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What Should Dooley Do About Reports He's Been Lying?

On the heels of last season's Rumspringa, the pellet gun and Prius incident, the New Year's Day incident for the basketball team, and last month's bar brawl, we've done a great deal of talking about character here on Rocky Top, and for good reason. Everybody wants to win, but few want to win at all costs, and frankly, we have a reputation to rehabilitate.

The hiring of Derek Dooley was heralded as a solid first step in the right direction, what with his repeated emphasis on character, class, and integrity in his introductory press conference. He's continued to emphasize that theme throughout his short tenure here, bringing Nick Reveiz, Chris Walker, and Luke Stocker -- three guys with spotless reputations -- to SEC Media Days. His recruiting to date has focused largely on character, sometimes at the expense of stars. And he's apparently been interested first in how a person conducts himself and second how that person can help the team win even prior to coming to Tennessee, as the first 45 minutes of his interview with Terry Joseph for a spot at Louisiana Tech didn't even touch on football.

I get the feeling that most Vol fans are on board with all of that in light of our current circumstance, although we know that at the end of the day he's going to have to win as well. Character counts.

One of the greatest challenges of playing the point in such a public stand is that you have to be above reproach or you risk losing credibility by being vulnerable to claims of hypocrisy. It's probably unfair -- no one is perfect -- but it's the way that it is, and Derek Dooley has been the target of such claims the past several days.

Late last week, ESPN's Joe Schad had this to say about Bryce Brown's leaving Tennessee:

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But Arthur Brown said reports that Bryce has not met with Dooley recently are inaccurate.

"Bryce met with Coach Dooley on Saturday for about 30 minutes and Dooley asked him not to tell anyone they talked," Arthur Brown said. "I'm really not sure why."

Dooley acknowleged he met with Brown on Saturday but said he was not asked for a release.

Arthur Brown also said his son, one of the nation's top recruits entering last season, did not ask Dooley for a release at that meeting. This week Dooley said that the reason Bryce has not been released is because he "has not come to me, looked me in the eye and said, 'I want a release.'"

Arthur Brown said that's because he has repeatedly told Dooley since April that he has wanted his son released from his scholarship.

That article was read by some (and you can see why) as evidence of Dooley's deception about meeting with Brown.

And today, Inside Tennessee has an article containing similar allegations from recently departed Nick Lamaison:

"There was a report in the media saying that [Dooley] never met with me and I had never met with him," Lamaison said. "That's 100 percent false. I specifically remember talking to him several days after the spring game. I told him all the reasons why I wanted to transfer. I also met with my offensive coordinator (Jim Chaney) on several occasions regarding my transfer, along with my quarterback coach (Darin Hinshaw)."

I really haven't analyzed all of the statements or the time lines in either the Brown or Lamaison case. I don't specifically recall what Dooley's said about either of the meetings or when he said them. Just looking at the quotes in the ESPN article about Brown, though, you can see why people would think there's some deception involved, but you can also read all of the quotes as being entirely consistent with each other although offered in sort of a spirit of disagreement. Dooley was wanting a meeting with Bryce during which he asked for a release. He got the meeting, but not the request because Bryce himself didn't ask for a release. Bryce's father didn't dispute that Bryce didn't ask for a release; he just said that the family has repeatedly done so.

None of that matters much, though, because there is a growing perception over the past several days that Dooley hasn't been telling the truth about his meetings with his players. Despite the fact that people say it all the time, perception actually isn't reality. It is, however, very important, especially when it's directly contrary to the values you're attempting to instill into a program that desperately needs it.

Maybe it doesn't matter. Perhaps Dooley is satisfied that he's told both of these guys and their families the truth, and he simply doesn't want to get into what would probably be an extended dialog about who said what and when and to whom it was said. Perhaps he feels there are better ways -- like preparing the players still on the team to play well a month from now -- to wash away an incorrect and negative perception.

But maybe it does matter, and maybe it matters a lot because the guy demanding integrity from his followers better have it himself. Me, I'm giving Dooley the benefit of the doubt here, but I'd sure love to hear him refute the allegations that he's been less than truthful to Brown and Lamaison. 

What do y'all think? Are you bothered by the reports of Dooley's untruthfulness, and what would you like for him to do about it?

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I think he should handle this similar to how he handled the allegations that he was going to have a strict policy regarding alumni access to the athletic department.

