Will Tennessee go after USC's juniors and seniors?
One of the more interesting aspects of yesterday's news that the NCAA sledge-hammered USC was the impact of the post season ban being two years instead of one. From College Football News:
Two years, though, represents another level of book-throwing on the part of the NCAA. This is as severe a punishment as anyone could have expected; in all candor, it likely exceeded the consensus prediction. USC is likely to hemorrhage recruits because NCAA bylaws – as provided by The Bylaw Blog – give athletes more freedom of movement if a school’s period of bowl-game ineligibility is prolonged rather than limited.
Bylaw 13.1.1.3.3 says the following: "No release needed to contact SAs (student athletes) if school has postseason ban for the rest of their eligibility." Bylaw 14.8.2 says this: "The COI (Committee on Infractions) can recommend a waiver to allow SAs to transfer and play immediately if ban is for the rest of their eligibility."
As you can see, the reality of a two-year bowl ban would naturally have an exponentially greater (negative) effect than a one-year ban. It will possess far more reach than a one-year ban and change the minds of numerous USC football recruits. It’s impossible to think that a substantial player exodus WON’T occur now that the two-year bowl ban has been handed down.
That may actually prove to be first-day, knee-jerk reaction, but it did get Vol fans thinking, didn't it? After all, Tennessee was just getting used to the idea of playing the 2010 season with 75 scholarship players, a more sympathetic result of transitional attrition as opposed to an NCAA banhammering, so the Vols need players. And wouldn't it be oh so sugary sweet to be able to waltz into Ed Orgeron's office to poach his players with the blessing of the NCAA after he tried to poach Tennessee's by breaking the rules?
But will it actually happen?
My initial thought was, "Yes. Absolutely, because Tennessee has room on the roster, and those USC players need a place to play."
My second thought? "Nope. Not gonna happen, because although UT has room on its roster, it doesn't have room in this class due to the blasted rule against oversigning."
My third thought? "I have no idea. Maybe some of those 28 LOIs don't count toward 2010, or maybe there are ways other than LOIs to fill up the roster with blue chips. I need to take my gingko and call Compliance. Do you think they're still there at 9:45 p.m.?"
So let me explain.
REFRESHER ALERT AND PREFATORY DISCLAIMER! I am no NCAA bylaw expert. I've spent no time reading through the NCAA rules and I'm not inclined due to time constraints to do so now. So caveat lector.
You may recall that FBS schools can provide scholarships to only 25 new student athletes per year. The problem with only signing 25, though, is that recruits sometimes have a nasty habit of failing to qualify, so coaches took to padding the numbers and rolling the dice that they'd be able to get down to 25 in time for the fall. In 2009, Houston Nutt allowed a staggering 38 prospects to sign letters of intent to Ole Miss.
Well, pigs get fed and hogs get slaughtered, sometimes by association, and the SEC instituted a new rule limiting such oversigning to 28 prospects that June, which really sucks when your program is down by ten scholarships and trying to make up ground. Unintended consequences and all that. Perhaps there's an exemption to this rule for programs that are under the 85 scholarship per year limit, but I'm not aware of one. Shouldn't there be one?
Anyway, no program can award more than 25 scholarships per year, and no SEC program can accept more than 28 letters of intent prior to any season. (The NCAA has voted to apply the oversigning rule to all FBS institutions, but that rule won't be effective until August 1, 2010. Nice timing, that.)
UT originally had 26 players sign LOIs in its 2010 class, but that doesn't include Darin Gooch and Brent Brewer, who were both added in the last two weeks. The article on Brewer doesn't say anything about him actually signing, just that he and the school intend for him to be on a football scholarship in the fall, but let's assume he's signed. That would put the Vols at the SEC LOI cap of 28.
Maybe. As is usually the case when folks in suits with good intentions start writing rules all willy nilly, the rules themselves actually get quite a bit more complicated, and then it's game on for the lawyers and those who pay them to find and exploit loopholes, as explained by the Bylaw Blog:
Whether and when a player is an initial counter depends on what term he was first given aid, whether he was recruited or not, what year in school he is, and whether he is replacing a midyear graduate. All of these loopholes and exceptions lead to two straight-forward limits of 85 counters and 25 initial counters down some very complicated paths.
