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Troy is burning: Pete Carroll is the new Helen and Kiffin is left holding the bill.

I was perusing some college football articles today when I came across this article talking about the sanctions at USC and the role arrogance played written by Dan Wetzel. He speaks in the article about the recent changing of the guard at USC, with new University President Max Nikias in charge and old Athletic Director Mike Garrett being booted out in favor of former star quarterback and Rhodes Scholar Pat Haden.

In case you hadn't heard, the University will be returning Reggie Bush's Heisman Trophy to the Heisman trust, and will be removing all imagery of Bush and O.J. Mayo from school property. But who is really going to be the goat in all this?

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Well looks like it will be Lane "Judas" Kiffin who ends up shouldering all the fallout. A quote from Wetzel's article:

The tough stuff comes now. The adults are in. New coach Lane Kiffin is dealing with potentially crippling sanctions and a new AD with whom he’d appear to have nothing in common. Haden is a mature and educated man whose focus is ethics and says his life has been guided by never wanting to do anything that would embarrass his now late mother. Kiffin is a brash, foot-in-the-mouth, secondary-violation machine.

"I think so," Haden said on ESPN when asked if Kiffin was the right guy for USC, about as un-ringing of an endorsement as you’ll hear. Haden then went on to praise the way rivals Stanford and Notre Dame do business.

Kiffin hasn’t even coached a game and must already be wishing he was back on ol’ Rocky Top. Trojan players are staring at a two-year bowl ban. Garrett has two weeks to clean out the office. Bush is too humiliated to show up for a fan chat.

So let's check the scoreboard of the parties involved:

The University of Southern California football program loses 30 scholarships, receives a 2 year bowl ban, forfeits a national title, must give back Bush's Heisman, and must cut all ties with 2 of its most distinguished alumni. They will also watch many of their prized recruits go elsewhere, as well as current players transfer to other schools without penalty. That's the bad news. The good news, for USC, is that long term they will be okay. They now have what appears to be a new era beginning in their athletic department that will foster winners based on integrity instead of entitlement. They also are beginning to admit all of the things surrounding this who scenario hoping to gain some scholarships back in their appeals process.

Reggie Bush takes a huge hit to his popularity with his former Alma Mater and in theory has lost his Heisman Trophy. However, he has already made millions of dollars in the NFL, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. So, long term, he will not be hurting, except when he tries to teach his kids one day about ethics.

O.J. Mayo takes the same hit to popularity back at USC, maybe a little less so, but gets to make tons of money in the NBA, paralleling Bush's earnings in the NFL. He also faces the same long term consequences as Bush, but not monetarily.

Pete Carroll skips town before the whole thing blows up, even though he was the general in charge when it all went down. He signs a lucrative deal to be the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, and then acts surprised when he is asked about all the sanctions being imposed on USC. Some USC fans chastise him for eternity as being a traitor to the program, while most of them put the blinders on and continue to revere him as the greatest coach in southern Cal history.

And now... for Lane Kiffin. This requires a bulleted list:

  • Was on staff at USC during during Bush's tenure, and therefore is guilty at least by association.
  • Was hired by an atheletic director that has now been fired (Mike Garrett) and replaced with a USC hero and rhodes scholar Pat Haden, who has been charged with building a winning program with an emphasis on following the rules.
  • Kiffin doesn't know what a rule or a rulebook is and has to try and build said winning program under the hinderance of having lost all the scholarships and eligibility outlined above in my piece about USC.
  • Kiffin is on his third head coaching job in three years, on a contract drawn up under supervision of the old Athletic Director, and being compensated $4,000,000 a year to "win at all costs"... or so he thought.

In conclusion... Lane Kiffin is totally...

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Mike Garrett has been a lame-duck AD all year. The search for the new football staff after Pete left was headed by two long-time members of the board of trustees, Ed Roski and . . . Pat Haden.

Cheers.

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by RabbitSC on Jul 21, 2010 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

If Kiffin and Orgeron are there recruiting, it's a good thing Pat Haden is a lawyer

More seriously, he is a great choice. Garrett oozed sleaze to those of us far away from the program – like he would pair well with Calipari as AD. Haden’s always done a nice job on the TV commentating – comes across as honest and intelligent. He’s obviously done a lot for USC – Board, etc.

COEXISTence is difficult when core beliefs are mutually exclusive and those on the other side keep blowing up buildings, people, etc.

Muhammed sez: "Don't Lase Me Bro!"

by memphispete on Jul 22, 2010 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Haden and Kiffin

will work out fine. Pat is a great choice for the new AD, and since he was behind the scenes on the Kiffin hire; he will hit the ground running. New President, AD, Head Coach; time for us to move on. Good Luck in your coming season. As we like to say at SC, FIGHT ON!

by WE ARE SC on Jul 22, 2010 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude

You were just visited by the Ghost of Sanctions Present and the Ghost of Sanctions Past. I think I’d pay attention to the Ghost of Sanctions Future if I were you. Wake up, buy a big turkey, and fire the guy before you end up on double secret probation for the rest of eternity.

by danmarcel on Jul 22, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sounds

like we’re not the only ones that should be moving on. Good luck on your season.

by WE ARE SC on Jul 23, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have moved on, but we recognize your state of denial. We've been there.

