Volunteers out to make Seth Davis a liar
Well. At 30 frames per second, the first ten seconds or so of this is worth 30,000 words:
That was the scene yesterday when the Vols learned they weren't a three seed. Or a four. Or even a five, but a six. To add insult to insult, CBS's Seth Davis blurted out almost immediately that Tennessee's opponent -- 11th seed San Diego State -- was his "upset special."
The collective mood of the players? Not happy:
"Seth Davis has me a little upset right now," Hopson said. "I think he just gave us enough attitude to go out there and take this whole tourney."
Maze said the Vols aim to prove precisely why he's never "talked negatively" about an opponent.
"It's not smart to give people fuel, and (Davis) just gave us that," Maze said. "Clearly, on national television, they just said we were going to be the biggest first-round upset. That comment, I was rather disappointed in that. But you know what? That was just more ammunition and more fuel for us, as far as I'm concerned. I'm fired up, man. We're all even more fired up now. I'm about to go get in some extra shots in the gym right now because of this.
"I've never been more focused, more dedicated and more ready to play than I am right now. Come Thursday, I'll be as ready as I've ever been to play a basketball game."
Even Mike Hamilton sounded a bit miffed, telling the Selection Sunday gathering, "Let's go make Seth Davis a liar."
Pearl, too, seemed a bit rattled in that he said that the seed "was a little higher than we expected" when he obviously meant "lower," but he's at least out front in wrestling his emotions into a manageable place:
"(Davis) has probably seen them play, and I tell you, they're a good team," Pearl said. "I know they're a big team, a really good offensive team and a really good rebounding. But we'll spend tonight getting ready for them, and I'll tell you more about them tomorrow.
"But I know they play in a really good league, and I know they're playing really good basketball down the stretch, and it'll be a good matchup."
Perhaps Pearl's just proving yet again that he's more knowledgeable than the rest of us. After all, he said before the Kentucky game that fatigue was going to be a factor:
"The trainers told me we wouldn't have a problem the second game....tomorrow will be tougher, the third game in three days,'' Pearl said after Friday's win over Ole Miss. "I'll remind them of Gate 10 at the football stadium, which we ran early in the mornings, and how we ran it for games like tomorrow's.''
Like the seeding, Pearl knew his team was up against it, yet there was little he could do about it. He had to be disappointed that we Vol fans didn't do our part, allowing Kentucky fans to make up an estimated 90% of the crowd in our own state and allowing those 17,000 Wildcat fans to drown out Rocky Top every time the band played.
If it's any consolation, Tennessee's seed was not the only wacky in this year's bracket:
If the NCAA uses the serpentine system as it says, where the strongest No. 1 is matched with the weakest No. 2 while the weakest No. 1 gets the strongest No. 2, shouldn't Kansas have drawn Villanova and Duke been paired with West Virginia?
Instead, the Dookies just may have the easiest road to the Final Four while either Kansas or Kentucky -- supposedly the top two No. 1s -- appear to have the toughest draws out of the Midwest and East regionals.
The Jayhawks draw Ohio State for a second seed and Georgetown for a third while UK must battle second-seeded West Virginia and fourth-seeded Wisconsin. And that's only if Big Blue escapes former No. 1 Texas, which was given an eighth seed in the East.
There's also the not-so-little matter of geography, which Guerrero's committee evidently never took in school. How else to explain San Diego State being shipped to Providence, R.I., to play Tennessee when there were Left Coast first-round sites at San Jose, Calif., and Spokane, Wash.?
Just as inconceivable, Maryland must travel to Spokane and Gonzaga to Buffalo. Then there are first-round foes Murray State (Ky.) and Vanderbilt -- whose campuses are roughly 80 miles apart -- playing in San Jose instead of Oklahoma City, New Orleans or Jacksonville.
It's not any consolation? That's what I thought. But the team's got to get past both the Kentucky beat down and the seeding disappointment if its going to prove Seth Davis wrong.
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Seth Davis is and has been an idiot for years
Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.
My brother works at CBS College Sports in New York during March Madness
He says Seth Davis is . . . exactly as you imagine he is.
by goodnight_vol on Mar 15, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Pat Forde is an even bigger idiot than Seth Davis
Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.
