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Question: How to (eventually) deal with reinstated players?


I know this question is premature at this point (how premature is anybody's guess), but I'm just so excited about UT basketball that I can't help examining what our future may hold. So far, the prevailing opinion is that Williams, Tatum, and Goins will be reinstated to the program sometime this season. I've heard people saying it could happen as early as this week, but it could be another month for all we know. At any rate, it seems likely that it will happen. And when it does, how will CBP handle it? If memory serves, CBP has not had to deal with any in-season suspensions before, so there is no track record suggesting how this will work. With that in mind, I'd like to examine two cases from football season that I thought were handled especially well. Hopefully it will shine some light on the appropriate course of action here.

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Case #1: Lane Kiffin's treatment of Janzen Jackson. As we all know, after serving a minor one game suspension, Jackson was involved in an embarassing, frightening, and highly publicized arrest of three UT football players. Like CBP, CLK suspended each player involved until all the facts of the case were brought to light. During that time, the football team played twice, going 1-1 and suffering through arguably their two worst defensive performances of the regular season (this definitely included the worst defensive performance, but we didn't play well against Vandy either). In the end, CLK (and the DA) found no reason to believe that Janzen Jackson was involved in any wrongdoing. He was immediately reinstated and started the next game (a win) against Kentucky.

Case #2: Chip Kelly's treatment of LeGarette Blount. Going into the season, Oregon was ranked in the top 20, and Blount was their best offensive weapon. But he threw a punch after a loss to Boise State and, well, you just can't do that. He was suspended indefinitely and given a list of things that he must accomplish to be reinstated to the football team. As it turns out, he accomplished them, and after eight games, Kelly was ready to bring Blount back into the fold. Unlike the Jackson situation, the team hadn't exactly gone to pot without him. Oregon was 7-1 during the suspension and had scored 30+ in 7 games and 40+ in 5. They had a win over an eventual top 25 team in Utah and a four-score victory over the jillion-time defending Pac-10 Champion Southern California. So how did Kelly handle Blount's reinstatement? He stuck his once-star running back at the end of the depth chart and told him to work his way back. Blount did not play in the first or second game after his suspension ended. In the third game, the de facto Pac-10 championship against Oregon State, he played a key role coming off the bench, carrying 9 times for 51 yards and a touchdown. In the Rose Bowl, he again came off the bench, carrying 5 times for 36 yards.

So, given that I think both of these treatments were excellently handled by the coaches involved, what would I do in CBP's situation? I think UT basketball's situation is much closer to Oregon football than Tennessee football. Unlike what happened with Jackson, I don't see any way that Williams, Goins, and Tatum can be cleared of wrongdoing (at least not if the guns were as obvious as people claim). Williams certaintly can't, because he had some maryjane in his backpack. Also, the team's response in the UT basketball case is much closer to Oregon football. Oregon's offense was actualy demonstrably better with the suspension of their best player; likewise, UT basketball has played their two best games of the season missing four of the top eight players in the rotation. It seems that they've finally come together as a team.

Two things are at play here, and both call for the same decision. First, in the event of real wrongdoing, we don't want to send a message that these players can just waltz back onto the team in the same position as when they left it. Second, UT basketball has finally learned to play as a team without these three guys; we don't want to jeopardize that by messing too much with a working rotation. That said, the current rotation probably doesn't have the depth to last a full season, and it doesn't appear that Tatum, Goins, and Williams have done enough wrong to see them sit for the rest of the year (or so the rumors say). So, as you may expect at this point, I propose that Pearl follow the Kelly model: when these guys come back, they start at the end of the bench.

