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Why the Wildcats beat Tennessee in the last ten minutes

A few more notes about Tennessee's lost to Kentucky this weekend:

And the rest of the Talking Points for 2/15/10:

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  • The Lady Vols dominate in the second half on their way to an 83-44 win over Florida.
  • Chris Low has clarification on the new 28-signee rule, whether early enrollees or December JuCo enrollees count (no and no), the all-important number 25 (the max number of initial qualifiers you can enroll on scholarship each year, the other all-important number 85 (the most scholarships you can have at any given time), counting back, and grayshirting.
  • Chris Low is counting down the SEC's 30-best players of 2009. He's down to No. 8, and Montario Hardesty (#18) and Dan Williams (#16) have already made the list.
  • Dr. Saturday gives us a look at excessive celebrations, "that loathsome scourge of the new generation."
  • We've had this reported here before in various comment threads, but Austin Rogers decided awhile ago to give up on getting a sixth year of eligibility due to a torn ACL before last season began. He'd been told initially that it was a long shot, and by the time it looked like it might actually be granted, he'd already decided to focus on a shot at the NFL. He'll take part in Pro Day on March 17.
  • Did you ever wonder why SB Nation doesn't allow folks to edit comments? This is one reason.

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I thought Skylar McBee played his best non-shooting game of the season

if that makes sense…even though he didn’t score, and even though the refs had a personal vendetta against him, he was very active defensively and rebounded very well for a guard. The more he turns into a complete basketball player and not just a shooter, the more we’ll use him down the road.

by Will Shelton on Feb 15, 2010 8:57 AM EST reply actions  

i agree

i was watching him alot on the defensive end and he had his zone down. i’ve seen him before not make the right switches and sometimes get lost, but he did look good against UK. Honestly though, for him to play at this level as a freshman walk-on is pretty good. I think sometimes people’s expectations for him are too high.

by golfballs03 on Feb 15, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree, Skylar played better...

But the thing about zone is that it can hide physical limitations. I would have nightmares about seeing him guard Wall, Bledsoe, etc. one-on-one, though I guess part of the reason Bruce had them play zone is that nobody can guard Wall, Bledsoe, etc. one-on-one. I really want to get on the McB43 bandwagon, but until he can consistently produce the “43” part, his ceiling is limited.

by VolnVA on Feb 15, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Good bullet points

btw I think Calipari has so many because forever he was on Twitters recommended follow list.

by golfballs03 on Feb 15, 2010 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

Also...

He was in the news for getting in trouble (secondary violation, maybe?) for an inappropriate post on Twitter, wasn’t he?

All of that plus the fact that Kentucky has a lot more bandwagon fans than Tennessee.

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by birdjam on Feb 15, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Random thought:

Does UT have the strangest schedule ever this year as far as playing high profile opponents. Our record against the top 25 is 1-4. Given that we only have one more game against a top 25 team, it may seem that the home game against UK is a bit of a must win in order to give us a decent resume for a top 6 seed (personally, I think a 4 is quite likely even if we lose to UK, provided we win the other games).

However, if you look at the schedule a little more closely, you’ll see that we’ve played three teams ranked in the top 5 and only one team ranked between 6-25. And it might get even stranger. Consider this plausible scenario: we finish SECE3 and beat LSU and SECW2 (Arkansas?) in the first two rounds of the SECT. Meanwhile, Kentucky finishes SECE1 and beats SECW4 (Alabama?) before beating us in the semis. In such a scenario, we would finish the season/SECT having played two games against teams ranked 6-25 and FIVE games against teams ranked in the top 5. Kansas is nice, but under that situation, 2-5 (2-3 against top 5) would look a lot better than 1-6 (1-4).