Doug Gottlieb said this morning
we should’ve been seeded worse than 6. I think everyone has defaulted to our last performance.
Not even the last performance
The last 9 minutes of the last performance. Although to be fair to Gottlieb, he’s pooped on us all season.
by goodnight_vol on Mar 15, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Gottlieb's been chugging Haterade since the Tyler Smith arrest.
At this point, nobody should be surprised by this.
Simulated Gameday Experience - just like the real thing, only we have smoke machines.
As longer as he stays away from Hooters and Bobby Cox's wife........
Too far?
"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan
I would, but AOL runs my internet just like they do the Braves
Very slow and poorly funded……….
"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan
by VolBrian on Mar 15, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Naw, but it fit nicely with the Braves meme...
I mean seriously, the similarities are astounding.
Very slow
Lots of glitches (errors)
Every trailer park in North Georgia is rife with it
AOL Time Warner really knows how to put their stamp on things don’t they?
"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan
No....
Just terribly unoriginal….can’t you come up with anything better than that?
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
I don't know if this was covered in the live thread.
As my CPU usually jams up a little with the 400+ comment posts, but I place a lot of blame for this right on Mike Slive’s plywood desk.
Not just for Tennessee by any means. I think the much larger shafting in this whole deal is Miss State being left out.
As commissioner of the most prominent, most successful athletic conference in the nation, you have got to step up for your teams.
There is no reason the conference as a whole should be shown disrespect year after year in basketball simply because of our football success and Slive needs to get off his butt and earn his paycheck in March just as much as January
"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan
But you did notice that lackluster Florida
got in with a 10 seed. Slive stepped up….for the wrong team.
i anticipated this bracket scenario all along
and moved to providence at the end of january. now that’s commitment. here’s at least one orange shirt that will be in the building.
The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.
wow
please bring friends—preferably large friends to increase orange square footage
by goodnight_vol on Mar 15, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
i think your orange kitty ate my orange kitty
by goodnight_vol on Mar 15, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I love orange kitties!
Hence, my profile pic…
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Sadly
My beloved orange fuzzball died over Christmas. I’m on the hunt for a new Rocky Top kitty to go with my tabby, who doesn’t watch basketball.
by goodnight_vol on Mar 15, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I know someone...
who I think still has a cutie available
The one on the top…

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Although...
they really have a little too much white…
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
None with a black jersey?
That’s a bucket of cute right there.
by goodnight_vol on Mar 15, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
If I can find affordable tickets, I'll be right there with you
Although the cab ride back to the suburbs west of boston will be hellacious.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
stub hub has cheap seats for the 2 thursday night games
(gtown ohio, then UT sdsu) for under a hundred. im wondering about trying to scalp a ticket just for the UT game for less, maybe catch a gtown or ohio fan on their way out or something. anyone with NCAA tourney experience wanna evaluate the feasibility of that kind of scheme?
The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.
Wow, that's not back
Especially not when I’m looking at retail for $210 (although I guess that does cover six games). And I have no idea about the feasibility of that scheme. I’d like to try it, but I don’t know about traveling all the way down there with no ticket in hand.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Saturday tickets start at $130
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
i bet you can.
they go on sale at noon:
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Don’t miss your chance to see the Vols compete in the NCAA Tournament!
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by golfballs03 on Mar 15, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Feasibility of public transit?
Just saying, probably worth the inconvenience.
Simulated Gameday Experience - just like the real thing, only we have smoke machines.
Public transit closes at midnight
The cabs have a monopoly after that.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
you can use the commuter rail to get down
but the last train from providence back to boston is 9:45
The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.
The UT Alumni association in Boston
Is trying to charter a bus or some sort. The trick is that it’ll take us back to Boston, not to Waltham. And the commuter rails will be closed.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
"Motivation"
It has always puzzled me how players are expected to try harder because someone (opponent, opponent’s coach, Seth Davis, etc.) said something to “disrespect” them.
“Seth Davis has me a little upset right now,” Hopson said. “I think he just gave us enough attitude to go out there and take this whole tourney.”
