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More thoughts on Lane Kiffin's abandonment of Tennessee: deep breath, y'all

As the torches cool this morning, it's probably a good time for all of Vol nation to take a deep breath and a fresh look at things in the light of day.

  • Regarding this year's signing class. I'm not sure who all was already enrolled for classes. I'm told that if they're enrolled, they're here unless they want to sit out for a whole year.  Even though classes start tomorrow. Actual attendance at class might not matter. Can anyone confirm this? In any event, we do now have a link for the report that Ed Orgeron has already contacted the early enrollees, presumably for the nefarious purpose of recruiting them to USC. Leaving after a year of rabble rousing is one thing. Leaving the program in a lurch at the worst possible time is another. And raiding the bank account on the way out the door is something still more.
  • National Signing is close, but there are still three weeks. It's not a lot of time, but if Mike Hamilton can find a top-end replacement, we may yet be able to do some significant damage control.
  • Looking at the positive, if any of our recruits actually do follow Kiffin and his staff to USC, well, at least they're not going to the SEC. Hey. It's something.
  • It's probably best to give Mike Hamilton a chance to make a great hire before he's tallied up as a failure. I don't know how he would have been able to predict this turn of events, and buyouts work both ways. We know Kiffin's buyout to leave was $800k, but what was the penalty for the University if we needed to get rid of him? Also low, I'm guessing. And there are candidates available, and it's still quite possible that we find ourselves with an actual upgrade.
  • As hurt and disappointed as we fans are, think about the players. It's not their fault and they're not the bad guys. Those left behind need our support like never before.

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Thanks for this, Joel.

We DO need to think of the players. They will ultimately be the ones who suffer most.

And Tennessee’s 1st year buyout of Kiffin had we released him……$7.5 million.

by ChattVol on Jan 13, 2010 7:56 AM EST reply actions  

To the Vols

Obviously, I’m not a Vols fan but I am a fan of the game. The university, administration, fans, and the players deserved better and here’s hoping that you guys get a quality hire that actually deserves the job.

DWWD -- WDE!

by ATL_AU_FAN on Jan 13, 2010 8:06 AM EST reply actions  

Tiger fan here...

This just sucks! What a low life. I still can’t believe the things I’m reading here.
I’m sure you will bounce back strong though. You can certainly do nothing but upgrade IMO. Best of luck in this mess!

by Totally Spoil on Jan 13, 2010 8:18 AM EST reply actions  

Vols fans, rejoice

As a Gator, I’m not one to normally feel too many tender emotions for Tennessee fan… but Kiffin is a vile, despicable human and Tennessee deserves better. Anybody who can make Al Davis look like the good guy in a dispute doesn’t deserve a job like Tennessee’s… we’ve been telling you what a scumbag this guy is, now we’ll certainly agree on that. Here’s hoping UT gets a great coach that honors Tennessee and the SEC. Also, I know it would never work this way, but I wish Tennessee’s SEC brothers could lay off the UT recruits and help them keep this class as in-tact as possible.

by gatorman2k2 on Jan 13, 2010 8:19 AM EST reply actions  

Tennessee also deserved a better time for the departure of the head coach

The timing of it all, moreso than the quality of the coach, is why us Vol fans are upset. We all know that a poor recruiting class can set a program back for years. And Kiffin’s timing…..argh…..is the worst that it could have been for our program.

I won’t miss Kiffin. I’m worried, though, that we may lose half our class.

...just apologize for not thanking me.

by kidbourbon on Jan 13, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Kiffen is a piece of S#$T

I have lost all respect for the man, and he took his dad and Oregorn too.

But like you Kildourbon the recruting class is what worries me the most right now.

by bullrider73 on Jan 13, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

With Kelly at ND and Leach acting like a Lawyer ?

Who in the world do we look for as a New again head coach. There is part of me that is glad to see him go, a little to much of a pompous A*** for my liking . And will his staff go with him or not. I hope Ed will stay but at this point who knows !

Dan Willmams and Hardesty are the real deal ! Go Vols !

by bulldurham on Jan 13, 2010 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

They are all gone--Kippy is interim head coach

Monte and Ed are definitely gone. Coach O has allegedly been calling early enrollees and telling them not to attend classes.

by ChattVol on Jan 13, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course...

