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Who's afraid of the Big 12 Championship Game?

The most absurd part of the conference expansion argument - and there's a lot of absurdity to go around - is the whining on the part of the Big 12 coaches and administrators about their conference championship game.  Now that the league appears to be settled on ten teams, the conference apparently will not petition the NCAA to keep the Big 12 title game (NCAA rules mandate twelve teams for the December championship).  The central argument is found in the notes here:  the Big 12 title game has kept teams from that conference from competing for National Championships.

Because that's what we need, right?  Teams that aren't good enough to win their conference championship game competiting for the BCS title instead?

As you'll see, a significant percentage of Big 12 teams that come into the conference championship game with a chance to play in the BCS title game don't just lose, they get killed.  

In the twelve year history of the BCS, the Big 12 has won two National Championships:  Oklahoma out of nowhere in 2000, and Texas in 2005, one of the best college football teams of the decade.  That means one-sixth of the BCS titles have gone to the Big 12, an even average for a system with six conferences.

In that same span, the ACC has won only one...two if you give them Miami's from 2001, before the Canes migrated from the Big East.  The Big 10 has won only one.  And the Pac-10 has vacated one.

The other six have been won by the Southeastern Conference.  And you know what the Southeastern Conference has?  A Championship Game that we don't whine about. 

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Since play began in 1996, the Big 12 has seen one of its teams go to the conference championship game with a chance to play in the National Championship Game ten times in fourteen years.  Sounds impressive, right?  Let's take a look at what happened to those ten teams in the Big 12 Championship Game:

  • 1996:  Texas 37 - #3 Nebraska 27
  • 1997:  #2 Nebraska 54 - #14 Texas A&M 15
  • 1998:  #10 Texas A&M 36 - #2 Kansas State 33 (2OT)   
  • 2000:  #1 Oklahoma 27 - #8 Kansas State 24
  • 2001:  #9 Colorado 39 - #3 Texas 37
  • 2003:  #15 Kansas State 35 - #1 Oklahoma 7
  • 2004:  #2 Oklahoma 42 - Colorado 3
  • 2005:  #2 Texas 70 - Colorado 3
  • 2007:  #9 Oklahoma 38 - #1 Missouri 17
  • 2009:  #3 Texas 13 - #21 Nebraska 12

Half of the Big 12 teams who've gone to the first weekend of December with National Championship hopes have seen them dashed in the conference championship game.  And again, they're not just fluke losses; these supposed championship contenders have been blown out more often than not.

I'll give you Kansas State in 1998, a double overtime game.  But other than that, these were all total embarrasments on the part of the "championship" team.  Texas may have closed the gap to two points at the very end of the 2001 title game, but that was after Chris Simms put them behind 29-10.  Nebraska may have been close throughout in 1996, but Texas was an unranked team that still beat them by ten points.

The biggest joke of all, of course, was Oklahoma in 2003, who lost by 28 points and was still given the opportunity to play for the BCS title.  And the BCS itself is to blame for that, but still...the Big 12 wants to sidestep the title game, because its best teams can't win it.

The SEC?  We don't have that problem.

In the eighteen year history of the SEC Championship Game, league teams have gone to Birmingham or Atlanta with a chance to win the National Championship fourteen times.  This includes four teams in the last two years, in the #1 vs. #2 Alabama vs. Florida showdowns.  Here's how those fourteen teams have fared in the SECCG:

  • 1992:  #2 Alabama 28 - #12 Florida 21
  • 1995:  #2 Florida 34 - #23 Arkansas 3
  • 1996:  #4 Florida 45 - #11 Alabama 30
  • 1997:  #3 Tennessee 30 - #11 Auburn 29
  • 1998:  #1 Tennessee 24 - #23 Mississippi State 14
  • 2001:  #21 LSU 31 - #2 Tennessee 20
  • 2003:  #3 LSU 34 - #5 Georgia 13
  • 2004:  #3 Auburn 38 - #15 Tennessee 28
  • 2006:  #4 Florida 38 - #8 Arkansas 28
  • 2007:  #5 LSU 21 - #14 Tennessee 14
  • 2008:  #2 Florida 31 - #1 Alabama 20
  • 2009:  #2 Alabama 32 - #1 Florida 13

Obviously, somebody had to lose the last two years.  Beyond that, only once has an SEC team gone to the SEC Championship Game still alive in the National Championship race, and lost.