Oh really, Scotty? Now you guys are going to try to win it all? I’m glad Seth said it if that’s what it took.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
More from Maze
“It’s not smart to give people fuel, and (Davis) just gave us that,” Maze said. “Clearly, on national television, they just said we were going to be the biggest first-round upset. That comment, I was rather disappointed in that. But you know what? That was just more ammunition and more fuel for us, as far as I’m concerned. I’m fired up, man. We’re all even more fired up now. I’m about to go get in some extra shots in the gym right now because of this.”
“[B]ecause of this”? Seriously? Not because the NCAA tournament is this week, but because Seth Davis said something stupid on national TV?
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Seriously
These kids should know better than to say the first thing that comes to mind. Somebody get them a teleprompter……..
"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan
I hear you, but it's not just limited to this...
… we hear this kind of stuff all the time. I remember in football back in the mid-90s when UT and Florida were getting ready to play and apparently some of our players were mouthing off about beating the Gators. The press ate it up and everyone was talking about how that wasn’t a good idea because it would “motivate” the Gators. I remember thinking that if it took our players talking trash to motivate the Gators, then they weren’t that good to begin with – their players should be wanting to beat us as badly as possible without extra motivation.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Just don't pay any attention
Try to remember that even the seniors are only 22 at best. I don’t even remember where I lived at 22. Here you’ve got a situation where their confidence and team has just taken a beating seed-wise, then this moron says they’ll be the first upset of the tourney. A reporter sticks a microphone in their face and I’m suprised they even sounded this good. I would’ve have probably said something more along the lines of “eff Seth Davis and he better hope I don’t see him out at the club”.
If Bruce Pearl starts talking like the above, then we have an issue.
"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan
I remember where I was at 22
Huddled up in bed while it rained like crazy outside, waiting until noon when UT made tickets for the SDSU game in Providence open to the public.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Really....
I think they show pretty good composure for their age.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
I don't think it gives them extra motivation
it just makes them more vocal about it
by golfballs03 on Mar 15, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Scotty Hopson needs to play basketball
and leave the soundbites to the coaches. He’s been a major disappointment at times and is definitely not playing to his potential. He is a great talent; I just hope it shows on Thursday.
this low 6 seed balances out that high 2 we got a couple years ago
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
That was FOUR years ago
And didn’t the last two years do any balancing?
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
We didn't ask for that 2, by the way
Just saw that Jeff Goodman thinks the Midwest bracket is the easiest. I had quit reading FoxSports and I’m not sure why I thought today would be a good time to go back.
by goodnight_vol on Mar 15, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
SEC tourney crowd
He had to be disappointed that we Vol fans didn’t do our part, allowing Kentucky fans to make up an estimated 90% of the crowd in our own state and allowing those 17,000 Wildcat fans to drown out Rocky Top every time the band played.
True, but at least we will get to keep our trailers, unlike UK fans.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
It really bothers me ....
to keep hearing this. I tried to buy the flipping tickets months ago, and the price was already driven up. I don’t think it’s so much our fans are so bad, there’s just so many of those jokers up there that apparently have nothing else to live for.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Well, we know they have a rabid fanbase...
… and I would imagine that a number of the fans in Nashville this weekend were making this their big basketball trip knowing it was a short drive away and they probably couldn’t afford to go the regionals and/or Final Four.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
If we win on Thursday I'm definitely making the trip to Providence for Saturday.
I haven’t missed an NCAA tournament since Bruce has been here, and I’m not banking on an opportunity to see them play in (closer-by) St Louis. They need all the support they can get this year!
They might want to make Davis a liar,
but I’d be happy if they’d simply make themselves a team. A six seed is certainly low, but they’ve been so frightfully inconsistent recently that it’s hard to feel too bad for them.
I should clarify a bit:
The selection committee screwed this one up. But the Vols did themselves absolutely no favors with their occasionally flippant demeanor in front of cameras. Things like the ‘just Senior night’ bit and the way they appeared to be more concerned about style points in a few games gave the committee some negatives to focus on.
Like the NFL’s draft scouts, the committee members are at their core just a bunch of white-collar bureaucrats who are looking for reasons they can downplay a selectee. If Tennessee loses early, they’ll point at games like that last UK game and claim they were right. If UT does well, they’ll point to those very same games and claim that they couldn’t trust UT to bring a solid game.
