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If Texas A&M joins the SEC, who should come with them?

IAmThe12thMan.com is the blog to watch now, as Texas A&M appears to have become the most interesting piece of the puzzle.  With Colorado in the Pac-x, Nebraska to the Big 10+x, and more word coming today that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are all heading west next week, A&M has the next big choice to make:  do you follow your Texas brethren to the Pacific, or do you seek freedom and head for the SEC?

We don't have enough facts to say whether or not A&M will come to the SEC...but it is safe to assume that the SEC isn't going from 12 to 13.  If the Aggies come, at least one more team will come with them.  So let's say A&M breaks away from the Texas schools and joins the SEC, and the league doesn't go totally insane and only seeks to add one more team to get to 14.  Who would you like to see that 14th team be?

Here are what we consider to be the Top 10 options - John Pennington at MrSEC.com has done the best job I've seen of ranking all the candidates.  There are obviously several factors involved here, but in this game money is king, and at the end of the day the dollar is going to win over any other factor.

Here are the teams - some thoughts on the process after the jump, and of course feel free to leave all of your thoughts on who and why in the comments as this story progresses throughout the weekend.

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The easy thing and the right thing are rarely the same thing

If Mike Slive wants to be reactive - which at this point, he is with the Big 10, Pac-10, and Mountain West all already making moves - there's a sense that it would be an easy move to go to 16 by adding Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, and Miami.  Three of those are good cultural fits, and the fourth puts more of the Miami market in play. 

But really, what does adding those four schools do for the SEC?

Florida State and Miami, I get.  And even if A&M decides not to come play, adding those two and staying at 14 would be okay.  But what do Clemson and/or Georgia Tech really do for the Southeastern Conference?

I think those two schools only serve to water down the product.  And in some respects, the product is going to get watered down regardless of who we add:  competition is going to go up unless we add Tiger High and UAB.  A 12 member SEC just saw half its best teams finish 7-5 in a round robin bloodbath. 

But if it's going to get watered down, we need to make sure we're getting something positive in return.  Clemson and Georgia Tech have solid programs, and Clemson especially has passionate fans.  But so do several other teams who can also offer expanded TV markets, new recruiting territory, increase the footprint, etc.  Clemson and Georgia Tech make the most sense on face value, but they make the least sense when you really look at it.   

How Southeastern does the Southeastern Conference have to be?

Again, there are more important factors than geography here.  The conference already stretches more than 900 miles east to west from Columbia to Fayetteville, and more than 700 miles north and south from Lexington to Gainesville.  For instance, Columbia, Missouri is actually closer to Knoxville than Fayetteville, Arkansas.  The presence of the Razorbacks shouldn't make anyone shy away from Missouri.  Likewise, Louisville isn't too far north.

This is another place where Clemson and Georgia Tech make sense on face value, but Missouri is a much better play.  Should the conference expand by two to the west and pickup A&M and Missouri?  That would certainly screw with divisional alignments (Alabama & Auburn to the East, Vanderbilt to the West anyone?)...but the expanded footprint and the inclusion of the St. Louis/Kansas City markets would be attractive. 

On the other hand, are Maryland and/or Miami too far outside the culture for our taste?

What about basketball?

A school like Kansas would be an excellent complement; if A&M says no, a Missouri/Kansas combo might be interesting.  But Kansas cannot be the main attraction.  Nor can West Virginia or Louisville.  You're not bringing enough to the table overall with those schools, no matter how much they bring to basketball. 

SEC Basketball is going to be okay no matter who the conference adds.  It can certainly get better (and I'm eager for the A&M/Kentucky Billy Gillispie series) but it's not a big enough factor in the overall decision making process.

The best move may not be the sexiest move

If you assume expansion is going to happen and the SEC isn't going to stay exactly where it is...I think the best case scenario is going to 14 teams, and adding Texas A&M and Virginia Tech.

Will that raise eyebrows, or make other fanbases shudder in their boots?  Probably not.  But if you're after an expanded footprint, new television markets, and the greatest chance to increase the product, don't those two schools do that better than any other combination still left on the table?

The last time we played this game in 1992, Arkansas and South Carolina weren't the sexiest moves on the table.  But that move, along with the creation of the conference championship game, has done wonders for the SEC.  The borders were expanded, competition increased but didn't become overwhelming (though Carolina and Arkansas may disagree), and both the SEC and the new schools won in the end.