Choose to ignore the warnings at your own peril.

Signed,
Volunteer Victim

COEXISTence is difficult when core beliefs are mutually exclusive and those on the other side keep blowing up buildings, people, etc.

Muhammed sez: "Don't Lase Me Bro!"

by memphispete on Jul 23, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Denial?

No, I get it. You don’t like Lane, and you feel victimized. OK, that’s fair. Addressing your bulleted list.
1 The NCAA made no mention of Kiffin in the report; guilt?
2 Pat was behind the Kiffin Hire
3 I’ll ignore the insult about the rule book, and agree the sanctions will make building a successful program more difficult
4 If USC wants to pay Lane 4 million WTF is the problem? It’s their money. I am excited by the Pat Haden hire; but I disagree with your characterization character assassination of Mike Garret. Mike served the University for 17 years and moved many of the programs forward. He deserves and has the respect of the Trojan Nation. He’s one of ours; your entitled to your opinion as I am to say it is BS.

I wish you and the Volunteer Program the best of luck and success in the future.

by WE ARE SC on Jul 23, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just for fun, since you are over here and I'm not stirring things up on your site, let's address your rebuttal

Ed Orgeron has had a book written about his grey-area recruiting (Meat Market) and the smoke around him is enough for more than a few secondary violations…just like his boss, Lane Kiffin. If you want to limit your defense to, “Kiffin wasn’t named specifically in the indictment on this particular investigation, so therefore he must never have done anything wrong”, then I’d like to introduce you to another university that has that same mantra going regarding their basketball coach. Here’s a hint: he’s left vacated wins all over the place and the school wears a lot of blue.

Pat Haden is a fine man. If he’s behind the Lane Kiffin hire, he’s made a rare error in judgment. I expect that his use of lawyerin’ skills is going to be put to the test. Maybe time will prove me wrong – but I don’t think Kiffin OR HIS STAFF will change their stripes overnight.

USC has generally had a fine program. You have one of our own as your basketball coach, so there’s a connection between the programs. Pete Carroll was a great representative for the university and achieved tremendous success.

I really don’t care about the money being paid to Lane. I never mentioned it. Now that you bring it up, I think you could do a lot better for $4M, but that’s your gig. No need to swear.

Mike Garret came across as extremely poorly in his reaction to the NCAA investigation to those of us outside Southern California. Perhaps it was a series of one-sided reports designed to take him down. Perhaps you have a history with him that we can’t appreciate. Still, he was fired for allowing all this to happen under his watch and his ineptitude in handling the aftermath, so my perception can’t be complete BS as he is out of a job.

I do think you are in a bit of pro-Kiffin denial. As I said, we have seen the signs because we lived it.

Not close enough to your program to know who was responsible for recruiting the players who disgraced the university. Just know some of what Ed and Lane did while they were here. USC will take a hit for a few years and then be back on top. California is too talent-rich and the USC tradition is too rich not to allow USC to succeed again.

Wish you well.

The COEXIST bumper sticker is ridiculous. How are people supposed to get along when one side is flying planes into tall buildings or wearing sweater vests full of C4 and nails? The faiths are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

by memphispete on Jul 23, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry

I don’t mean to stir things up so I’ll let this dog lie. I was replying to a bulleted list that seems to have been taken down. I am pro Kiffin; because he is our HC and I really don’t have a lot of choice. We do know Lane he was here for five years before he left for Oakland/UT and I am optimistic. Coach O was here before Pete, we know him well. Again sorry if offended you. Thanks for the well wishes; same to you.

by WE ARE SC on Jul 23, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I must appologize. The butteted list is in the main article; not your comments. My bad, again many regrets

by WE ARE SC on Jul 23, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

To WE ARE SC...

I see you have addressed some of the bullet points in my piece above, and for the most part, we will need to agree to disagree. We are just fundamentally on different grounds.

We at UT are highly pessimistic about Judas Kiffin because we have seen all the secondary violations he can attract, as well as the fact that it clearly doesn’t take much for him to just pack up and leave a program in the dust. He now has enough money that even if he never gets another job, he will never want for anything.

You on the other hand are optimistic, because you did see some improvement ON THE FIELD at UT. There is no doubt that he was able to do more with what he was given than any of us could have imagined. But look at where that “talent” has landed us… we have had numerous arrests off campus involving poor decisions of UT players, mostly in his recruiting class. This is something USC cannot afford at this junction. Will USC fans be able to accept in some cases lower talent in favor of better citizens? Will they be able to tolerate a few years of losing before Kiffin is ousted? Only time will tell.

Also… I harp on his $4 million dollar price tag because he has done little to prove that he is worth that kind of money.

Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers

by Tater596 on Jul 26, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

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