Anarchy Rules in the SEC East
Last Monday, we asked if the Vols were the worst team in the SEC. This Monday, allow us to point out how the Vols can still win the SEC East.
What changed while we were off? Nothing really...just another Saturday of Russian roulette, with Florida biting the bullet for the third straight week, and South Carolina doing the receiving instead of the giving. With all six teams in the East now through the halfway point of their season, the Gamecocks still lead the division...at 2-2. Second place? Vanderbilt.
Every other SEC East team has three conference losses.
Of course, let's point out that no one here really thinks Tennessee is going to win the SEC East, or start that process by winning on Saturday. It's just interesting to note that as poorly as things have gone for the Vols, it's such a crazy year that even at 2-4 and 0-3 in the SEC, we'd need very little help if we started winning. (For the curious and the insane, if Tennessee won out, they'd need only the winner of Florida vs. Georgia to lose one additional SEC game, and the Vols would be in Atlanta.)
This year, the phrase "if Tennessee won out" should probably be treated the way the phrase "if Vanderbilt won out" is treated every year. But if you're Derek Dooley, don't you think you might at least mention the idea to your players this week? I mean...why not?
Back in the real world, someone does have to win this thing. So let's throw some darts:
Despite their loss, South Carolina remains the frontrunner, and is one of two teams not named Vanderbilt who control their own destiny. The Gamecocks have Vandy and Tennessee the next two weeks, before their fate will likely be decided, as usual, in November: Arkansas at home, Florida on the road.
Florida also still controls its own destiny even at 2-3, because all three losses have come against SEC West foes. The Gators get a week to heal (and either fire Steve Addazio or put him in witsec), then have the Cocktail Party, Vandy in Nashville, and Carolina in The Swamp. They have the most favorable remaining schedule by far.
Georgia will need some help to put their early season train wreck behind them, mostly because they have a head-to-head loss to South Carolina. The Dawgs also have one of the nation's most difficult schedules on the whole, and it's getting no easier: at Kentucky, Florida in Jacksonville, and at Auburn. Running that table, and getting South Carolina to lose twice more? Not likely.
And then there's Kentucky. The Cats would need Florida to lose one game, but if they beat Georgia in Lexington on Saturday, they're a legitimate threat. Their remaining SEC games after that: at Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, at Tennessee. Don't count them out.
Vandy and the Vols haven't shown anything on the field to suggest they can compete for this thing...but it remains true that right now, at the halfway point of the season, all six teams are still very much in the race.
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If Kentucky won the East I'd mess my pants
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Curiosity Hypothetical
If this were to happen, I might venture to say that Kentucky fans would out number the fans of whatever team represents the West in Atlanta, because it would be such a milestone event for the program.
Would you agree or would we be too far into Basketball at that point to have that kind of showing?
Bring it across, shape it down
by Getoffmyvols on Oct 18, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Auburn would be the main exception
since they haven’t been in six years
by Will Shelton on Oct 18, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point, Auburn is on a whole new level of Kool Aid Drinkin' this year
Truthfully, Newton may be the best college quarterback to ever play the game – period. And that’s no hyperbole.
Bring it across, shape it down
by Getoffmyvols on Oct 18, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
wow
He’s good, but damn.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Agreed
He is very good and I am worried about what he might do to us this weekend (although our D has been good and MSU bottled him up well early on), but Col.Angus over there said he was better than Bo. I know they are at different positions and he was comparing their respective running abilities, but Cam is not a better runner than Bo Jackson—not even close.
http://www.trackemtigers.com/2010/10/17/1756867/time-to-put-the-pressure-on
"When a hurricane damaged my father's house, my brother rushed over with a gas grill, three coolers of beer, and an enormous F***-It Bucket - a plastic pail filled with jawbreakers and bite-size candy bars. ("When s*** brings you down, just say 'f*** it,' and eat yourself some motherf****** candy.")"
— David Sedaris from "You Can't Kill the Rooster"
*I know they are at different positions and he said Cam is...
the best player to ever play at AU, but at this point, I think Bo is the best by far. When he said Cam was better than Bo, I assume he was comparing their respective running abilities—Bo is better by far if that is the case.
"When a hurricane damaged my father's house, my brother rushed over with a gas grill, three coolers of beer, and an enormous F***-It Bucket - a plastic pail filled with jawbreakers and bite-size candy bars. ("When s*** brings you down, just say 'f*** it,' and eat yourself some motherf****** candy.")"
— David Sedaris from "You Can't Kill the Rooster"
I think so
UK football is a bandwagon sport (because of its proximity to basketball). And this would be a big deal.
But you’re right, it would be hard to be an Auburn contingency
I think their support is fairly impressive...
particularly when one considers just how bad they normally are.
I would agree
It would be an event UK football has never experienced since the days of the Bear.
And if I had to sell a kidney to be there, I would.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
never = not
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
I would love one more shot at Auburn......
The way Brown adjusted in the second half, he just might be able to figure out a way for us not to go down by 20 again and maybe win it this time
I Shall Always Be The Cat......In The Hat!!! The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 18, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Huh. 85 votes in, and Tennessee is ahead of Florida in the vote.
I realize we’re optimists, but that factors in the head-to-head loss against the Gators, despite us having massive depth issues and a much harder remaining conference slate.
But hey, we’re past the halfway point in October and it’s a 6-team race. That may never happen again in our lifetimes.