A&M and Virginia Tech wouldn't be the sort of overwhelming addition the way Texas and Oklahoma would've been.  But you can have too much of a good thing, and I think had we put those two schools in what's already the best conference in college football, life would've been awfully tough for everybody. 

With A&M and VT, you're adding two great football schools in two brand new states.  In more ways than not, Virginia Tech is a better fit than even Florida State - the Hokies have been more successful recently, and while FSU certainly still has some level of national appeal, we already have a school in the state of Florida, and there would be much less strife among the existing schools in adding the Hokies. 

You don't have to get crazy and go to 16.  Add A&M and VT, and you can keep the same divisions, and either go to a 9 game SEC schedule (yes please), or play one annual rival and one rotating opponent from the other division.  Competition increases, but not to the point of total insanity.  And the state of Texas, all of southwest Virginia, and a good chunk of Washington DC now all care about the SEC.

Will it happen?  Who knows.  But with Texas and Oklahoma off the board and two conferences already expanding, I think this is where the SEC should go from here.

Poll
If Texas A&M joins the SEC and the league only wants to expand to 14 teams, who should be the other team?
Clemson
85 votes
Florida State
158 votes
Georgia Tech
137 votes
Kansas
42 votes
Louisville
14 votes
Maryland
13 votes
Miami
50 votes
Missouri
119 votes
Virginia Tech
408 votes
West Virginia
49 votes

1075 votes | Poll has closed

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If you're going to do it, go four deep.

That’s for one simple reason: the VA legislature won’t let the SEC snag VT without taking UVa, too. So you may as well add Missouri and make a day of it if you’re going that way.

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by Chris Pendley on Jun 11, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

If we’re not going to go to 16, then we may as well stay at 12.

by danmarcel on Jun 11, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if we go to 16

I think that’s the best move there: A&M/Mizzou in the west, VT/UVA in the East. But I think doing nothing is becoming less and less of an option every hour.

by Will Shelton on Jun 11, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just not sure I get the point of adding two, either.

The endgame at this point is pretty clearly 16 team super-conferences. If the SEC wants to maintain its status as a leader and innovator, 14 is only an intermediary at best. (I also suspect the Pac-X’s next move is to demand more BCS slots because of 16 teams; if the SEC snaps goes +4 from here and beats them to the punch, it keeps power out of the hands of anyone affiliated with the Rose Bowl – and deprives the Big 10 11 12 of poaching Missouri, which in turn leaves Nebraska geographically isolated and Delany scrambling for another viable team.)

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by Chris Pendley on Jun 11, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will fight shoulder-to-shoulder with you on this.

We already screwed up and let in chickens and hogs; do we really need to discuss turtles?

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by Thinking Bulldog on Jun 11, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thought of adding Maryland makes me want to puke

Why not just go after Rutgers then? Please don’t add any yankee schools to my beloved SEC. And don’t kid yourselves, Maryland may have been a border state, but it is a yankee school.

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by Pandemonium Reigns on Jun 11, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes of course: Maryland, Rutgers, Pittsburgh & Temple....

Think of the media footprint!

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by Thinking Bulldog on Jun 11, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You, my friend, are correct in every way.

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by bobothevol on Jun 11, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No fears there, I believe.

I can’t imagine anybody seriously considering Maryland.

To be honest, Chapel Hill makes more sense. Not that they’d give up their Duke fetish or anything, but they’re bigger in basketball, at least as big in football, and have a more significant following.

by David Hooper on Jun 11, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

In that case ...

Why not UNC and Duke? How nice would it be to be the premier conference for both football and basketball?

by NCT on Jun 12, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Order of preference...

Texas A&M, Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Louisville, Southern Miss, UNC.

The West Virginia thing is a bit personal, but I’m not convinced VT would bring very much. Don’t think UNC would be a good fit, but I am surprised they aren’t in the poll.

by Caban on Jun 11, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Just don't think they're realistic

No way you get UNC without Duke, and I seriously doubt those two would leave the ACC and leave NC State/Wake. The Charlotte/Raleigh market isn’t worth all of that.

by Will Shelton on Jun 11, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

There is no way we get any of the NC schools unless the whole system falls apart… which is really unfortunate because the potential is there for a great rivalry between Tennessee and North Carolina.