That was us, of course, in 2001.  And we don't shy away from how painful and what a blown opportunity it was.  That's how you're supposed to feel when you lose with the stakes that high.  And then you're supposed to dust off your britches like a big boy, and work to get back there so you can do it right the next time.

Instead, the Big 12 has chosen to whine and cry behind the scenes, has allowed Texas to lead the charge to make life easier on themselves while the rest of college football was eager to make things more difficult through expansion (I have no doubt Mack Brown's voice was among the loudest for the removal of the conference title game), and now hopes to fool the college football world (they won't) and the BCS (they will) into thinking that their conference champion is just as worthy of playing for the big prize without the conference title game.

How can anyone respect the Big 12?  Even if you didn't like them before, you could at least respect them for following the SEC's lead in expansion and the conference championship game, two things that have done wonders for us.  But now, they're looking for the easy way out, they've worked out a deal where the small revenue schools just hand over money that should belong to them to the big boys, and the only ones who are "happy" are those in Texas who stand to profit (and I'm not sure I'd include Texas fans among them), and the smaller Big 12 fanbases who've been told Texas is God long enough that they've apparently started to both believe in and worship them.  Seeing stuff like this is depressing, and I don't even know any Kansas State fans.  How does anyone possibly think this will last?

Other than for giving us two weeks of accelerated pace during the offseason, I'm thankful for this entire process because it's made me more thankful for the SEC...where Alabama and Vanderbilt get the same paycheck.  There have been times Tennessee was at the top of the heap in this league, and was responsible for a significant percentage of the money it made.  And times right now find the Vols having missed bowl games twice in the last five years, and having not made the BCS since 1999.  But we share and share alike, and nobody - not even Alabama-when-they're-winning, which is an insufferable creature - thinks they're bigger than the league itself.  More than half of the college football world has been sweating for the last two weeks.  We approached this situation with less to lose than anyone else.

And I'm thankful and proud to be in a league where we don't run from competition, we embrace it.  The SEC Championship Game is a fantastic event.  We'll keep sending our best teams to Atlanta, and they'll keep finding competition there that's routinely better than whoever they play next for the National Championship.  We won't be dominated by one or two teams, the way the Big 10, Big 12, and Pac-10 have for an entire decade.  And we won't watch all of those so-called dominant teams from three leagues combine to win fewer championships than the SEC by itself.  Four teams in this league have won six BCS Championships in twelve years.  A fifth now has a rightful claim to the Trogans' vacated prize. 

Texas can make all the money it wants, and rig the system to find the easiest possible route to the BCS title game.  But they've lost any respect they might have gained in this process.  Let the Big 12 take the easy way out.  We'll keep sending our best to Atlanta, and the winner will keep making the game after that a mere formality.   

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I will give the Big 12 this much -

The coaches have always been opposed to having a championship game. It’s the universities themselves that adopted the game. This in no way impacts the discussion about whether the teams are backing down from competition, but at least the teams themselves have been consistent in the matter.

by David Hooper on Jun 16, 2010 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Right

They’re just using this opportunity to conveniently take the easy way out. They’re also losing lots of exposure in Jerry World and, I’d imagine, some money along the way.

by Will Shelton on Jun 16, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Texas doesn't care about that lost money.

They’ll get their TV network and make up the difference (and more). Then when they do move to the PAC-10, they’ll have all the benefits of California viewership plus their own little binnies on the side. This was absolutely the best move for Texas, though it railroaded a lot of other people in the process.

by David Hooper on Jun 16, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sold they move to the Pac-10

But they don’t go anywhere until they use Big 12 TV money to get their TV network off the ground. (I’ve been working on a theory.)

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by Chris Pendley on Jun 16, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff Will

And, it’s somewhat frightening. The Big 12 10 stands to become exactly what the Big 10 12 used to be by this move: the weak link. Unless they go to a full round-robin schedule then they’ll be seen by quite a few fans (myself included) as being a weaker link within the BCS.

