More Details On Tennessee's Bar Brawl
by Joel Hollingsworth on Jul 15, 2010 6:26 AM EDT
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Print- The latest report on the bar fight involving several Volunteer players reveals that Da'Rick Rogers allegedly assaulted a guy at Bar Knoxville, but that the victim declined to prosecute. The guy had reportedly tried to "detain [Rogers] for another assault that had taken place on the sidewalk" and Rogers "pushed him and attempted to hit him while attempting to stop Rogers from leaving." Rogers said he'd been pepper sprayed inside and couldn't see "who was trying to get him." The pepper spray might also explain the resisting arrest charge: "While trying to detain Rogers, officers briefly struggled with him, but (he) was later taken into custody without further incident." Or maybe it doesn't explain it. And none of that really explains why he'd been pepper sprayed inside, although the most reasonable explanation is because he was fighting. Still no news on the identity of the guy who kicked an unconscious off-duty police officer.
- ESPN Insider's 2010 Blue Ribbon Preview of Tennessee is out, if you have access. Actually, it's out even if you don't have access, but in that case, it's just screaming elitist things at you from behind a shoji screen.
- Wayne Chism, on trying to make the Sacramento Kings roster:
Chism's backup plan is Turkey, and already has a provisional agreement in place with . . . deep breath . . . Antalya Buyuksehir Belediyesi Spor Kulubu (how do you fit that on a jersey?)
Chest bump to golfballs03 for the find. Also, check out Sactown Royalty, SB Nation's Kings blog. - As we said a couple of days ago, folks in the know are high on Matt Simms and in awe of his arm strength and spiral. He's also used his summer well to learn the playbook:
"It's been different because in the spring, it was kind of like I just wanted people to believe in me even though I didn't really know what I was doing," Simms said. "Now, finally I know what I'm doing. So, really you should listen to me because I've got a better grasp of what's going on. You can ask all the coaches and all the players, I've definitely made a huge leap this summer, and that was my goal just to become more accurate with the football, better decision-making and to be quick but not to hurry.
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So some random dude grabs Rogers to "detain him" (citizen's arrest!!!!)
And when Rogers reacted to said random dude grabbing him, THAT is the assault?
Great reporting there, KNS. No wonder your paper is only good to start fires with.
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Stupid doesn't burn unfortunately
So you would just be wasting processed trees.
Maybe it was these guys that grabbed Da’Rick
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KNS's coverage of this incident has been predictably embarrassing
Getting scooped at every turn. I can understand Chris Low getting better stories (and faster) because he’s been doing it for years. But – and no offense to Wes Rucker, who is an excellent reporter – the freaking Chattanooga paper should NOT be scooping our local paper on UT sports.
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I always wondered about that
But Rucker’s actually in Knoxville, so he’s close to the action as well.
by Joel Hollingsworth on Jul 15, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I know that, but I don't care
People from out-of-town papers – especially smaller papers from smaller towns – shouldn’t be scooping Knoxville’s paper on UT sports no matter where they live. If Wes Rucker gets all the good stories, then KNS should offer him more money than the TFP.
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Meh
So Knoxville has 19,000 people on us. Big deal. ;-)
Side note: I wonder if college populations are included in census numbers?
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That's cute
Not sure where they get their numbers from, but I guess people can make up websites to say anything.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau , the populations within the city limits are over 27,000 people apart. But using the populations within the city limits is a little disingenuous, don’t you think? The metro Knoxville area has about 200,000 more people than the metro Chattanooga area.
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I'm not sure the attitude was necessary
I just google it right quick. Sorry I didn’t get the proper source for you, but, according to your link, the metro (county) difference is 97,000. Not 200,000.
In any case, my point was that Chattanooga isn’t all that small actually and our newspaper is one of the oldest and more presitgious in the state. Just ask UT grad Adolph Ochs
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Attitude?
Just meeting snark with snark.
As for Metro population, I didn’t mean simply Knox County vs. Hamilton. The Census tracks metropolitan areas as well. Knoxville’s is much bigger than Chattanooga’s.
Chattanooga is a fine city and I am sure the TFP is a fine paper. But it shouldn’t be scooping UT’s hometown paper on UT sports stories unless such stories are taking place in Chattanooga.
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I guess you didn't see the
;-)
In my post. I was not intending to be snarky. i thought the winkie would convey that.
Please define metro for me then, because everywhere I’ve seen that indicates county.
Link the metro numbers please. I’m interested to see how that’s calculated.
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You are right
Metro means city limits + county.
And remember, as much as you hate to admit it, “Chattanooga” includes the North Georgia and Alabama areas as well. Those are not included in any of those “metro” numbers.
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Shhhh
I would rather be wrong than admit that.
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What we need to see are the two paper's circulation numbers
But those are not as easy to find.
That would help explain the difference in quality of coverage.
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Metro
Metro Chattanooga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattanooga_metropolitan_area (“The Chattanooga Metropolitan Statistical Area, as defined by the United States Census Bureau, is an area consisting of six counties – three in southeast Tennessee (Hamilton, Marion, and Sequatchie) and three in northwest Georgia (Catoosa, Dade, and Walker) – anchored by the city of Chattanooga. As of the 2000 census, the MSA had a population of 476,531 (though a July 1, 2009 estimate placed the population at 524,303).”)
Metro Knoxville: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Metropolitan_Area (“The metropolitan area population recorded in the 2000 Census was 616,079. The U.S. Census Bureau estimate of the 2008 population is 691,152, making it the 73rd largest metropolitan statistical area in the United States.”)