This is not to say that they won't get minutes. Oregon has more depth at running back than we have at. . . basketball. But Goins starts behind Maze and Bone at PG, Tatum starts behind Hopson, Prince, Woolridge, and McBee in the 2/3 rotation, and Williams starts behind Chism, Woolridge, Hall, and Pearl in the 4/5 rotation. I imagine that this would mean Goins sitting out entirely for his first couple games back until he can unseat Bone (if he can unseat Bone). Tatum and Williams would probably get minutes immediately, albeit not as many as they're accustomed to. Whereas Goins has 2 guys ahead (for 1 position), Tatum and Williams both have 3.5 guys ahead (for 2 positions). Also, they play positions where foul trouble is a greater concern. So if CBP follows this model, I'd expect Tatum and Williams to play 5-10 minutes each and Goins to ride the bench for a couple games. I think this sends the appropriate message to the suspended players, and I think it will allow the current team to maintain the chemistry that they've shown over the last two games. After that, who knows? Tatum has more talent than McBee, maybe he jumps him. Goins has more talent than Bone, maybe he re-wins the #2 spot. I have a hard time seeing Williams outduel Hall at this point, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him take some minutes that currently go to Steven Pearl.

Anyways, that was my long-winded solution. What say y'all?

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Bring down the Hammer

This team has finally found themselves and I don’t want to punish the kids who have kept the ship afloat. I think IF they get reinstated, Pearl needs to continue to make a strong statement by giving these guys a suspension on top of time already missed. AND THEN make them earn their way back on the rotation.

So Sayth King Zach I

by kingofzachland on Jan 11, 2010 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

Suspend them after they're reinstated?

Why not just wait to reinstate them? I have no problem with your idea of a longish suspension. That’s a topic that I stayed away from in this post, but I think that a whole bunch of positions can be defended. I don’t think any of us would have a problem with a long suspension, but even a short one had them missing a game against the #1 team, and that’s a pretty good punishment by itself.

Whenever the suspension ends is the moment that I’m concerned about. And at that point, I want them back at the end of the rotation. As I said, that would probably put Goins sitting on the bench full-time unless he can make his way ahead of Bone. However, I do think Pearl would want someone else to contribute 15-20 minutes. This would give us a ten-man rotation. I propose that Williams and Tatum could both contribute 5-10 minutes and act as half of the tenth man. I don’t think this would be any sort of punishment towards the players who have kept the ship afloat. Hall and McBee both played 23 minutes yesterday. Hopson and Woolridge played about 35. If Williams and Tatum can combine for 15 minutes, Woolridge and Hopson still play 30, McBee and Hall still play 20 each. Maybe drop to 15 if Prince and Chism avoid foul trouble. I believe that is quite sufficient.

by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 11, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i have a semi-reliable tip

that B-Will is on the way out too because he was already on thin ice with pearl for disciplinary reasons.

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by hal41605 on Jan 11, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Certainly wouldn't break my heart

Both because of his play and because it was his backpack containing the pot. If that is the case, I think his minutes almost certainly go to Tatum. Woolridge, who is currently splitting time at 3 and 4 with the suspensions, would move full-time to 4 with the reinstatement of a capable backup to Prince. McBee would then back up Hopson and Tatum would back up Prince. If Williams does return, I’d expect to see Woolridge continue to split time at 3 and 4 and let Williams pick up a couple minutes in the 4/5 rotation.

by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 11, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's the thing that bothers me

They talked about the UT/KU game on PTI today, but you know what Wilbon was harping on? Not the outstanding performance of the 9 players left, but the bone-headed actions of the 4 who have been suspended. Despite a great win, this program still can’t get out from under the shadows of these players. Honestly, I don’t care to see any of them return, but if they do it should only be after a lengthy suspension.

So Sayth King Zach I

by kingofzachland on Jan 11, 2010 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

black athletes in trouble with the law

is one of wilbon’s favorite things to rant about. it’s not just UT.

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by hal41605 on Jan 11, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

now

if we could only find a boy’s name for your #2. seriously, im pretty sure that was a character in bring it on 4.

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by hal41605 on Jan 11, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds good to me

The thing I worry about the most is the chemistry. Whatever part of the absence sparked the remaining guys shouldn’t be messed with if at all possible. Although, I’m not sure of the shelf-life of the “we’re down four players” is, so at some point, working them into the rotation will need to happen. I like starting them at the back of the line, and all of this assumes, of course, that they deserve to be brought back at all.

