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Tennessee vs. San Diego State Preview

It seems that among the "experts", you either believe in Tennessee or you don't.  The prevailing thought is that the Vols are ripe for the upset against 11 seed San Diego State in the first round.  But among those who don't share that opinion, I've seen more people pick Tennessee to make the Elite Eight than pick them to bow out to Georgetown.

How good anyone thinks Tennessee is will become irrelevant at around 10:00 PM EST tomorrow night, when the Vols meet the Aztecs and the real game begins.  And it's not blatant disrespect that's causing so many to pick against UT - San Diego State is a good team that we take lightly at our own risk.

What's the best first round matchup, according to the RPI rankings?  It's not even close:

  • 6 Tennessee (14) vs. 11 San Diego State (18):  32
  • 5 Texas A&M (13) vs. 12 Utah State (30):  43
  • 4 Purdue (16) vs. 13 Siena (31):  47
  • 5 Butler (11) vs. 12 UTEP (36):  47
  • 5 Temple (8) vs. 12 Cornell (48):  56
  • 8 California (19) vs. 9 Louisville (37):  56

For a program that's gone to such great lengths to prop up our own RPI and use it as a measuring stick, we'd better take this bunch very, very seriously.

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Who are these guys?

San Diego State is 25-8, 11-5 in the Mountain West Conference.  They finished third in the league behind New Mexico and BYU, but won the MWC Tournament, beating New Mexico in the semis and UNLV in the finals.  This is a program that's now won 20+ games five years in a row - after making their last NCAA Tournament appearance in 2006, they played in three straight NIT Tournaments.  Last season, they missed out on the NCAA Tournament by two points, losing to Utah 52-50 in the MWC Tournament finals, then rebounded to make it to Madison Square Garden before bowing out in the NIT Semifinals.  All of that to say:  this team and these players are used to winning, and know how to do it in tournament play.  On the other hand, this will be the first trip to the Big Dance for all of these players, as the culmination of their success over the past several seasons.

It will not be the first trip to the Big Dance for their head coach:  before Steve Fisher came to SDSU in 1999, he had an incredible run at Michigan.  He won the 1989 NCAA Tournament as an interim head coach, then recruited, signed, and led the Fab Five to the NCAA title game in 1991 and 1992.  Fisher's reputation was tarnished for allowing Ed Martin to have access to the Michigan program, and it was Martin who was later discovered to have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to Michigan student athletes.  Fisher was fired from Michigan in 1997 as a result of the scandal.

At San Diego State, Fisher has transformed a program that suffered through 13 losing seasons in 14 years before his arrival.  Despite their rise as a basketball program, they have never made it out of the first round of the NCAA Tournament.  Here's a good look at the rise of the program from the North County Times.

The Resume

Let's start with their only bad loss, which is also the only common opponent we share:  that's right Hooper, it's Wyoming.

Playing at home, the Cowboys beat the Aztecs 85-83 on January 9, coming from 14 points down with less than five minutes to play.  According to the recap, Wyoming's full court press made the difference down the stretch (SDSU turned it over four times in their final eleven possessions)...file that away.  Guard/forward Afam Muojeke scored 30 points for Wyoming in the win.  Tennessee beat Wyoming 77-58 in Knoxville on December 15, though it's worth nothing that the Vols led only 42-41 at halftime.

All of SDSU's other losses were to teams that are still playing in a postseason tournament:

  • 11/17 at St. Mary's - 80-58 L
  • 11/25 at Pacific - 71-63 L
  • 12/19 at Arizona State - 55-52 L
  • 01/13 at UNLV - 76-66 L
  • 01/23 vs BYU - 71-69 L
  • 02/06 at New Mexico - 88-86 L
  • 02/24 at BYU - 82-68 L  

The Aztecs do have five wins over NCAA Tournament teams.  They beat UC Santa Barbara in December, and beat New Mexico and UNLV twice each, once at home and once in the MWC Tournament.

The Roster

SDSU plays an eight man rotation, and is led by 6'7" freshman Kawhi Leonard (12.8 points, 9.9 rebounds, 16 double-doubles).  Leonard joins 6'8" Billy White (11.2, 4.4) and 6'9" Malcolm Thomas (11.0, 7.8) on the front line, a group that can match the Vols' front line of 6'7" J.P. Prince, 6'9" Wayne Chism, and 6'10" Brian Williams.  When they go to the bench, they bring in 6'11", 297 lbs Brian Carlwell, an Illinois transfer.  Leonard leads the Mountain West in rebounds, Thomas leads is second in the Mountain West in blocks.