The NCAA will create a committee, spend two years investigating these claims, rule that Kiffin & Co. are guilty of all charges, and put a frown-y face sticker in the folder labeled “KIFFIN.”

by DougoUConnPlaysFootball? on Jan 13, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate frowny face stickers.

I hope this is not true. It’s one thing to leave and go somewhere else, but it’s another thing to try to sneak your recruits out of town on your now previous employer’s dime.

by ChattVol on Jan 13, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

What is Chaney doing?

...just apologize for not thanking me.

by kidbourbon on Jan 13, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I haven't heard a peep about him

but I assume that he is leaving… you would think that he would have the opportunity to at least be the interim coach over a guy who has only been at UT for a couple weeks

by golfballs03 on Jan 13, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Most sources are saying

Hamilton’s first target is Will Muschamp. He’s head coach in waiting at Texas, but they recently gave Mack Brown a 5-year extension so now may be a good time to throw money at him.

by ChattVol on Jan 13, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Issue isn't the money...

The Vols and Horns can play financial brinksmanship all they want, but, at the end of the day, Muschamp will make his decision based upon the program’s stability.

The sad reality of the situation is that Texas is in a much better spot than Tennessee right now; and this was so even before LOLane skipped town. I don’t see Muschamp leaving Texas.

Watch Hamilton announce Muschamp this afternoon, just to make me look like a jerk; I’ll apologize heartily if that’s the case.

by DougoUConnPlaysFootball? on Jan 13, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Another reality of the situation is that Muschamp isn't the head coach of Texas.

Florida is in a much much much better situation than Louisville, and Charlie Strong lept at the opportunity to be the head coach there.

Program stability will clearly play no role. Don’t believe me? Look and see how many schools Muschamp has coached at.

Alpha dogs want to be alpha dogs.

...just apologize for not thanking me.

by kidbourbon on Jan 13, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Leach isn't 'acting' like a Lawyer

He IS a Lawyer. He graduated near the top of his class at Pepperdine.

UT should name him today, keep most of the recruiting class and win the SEC East next season.

At 11-2 with a Trip to the Sugar Bowl (only two losses to National Champion LSU) Leach would be coach of the year and you guys can really enjoy that and the fact that Kiffin and USC will be suffering under the NCAA death Penalty.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!

by SouthernMan on Jan 13, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see that happening

As much as he may be wanted, Hamilton won’t pick a guy with a cloud over him right now. I say he goes for Muschamp and possibly Troy Calhoun at Air Force. Calhoun was his 2nd choice to get the job last year.

by ChattVol on Jan 13, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

That would be a shame

Mike Leach is one helluva football coach. He had Texas Tech playing at a very high level without the big time recruiting machine that his competitors had (Univ of Texas, Oklahoma, etc). Sure Mike’s outspoken and strong willed but he’s a rock solid head coach and a winner too. The so-called cloud hanging over him is BS (read what his players had to say about the incident).

by davesmall on Jan 13, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Hamilton does not deserve any blame for this

Kiffin was the correct choice at the time. Hamilton’s methods were correct, and the coach he selected based on those methods put together an All-Star staff that would have built a machine at UT had they stayed. Hamilton had no way of predicting the perfect storm that would land Kiffin back at USC.

Of course, all coaches will eventually leave, it is just a matter of when. Hammy had no way of knowing, or reasonably deducing, that Kiffy was going to pull this kind of job on us

...just apologize for not thanking me.

by kidbourbon on Jan 13, 2010 8:41 AM EST reply actions  

I would not say that he does not deserve ANY blame...

Sure, it seemed highly unlikely that USC would come calling this soon after we hired Kiffin, but Hamilton knew (or at least should have known) that USC was Kiffin’s dream job and that he would leave if they ever offered him their job. Hamilton deserves at least some measure of blame for hiring a mercenary knowing that.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Jan 13, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Was there a buyout clause

for his assistants?

Kiffin delenda est.

by Muhler on Jan 13, 2010 8:47 AM EST reply actions  

Muschamp would look great right now

Calhoun wouldn’t be a splash (which we need), but he had a very, very solid track record. I could deal. I’d also take a look at Petersen, Patterson, Whittingham (shows you the respect I have for the MWC), Petrino, Mullen, Edsall, and possibly some ex-NFL guys (Cowher, Gruden, as were rumored last year).

