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LSU - Tennessee Final Sequence: A Chronicle of Events of the Fiasco

Before going any further, note the disclaimer here:

This is not an attempt to rationalize Tennessee's loss to LSU.  Tennessee lost, despite having plenty of opportunities to win.  They could have made the first down on their last drive, starting with that 2nd and 2.  Heck, they could have <i>ran</i> the ball then and at least burned more clock or an LSU timeout.  They could have stopped LSU's 4th and 14 (or even a 3rd an 13 much earlier in the drive).  They could have made the substitutions correctly.

I write this because I'm hearing a lot of misinterpretation of the events, particularly by callers on sports radio.  This is just a repository of some of the actual events of the final sequence, nothing more.

OK?  We good?  [/Cue sarcastic comments from the peanut gallery; I know and love you all.]

Alright, let's go.

To start, here's what I've done: I pulled up the replay on the SEC Network website.  Then I went through, issue-by-issue, and looked for the details.  The issues are in no particular order.   I'll leave the judgements about coulda-shoulda-woulda to you.

LSU's Center Removing His Helmet

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Here's a snapshot before the helmet is removed.  Note the time on the clock.

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The center is the leftmost LSU player on the screen.  You can see him reaching up to his helmet and that the clock has already expired.  His helmet doesn't come off for another second or two, which is clearly after he could reasonably believe the game to have ended.

Note also that Tennessee players and coaches are already coming out on the field.

The Umpire Standing Over The Ball

Keep this issue separate from Tennessee's actual substitution.  Tennessee screwed up, no matter what the umpire did.  Instead, consider this from the standpoint of time on the clock, not opportunity for Tennessee.

This'll take a few pictures to go through properly.  First, let's look at the point where LSU starts substituting.  On all these, keep track of time on the clock.

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15 seconds.  Note the position of the umpire.  Ok, now let's look at the point where the umpire starts running to the ball.  We have to extrapolate a little bit because the production crew changes to a camera view of the Tennessee sideline.

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The time is 11 seconds.  The actual point of recognition of the substitution occurred at  the switch from 12 to 11 seconds on the clock.  The umpire moved to the ball in response to Tennessee substitution, not in response to LSU.  That's the proper response; had UT not substituted, he would have had no reason to move.  (Reminder: the TV clock is an approximation of the game clock.  We don't know the EXACT game clock time, but we do have an idea of the time delta, which is what's important here.)

Ok, now let's see when he gets to the ball.

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This is the closest we see the official to the ball before the camera view switches.  There are 10 seconds on the clock.  Now, let's see the moment when the camera view returns.

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8 seconds.  The difficulty with still photos is the lack of motion.  Here's one second later.

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You can see the umpire off the ball.  If you watcht the video at the link above, you'd notice that he was already walking backward.  My best interpretation: he was watching the UT substitution and moving away as soon as the players were basically on the field.

At best, he was two seconds 'over the ball'.  Was that enough time for Tennessee?  If not, how much would have been?  Again, this is no excuse for the substitution infraction.  But a more relevant question would be whether UT had a fair chance to get the players on the field and get set for the play.

Was LSU set prior to the snap?

Yee-ha.  Here we go.  Here, I zoom in a bit to help get the details.  The resolution is the best that the SEC Network video offers.

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Four seconds on the clock and at least the tackles are not yet set.  An argument can be made for the left guard as well, but that's moot.  Now let's look at the moment of the snap.

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Were the Tigers set for a full second before the snap?  I'm not going to go frame-by-frame and calculate that; you'll have to go to the video and make up your own mind.  Keep in mind: the one-second rule for players being set, Rule 7, Section 1.4.a, is within the context of a post-huddle or post-shift formation. It's a little cloudier in this context than you'd expect, especially since part (b) of the rule emphasizes that the rule is to be interpreted by spirit, not letter, of the law.

