow
but Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, and Mark Sanchez weren’t the first coming of Usain Bolt either. Get enough RBs, WRs and OL (maybe a TE or 2) and he won’t have to move very far anyway.
by wvvol on Sep 9, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More concerned about his agility and footwork in the pocket
than his straight line speed.
Jacory Harris (Miami) has incredible footwork in the pocket in terms of elusiveness. Dude just floats in the backfield and defenders go right past him. It’s amazing to watch.
by rblakeh on Sep 9, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that dude impressed the hell out of me agaisnt Fla. state
he is for real
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 9, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not it's good to compare Jacory Harris to Tyler Bray, but
I hope Bray has “some” elusiveness or he’ll get killed once he sees SEC Speed up close.
Has any non-lineman ever run a 5.45 40?
by wvvol on Sep 9, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say most kickers can run faster than 5.45.
Sebastian Janikowski excluded.
by wvvol on Sep 9, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To quote Sebastion
“That’s f***ing bull***t!”
by danmarcel on Sep 9, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More incentive for him
to help recruit blue chip offensive linemen. :)
by danmarcel on Sep 9, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should be "I'm not sure"
tricky 4 letter words…
by wvvol on Sep 9, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Whats the word on Chris Donals
I’m from west tennessee, and i figured he’d be playing by now…he didn’t even get in against WKU in a blowout…is he hurt, or just not good enough?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 9, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good question...
and I can’t find an answer. I’d lean towards buried on the depth chart since he wasn’t on the injury report.
Will - Rocky Top Talk
by Will on Sep 9, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad for SDSU
They had a good recruit leave. Maybe one day the Aztecs will get a break.
by Jeremy Mauss on Sep 9, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hoke will do nice things there.
It’ll take a bit longer now, though.
by Hooper on Sep 9, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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