Upside is not the issue with these kinds of selections. They’re looking for reasons to bury you, and UT gave them those. Honestly, it’s easier to predict these brackets if you ignore the best efforts from teams and look at which ones had the most glaring gaffes.
this is how i feel
our season as a whole is definitely a 4 seed at worst. but if you weight it for recent play, im not sure i can argue too much.
The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.
But, but, but
We’re 5-1 in our last six and 7-2 in our last nine. This includes wins over BOTH SEC Championship participants. If you weight it for the last nine minutes of play, it looks ugly, but our recent play is just as good or better than all of the 4 and 5 seeds (except for Temple, who should’ve been a 3).
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i know people disagree with my reasoning
no need to dig it back up. i have just seen a lot of long stretches of lackluster play as of late. i guess it’s my own “eye test”. i am as proud of this bunch as any pearl bunch for what they have fought through. i just feel like it’s all catching up with us at this point. doesn’t mean i won’t be screaming my head off at the dunk on thursday. maybe the 6 seed & the blowout will be the collective kick in the pants they need to get catch their 22nd wind.
as ridiculous as it may be, i bet if we had simply split with vandy we would be a 3. but they put vandy (fairly, imo)@ 4 and saw their sweep by 28 total points and decided they had to slot us significantly lower.
The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.
I just think you're giving them too much credit
for actually looking at meaningful bits of our season. I think someone barked the Kentucky final score into the room and that was that.
by goodnight_vol on Mar 15, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's where I get upset:
When commentators say things like, “The Selection Committee rewards teams that schedule tough out of conference games.” Clearly, our great RPI and tough schedule (albeit, one that was hurt by a weaker-than-average Memphis team), did us no justice this year.
So Sayth King Zach I
by kingofzachland on Mar 15, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're right about Vandy
If we’d beaten them at home, a 3 would’ve been well within reach. Possibly expected. And I think that you may have a point with the eye test, at least against LSU and parts of the Kentucky game. I missed the first half against Ole Miss (class), but the second half was excellent Tennessee basketball. I was just commenting on how if it is weighted for recent play, our record looks pretty darn impressive. 7-2 with the only losses to the #2 overall team (at a neutral site) and a tourney team on the road. That includes two double digit road/neutral wins over desperate bubble teams and one home win over the #2 overall team. Looking at it on paper, I don’t think you’ll find many “recent play” resumes to match that among 4/5 seeds.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
on paper, yeah
but the selection committee clearly wasn’t going by that, even though they should have. i also think the blow out on a neutral floor pretty much negated whatever credit we got for beating UK.
The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.
Then we're agreed
I thought at the time and still think that Bruce shouldn’t have played the walkons once the game was out of hand. Keep the starters in, see if they can cut the deficit to 15, and perception isn’t out of hand.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It also would have been nice...
if Calipari wasn’t trying to up the score by having his team shoot 3’s while up by 20+.
What am I thinking? Nice and Calipari don’t belong in the same sentence.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
I think the process is incredibly flawed
either the guys on the committee don’t watch enough basketball, and are only associating Tennessee with Tyler Smith and the last thing they saw…or you can buy into the sort of massive conspiracy theory ideas that are floating around this morning. I’d be more inclined to lean towards the first option – we need a solid balance of guys who watch a ton of basketball and also have playing/coaching/administrating experience.
But there’s nothing more flawed than the BCS. We’re in. That’s all that matters now.
absolutely agree...
That’s why I have come to hate Selection Sunday.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
UT is selling tickets for Thurs/Sat for $153
They give you a $75 refund if we lose on Thursday. I’m out $153, but I have two tickets.
Call 800-332-VOLS (8657) for those in the area looking to buy.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions
I have no idea
I just asked for tickets to the game, they told me that they were $75 each but only sold as a package, and I said “okay, I’ll take that.” I’ll be picking them up at will call. But I bought them through the school, so I’m assuming they’re in the UT section.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, they will be
there is typically lower level ut seats and upper level ut seats. obviously they fill up from the bottom up. i’m guessing they haven’t sold as many as in the past. i got donor seats for the birmingham games a couple years ago and was in the upper deck, so last year i decided to scalp and got some lower-levels. obviously Birmingham would be an easier sell than Providence… so it really depends.