Just figured we were judging sentiment… In that same vein, I don’t see VT without UVA. Those Virginians are all about Thomas Jefferson U.

by Caban on Jun 11, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

At a minimum....

Our legislature would make you take UNC and NCSU together.

UNC would probably insist on adding Duke as well to preserve all the money in the UNC vs. Duke basketball rivalry.

That leaves Wake out in the cold.

Bottom Line: The North Carolina schools aren’t going anywhere.

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by Tater596 on Jun 11, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also...

You’re not just getting the Charlotte/Raleigh market… If you take UNC/NCSU/DUKE you’ve taken the entire market basically. Wake has the smallest following of the four.

That is about 10 million potential TV viewers, not to mention the fact that UNC has a national following in basketball.

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by Tater596 on Jun 11, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I might take all three with A&M

You could move Kentucky to the west to balance basketball, or Vandy to the west if you want one academic patsy in each division for football purposes.

I wouldn’t really want Duke or NC State, but it might be worth it to get NC.

I think a better move would be A&M/Missouri and VT/UVa, but I don’t see UVa making the move. I don’t know if the legislature would let VT go.

by GwinnettGamecock on Jun 12, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either one would be tough on us

Kentucky and Vandy consider us their biggest rival, and we considered Alabama ours. One of us would be pissed the heck off.

by Incipient_Senescence on Jun 12, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

And getting Arkansas...

was considered quite a coup in the early 90s.

by Caban on Jun 11, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I just wonder if Roy Kramer wouldn't have rather had

Florida State and Texas at the time. Arkansas basketball was a much bigger deal back then too.

by Will Shelton on Jun 11, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt...

He would have much rather had Texas… Florida State famously avoided a potential SEC invite in 1990 to avoid serious competition. Obviously, that situation has changed in a big way.

I do believe with any of the schools listed above, with the exception of VT and Kansas, you would just have to invite them.

by Caban on Jun 11, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Traditional Powers

Why wouldn’t the SEC want traditional powers in college football Miami and FSU. Football really is what this is all about. It really has nothing to do with basketball or any other sport. Football makes the money and brings the TV. I don’t agree with Virginia at all. GT, VT, Miami and FSU, maybe Clemson.

by coopnjaxdad on Jun 11, 2010 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Because oversaturation buys them nothing.

New markets – even partially saturated – matter much more. Going from 10% viewership in St. Louis to 50% is much bigger than going from 80% to 90% in Tampa and Orlando.

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by Chris Pendley on Jun 11, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That makes some sense to me, I really have trouble with texas in the Pac-X. Texas is as southern as they come. I’m not a fan of any of this, but it should be interesting.

by coopnjaxdad on Jun 11, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Problem is...

We’re on a national network… Would a game between Florida and Florida State pull in more viewers nationally than Virginia Tech vs. Alabama? I think it’s close.

I actually think we risk our brand if we start plucking less than enthusiastic programs out of the remains of the Big 12.

by Caban on Jun 11, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the latter:

Yes, I agree, but I also think 14 teams is a non-stable solution. (For that matter, I think 16 teams is non-stable, but more stable than 14. 12 is stable.)

On the former: we’re on a national network, yes – which means that we don’t have an issue reaching SEC alumni now, as well as those who want to see good football. It’s a question of how to expand your “alumni base” from what I can tell (since they’re your consistent viewers); new markets seem to be the way to go for that. For example, Missouri gives the SEC most of St. Louis and part of Kansas City, which isn’t anything to sneeze at, although that depends in part on where Kansas ends up in all of this.

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by Chris Pendley on Jun 11, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know I've been "All About The U"

…but I think Georgia Tech makes the most sense (besides they used to be a member of the SEC). If we go to 16, we should also try to snag Miami and Clemson.

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by kingofzachland on Jun 11, 2010 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I like the idea of A&M and Georgia Tech myself.

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by bobothevol on Jun 11, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

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The most logical debate we keep here in SEC Land is GT, Clemson, Miami, and Florida State. However, I bet the ACC would have something to say about this.