And for the big schools to want the smaller schools to give away their buyout money is absolutely disgusting. I had quite a bit of respect for the Texas and Oklahoma universities in the Big 12 but that respect is now gone.

Makes Teh Monies Throwing Down In The Blogosphere.

by bobothevol on Jun 16, 2010 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m pretty sure that they will play a round-robin schedule like the PAC-10 did.

But yea, the buyout thing is nuts.

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by Zoltar on Jun 16, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your comment hints at the following negotiation for conference and school naming rights

Will the Big 12 10 negotiate a straight out trade for the Big 10 12 name, so that we are no longer confused by the number of teams in the conference? Do you think there will be any cash, draft bowl picks or a team to be named later involved?

Also, since money is completely the story here, will we see corporate naming rights for the schools? Memphis might become the FedEx Institute with the tagline “We’ll pay you $10M a year to get us anywhere in the country – Overnight”.

by memphispete on Jun 16, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is quite possibly

the best article I’ve ever read on RTT. Excellent work Will.

by danmarcel on Jun 16, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow

This article actually gave this Florida boy chills. Well said. I feel like standing up at my desk and clapping. The idea that a “power” like Texas has to make their road in a conference like the Big12 easier is a complete joke. Long live the SEC, where our second and third best teams, can usually kick your ass.

by Cardsfan25 on Jun 16, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Under the suspicion meter:

That K-State fan has only signed onto BON and has only made one comment: that one you linked. It could very well be a KSU guy, but the red flags are there.

So far, all the Little 12 schools’ fans I know are extremely upset. This is a huge blow to their pride.

Besides, this is going to hurt recruiting in those schools. Who wants to go to a school that rolls over to their own conference opponents like this?

by David Hooper on Jun 16, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

This makes me proud to be a fan of the SEC

As usual, a fantastic article by Will. I’ve always been a decent fan of the Big 12 (I have a strong dislike for the Big 10 and the Pac-10). I felt like they could possibly be the 2nd best football conference behind the SEC of course. This just makes you realize how much more than I realized the SEC is dominating. Texas just feels like the Yankees of football – they want money and as much as possible, and they will just appease the little guys in the conference because they’re getting what they want.

Personally I think one day the BCS should require you win a conference championship to be in the national championship game.

by Solid Orange on Jun 16, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

It won't last.

The Big XII-II will only go with the 10 team model until an Oklahoma or Texas gets left out of the national championship game because two undefeated teams in a conference with championship games get the nod over them for schedule strength. By the time that happens, the Longhorns will have established their TV network and their dominance in the conference that they can invite 2 more schools in and pretty much tell them that you get to be in our conference, but you have to play by our rules.

by Aaron Musfeldt on Jun 16, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Texas doesn't care.

They are eating caviar, drinking champagne, and spitting all over the gracious peasants of the Big 12.

by golfballs03 on Jun 16, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Great article Will

It really is disappointing to hear this type of thing. College football is bigger than it has ever been but the Big 12 wants the easy way out. Too bad everyone can see through their charade and will now consider the Big 12 a second tier conference.

by B00NE on Jun 16, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe there's a reason their top teams keep losing

I mean, you keep playing a steady diet of mediocre teams, it’s hard to turn it on when it’s time to play a good team. I have lost any respect I once had for Texas – they are cowards. Not only do they fear a tough conference played on an even playing field, they have to remove one last hurdle from an already weakened conference. And don’t even look at their OOC schedule.

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by Poseur on Jun 16, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

TD bump! Nice article.

TD bump!

Nice article. I like the facts.

Nebraska was a huge slice of cfb prestige. Even CU had a national championship in the past 20 years (same as UTw & OU?).

by JuniperSprouts on Jun 16, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

seriously people....

if it were Tennessee none of you would have a problem with it. I would love to make a lot more money and make our schedule easier while still ensuring a nice path to the BCS. They were doing what was in their best interest

by golfballs03 on Jun 16, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagree

More money? Yes, absolutely. Would I want a weaker schedule? Absolutley not. There is a reason Neyland packs in more people against Florida & Alabama than UAB and UT Martin. Theres more excitement, more on the line, and thus more attention (plus all of that equals more money anyway). More risk of losing? Of course. But that makes the wins that much more of an accomplishment and thus much more satisfying.