I've been too (Fulmerized Fulmerized Fulmerized) to post
But we totally got (Fulmerized) yesterday. I really wonder what would have happened if we had lost a close game to Ole Miss on Friday instead of getting blown out on Saturday?
So Sayth King Zach I
by kingofzachland on Mar 15, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions
Considering this committee
We might have been out of the tourney all-together.
Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!
by bobo_the_vol on Mar 15, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, I would love to go...
but including the ticket, I think the cheapest I could get a flight there and back, plus a cheap room, plus probably a car, plus parking, food, etc…I’m looking at minimum of probably $800. Which is not that bad, except I don’t have it. :-(
Maybe some rich Tennessee booster will read this and “VOLUNTEER” to pay my way!!
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
I'll give you a bed in Boston if you'll split the cab fare coming back
Somehow, that’s probably not enough to get the job done.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably not..
but I really appreciate the offer!
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Put another one in the SDSU column
This time it’s Andy Katz:
San Diego State is my favorite double-digit seed in this group. As a No. 11 seed, the Aztecs play in Providence against No. 6 Tennessee, a team that is hardly playing its best basketball right now. The Aztecs have proven to be road tough under Steve Fisher this season, winning the Mountain West Conference tournament with wins over New Mexico and host UNLV in Las Vegas. SDSU has a rebounder in Kawhi Leonard who could challenge Wayne Chism at every step.
he then goes on to say that Tennessee has either maxed out with wins vs. Kansas and Kentucky or they could be everyon’e “upset pick” over SDSU. Upset???? A 6 over an 11 is an upset? A 3.5 point favorite that wins is considered an upset??? Wow!
San Diego's Perspective
The reason you see SDSU as a sleeper is because the Aztecs got jacked on their seeding. They are really a number 9 seed. So it’s really a No. 6 seed that is coming off a terrible loss to Kentucky and probably not playing their best ball against a No. 11 (that is really a No. 9) that is playing their best ball.
SDSU is basically an entirely new team of players this year. They had some rough losses early as they learned to play together. They are now playing their best hoops. They ran the Mountain West Conference tourney by going through New Mexico (ranked 8 in the nation – 2nd win over NM) and a UNLV team that was in the top 25 for a lot of the season on UNLVs home court to win the conference tourney.
So we beat New Mexico (No. 8) twice and UNLV twice and still after those performances, SDSU gets put in the 11 spot while UNLV get’s a No. 8 spot. I don’t understand that at all.
It boils down to everyone giving SDSU the respect they deserve except the selection committee.
But we got jacked on seeding too
It’s been said that we were jacked more than anyone else in the tourney. So it’s really a 4 seed vs. a 9 seed. Shouldn’t that be a Sweet Sixteen game?
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Great minds think alike
He posted this same thing at the bottom and I had the same answer!
Official MCM Hater!
Fire Jeff Fisher.
New Mexico is overrated. Their best win of the year was against BYU
and they only won that because Jimmer Fredette was out. Texas A&M is a decent win, but they aren’t even close to the 8th best team in the country. Marquette will beat them in the 2nd round.
I'm in complete awe at the lack of respect that Tennessee is getting
Am i really that much of a homer? I know we aren’t an elite team by any stretch of the imagination, but just last week Bob Knight was saying that we were the most dangerous team in the tournament. I’d like to think that beating San Diego State wouldn’t be an upset as Katz has declared.
Mike DeCourcy
at least has us getting out of the first round.
I think that every year, because we don’t have a long basketball pedigree, it’s the easy pick to say we’ll fold in the tourney. Because we always have, in a manner of speaking, never having reached the Elite 8 (although the bulk of that sad record has nothing to do with the current team). But at some level, awarding us a lower seed than we deserve every year based on our lack of previous tournament wins (but for the famous and bizarre 2) becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
by goodnight_vol on Mar 15, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
EXACTLY!