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Note that [the rule limiting LOIs to 28 per year] is just limiting letters of intent. A school can sign more prospects to grant-in-aid agreements, but not to the letter of intent which locks them into the school for a period of time.
So look for compliance offices all over the country to have their noses in rules and fingers on desk calendars trying to figure out whether they can go fishing for blue chips formerly dressed in ketchup and mustard. Whatever UT's compliance office concludes, though, I hope they land a helicopter on top of Heritage Hall and go have a look at Orgeron's recruits, even if it's just to window shop.
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Coach Dooley and his staff that he has assembled strike me as the type to take the moral high road in a situation like this-not that I think it would be questionable for them to pursue these kids. It’s just something Kiffin and his staff wouldn’t hesitate to do while Dooley seems to be cut from a completely different cloth.
"Everything we're going to do is going to be done with a foundation of integrity with every aspect of the program. We're going to represent Tennessee with class on and off the field." Coach Derek Dooley
Interesting
I hope they all go UCLA, Oregon, Cal, etc. It would be “street justice” for what Ed O tried to do to us. Maybe we take 1 just for the statement.
Wouldn’t they count as transfers instead of new recruits or am I 100% wrong about that?
by Joel Ward is my Homeboy on Jun 11, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions
That is what I would think, but I have no idea.
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I guess old Lane was right,
USC already has plenty of national attention.
by Getoffmyvols on Jun 11, 2010 11:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
In theory a great idea....
but easier said (and posted) than done.
Doubt UT benefits from this at all. Dooley will build UT back the right way. Gonna be a tough 2 or 3 years first though.
Coop
Not sure how...
everyone is getting the idea that this is somehow morally incorrect.
The rule allowing transfers is there for a reason, and I know if the shoe was on the other foot, we’d look awfully silly trying to say it’s morally wrong for a recruit to leave our program while facing a bowl ban and likely mediocrity for the remainder of their career.
The sentiment at Bruins Nation is that you should go in and get them all.
That is, all but our friend Markeith, who was and remains thrilled to be a trogan. I don’t think you need someone who wasn’t sure if he wanted to be a Gollunteer or a Trogan.
There is a giant karma turd falling on south central. Please go finish the cosmic dump. Flush when you’re finished.
You Vols realize, I hope, that the Bruns Nation thinks very highly of you folks, and were happy beyond belief when Lame left. (Happier still that he landed where he did.)
I see nothing wrong with going after available players.
I’ll leave the ‘available’ there since I’m behind the curve and don’t know who can be contacted.
But simply put, we don’t tend to view this from the same perspective of the players and coaches. For many players (and nearly all coaches), this is a business. If desirable assets become available (i.e. players), the coaches should pursue them. Also, if better business opportunities open up for the players, they should at least consider them (within the scope of ethics).
It’s not like us fans, who are far more tribal about this.
But short of the Nutt method of JUCO redirection, I'm not sure how to make the numbers work.
I’d love to go after these guys as free recruiting. But if this doesn’t jive with economics and Dooley’s idea of building a program, it’s a non-starter.
Simulated Gameday Experience - just like the real thing, only we have smoke machines.
by Chris Pendley on Jun 11, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
My above comment being said,
I also think UT shouldn’t go after any USC guys for spite. If they don’t fit into the new direction and if they bring baggage, they’re not worth it, no matter how much fun the fans might have with it.
Fortunately, Mustain fits into the plan
and is spiteful.
Simulated Gameday Experience - just like the real thing, only we have smoke machines.
by Chris Pendley on Jun 12, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Mustain to Auburn makes more sense.
With his old high school coach Gus Malzahn there he could feel very comfortable and maybe start.
If we could pull some bench warming O-Line men that would be a smart play.
I like the linemen idea better than Mustain.
At this point, Mustain is effectively a JUCO transfer. It’s already too late for him to be a day 1 starter this year, so we’re still looking at a brand new qb for the first two or three weeks. As far as I’m concerned, I’d rather just let Dooley start from scratch and build with a more long-term approach.
But we could still use more linemen.
by David Hooper on Jun 12, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions

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