We can look forward a bit, too. You have to assume that Tennessee will improve over the next few years. In the meantime, it’s probably safe to assume that Vandy will stay Vandy. Also, both Georgia and Florida may continue to have difficulties with coordinators in the near future that hamper the impact that their talent has on the field. (Florida, in particular, may be at a crossroads; even if they release Addazio after this year, the wear and tear this is putting on Meyer may force his retirement/resignation/whatever a year or two earlier than he anticipated.)
That leaves South Carolina, who may peak next year during Garcia’s senior run, and Kentucky, who will have to replace Cobb, Locke, Hartline, and Matthews on offense in the next year or two. (If Cobb declares early, then the entire offense will basically turn over this offseason.) If SoCar does peak with Garcia, and if Kentucky does go into transition mode, then 2012 may very well be the year that Tennessee surprises. At that point, our offensive line will be upperclassmen, our defensive line recruits will be making an impact, our receivers will all be juniors and sophomores, and you’re looking at the possibility of a Bray or Nance junior QB, or a Worley sophomore QB (redshirts notwithstanding).
I think this year is simply one to enjoy for the football, but there are a lot of reasons to look forward to the future.
I justify my vote
Only by claiming a obvious sense of delusional mental capacity and over inflated sense of self worth :)
BloodSpite
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football." John Heisman
by Joseph Stanley on Oct 18, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
FWIW, I think Jeffery's last season at SC is a bigger deal than Garcia's last.)
But yes.
Simulated Gameday Experience - just like the real thing, only we have smoke machines.
by Chris Pendley on Oct 18, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And that might be the same season.
Since Jeffery will be a junior and has a great shot at a high draft pick, considering how he’s progressing.
by David Hooper on Oct 18, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I expect it to be next season.
The point was more that Jeffery tops them off fills them up is a key part of their offense.
Simulated Gameday Experience - just like the real thing, only we have smoke machines.
by Chris Pendley on Oct 18, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If we're thinking 2012 is our year this won't matter
but in terms of next year, we can’t forget the turmoil that this NFL offseason will bring.
There is a VERY good chance that there won’t be pro football next season. Or if there is, it could very well affect who goes and who stays.
So don’t expect all draft-worthy juniors to jump ship this year. Even if a new agreement is struck, I think it will still affect some decisions.
Probably hurts us more than anyone
Because I don’t think we have any draft-worthy juniors. And I want Randall Cobb and Cam Newton to go pro. I guess the latter doesn’t matter too much with Auburn off our schedule.
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 18, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I've lived in LExington for 4 years
I don’t despise Uk, although I do enjoy poking fun at their superficial football following (see Randall Cobb’s Twitter response from this weekend). But this Uk team has a lot of talent. Their Defense is suspect, but unlike 2007(or 08, I dont remember) they are under much less pressure (I don’t know how that team flopped).
Hartline has grown up a lot, a looked like a legit NFL prospect against SC. Cobb and Locke are electric and Matthews has turned into a big time receiver.
How awesome would it be for UK to come into Neyland with the Atlanta on the line and UT play meaningful spoiler?
I would not be surprised for the cats to be in Atlanta
I voted for Florida
regardless of their issues, are they really going to lose to Georgia with an extra week to prepare? And then, with the East on the line, is South Carolina really going to beat them in Gainesville? I think FSU may knock them around and they’re still no good on offense, but I’ll have to see UGA beating them and Carolina winning a game with a championship on the line before I believe it.
I was thinking the same thing
I just have a hard time seeing South Carolina put it all together on a week after week basis down the stretch. Are they capable
? Sure. Will they? Its South Carolina… I have my doubts.
Bring it across, shape it down
by Getoffmyvols on Oct 18, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
But they don't really have to put it together
On a week to week basis. They just have to beat Florida. Okay, Florida and two of Vandy, UT, Arkansas to clinch it. Actually, if they beat Florida and Vandy, they can win the East with losses to UT AND Arkansas, unless UT, Kentucky, or Vandy finish 3-1/4-1 or Georgia wins out.
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 18, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
The only thing about Florida is:
to win it, they’ll have to beat South Carolina. To beat South Carolina, they’ll probably have to score more than 20 points.
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by David Hooper on Oct 18, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd say the same thing about Georgia...
The fact is, Florida has looked AWFUL this season and if Vanderbilt somehow pulls off a monumental upset… they become an underdog to make it to a bowl.
Florida also doesn't have Marcus Lattimore.
Not looking forward to dealing with that.
Simulated Gameday Experience - just like the real thing, only we have smoke machines.
by Chris Pendley on Oct 18, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ask again if we manage to beat Georgia.
I wouldnt mind our odds if we beat them and SC.
I Shall Always Be The Cat......In The Hat!!! The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 18, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions
One thing is for sure. This game between us is setting itself up to be a dandy.
I heard there were still good seats available. Might be worth a trip to Knoxville.
I Shall Always Be The Cat......In The Hat!!! The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 18, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions
As awful as Georgia looked early, I wonder if they got healthy against UT and Vandy
because they looked like they could win the East in those two games. If GA has it figured out, they have the talent to win.
Florida has looked very underwhelming. South Carolina is up and down (Kentucky??). Kentucky put it together against USC, but it’s still Kentucky. Vandy – no way. UT – I love Dooley and he’s made a big difference, please put away the shiny objects.
By process of elimination, sorry VolBrian, Georgia.
The COEXIST bumper sticker is ridiculous. How are people supposed to get along when one side is flying planes into tall buildings or wearing sweater vests full of C4 and nails? The faiths are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
I'm not convinced that Georgia is fixed.
Let’s face it, blowing out us and Vandy doesn’t say a lot about your prowess as a football team this year. I think we’ll find out a lot about the current state of affairs in Georgia this weekend.

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