I realize Wikipedia is not the greatest source in the world, but I would imagine those figures would be pretty easy to confirm at the “official” sites.
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Well
I guess I stand corrected then.
I agree with your statment about the TFP scooping KNS btw, and I know I always come off as a smart-ass, but I really didn’t intend any snark.
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No offense taken
Snark is fine with me. I don’t consider “snark” and “smart-ass” to be the same thing. And you weren’t being a smart ass.
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I don't even think we were arguing the same thing.
None of that has to do with newspaper circulation.
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Circulation
KNS: 100,441(126,527 Sunday)
TFP: 76,526 (97,729 SUnday)
http://abcas3.accessabc.com/ecirc/newstitlesearchus.asp
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But regardless of circulation...
How many people does the TFP have covering UT sports? To my knowledge, only Wes Rucker is doing it from Knoxville.
Now, how many people does the KNS have covering UT sports? (all from Knoxville.)
Again, Wes Rucker is great, and I am sure the TFP is a fine publication with lots of fine Chattanoogans reading it. But the KNS should be embarrassed that it CONSTANTLY gets scooped by numerous sources including the TFP. Chris Low, I could handle when he was with the Tennessean. Even though it still seemed ridiculous that he would have better sources, I could understand that he was at a much bigger newspaper with a lot more resources. But Wes Rucker has been doing this (at a smaller paper) for how long? And he is already more reliable for UT sports coverage than anyone at the KNS?
I just find that embarrassing for the KNS. And it’s not just their sports coverage that is this way.
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I agree with all that for sure.
And Wes Rucker is the only UT writer for the TFP.
They have another beat writer who covers Georgia and Alabama.
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Yeah
The Bama beat guy gets his own edition though because he has to use those huge tablets from elementary school so the bammers can read it.
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by VolBrian on Jul 15, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank heaven for Wes Rucker
or we would know even less…
Isn't Austin Ward is the beat writer for KNS?
Is he related to Josh Ward?
The guy who now writes for UTSports… didn’t he used to be the old beat writer? Drew Rutherford? I think he was better wasn’t he?
Drew Edwards
Is who you’re thinking of.
by Joel Hollingsworth on Jul 15, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
As I asked earlier, I wonder if college campus populations are included in census numbers as UT’s is 28,000 according to wikipedia.
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I doubt it
Typically censuses ask for permanent residents, don’t they? I think when I was in college (out-of-state) my parents still claimed me as living there.
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It does include students
It’s kind of like counting prison populations. even though they technically aren’t a permanent resident they still get counted for that location.
by golfballs03 on Jul 15, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
That's it man.
DON’T RUN DOWN C-TOWN!
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Pepper spray non-directional
Pepper Spray is like any other airborn particulate. It isn’t a lazer beam, it disperses in the air, a lot like spray paint, and even small concentrations can cause watering of the eyes and blurred vision.
Not to mention if there is a giant brawl going on, the odds of the person using the spray hitting their target are pretty slim. It’s not really logical to assume that everybody who got hit with the spray was fighting.
That said, Da’Rick’s story of being the peace maker is looking a bit less likely if he was being combative with others outside. Even if he was maced I’m not so sure taking a swing at somebody is really indicative behavior of someone who is just trying to break things up.
by Prometheus1185 on Jul 15, 2010 10:21 AM EDT reply actions
Re: Da'Rick outside the bar
We don’t know what really happened, but speaking personally, if there is a fight going on and I am anywhere close, whether or not I am involved, don’t expect me to just hug you if you try to “detain” me for any reason. I can’t blame Da’Rick for reacting violently to that when I know I would do the same thing.
That being said…..Rogers could have easily been the instigator of the whole thing. We don’t have any idea.
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That's what we need
pepper spray in lazer form
by Will Shelton on Jul 15, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
what about those little hand held sprayers
doesn’t it just squirt out straight?
by golfballs03 on Jul 15, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Kind of
But you know those bar bouncers aren’t just spraying it straight. I am sure they were spraying the whole crowd.
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Meh
In my experience, it’s a lot like spray paint. You point and depress and about 80% of the paint goes on the intended surface the other 20% ends up floating off to somewhere else. The 80/20 model might be a little off, but from what I’ve mostly heard and sort of seen, a lot of pepper spray used indoors generally results in everybody weeping. No idea if that’s what happened here or not, just saying it doesn’t necessarily mean that Da’Rick got maced intentionally.
Also, I agree with what you said about Da’Rick outside the bar. Hard to say what was going on in a situation like that and what’s going through his mind other than adrenaline. I still consider them all responsible, just for being there, and hope Dooley has them leaving their stomach contents on the practice field for the next few weeks, but you’re right he may still have been restraining people or whatever.
by Prometheus1185 on Jul 15, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And the goodish news!
Just for a change of pace:
Good luck Wayne! He was never one of my favorite players at UT but he’s a Vol and I’d love to see him in the NBA!
by Prometheus1185 on Jul 15, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If Chism plays with Antalya Buyuksehir Belediyesi Spor Kulubu...
I’ll just refer to them as ABB$K.
by David Hooper on Jul 15, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Turkish version of P90X - Abdominal session: ABB$K
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by memphispete on Jul 16, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one that notices the irony of
DeMarcus Cousins and Chism playing on the same summer league team?
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by WhiteWinterHymnal on Jul 16, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions
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