Eventually, we’re going to have to pull some upsets in the tournament, or we’ll never get any respect. If we play to our seed level, they’ll just keep seeding us there, even though a team that should’ve gotten a 4 wouldn’t be expected to beat a 3 in the second round. Heaven forbid we’re the 6/11 upset this year.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't even think then...
we would get any respect. That would just be “proof” of our “inconsistency”. That’s another one I love. We’re 25-8, but we’re just too darned inconsistent.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
national sports media is an echo chamber
once one guy said it, it became conventional wisdom.
(apologies for yesterday, btw)
The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.
Thanks. me too
I’d like to think that I have a pretty good perspective of our team, and even though they don’t necessarily pass the eye test, I think they are scrappy yet still talented, and find ways to win. Not many of our wins this year have been shinging examples of pretty basketball. But apparently, by the reaction of the national media, it’s not just scrappy basketball, it’s terrible basketball. I am anxious and nervous about this game on Thursday now, not only because I think SDSU is a decent team playing really well right now, but because all these experts think Tennessee is “junk art”. We all know how often these “experts” are right. BUT a billion Chinese can’t all be wrong, can they?
your wrong assumption
is that all these talking heads have independently formed this opinion. it’s an echo chamber, pure and simple. one guy says it right out of the gate with some conviction and combine that with a headline grabbing blow out, and suddenly it’s the trendy call.
the only thing left for our boys to do is win.
i honestly feel better about their chances today than i did yesterday. nothing gets a bruce pearl team fired up like being the underdog. i don’t know why that is, but i’ve seen it enough to declare it fact.
The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.
Here's the thing about our inconsistency
I can’t figure it out. Several of our losses were inexplicably blowouts, though some were end-of-game margins rather than 40-minute domination. I do know this: it’s not because we’re lazy, or don’t want it, or any of the other dipfulmer junk I hear from so-called fans. And I don’t think our losses were so much worse than the losses other Top 25 teams suffered—just puzzling.
So what is the problem, exactly? I haven’t gone back and looked at the stats, but my guess would be the depleted post without Negedu and Tyler. Could it be that in games where they call lots of ticky-tack fouls in the post we lose steam by the end of the game? Now having typed that, I don’t think that’s right.
right on
in comparison to other teams, what stands out about tennessee that we are the target of such hate? There are higher seeded teams that have just as many issues.
Objectively
I think we are more deserving of a 4 seed than Purdue, Maryland and Wisconsin. I thought 5 seed was the absolute worst we would do, but I was clearly wrong. Is it just me, or did the Committee just completely ignore the RPI rankings?
So Sayth King Zach I
by kingofzachland on Mar 15, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
they did
I believe that guy from UCLA came right out and said they didn’t consider it. Even though in years past they claimed to have relied heavily on the RPI. Like Pearl said, it’s a “moving target”. You never know what they are looking for.
And how many other teams haven't made the Elite Eight in the last four years?
A bunch, I’m thinking.
by goodnight_vol on Mar 15, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Every story needs a villian...
and apparently we are it. Could the Kiffin hate still be lingering, even though we are a bigger victim of him than anyone?
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
They don't hate Kiffin anymore
They hate that we hate him.
by goodnight_vol on Mar 15, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
the one consistent thread in the losses
is jp prince. with the exception of the road vandy loss (maybe his best game of the season), he was a no show in all of the losses. in the first UK loss, he had a pretty stat line, but he also had 6 turnovers.
The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.
That's a bummer
Hate to lay it at the feet of one guy.
by goodnight_vol on Mar 15, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
the impression is that Tennessee gets up for big games, but will lose minor ones
just like JP, who will play his best in big games, but in others it like he’s in outer space. I’m wouldn’t say that this team goes as JP does, but I understand when your comparison
Absolutely great article here:
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/3/15/1373969/ncaa-tournament-2010-bracket-selection-committee
Read it. Then print it and mail it to every member of the stupid committee.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Thanks!
This is the best part:
Any of the top six [Midwest] seeds would be threats to win Duke’s bracket, and together they’ve got more NCAA Tournament experience than any other region in the field. By a lot. If you had to pick the handful of middle seed capable of deep tourney runs, the Midwest bracket is practically the entire list, while the the rest of the field is littered with stumbling teams like Vanderbilt, Villanova, Pittsburgh, and Purdue. It flies in the face of any and all logic.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
shhhh.....
Don’t tell them!