Game at a time and all that, let’s go thrash Georgia. But I was just looking ahead, and this schedule is quite quirky.

by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 15, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

ESPN's new Bracketology has us as a 6 seed

They give us an 85% chance to make the tournament – essentially saying a complete collapse is all that would prevent us from going. They do mention a “brutal” back end to our SEC schedule.

by golfballs03 on Feb 15, 2010 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

Considering We

have our 2 toughest SEC games out of the way, I think a 6 seed is about right for our current resume, but I think we have a good shot to improve our resume before the season is over. A 4-2 finish would get us to 22-10 overall, then if we are E3 in the SECT I am going to assume we beat W6 (LSU) and just for argument’s sake lets say we beat W2 in the quarterfinals (probably Ole Miss, Miss State, or Arkansas), then lose in the semis. That would put us at 24-11 going into the NCAA tourney. I think 24 wins, plus the victory over Kansas and 1 point loss to Purdue would get us a 4-5 seed. Now it all could vary based on who we beat, beating UK in there somewhere would look a lot better than a win over Arkansas or South Carolina, but I think we are in pretty good shape for a decent seed.

Like Incipient said though, we need to take it one game at a time. A loss to Georgia on Wednesday would throw a wrench in all our plans. It’s just fun to speculate, and play Bracketologist.

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by cubvol on Feb 15, 2010 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

Actually, our record would be better than that

Under your scenario, we finish 12-7 in the SEC for an overall record of 24-9. Also, given that we would play Kentucky in the tournament semis (unless they somehow lose the E1 spot or lose to Alabama in the quarters), we would either be:

24-9 with 1 win over a top 5 team and 4 of the 9 losses to top 5 teams. OR
24-9 with 2 wins over a top 5 team and 3 of the 9 losses to top 5 teams.

Maybe I’m biased, but I feel like that resume should be enough for a 4 seed, although it may only get us a 5. It would actually be quite similar to the 2006-07 season (in which we got the best 5 seed), in which we went 22-10 (10-6 in conference play) and had a win over the #1 team. I think that team would’ve been a 4 had they not flamed out in the first round of the SECT against a bad LSU team.

by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 15, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

24-9 isn't going to get a 4 seed, even with 3-4 easily forgivable losses.

With that record, I’d expect a 6 at best and likely a 7 (although FWIW, fan perception hasn’t been close to seeding from what I can tell, and that cuts both ways the last few years). 5 would be nice; it’s also coincidentally the last time I felt fans were also in line with the selection committee. Honestly, I’d almost want a 6 instead, as it’d be perceived by the team as a small slight and I think they’re more likely to get up to play a potential 3 seed (likely top-10 type team) than a 4 based on how they’ve played so far.

The best thing to happen to our at-large and seeding chances from here on out is a 5-1 finish, even with that 1 being a loss to Kentucky. Road wins over bubble-ish teams like Florida, South Carolina, and Mississippi State will do wonders to boost our profile.

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by Chris Pendley on Feb 15, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

A 6 or 7? You, my friend, are being overly pessimistic.

We don’t even have anyone predicting a seven right now, and this is after two straight losses. I mentioned that a record slightly worse than that (22-10) three years ago and we got the top 5 seed. So that seems like the expected value in the event that it happens again. A 5 is more likely than a 4 in that event, but I don’t think a 4 is out of the question, not with a schedule that includes 5 games against top 5 teams. The only thing that could doom us there is leftover anti-SEC stuff from last year, but with our win over Kansas and Kentucky’s top 5 ranking, I don’t think that’s likely.

25-8 is my goal for this team, and as you said, that’d give us three road wins over bubble teams (or 2-1 plus a home win over #2 Kentucky), and I definitely think that’d bump us up to the 4 line.

by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 15, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm really concerned about the lack of signature road / neutral wins right now.

We’re 5-5 on the road / neutral with the best win of that group being either a Memphis team not being considered for an at-large right now or at Alabama against road losses to Georgia and USC (which aren’t bad, but are games we should win). For seeding purposes, I do agree that a 7 was a bit overly pessimistic, but I think that we need to pull out at least two road wins to feel good about a 5. Win ‘em all and even I’d feel good about a 5. ;)

(And I do have some fear we’re going to be beaten down like what happened last season, with no rational basis for such.)

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by Chris Pendley on Feb 15, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, ex hypothesi, we'd have two decent road wins

To get to 24-9, we’d need either a home win over Kentucky or road wins over at least two of: South Carolina, Florida, Mississippi State, plus two neutral site wins in the SECT (although one would be over LSU). I also have some residual scare based on last year, but I think a 24-9 record gets us a 5, and a 25-8 record gets us a 4, with a chance at a 3 if one of those wins comes over Kentucky.