Guys that we don’t want include Fulmer, Cutcliffe, Spurrier, Leach. Fulmer (still) needs a change of scenery, Cutt doesn’t recruit well, Spurs has fallen off, Leach has image problems (unfair as they may be) and can’t recruit. Or run.

That buyout was still ridiculous. 800k on his end, but 7.5 mil on ours? Absurd! I hope there was some sort of buyout for the assistants.

by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 13, 2010 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah

I miscalculated on that. Doesn’t seem right.

Rocky Top Talk

by Joel Hollingsworth on Jan 13, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

it's right...if you're referring to discrepancy

Contract details I didn’t understand it at the time either. He didn’t have a track record. It made no sense.

by ChattVol on Jan 13, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, no

I meant “proper.” Doesn’t seem proper.

Rocky Top Talk

by Joel Hollingsworth on Jan 13, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you guys will definitely be better off without him...

I wen to Ole Miss, but my sister is a current student at UT, so I definitely sympathize… Kiffin is douche for blindsiding the university like he did. We at Ole Miss experienced something similar with Tuberville, but I’m pretty sure this is worse.

Now go hire Muschamp and continue the rebuilding.

by Rebel91 on Jan 13, 2010 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

Monte Kiffin was just on The Sports Animal

caught the very tail end of it, and even then I’m not entirely sure he’s giving us the full story, but much respect to that guy for standing up and talking like a man.

by Will Shelton on Jan 13, 2010 9:56 AM EST reply actions  

but he raised a little rat

i think that says something about him too. not to mention he’s leaving with him. i’m sure lane discussed it all with daddy first

by golfballs03 on Jan 13, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Enrollment

Bray and the other two mid-term enrollees are bound to remain at UTK unless UTK grants a release. If the other 5-ish guys who were to be mid-term enrollees do not attend class, then they are not bound to remain.

by raynoch46 on Jan 13, 2010 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

Who are the other two?

One of them, IIRC, was either Ted Meline or Matt Milton. Thinking it was Meline. Is that right?

by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 13, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Simms and Thompkins

Simms and Thompkins signed letters of intent (Bray, Fugate and Milton have not – and could not have). Letters of intent are binding contracts upon the player and University.

Thompkins is saying that he’s not starting class. Not sure what that does for him.

Bray, Fugate and Milton are in a different boat than Simms and Thompkins, though both boats are rowing to the same place – Lake Loudon Blvd in Knoxville.

by raynoch46 on Jan 13, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Is this a RTT first...

A link to TMZ regarding Thompkins.

Sorry Joel. Hope that link doesn’t bring down the price of real estate around here.

by raynoch46 on Jan 13, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if he knows he'd have to sit out a year (I think)

That TMZ article also said Marques Pair isn’t budging. Not that I really trust TMZ, but take it for what it’s worth.

by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 13, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

TMZ!?!?!

what in the world is going on?

by golfballs03 on Jan 13, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

BTW

The only way Bray, Fugate, and Milton can leave is if Tennessee grants them a release. The same goes for the JUCO guys who signed LOIs.

Personally, I think Tennessee should let them if they want. We only want kids who truly want to be here. True Volunteers! The ones who stay will be admired for sticking with us

by golfballs03 on Jan 13, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

But they've already practiced with the team

Doesn’t having a month of practice mean that you need something more than just a release? I don’t know, just asking.

by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 13, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

oops

I second that emotion

Lane Kiffin can eat a *self delete* and choke on it!

by pound the rock on Jan 13, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Thompkins

He has to sit out if he signed his NLI, which I think he did. Otherwise, he’s fair game (unless released).

by raynoch46 on Jan 13, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Corey Miller

He went to class today, so he’s a Vol.

by raynoch46 on Jan 13, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Sports Animal just reported a text from Miller

That he did not go to class. He is leaving his options over.

I wonder if we will keep any of these guys.

Official MCM Hater!

Retire #9!

by gramsey712 on Jan 13, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Options open

Freudian slip?

Official MCM Hater!

Retire #9!

by gramsey712 on Jan 13, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we should release any kids who want to leave

I only want kids who want to be at UT. Rather have 3 star kids who bleed orange than 5 stars that get all wobbly on UT.