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Comments by Da Bruce, btw
Per Rucker’s twitter:
If we hadn’t played LSU, we would’ve had a 5 seed. We should’ve had a bye.
We’re adding another marquee (although Rucker said marquis) game for next year because so many teams were just one big game from making the tournament.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 3:35 PM EDT reply actions
Why SDSU?
The reason you see SDSU as a sleeper is because the Aztecs got jacked on their seeding. They are really a number 9 seed. So the match up is really a No. 6 seed that is coming off a terrible loss to Kentucky and probably not playing their best ball against a No. 11 (that is really a No. 9) and playing their best ball.
SDSU is basically an entirely new team of players this year. They had some rough losses early as they learned to play together. They are now playing their best hoops. They ran the Mountain West Conference tourney by going through New Mexico (ranked 8 in the nation – 2nd win over NM) and a UNLV team that was in the top 25 for part of the season on UNLVs home court to win the conference tourney.
So we beat New Mexico (No. 8) twice and UNLV twice and still after those performances, SDSU gets put in the 11 spot while UNLV get’s a No. 8 spot. I don’t understand that at all.
It boils down to everyone giving SDSU the respect they deserve except the selection committee.
Should be a good game!
So this game is really a 4 vs a 9?
No comment...
…should have been Fisher’s response when asked questions about what he knew about the Vols right on the heels of the draw. Look – most of San Diego don’t care about college hoops. Fisher needs to give the local fish wrap something that makes him sound like a coach.
He is a good coach and he’ll get up to speed and have his team ready.
So in our pod
We have an 11 that should be a 9, a 6 that should be a 4, and a 3 that should be a 2. Ouch.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
And whoever makes it to the Sweet Sixteen
Has to worry about a 2 that was getting some talk as a 1.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Tough Region
It’s a tough Region and a terrible one for mid-major teams like UNLV and SDSU. Although, I guess I’d rather upset the Vols and get Gtown than run into Kansas in the 2nd. Plus, I think we have to travel further than any team in the Tourney. San Diego to Rhode Island! Are you kidding!
It's terrible for everyone
Y’all shouldn’t be going against a top 15 team who’s won 7 of its last 9 (including a win over Kentucky). If Georgetown wins and we win, they shouldn’t have to face us either.
We shouldn’t be facing you, and should we win, we shouldn’t be going against the team that just went to the Big East final. Should favorites win out, Ohio State shouldn’t be facing them in the Sweet Sixteen.
And whoever comes out of this side of the bracket is going to have to deal with the best team in the land. And the best team in the land will have to deal with them.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
We're not disrespecting SDSU...
that’s just the point. We know you are good; we feel like we should get to play someone easier.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
SDSU has an 18 RPI
But as previously mentioned, the Selection Committee used the RPI ranking as toilet paper this year.
So Sayth King Zach I
by kingofzachland on Mar 15, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
CBS ran an article on the historical features of a team ripe to be upset
Two top seeds meet the criteria, as do
Two two seeds
Four three seeds
I know you don’t have to guess, but the only region to have three top three seeds ripe for an upset? The South. The seven, btw, are Syracuse (too frontcourt-reliant), Duke (poor shooting), Nova (losing streak), WVU (poor shooting), G-town, Baylor, and New Mexico (not in last year’s tourney), and Pitt (road record of .500 or worse).
Also interestingly, none of the six seeds show the historical vulnerabilities. Maybe I was right yesterday when I said that I wouldn’t be surprised if three of the six seeds made the Sweet Sixteen. I’m picking two of them.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
Oooh. Me likey.
Do you have a link by any chance?
by goodnight_vol on Mar 15, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is what I don't get
How are we not playing good basketball right now? We won five in a row leading up to a loss to the No. 2 team in the nation in our third game in as many days, 19 hours after we played the day before. That makes us 5-1 over the last six. Not playing our best basketball? From a consistency standpoint, we’re absolutely playing our best basketball right now.
Apparently it’s not just the Selection Committee that doesn’t watch any actual basketball, it’s the national talking heads, as well. I would think we would have to play more than nine minutes of bad basketball to labeled as “not playing your best basketball at the right time.”