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by Rocky Top on Jun 12, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Texas A&M is too used to being the beaten up little brother. I think they head fake to SEC

and end up following Texas to Pac-X. Most likely Missouri/VaTech or VaTech/UVA become the two additions. Would love A&M though.

I’m excited to see Texas possibly visit Cal on a regular basis.

by SanFranVol97 on Jun 11, 2010 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2010/6/11/1514114/if-expanding-14-teams-should-be

14 is better than 16 for the SEC IMO. It works better for scheduling. Go for quality, not quantity. You can make an argument that a 12 team conference is behind the times with 16 team conferences around, but 14 and 16 are close enough.

Plus, with every team you add you have to slice that pie another way. I’m not sure our 3rd and 4th targets (assuming we can get whoever we want) would add enough revenue to make up for splitting things up more.

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by Zoltar on Jun 11, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

The BCS is the giant unknown in this.

14’s much easier to schedule than 16 (which is a conference in name only), but …what if the Pac-X turns into the Pac-16 and starts wanting twice the cut of the BCS pie? Scheduling is a minor detail from what I can tell – revenue’s key. I do agree that there’s no sense in adding schools that don’t come with the potential to add more eyeballs.

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by Chris Pendley on Jun 11, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

what if the Pac-X turns into the Pac-16 and starts wanting twice the cut of the BCS pie?

Not going to happen. No way they will get double the slots for having 1.14x the number of teams. And what about the Big X? They wouldn’t stand for that either.

Now that Boise State has joined the Mountain West, you may see them pick up some remnants of the Big 12 (Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, and possibly someone like Iowa State, Baylor, or SMU). Add a championship game (MWC would have 14 members), and they would have a good shot at becoming an automatic qualifying conference.

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by Zoltar on Jun 11, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been waiting for the MWC to do that.

With that being said, if Pac-X and Big-X get solved where X=16, they can both push. (They seem to have less of an issue with their sister conference having power, FWIW.) I also expect that the BCS as we think of it is functionally toast if the Big 12 …well, keeps on keeping on, since one of the six founding members is no more.

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by Chris Pendley on Jun 12, 2010 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

If they want two automatic bids, they should just expand to 20. Have teams only play their division except for the championship game. Then you could make a good argument for 2 bids, but you’re basically making a Big 8-Pac 8 championship game.

Of course this would be so screwed up that I think it would spawn Ragnarok and blow up the BCS permanently, ushering in an NCAA style tournament.

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by Zoltar on Jun 11, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps

but this poll was run last week as a hypothetical exercise, not a breakdown of a real-live possibility of adding new teams. in the end, it’s just another data point as we stumble around in the dark waiting for the real news to happen.

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by kleph on Jun 11, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I understand why they were the choices

Just saying that I think the obvious choices aren’t the pick here.

by Incipient_Senescence on Jun 11, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be fine with A&M and Florida State

but I want no part of Clemson or Georgia Tech. Nothing personal against either of those schools, I just don’t see the benefit.

by Will Shelton on Jun 11, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed.

What you're seeing is team spirit. It's like the Holy Spirit, but more powerful.

-Hank Hill

by Zoltar on Jun 11, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Add the Atlanta Falcons, the Washington Redskins, and the Dallas Cowboys.

Three massive markets securely wrapped up. (Not that Atlanta isn’t already, but that eliminates that Georgia Tech argument quite neatly.)

by David Hooper on Jun 11, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not worried.

After all, Wyoming will only hire young up-and-coming coaches who don’t really have a lot of experience but are looking to prove themselves. And Lane Kiffin is …

oh, crap.

by David Hooper on Jun 12, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Though if Tennessee was a cultural mismatch for Lane,

I can only imagine what life would be like for him at Wyoming.

by David Hooper on Jun 12, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by Rocky Top on Jun 12, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, bingo.

You want the DC market, you add the Redskins. (They’d probably go 9-3 in the SEC.)

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by Chris Pendley on Jun 12, 2010 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a Falcons Fan...

I concur b/c we might then have a chance to win consistently after 45 years.

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by Rocky Top on Jun 12, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well clearly VT is leading our poll so far...

As they should be. The Hokies have one of the more rabid fanbases in college football, and are certainly the best football power in the ACC. Hokies also tend to travel very well, and look at the success of the VT vs. Alabama game in Atlanta this year.