The only way a conference championship game hurts a teams chances at the BCS is if they lose. But in reality, every game is a potential risk to a teams BCS chances. If thats the case, why not skip the regular season all together?

by Getoffmyvols on Jun 16, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would take more money and an easier path to the NC anyday

im sure Texas will really care what people think when they are getting on their jet to the National Championship

by golfballs03 on Jun 16, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure there are parts of all of us that would agree with that line of thinking

but if our coaches/admins decided to cancel the SEC Championship Game I would be heartbroken, and if they admitted the reason was because their teams were having a hard time winning it all because of it, I would be embarrassed. Thankfully, we don’t have that problem.

by Will Shelton on Jun 16, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

well hopefully, if they truly are undeserving

then they wouldn’t get to the national championship and none of this would really matter. it’s like, don’t hate the player, hate the game. The BCS is screwed up, and we’re just taking advantage.

by golfballs03 on Jun 17, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oklahoma, anyone?

Makes Teh Monies Throwing Down In The Blogosphere.

by bobothevol on Jun 17, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who cares......

I’m sure they won’t care when they are getting on their jet to go to the NC game. But I bet they will care after they get their ass kicked again by a SEC team!

by Big Daddy Vol on Jun 16, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

they will just be like Ohio State and make excuses! “if we didn’t have to play in the south we would have won those national championships” oh, wait…….

by golfballs03 on Jun 17, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was in their best interest, but I would have a problem if UT did something like this.

My problem would be that Texas has made the Big 12 an un-fun conference to watch for the foreseeable future. They used to be my favorite major conference (close to home while growing up) but I can’t see myself enjoying any of the games over the next couple years. 2010 will be all about CU/NU leaving and 2011 will be a reminder of what Texas has done to the place.

It’s just not going to be a conference worth watching.

by David Hooper on Jun 16, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be clear, I have no problem with them seeking more money.

I do have a problem when they use monopolistic practices to get there.

by David Hooper on Jun 16, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, they're going to a round-robin format.

So in essence, they’ve become the Pac-10 in terms of in-conference scheduling. So we won’t see any oddities like, say, two teams going undefeated in-conference because they never played each other, but there will be a champion who’s played everyone. On-field quality won’t be great, but it should be good unless recruiting tanks.

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by Chris Pendley on Jun 16, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

And here's my thing

if you come out and say “you know what, we’ve got 10 teams now, we just feel like a round-robin is the better (or even) more fair route to determine a champion.” then that’s fine. But when it’s being reported by numerous outlets that you don’t like the conf. championship game because you’re actually saying out loud that it costs your teams a shot at playing for the big prize (that they don’t deserve if they can’t win the conference), you’re inviting ridicule.

by Will Shelton on Jun 16, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

And how many PAC-10 teams have won a BCS championship (without cheating)?

by danmarcel on Jun 16, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Dan Beebe hosed something up?

That hasn’t happened at all in the last month. (The funny thing is they’ve made it harder on themselves in some respects to get bowl eligibility, since they’re adding a loss to half the teams.)

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by Chris Pendley on Jun 17, 2010 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more

As a Texas Aggie, it’s disappointing to see the new Big 12 weakened to such a state, and that Texas now runs roughshod over our conference. I was hoping we’d join you guys in SEC country to play with the best teams and see them visit Kyle. As mentioned by the article, one of the great things with the SEC deal is the revenue sharing, which makes EVERY team – even Vandy – competitive in your league.

Losing the conference championship game is going to hurt the Big 12 more than it realizes, as we find ourselves in the same position the Big 10 has the past few years. And I find myself disgusted that our conference now exists to serve the Longhorns.

by byxaggie00 on Jun 16, 2010 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Just Win

What a motivation to stick it to Texas-as if you need that. The more important element to making an even playing field is already in place. The reduction of scholarships. It could be argued that since Texas stays, some of those five star recruits might not be as enthused to play for the Longhorns in a smaller conference, making it harder for them to recruit. Who knows. Anyway, keep giving ’em hell Aggie.