Season ending today, I couldn’t complain much about a 6, although I consider UT a top 20 team (and hence worthy of at least a low 5).

by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 15, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd almost take the 3-0 in road wins over the Kentucky win.

We already have a marquee win over a dominant team; two home wins over marquee teams would be nice but I’d much rather blast three teams on the road since that’s something our resume doesn’t have yet. I imagine I’m in the minority on that.

And yes, at 24-9 that does include road wins (and if I have to pick, Florida and MSU).

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by Chris Pendley on Feb 15, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah my bad

messed up the math there.

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by cubvol on Feb 15, 2010 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

just another note

In the media’s mock bracket they made last weekend they had us as a 6 seed in Syracuse’s region. Seth Davis said we were vastly under-seeded, and predicted us to make the regional final in that bracket. Obviously we are a long way out, but I was a little surprised that someone of his knowledge though we are capable of making the Elite Eight. It will be an interesting next month or so.

It's simple Cubs in the spring and summer, Vols in the fall and winter.

by cubvol on Feb 15, 2010 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

I've actually seen us projected as high as a 3 seed

There’s a lot of muddle this year once you get outside the top 5. With a 3 seed, the Elite Eight would obviously not be out of the question. Wherever we end up, I think that anybody seeded 2-6 will almost certainly be capable of the Elite Eight in whatever region they’re in. Hopefully, we get a good seed an make an Elite Eight run. Obviously, that’d make this season wildly successful. I’d settle for a Sweet Sixteen, but this team could go farther given a run of good form (after all that 2006-07 team that I compared us to was one point away). Before that go, let’s win some more games in the regular season and try to get 10+ conference wins.

Also, no worries on the math. Easy mistake.

by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 15, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Pearl said last year

that he thought we were still being punished for getting a 2 seed in ‘06 and getting bumped in the second round. We were too high then and too low last year…I think it’ll balance out more nicely now.

I think there’s a chance we may not lose again (in the regular season). Feels like this team is right on the cusp of its best basketball. I say that just to point out that everything from a 2 seed to being left out of the tournament is still on the table…which is why speculation is so much fun.

by Will Shelton on Feb 15, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Bruce

on the seeding thing. That kind of makes sense, since we were vastly over-seeded in 2006. I think the most likely best case scenario would be this: 5-1 to end the regular season, beating UK, but losing one of the road games. Then make the semis of the SECT, and playing UK again. I think playing UK 3 times, beating them once and losing close twice would really look good for our seeding. Though I will say from a selfish point of view I really want another shot at Vanderbilt, that would mean making it all the way to the finals of the SECT or falling to 4th in the east and possibly playing them in the other semifinal opposite Kentucky.

Just another hypothetical, I can only imagine what the atmosphere would be like for a potential Tennessee-Kentucky semifinal game in the SECT, especially if we beat them in Knoxville. It would be a rubber match for the season series, and the Sommet Center would be rocking. There are a lot of UK fans here in Nashville, and the thought of a split crowd, top 15 showdown here in Nashville would be extremely cool, and a dream scenario for scalpers. Obviously still a long way out, but I would venture and say that would be the biggest atmosphere for an SECT game since in least back in the mid 2000s when Kentucky and Florida met in a few Finals when Donovan and Tubby Smith were going at it. That would be really fun.

It's simple Cubs in the spring and summer, Vols in the fall and winter.

by cubvol on Feb 15, 2010 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

The tournament in Nashville is a tough ticket

and is a much better venue than the cavernous Georgia Dome. The last time we played Kentucky in the SECT was Buzz Peterson’s last game, and since we’ve only recently reappeared on Saturday and Sunday in the tournament, it’s been forever since we played each other in a meaningful tournament game. Would love to see it…and yes, would love another crack at Vanderbilt too.

by Will Shelton on Feb 15, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Granted I haven't been to a lot of basketball venues...

… but the Georgia Dome is the worst place I have ever seen a basketball game. Just a terrible venue for the SEC tourney.

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by birdjam on Feb 16, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

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