Either way, note that there are three seconds on the clock.  Let's play a hypothetical: had a false start been called on the Tigers.  A false start is a dead ball foul while illegal participation is a live-ball foul, so only the false start would be called.  If this were the NFL, the penalty would include a 10-second clock rundown which would end the game.  However, after searching the rulebook for quite a while, I cannot find an equivalent in the NCAA rulebook.  In that case, I have to assume that the call would be a 5-yard penalty with the clock starting on the referee's signal.  Three seconds is enough time to get the snap off, so a final play would have happened from the 6, and we have no way of knowing how it would have turned out.

That's a lot.  Make of it what you will, but I think we can all at least appreciate that a lot happened in the span of 8 seconds, perhaps more than the officials could effectively manage.  Everybody was in fiascoville on this one.

LSU Players Legally Substituting

This is for completeness and needs no pictures.  By rule, LSU's incoming players had to step between the hash marks to be legally substituted.  They met this requirement; there is no concern of illegal substitution by LSU.  I know that nobody's discussing this one, but LSU was actually fortunate on this point.  Reuben Randle met this requirement only because the ball was on the far side of the field from the LSU sideline.  He barely crossed the hash only because he was signalling to the rest of the offense and he was clearly focused on getting in position, not on the hash mark.

But it was a legal substitution, period.  No foul there.

Why Substitute?

It's fair to ask why Tennessee bothered to substitute at all.  Keep in mind that LSU did in fact have enough time to make the substitution and snap the ball; even if the actual play had been a false start due to a premature snap, the three seconds was enough for a legal snap, especially if the umpire did not have to stand over the ball for a Tennessee substitution.

So, had UT not substituted, LSU could obviously run a play after substitution.  After the substitution, LSU had a 3-WR set on the field - clearly a pass play.  Meanwhile, Tennessee had a goal line defense with two defensive backs on the field (Janzen Jackson and Art Evans).  There were 4 linebackers (Austin Johnson, Nick Reveiz, LaMarcus Thompson, and Savion Frazier).  There were 5 linemen (Chris WalkerMontori Hughes, Corey MillerMalik Jackson, and Jacques Smith).  Ask yourself: even with Jordan Jefferson on the field, do you really want to face a 3-WR set with that lineup on the field?  Perhaps especially with Jefferson as QB and a 3-WR set, you'd want faster personnel.  If that's not convincing enough, consider that the eligible receivers were Russell ShepardReuben Randle, Terrance Toliver, and Deangelo Peterson.  Try to draw up an effective coverage scheme with UT's unsubstituted personnel; now try to draw that up in the span of about 8 seconds since I highly doubt that such a coverage scheme had been practiced during the week.

Substituting was clearly the right option in this case.

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Thanks, hoop.

I had been wondering what the need to substitute was, but that personnel combo blows. On the other hand, I doubt Crowton was smart enough to call for anything but a fade, so I’m not sure it would’ve been a huge issue. And I doubt Miles would’ve been able to get the play off in time anyway. (Down that path lies high-variance danger, but hey.)

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by Chris Pendley on Oct 5, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

My biggest concern was figuring out who was actually covering receivers.

Obviously Janzen and Art would have, but you still have one WR and one TE. I don’t think the defense could have sorted themselves out quickly enough to at least have a warm body covering each of those, not to mention the possibility of the RB running out in a pattern. I think the TE would have been completely uncovered in a pass route, to be honest.

And even if they had all been covered, who would have been left that could keep up with a Jefferson sweep/option to the wide side?

And for the record, I was initially in the “why substitute?” camp, but I fully agree with the decision. The coaches had to assume that the players would make the substitution, because the alternative of not substituting was a certain no-go.

by David Hooper on Oct 5, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still not totally convinced, to be honest.

What are they going to do, run a vert route that goes 4 yards? There basically is no feasible zone option; the danger is some pass play hangs out for 14 seconds while Jefferson scampers around.

Basically, if we had a play set up, LSU likely wasn’t going to be sure what to do – there’s going to be a breakdown a few seconds in (maybe not on the line, but at the perimeter). Post-play rationalization? Totally. But on a shortened field, mismatched personnel isn’t as big of a deal for me.

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by Chris Pendley on Oct 5, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding not being set

Clearly, you have a better grasp of the rules than I do, so here is the question I have: Is not being set for a full second before the snap essentially the same thing as a false start, or is it more akin to illegal formation? The reason I ask is that false start would put time back on the clock, but I believe an illegal formation would not do so.