14 teams I’d like to see TAMU and VT (with Mizzour as an alternate if we’d have to take UVA as well)

16 teams I’d like TAMU, VT, Mizzou, GT (however, chances are you’d have to take UVA in place of GT)

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by Tater596 on Jun 11, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Georgia Tech though

Better school isn’t it?

And their fans, too, are pretty fanatical.

VTech expands the market, but GT, good school

by Aardvark on Jun 11, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tradition

I have to say. As far as the SEC being tradition filled and passionate…there is only one team that will fulfill this and bring in new market share. That is Texas A&M. Every other school mentioned is a good school and have good fans but this is the SEC. We have fans that are rabid. A&M brings this. Duke and North Carolina only bring this in Basketball. Everybody seems so fast to want to invite Virginia Tech but I remember the so called “Out of conference game of the year” in Baton Rouge between VT and LSU. LSU sent VT home crying. They are not ready to compete in the SEC. Texas A&M is ready and as I said their fans are passionate and ready to support them. I would rather take West Virginia or Clemson before I took Virginia Tech. Sorry but I would. Also, Missouri…..let them along with Baylor, Iowa State, and the kansas schools go to the Mountain West conference. Seriously…we don’t need that.

Also, Don’t discount the University of Houston. Don’t know if that’s a good Idea? SPORTS TRADITION. Ever heard of Carl Lewis. Ever heard of Fred Couples. Ever heard of Phi Slamma Jamma. Every heard of the Andre Ware and the Heisman Trophy. The University has just committed to building a new stadium and renovating their basketball arena on campus and their enrollment is big, their commitment to athletics is big, and their recruiting after joining the SEC would also become very big.

by cajunjames on Jun 12, 2010 4:33 AM EDT reply actions  

You’ll be scoffed at for the Houston idea, but I think it would be great. Very progressive athletically.

Still would like VPI and GaTech or Clemson.

by GhostDance on Jun 12, 2010 10:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Virginia Tech would be the second or third best team in the SEC this year

depending on your opinion of John Brantley. A&M has gone 7-6, 4-8, and 6-7 the last three years, and lost to a 7-5 SEC team by 24 points in their bowl game last year. Virginia Tech has gone 11-3, 10-4, and 10-3 the last three years, won the ACC twice, and beat a 7-5 SEC team by 23 points in their bowl game last year.

I’m not saying beating our team last year was enough to dispel the notion that they “can’t play with the SEC”. But they also spanked LSU in Blacksburg back in ‘02, so it’s not been completely one-sided. They were the last team chosen for the new ACC…and they’ve won it three times in six years.

A&M has a lot more history, tradition, etc. But Virginia Tech is way ahead of them right now, and much more ready to compete in the SEC – A&M would struggle to get bowl eligible in our league, while Virginia Tech could win the East right now.

by Will Shelton on Jun 12, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Houston's only problem is the readiness level.

The potential is there, sure, but it’s not yet realized. If the SEC took them on, the conference would basically be investing in futures on Houston. Given that the SEC is the top conference over the last few years, I’m not sure that they want to take on a project.

That having been said, Houston is a far smarter investment than Memphis. When compared in that light, it’s not even close.

by David Hooper on Jun 12, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Texas fans...

are a laugh over on the A&M board. They remind me of the Iraqi minister of information, “The SEC has not offered Texas A&M/The US Army is not near Baghdad”…

I know it’s completely insane, but Texas A&M is allowed to do stuff without your permission… although I do wish Texas luck in their new role as pivot man in a 16 team circle. You guys can sit around and discuss how awesome your lacrosse, ice dancing, and archery teams are while A&M is busy playing Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, and possibly Florida State on national TV every week.

by Caban on Jun 12, 2010 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

NORTH CAROLINA & DUKE! A&M and Kansas.

That’s who we need. Then the SEC would have the best football and basketball conference bar none. That is, if there is no way to get Texas and Ok.

by mrigsby on Jun 12, 2010 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

still convinced...

some intentional misinformation is being spread by all parties with the intent of adding leverage to their arguments. Pretty sure with most of the ACC teams we would target, the candidate process would largely consist of a phone call and a $50 check.

by CabanX on Jun 13, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

"a source"

thanks, man.

...just apologize for not thanking me.

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