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by Rocky Top on Jun 16, 2010 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice article, Will

...just apologize for not thanking me.

by kidbourbon on Jun 16, 2010 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Couple of points to clarify

Some Alabama folks have pointed out that in 1994, #3 Alabama was technically still alive in the National Championship race when they lost to Florida in the SECCG by one point. Bama would’ve needed to win and have both Nebraska and Penn State lose their bowl games while not getting passed by Miami (had they beaten Nebraska) – an extreme longshot, but it should still count, so that makes twice an SEC team has gone to the SECCG and lost while still technically alive for the National title.

This is not the case for #3 Georgia in 2002 (with undefeated Miami and Ohio State locked in to the title game the week before) or #3 LSU in 2005 (since undefeated Texas won the Big 12 Championship before the SECCG kicked off) – both of those teams were technically eliminated from the National Championship race when their respective SECCG kicked off.

by Will Shelton on Jun 17, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

So many things wrong with this commentary I don't know where to start...

1. The minor schools (KState, Iowa St, etc) in the Big 12 ARE NOT entitled to the forfeiture of funds by Nebraska and Colorado. The fact is that if Texas, OU and A&M hadn’t voted to stay in the conference, those minor schools would be getting LESS money than they are going to get from the current Big 12 structure because they would all have been relegated to lesser conferences with smaller tv contracts. Those minor schools are big winners in Texas keeping the conference together.

2. The push for A&M to go to the SEC was instigated by alum Gene Stallings. Stallings was in control of A&M’s future, not AD Bill Byrne. The response by A&M to the whole process was dysfuctional at best. When SEC commisioner Slive came to College Station last week to lure the Aggies, Bill Byrne was in Idaho at a family reunion. UTexas correctly surmised that backroom deals by A&M to go the SEC were going to lead to Texas getting publicly blamed for the demise of the Big 12. Also, A&M’s athletic department is operating in the red. The move by Texas to save the conference saved A&M’s ass by getting them more money to stay right were they were. But you won’t here any of that out of College Station.

3. Texas is quite aware that without a Big 12 championship game, the perception will be that the Texas/OU winner is always going to back into a possible national championship game by virtue of a weakened conference. Hence, high level negotiations are already in the mix for Texas to play a home and home series with Penn St, Georgia and Auburn. Texas isn’t afraid of playing anybody. They’ve actively attempted to play a home and home with Michigan in the past, but Michigan won’t bite because they’re afraid of playing a big game in the South in September, knowing that their players won’t be conditioned for the heat.

Finally, the whole idea that a school shouldn’t do what’s in it’s own best interest is just ludicrous. That was what Texas did in attempting to create it’s own tv network. It may or may not work but the powers that be in Austin are always going to do what’s better for Texas—as any school anywhere would do for itself.

by bravedaveo on Jun 19, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Big Bad Texas refuses to accept any special dispensation from the Big 12 regarding the money forfeited by Colorado and Nebraska.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/no-resolution-on-revenue-from-big-12-exits-754668.html

Of course, the Texas haters will never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

by bravedaveo on Jun 19, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

When this was written on Tuesday night

it was widely reported, including on the Texas Rivals’ site, that this wasn’t the case. If it’s changed now, good for Texas (and Oklahoma) for trying to balance things out regardless of the reasons why.

by Will Shelton on Jun 19, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can sell me on Texas' strong non-conference schedule when it actually happens

Last year you played Louisiana-Monroe, Wyoming, UTEP, and Central Florida. Before the Ohio State home and home, the last time Texas played a ranked non-conf opponent was 1998. I hope they do schedule up so everyone can avoid this argument of everyone thinking they backed in.

The point of this was that the Big 12 coaches/admins have actually said they don’t want to play the Big 12 title game because it costs their teams a shot at winning the National Championship, and history has proven that half of those teams didn’t deserve a shot to play for it anyway. And the reality is, Texas is the one school that could go anywhere they want…and they’ve chosen to stay in a weakened Big 12 and not play the conf. champ. game…until something better comes along. With or without the TV Network, it’s this “bigger than the system” mindset, combined with a weaker schedule, that makes me lose respect for Texas and the Big 12 as a whole.

by Will Shelton on Jun 19, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're in talks with Texas for a home-and-home??????