I hope this question makes sense.

by johnnylongball on Oct 5, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I do cheat a bit on the rules: I have a pdf copy of the rulebook that I read through while writing these things.

I am not an expert otherwise. ;-)

But looking back at that, it’s Rule 7, Section 1-4(a).

If a snap is preceded by a huddle or shift, all players of the offensive team must come to an absolute stop and remain stationary in their positions, without movement of the feet, body, head or arms, for at least one full second before the ball is snapped (A.R. 7-1-4-I) [S20].

The tricky part is that first bit: If a snap is preceded by a huddle or shift …. There was no huddle, but was there a shift? To be honest, I didn’t know until looking that up to answer your question!

The issue is answered in Approved Rule 7-1-4-II, which states:

After a huddle or shift, Team A players take preliminary positions then advance or drop into final positions. RULING: Such movement constitutes a shift; players must hold their final positions for one second before the snap (Rule 2-22-1).

The act of dropping into stance by a lineman is considered a ‘shift’. Because of that, the one second rule applies and snapping too early is a foul.

If there is such a foul, it is an illegal shift, which is handled the same as a false start.

Does that help?

by David Hooper on Oct 5, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

But there was also a penalty on us

Would they be offsetting penalties and a new play from the two instead of the one? Because honestly, we might’ve stopped them from the two.

by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 5, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their penalty would have been a dead ball penalty

so an illegal shift would be enforced without regard to any action after the snap – just like a false start. In that case, the illegal participation would never have happened and LSU would have been penalized back to the 6 with three seconds on the clock.

What I can’t figure out is if there would have been a runoff like the NFL does. I can’t find such a rule in the rulebook. It appears that they’d simply start the clock with the whistle and LSU would have three seconds to get the snap off from the 6.

by David Hooper on Oct 5, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

An illegal shift is a live ball foul

The yardage is the same as for a false start, but an illegal shift is not a foul until the ball is snapped because the players who are shifting are still given an opportunity to get set before the snap and be legal again.

And there is no runoff…that is strictly NFL.

If there was an illegal shift (or any other live ball foul on the offense), it would be a live ball foul which would combine with the illegal participation to offset and the down would be replayed from the same spot as an untimed down.

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by gramsey712 on Oct 6, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

This, I think, is what should have been called

And who knows what would’ve happened. But another 2-3 feet might’ve made the difference. . .

by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 6, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks very much for the insight

Just to clarify, since it would be a live ball foul on both teams, and offsetting penalties, would there have been an untimed down, or would the game be declared over at that point and the untimed down never existed? I know a game can’t end on a defensive penalty, but can it end on offsetting penalties?

by johnnylongball on Oct 6, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't really matter

As stated above we had three clear chances to control our destiny and we missed all three. Had we simply run three running plays after the 2nd and 2, even if we didn’t make a first down, LSU would have probably run out of time before getting to the goal line.

by phil g on Oct 5, 2010 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Probably.

They’d also have started taking shots at the end zone from further out, so we can’t say anything for certain. But making that first down would certainly have helped our chances, both in terms of time and in terms of possibly getting more points on the board.

by David Hooper on Oct 5, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saw the end of the game on replay on CBS College last night...

I must be a masochist, because I actually tuned in and watched. I actually was curious about something someone posted on a message board (GoVols.com, maybe?) about a false start on the untimed down Lost in all the shuffle of the fiasco at the last seconds, is the fact that the center false starts. I know at that point the officials aren’t likely to want to interfere in this Greek tragedy unfolding, but it was pretty clear to me. T-Bob goes into the stance, grabs the ball, and then his whole body shifts up and forward before he snaps the ball. False start, 5 yrds, do over.

by ChicagoVol on Oct 5, 2010 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok, I took a look at the replay on that.

I don’t think it was a false start. I think that was a part of his normal snapping motion.

by David Hooper on Oct 5, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome recap. Please refer all national commentators to this summary. Perhaps the SEC Office as well.

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by memphispete on Oct 6, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

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