Lane Kiffin can eat a *self delete* and choke on it!

by pound the rock on Jan 13, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Assistant Coach Contracts

According to this article, the assistant coach contracts were not finalized in October ’09. Who knows if the various Memoranda of Understanding reflected buyouts for early departure.

by raynoch46 on Jan 13, 2010 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

Kiffin's buyout

Had Kiffin left in December, his buyout would have been $1 Million.

by raynoch46 on Jan 13, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps now we get a class act.

John Gruden was let go by Tampa a few days after Kiffen was hired. I remember thinking at the time Hamilton should have waited. If TN could somehow land Gruden this go round, problem solved. Kiffen was born on third base and wants to be congratulated for a triple. Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, Lane. Might damage the door.

Vinnie Testaverde is always remembered for Tennessee kicking his ass.

by RevOrange on Jan 13, 2010 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

Kiffin

Hire mike leach and move on. He will be a better coach.

by chucketuna on Jan 13, 2010 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

I think we need to get Fulmer and Majors

And who ever else we can get in there to calm the waters for this players new and old sitting in limbo !

Dan Willmams and Hardesty are the real deal ! Go Vols !

by bulldurham on Jan 13, 2010 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

A silver lining?

Hound Dogs is asking people not to burn or rip up the Kiffin shirts because they will send them to Haiti’s earthquake victims.

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Jan 13, 2010 10:45 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Rec this

And someone find a link with an address to send them to. Por favor.

Official MCM Hater!

Retire #9!

by gramsey712 on Jan 13, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if I can take Haitians in orange Kiffin shirts

How about we just make a pledge that for every Kiffin shirt we burn, we send one to Haiti. I like this idea much better.

by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 13, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

NEW Coach!

Mike leach from Texas Tech should take the spot! Tennessee will come out on the better end of this deal.

by gnr58 on Jan 13, 2010 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

New Twitter:

I hope this is fake

Via Clay Travis

ClayTravisBGID
  
Is this real? RT @lkiffinusc 14 Months I gave my all for Tennessee, I left it better than when I got there. lets all be adults here.

I can't hear you. Rocky Top is playing.

by RockyTopinKY on Jan 13, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

That i dont know

but he did claim to have “left UT better than when he arrived”

by Tater596 on Jan 13, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

err* to USC

RIP Steve McNair (1973 - 2009) Retire #9!

by Pride of the Southland on Jan 13, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

First post on the Rocky Top Talk blog...

Been a reader for quite some time on SB nation over at Cat Scratch Reader, the Carolina Panthers blog.

In the college game… I bleed big orange. This news his me like a wall of bricks last night. I am fairly sure I invented a host of brand new expletives to describe Judas Kiffin. I’ve come here to lick my wounds with the rest of you, and hope that Tennessee can find a better replacement. I also hope that the recruits committed to the school and not to Lane Kiffin. One thing if for sure… whatever team takes the field at Neyland next year is going to play angry. Very angry.

by Tater596 on Jan 13, 2010 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

I feel sorry for Tennessee Fans and I am a Bama fan

Kiffin is a scumbag. I think college coaches should have the same regulations as student athletes. If you change colleges you have to stay out of college coaching for one year before you can coach for another college team. If you want to go to the NFL (and you can get a job) so be it. But what Kiffin did to you Tennessee was basically how Dennis Franchione screwed Bama over. Franchione’s favorite saying was “hold the rope” and he let it go in and left in the middle of the night before a bowl game. It really sux for Tennessee. I used live in Nashville and I understand your passion. It hurts and Kiffin came in, made a bunch of enemies by his words, has caused the NCAA to investigate some of his dealing there and he is now skipping out, showing no character or loyalty he promised. He should have at least gave it two years. Of course you know that USC never gets sanctioned althought it is the dirtiest program in the country. Hang in there Vol fans. I think you will get a great coach. Not sure who all has signed their “new” coaching contracts yet but there are some good coaches floating around out there. You all will be better off without that scumbag Kiffin. If it wasn’t this year, he would have left you at the next opportunity. Remember it took us at Bama a long time after Gene Stallings left to find a good coach but I don’t think it will take the Vols that long. There are too many coaches who want SEC head coaching jobs.

Wynn

by wynnbeez on Jan 13, 2010 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

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