The backcourt is led by D.J. Gay, the fourth double-digit scorer with 10.3 points per game.  Gay averages 3.2 assists and 1.8 turnovers per game; the Aztecs average 13.4 turnovers per game, just ahead of the Vols at 13.2.  Gay is a player who has shown an ability to score 20+ from time to time - when you have four players who average between 10-13 points per game, you're going to get that with several guys.  Being that the Vols have four guys who average between 9-13 points per game, we know all about trying to figure out which guy is going to lead in scoring every night.  Guard Chase Tapley rounds out the starting five, another guy who's capable of scoring 15+ from time to time.  The Aztecs average 70.6 points per game.

The balance means the Vols cannot afford any lapses in defense - whatever look Bruce Pearl draws up, San Diego State will have no offensive liabilities on the floor.  This means that everyone, from Bobby Maze at point to Wayne Chism inside, will need to be ready to play great defense.  If defense and rebounding have been our keys to victory all year, that certainly will not change on Thursday night.

We have similarities in size and balance.  The biggest difference comes in experience:  not only has most of the Tennessee roster been to March Madness before, we're led by three seniors - the Aztecs have only one senior after graduating four starters from last year's team, and start two freshmen (Kawhi Leonard and D.J. Gay  Chase Tapley).  Their lone senior is guard Kelvin Davis, who comes off the bench.  Hopefully their progression suggests that this is the year they make the tournament, and 2011 is when they do some real damage in it.

The Key Points

Offensive Rebounding was the first thing Bruce Pearl pointed out:  the Aztecs average 13.1 offensive rebounds per game, better than everyone in the SEC except Kentucky (14.4) and Florida (13.2).  The stat that Pearl mentioned was that the Aztecs get the rebound on 46% of their missed shots - by comparison, the Vols get the rebound on only 36% of their misses. 

San Diego State takes fewer threes than Tennessee (16.5 per game to the Vols' 18.8), and those shots are really only taken by Gay, Tapley and Kelvin Davis - Gay is a 38.3% shooter from beyond the arc, and Tapley 38.9%, so they're the ones to keep an eye on.  Playing more inside keeps more bodies available to get the rebound.  On the flip side, it could open up transition opportunities for the Vols.  This means we need our bigs to be a real presence on the glass first, and second we need to not screw up when we have a transition advantage, which we are sometimes fond of doing.

While the front line is big and talented, opposing guards have had some huge games against the Aztecs.  None of these guys are slouches, but look at some of these backcourt numbers against SDSU in games the Aztecs lost:

  • Dellavedova/McConnell, St. Mary's:  13 of 26, 9 of 17 3PT, 41 points
  • Willis/Bellfield, UNLV:  10 of 24, 14 of 17 FTs, 35 points
  • Fredette/Haws, BYU:  17 of 29, 8 of 12 3PT, 8 of 8 FTs, 50 points
  • Hobson/Gary, New Mexico: 11 of 25, 4 of 7 3PT, 18 of 23 FTs, 44 points
  • Fredette/Emery, BYU:  14 of 24, 5 of 10 3PT, 10 of 16 FTs, 43 points

In games San Diego State has lost, they've done so not because teams outplayed their front line, but because they had no answer for strong guard play.  And while we shouldn't at all expect the Vols to put up three point numbers like these, the high volume of free throw attempts by guards in each contest suggests that, despite their size inside, these guys are vulnerable to penetration.

If that's the case, Tennessee's biggest concern has to be getting Chism, Brian Williams, Kenny Hall, and Steven Pearl to attack the glass...and then putting the offense in the hands of our attackers:  Bobby Maze, Scotty Hopson, J.P. Prince, and Cameron Tatum need to go to the hole.

This is not a game where, if we win 49-48 and it's incredibly ugly, we need to complain.  This is not your average first round game - it's the best game on the board.  As such, and as is the nature of the tournament, the name of the game is survive and advance.  This is not a year where the competition level is going to go up significantly from here - it's already up.  The "one game at a time" mantra has never been more true in a first round game for the Vols, and if we're going to win, we're going to have to earn it. 

Showing up and expecting our SEC pedigree and our wins over Kansas and Kentucky to carry us means we're on the first flight home Friday morning.  Come to play, and we'll get a great game.  If the Vols rebound, attack the basket, and play with poise the way a more experienced team should, it's a game Tennessee will win.