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by Joel Hollingsworth on Jan 11, 2010 8:30 PM EST reply actions  

It's probably both unfair and unwise

but I like the idea of reinstating them and then benching them until we lose several games in a row. I don’t want to mess with what got the job done yesterday, but at the same time, I don’t want to say “suspend them for the year, we don’t need them!” and then watch Bobby Maze sprain an ankle Thursday night.

Pearl did a good job working J.P. Prince into the rotation two seasons ago when he was cleared to play after the fall semester ended due to transfer rules. He started slow, but then went off for a huge game at Xavier in like his third game back. I’m sure it’ll be slow going for these guys if/when they return.

by Will Shelton on Jan 11, 2010 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

Whether or not it's unfair, it's unwise (for two reasons)

First, giving a couple extra players 5-10 minutes a game is not going to ruin the team chemistry (provided those players earn the time). The starters are still the same, the main subs are still the same. The same team is still playing together for 80% of the game, and three of the same guys are there the other 20%. Maintaining chemistry was one of the two main goals of this idea (the other being avoiding a sense of entitlement from the guys coming back). However, not giving these guys the extra time will cause problems with fatigue. So you’re willing to wear out the guys in the current rotation to either reward them for good play or prove a point to the suspended players. Neither one is smart, imo. You bench players that either haven’t earned a spot or are being punished. Those are the only two reasons.

Second, if you bench them until we lose a couple games and then put them in, you get a lot of negative press. It looks like the benching is disciplinary (which it is, in no small part). So if the disciplinary action ends when the team starts losing, UT gets the rep for enforcing discipline while they’re winning but letting things slide when they start losing. One of the great things about Oregon was that they brought Blount back when the offense was clicking on all cylinders. If you wait for struggles to bring the guys back, it looks like you value winning more than discipline.

I understand where you’re coming from on making this statement, I just think that examining it further proves to be a bad idea on several points. What Joel said is pretty much my position in much less wordy form.

by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 11, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

This is honestly a well thought out point.

And while I dont necessarily agree with the way Oregon handled the Blount situation, I personally think he should not have returned this year at all (and i think that changes from person to person), I do agree generally with the points you make. In my personal opinion, I dont think blount should have been reinstated, But in my honest opinion, the views you present in reinstating the vols who were charged in this stupid fiasco makes sense. I dont think they should be reinstated but i also dont have all of the facts.

RIP Steve McNair (1973 - 2009) Retire #9!

by Pride of the Southland on Jan 12, 2010 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

This situation makes me wish Phillip Jurick hadn’t transferred.

Steven Pearl played some quality sub minutes when Wayne got his 4th foul the yesteday, and maybe the Maccabiah games really helped him develop, but I’ve seen him play poorly in the past, if I was the coach, I woldn’t want to have to trust him to be one of the go-to guys in the paint for 8-10 minutes a game when Wayne needs rest because I don’t see an asthmatic Chsim being able to go 40 minutes consistently.

It also strikes me that, as I recall, Pearl’s first recruiting class was very promising and included Duke Crews, Ramar Smith, another point guard, Josh Tabb, and Wayne Chism. Wayne Chism is the only one left.

by Prometheus1185 on Jan 11, 2010 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

Josh Bone in my mind

has more talent than Goins. Goins really hasn’t done anything to impress me this year. His best game that I can remember was the Memphis game, where I think he scored 8. I would like to see them give Bone a few more games to prove himself, but I also think he fits more of a 2-guard role better than a point guard.

This is all very biased, though, because I go to the high school Bone graduated from. If yall didn’t know this he and Brandan Wright (went to UNC for a year, now with the Warriors) graduated together and led their team to 4 straight TN state championships.

by JayF on Jan 11, 2010 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

So the current reports have Tatum and Goins returning soon and Williams returning after a longer suspension

That should trigger the scenario we’d discussed for Williams’ dismissal where Woolridge moves full-time to 4, and Tatum takes over full-time as Prince’s backup. If that rotation has a lot of success, Williams might end up in a similar position to the one I project for Goins, one where he starts with no minutes and has to work himself back into a minor role.

by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 12, 2010 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

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