I was not aware of this… Says who?

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by AUshorecm on Jun 24, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree with the perception that Texas is doing what is good for Texas. I do disagree with the perception that everything that has gone down recently with the Big 12 is because Texas is acting like a diva and acting in their own interest at the cost of everyone else’s.

Texas has attempted to get a Big 12 Network brewing in the past but had problems with the other Big 12 schools to agree to specific provisions, thus leaving Texas to spend millions of dollars in the past three years in an attempt to create its own network. The decision last week to remain in the Big 12 was because it was in Texas’ best financial interest to do so.

In addition, Texas promised Oklahoma State that it would not leave them in a lurch early last week as negotiations progressed with the Pac 10. One unreported aspect of the whole Pac 10 negotiation is that the Pac 10 decided to rescind their invitation to Oklahoma St and replace them with Kansas. Texas AD Deloss Dodds was uncomfortable with that. Again, you’re not going to see that reported in the mainstream media because it doesn’t fit the story of Big Bad Texas running roughshod over their conference brethren.

I’m not going to argue the merits of not having a conference championship game because I think it’s too early to tell what the outcome of that will be. The conference was saved only 5 days ago. I know Texas is well aware of what the national perception is going to be if they don’t beef up their schedule.

Regarding their schedule, I know that you know that the non-conference schedule is made out years in advance. I’m not going to defend last year’s schedule. Other than Central Florida, it was putrid ( although I would point out that Wyoming is quite often on the Volunteers schedule).

But I think you cherry picked last year’s schedule. In the year’s immediately preceding last year Texas has played Ohio St, Arkansas and TCU. It’s not Texas’ fault that not all those teams were having up years when they played them. In addition Texas has a home and home scheduled with UCLA (another Volunteer favorite) and Ole Miss in the next four years. As I mentioned before, Texas is actively attempting to work out games with either Penn St, Georgia or Auburn in upcoming seasons. Again, I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with your premise regarding the schedule.

I know I’m not going to change your mind regarding your perception that Texas is acting like it’s bigger than the system. I think what they’re doing is what anybody in their position would do—exploit their inherent advantages and take do what is in the best interest—financial and otherwise—for their university.

Finally, although I am an alum of UTexas, I was brought up a Volunteer from birth (both parents were graduates of UTK—my mother being the second woman to ever receive a civil engineering degree from Tennessee). I know as well as you do that their is no better college football environment than an SEC game in Knoxville.

One other thing we definitely have in common—a well developed sense of disgust for USC and their coach.

Go Vols! and Hook’em!

by bravedaveo on Jun 19, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

The scheduling issue may be more of a matter of preference then

if Texas wants to continue to schedule teams like Arkansas and TCU and play regional opponents in the non-conf. Because Tennessee’s route has always been to schedule aggressively on a national level instead of going that route and playing Clemson, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, etc., we hold up that as the best way to do it. Would love for Tennessee and Texas to get together, especially if the Horns are looking at scheduling SEC teams besides Arkansas; had always heard that never happened because Phillip Fulmer and Mack Brown were good friends and didn’t want to cause the other trouble.

by Will Shelton on Jun 19, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

My nightmare scenario is...

…a Longhorn/Volunteer gridiron matchup. I get teased by family about what i would do. I would undoubtedly end up in the closet with a blanket pulled over my head.

Regarding the regional scheduling Mack has done: Father figure Darrell Royal has been adamantly opposed to playing Arkansas because of the leg up it gives the Hogs in Texas recruiting. He didn’t like playing TCU either. It’s the only time that I know of that Mack has crossed Darrell since he got to Austin.

I would much rather see Texas schedule nationally as Tennessee does. UCLA and Ole Miss are a step in the right direction.

by bravedaveo on Jun 19, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

insufferable creature (good one)

as an “alabama-when-they’re-winning” fan i couldnt agree more with this article. speaking of insufferable creatures, good luck lane kiffin. welcome to bama’s nightmare usc, you’re screwed for probably a decade, haha!!!

by thecla5h on Jun 21, 2010 3:10 AM EDT reply actions  

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