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I just got Sports Illustrated's annual

NCAA tourney addition and no surprise they are picking the Aztecs. By my unofficial count they join Pat Forde, Seth Davis, Joe Lunardi, and Andy Katz and others that I just cannot remember right now in picking us to lose tomorrow night. I really think it is funny that all these “experts” were so high on us a week ago, yet we are now EVERYBODY’S upset pick in the first round.

It's simple Cubs in the spring and summer, Vols in the fall and winter.

by cubvol on Mar 17, 2010 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

If everyone is picking it...

then it wouldn’t really be an upset, would it?

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Mar 17, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

In that case, I pick UT to "UpseT" San Diego State

After all, you can’t spell “UpseT” without “U-T”

by memphispete on Mar 18, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

just got back from practice

and am pleased to report that scotty hopson was on fire from 3. i counted him 7-10 when i was focusing on him. he looked super confident, even when BWill and Maze were giving him the “where was that last week?” business.

the big orange turnout was minuscule, but there were only maybe 200 people total in the gym. it was cool sitting right behind the press table though.

anyone who is headed to the game, hit up my gmail if you want to meet up for some pregame food/drinks. there are lots of bars very near the dunkin donuts center, which were bumping @ 4 o’clock today for the regional drinking holiday also known as st. patty’s day. im going by myself, so i’d love to get hyped with some fellow vols before the 2nd session starts.

The Dual Threat, Official Enforcer/Stat Geek of MCM.

by hal41605 on Mar 17, 2010 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Remember

The Irish flag has Green, white AND ORANGE!

So Sayth King Zach I

by kingofzachland on Mar 17, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a poor, jobless college kid

So I’m obviously not there, but consider the spirit of many’a Volunteer with ye t’marrow!

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Mar 17, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't like this match up when it came off the board...

…and now I hate it even more. Thanks for the excellent rundown, Will. See y’all tomorrow night.

So Sayth King Zach I

by kingofzachland on Mar 17, 2010 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm also...

…not feeling too good about this game

by V0Ls4LiiFe on Mar 18, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh. Wyoming.

The only thing I’ll say about comparing notes on the common opponent is that Wyoming had a couple of season injuries and a couple of departures that ended up decimating their team after early conference play. If you’re still comparing notes, be sure to use Wyoming’s earlier games as an indicator of how bad that loss was. (It was still an upset, but there you go.)

/homerism

by Hooper on Mar 17, 2010 8:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the Write-up, Will..

And, I hate to be the bearer of pessimism, because I’m not, but we do need to not overlook this game as fans; this is a very good team we are going up against with a strong frontcourt, which is something we’ve shown some tendencies to struggle against. We know our boys are bringing their heart and their passion, but let’s hope they bring their discipline and their A-game as well, because anything less than 100% will give us a very early exit from the tournament. We’re the best 6 seed going up against quite probably the best 11th seed, so we need really dig down and cheer for our boys in white.

Playas, remember this: Seth Davis won’t make himself look like a fool. You’ve got to do that for him, and do it assertively.

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Mar 17, 2010 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

From Mountain West Connection:

The big news if one was not sure from the title is that the good folks at CBS are hooking us up to have the March Madness On Demand Player to be placed here on the site! What this means is that during the open threads that we have will now include the player, so you can watch the games while staying here to comment. Plus, I expect an explanation on how each of you were able to skip out on work or just watch at work and not get fired. I could be wrong on this, but I think the only restriction is blackout rules may apply for what game is being shown in your area, but I am not exactly sure.

Oo, Oo, do we get that do we Joel do we do we do we?!?!

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Mar 17, 2010 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

yes

Will post an open thread with it late this morning, well in time for the first games to start.

by Joel on Mar 18, 2010 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pat Forde of ESPN

has a pretty well-pieced Dreams & Nightmares for the field of 64. Here’s what he had to say about Tennessee:

Tennessee (6)
Best Case: If you can beat Kansas and Kentucky, you surely can beat San Diego State, Georgetown and Ohio State, right? So Big Game Bruce Pearl’s Volunteers do, reaching their first regional final in school history behind next-level performances from Scotty Hopson and Wayne Chism, and an unprecedented burst of heady play from J.P. Prince. But even a Tennessee team on the roll of a lifetime cannot beat Kansas twice, losing in the Elite Eight. Meanwhile, Kentucky and Vanderbilt lose early and Lane Kiffin wrecks another comp car in L.A.
Worst Case: Tennessee leaves its big-game mojo behind in Thompson-Boling Arena. Unimpressed by first-round opponent San Diego State because the Aztecs are never on TV, the Volunteers fail to prepare adequately. Shocked to be facing a quality team and playing like the poise-less bunch that was crushed by Kentucky in the SEC tournament, Tennessee buries itself under a pile of bad shots and is dismissed. Melvin Goins decides to go out with another groin shot to an opponent, and Prince commits seven turnovers. Kentucky wins it all, Vandy makes the Sweet 16 — and Lane Kiffin is still the jilter, not the jiltee.