Really, at this point, I hope this keeps up. If we play the way we’re capable of, we’re not losing this game, and the chances that we will play that way have gone up exponentially with all of this BS the last couple of days. This is starting to remind me of the lead-up to that Long Beach State beatdown. (Note: I am aware San Diego State is better than Long Beach State was.)
This is reminding me very much of that tournament
We finished third in the SEC behind an NCAAT #1 seed.
We played very well down the stretch, but we lost an ugly one in the SEC Tournament (to LSU, who finished last in the conference).
We were the popular pick to be upset in the first round by a hot team from SoCal.
Our potential second round matchup was against a team roughly equal in talent (who happened to be near DC).
Our potential Sweet Sixteen matchup was against Ohio State, led by one of the best players in the country.
I’d love to see this tournament work out like that one, except two points better against OSU.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The team didn't approach the season with a win-first, win-always attitude.
You have to train yourself into that kind of mindset, and it’s not easy. It’s a matter of teaching yourself to approach every game as a must-win and putting everything into it that you can. The hard part is not going into cruise control against overmatched teams.
Think back to some of their games against easy teams like LSU in Baton Rouge. Sure, they won the game, but it was a sloppy effort. They didn’t play that one with the same attitude as the Kentucky games during the regular season. There are a few others you can look to and see the ‘relax and have fun’ mindset come out as well.
The problem with that is that, even though they were talented enough to win a few of those games that way, they trained bad habits into their minds. We learn through repetition, and if they had made a conscious effort to bring the same ethic to those easy games as they did against some of the nationally-prominent games, they would have had better mental routines programmed into their heads right now.
That’s why they’re so inconsistent; they don’t have a programmed mindset that can keep them focused from game to game. Sometimes they’ll come in sharp, but sometimes they’ll come in flat. But they don’t have the triggers in their mind to favor the sharp performances when they step out under the lights.
And it’s too late for that to happen now. They have to hope that luck is with them.
I think that's the result of the constantly changing lineups
all talented college teams have games that they aren’t nearly as focused or motivated for as they should be. but when we finally settled on a lineup and had a consistent rotation, we started playing better.
I take it you missed the SEC tourney opener against LSU?
And most of the Ole Miss game?
Wins, sure, but not exactly “our best basketball”.
I agree that we got screwed with our seed. But the last time we really played well was three games ago at Mississippi State.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
To Hooper's point, that's what I'm saying....
…I think we have gotten more consistent in the last several weeks. There is absolutely nobody that comes in with a killer instinct 100 percent of the time. Over the last several weeks, we have been coming in with a consistent focus. The only exception is really the LSU game in the SEC Tournament, and we won. Before that, I can’t remember a game where we didn’t come in focused since the road Vanderbilt game, frankly. Even Florida, we lost more because of Chism’s foul trouble and injury issues (or at least it got ugly because of that). But we certainly showed up for the game.
There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Ole Miss performance whatsoever. I frankly don’t know why people are putting that forth as a lackluster effort. We beat a good team who needed the game more than we did relatively handily, really. Anyone who expected more out of that game needs to adjust their expectation level.
Talking heads lie
But stats don’t. Refer to the CBS article I_S posted above—it takes a losing streak of two games headed into the tourney to significantly prime you for an upset. We don’t have that. We are, all media references to the contrary, playing good basketball right now.
I agree with you, and I don’t buy that sloppy wins, slow wins, non-dominating wins, etc., aren’t wins. We have 25 wins for a reason.
by goodnight_vol on Mar 15, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not convinced
All four of the top seeds in the South can be said to be in trouble based on their play. But somebody has to win the thing. Unless you’re prepared to call Notre Dame, Texas A&M, or Richmond as the champ, you’re going to have to pick between an overrated Duke, a cold ’Nova, an inexperienced Baylor, and a shorthanded Purdue. Tough call, but give me the one who went to the Final Four last year.
by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 15, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, actually, stats do lie a lot
But that doesn’t help my point.
by goodnight_vol on Mar 15, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Andy Katz talked to Steve Fisher and said that he was the most confident of all the coaches he spoke too
thinks they can do some real damage in the tournament
Well gee....
What the heck has that got to do with anything. Delusional people may be confident they can fly, but that doesn’t mean they can.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

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