I think it’s pretty fair assessment, though the Melvin Goins comment was a bit underhanded (no pun intended) and out-of-place, in my opinion. And hey, think our worst-case is bad? I love what Forde said about Kentucky:

Worst Case: Playing West Virginia — their first truly big-time opponent of the season — the untested Wildcats cannot handle the heat. Wall shoots bricks — and has plenty of company. Cousins and Bledsoe get technicals for throwing elbows. Calipari throws fits and forgets to use late timeouts. Players storm off the bench when they get yelled at. The Mountaineers extend Kentucky’s longest streak without a Final Four to 12 years. Big Blue Nation suffers a communal nervous breakdown. Fans bury their heads in snow banks outside the Carrier Dome. Wall, Cousins, Patterson and Bledsoe all go pro. Pitino upsets Duke on the way to a stunning Final Four. Calipari leaves for the Nets, narrowly escaping the mob that comes to burn down his house.

No matter what happens this season, at least Caliperi isn’t our coach. Of this I think we can all be thankful, right?

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Mar 17, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

best case

if we’ve beaten them once, theoretically couldn’t we beat them again?? That seems like a best case scenario

by golfballs03 on Mar 18, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly,

I see our chances in any sort of rematch as even less than before. I think Tennessee can beat every team in America; we certainly have the players, the coaches, and they both have the desire and passion for victory to do so. But so do the other guys, and when it comes down to it Kansas is certainly a loaded team. Beating them twice in one season would be .. well .. about as touch as defeating Kentucky twice in one season.

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Mar 18, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it would be considerably tougher

Kansas has far fewer weaknesses. Kentucky may look more impressive when it’s going well, but if you get them in a game, you have the fact that Calipari can’t coach his way out of a paper sack. and the fact that Wall and Cousins can become mental issues for them given that they really could care less in the end – they’ll be in the NBA next year anyway. And their three-point shooting issues hurt them as well. And they have very little experience in these types of situations. Get both into a close game and you have a far better chance of beating Kentucky than you do Kansas IMO.

The best-case scenario is always the national championship if you’re starting from a seven seed or higher. I think Forde is looking at best and worst-case plausible scenarios. Whether or not you think it’s plausible that we would beat Kansas again becomes the question then, I guess. And Forde doesn’t. Worse yet is that there’s really no other team coming out of the top half of our bracket. Michigan State and Maryland are both really flawed teams, and were they playing each other, I probably would’ve picked both to lose in the second round. Neither can touch Kansas. So there’s little doubt that it will be Kansas waiting for whoever comes out of the bottom half.

by nirwin on Mar 18, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

UNLV is the most active trendy pick

to beat them before the Elite Eight…but I’m not sure they’re getting out of the first round against Northern Iowa

by Will on Mar 18, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, I dunno

I kind of agree with him. Looking at it as optimistically as possible, the farthest I’ve been able to pick us is the Elite Eight.

That game against Kansas was among the most incredible “playing over your head” wins I’ve ever seen. And we do have everybody but Tyler Smith back now, but we won’t be able to recreate the circumstances of that win, and given that it would be for payback and for a Final Four berth (when we would be semi-happy with our first ever Elite Eight, meaning Kansas would probably want it more), and given the fact that it would be in St. Louis, I just don’t see anyway that they wouldn’t pretty much curb-stomp us.

Also, under your line of thinking, we beat Kansas again and have just beaten the best team in the country. Wouldn’t at that point winning the national title become the best-case-scenario? After all, if we beat the best team in the country, we should be able to beat everybody else…

by nirwin on Mar 18, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Overblown crotch shot controversy

The whole Goins-to-the-Groin thing is overblown because Cousins flopped to draw the foul. (Seriously, do you pop up off the ground and smile if you’ve just been elbowed in the groin?)

The only reason the elbow was that low to begin with – Goins was down in a defensive stance (and fighting thru the cheap moving screens of Kentucky) while the man-monster Cousins stood fairly straight up-and-down.

I notice none of the commentators talked about Cousins as he grabbed his own “groinal region” while looking at Chism and talking smack to him.

by memphispete on Mar 18, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

That it was okay to eject Goins over it, but I really have no reason to not believe his explanation on the matter.

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Mar 18, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

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