Not that he needs to go on a tirade and try to make the media look foolish for running these stories, but he needs to make clear that his policy on closed door meetings with players is that these meetings are exactly that, closed door. If the conversation is meant to be private theres no need to announce that there was even a meeting in the first place, because it opens the door to speculation, rumor, & accusations. As much as we’ve gotten used to knowing a lot more than we need to about what is going on with these players lives, theres a lot that we really don’t need to know. Conversations between the players family and the coach about the direction of the players education are, to be quite honest, none of our business.

Bring it across, shape it down

by Getoffmyvols on Aug 2, 2010 7:58 AM EDT reply actions  

this

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by VolBrian on Aug 2, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good points, but...

If he thinks it’s none of our business, he should say so or say some variation of “no comment.” I don’t like the idea of him lying to us and/or the media. And frankly, lawyerly wordplay (“technically what I said was all consistent with the truth”) doesn’t make me feel a lot better about it.

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by birdjam on Aug 2, 2010 8:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree

He has to realize that unfortunatley he doesn’t have 100% control of the information that is released about his program. Unfortunatley the media/rumor circuit is a beast that can’t be stopped and he’ll just end up getting burned if he tries.

Its like a great playmaker, you can’t stop him, you can only hope to contain him.

Bring it across, shape it down

by Getoffmyvols on Aug 2, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't believe any of the Browns.

Official MCM Hater!

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by gramsey712 on Aug 2, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Dooley

apparently confirmed Mr. Brown’s story of the meeting on Saturday, as well as the content discussed. Also, keep in mind that Dooley said that Bryce hadn’t asked him for a release — Arthur Brown also confirmed this, as I recall reading.

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by bobothevol on Aug 2, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

P.S. Who cares!!!!!!!

Let the man coach his Football Team! We dont need Brown anyway! Let’s get ready for some “FOOTBALL”……“Go Vols”….FUBAR, FUBAR, FUBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! " ON THE BROWN BAR"…….GO VOL’S

by Wayne A.Bolton on Aug 2, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

He is a Lawyer

I do think it is a little concerning that he is apparently (emphasis on this word) being hypocritical on “integrity” and such things he is “trying to instill” into this program. I don’t think we should put blind trust into this man (like many of us did with Kiffin) just because he is our coach. He needs to be up front and honest if that is how he wants his players to be, and he is not doing that (based on him telling people there was no meeting, then rescinding that comment once it came out that he indeed did hold a meeting).

I do have to give him kudos for holding his position on transfers though. I am sick and tired of athletes thinking that can do whatever they want because they are above the team and the game. I hope more coaches begin to put these kids (and even professionals) in their place (a la Albert Haynesworth). I think it is entirely ridiculous that these kids are getting millions of dollars before stepping on an NFL field, and once they have these dollars, they continue to threaten holdouts and such if they don’t get paid even more money.

Anyway, off my soapbox… :)

by Jonathan McCarter on Aug 2, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

It concerns me.

This is not something we need swirling around at this point. Dooley is smart enough to know he is living in a glass house — especially with the character and integrity emphasis he has put on the program. I, like Joel, am giving him the benefit of the doubt but I also think there should be some sort of clarification. If I had something concrete to ease my mind, that would be sweet. But, if there is no explanation, I will defer to Dooley on this. However, I do not want to get into the habit of blindly doing so. I hope there are no more similar stories. All that said, practice starts this week and we’ve got football soon!!! I have had it with this stupid offseason. Let’s just play football!

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by mike2ray on Aug 2, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Has Dooley actually made the statement "I have not had a meeting with Bryce Brown"

Or is this all media inference and taking the word of Daddy?

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by gramsey712 on Aug 2, 2010 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I think he made such a statement specifically about that supposed Monday meeting.

(Or was it Tuesday?) Whichever day that Brown texted him. But nobody asked about a Saturday meeting at that point in time, either.

by David Hooper on Aug 2, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what do we want him to apologize for?

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by gramsey712 on Aug 2, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't figured out my opinion yet.

But perhaps for underestimating just how touchy everybody is on the words/actions of the football head coach.

by David Hooper on Aug 2, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

For telling Luke that Vader killed his father

His “what I told you was true… from a certain point of view” explanation was just lawyer-speak for, “OK, I lied.”

His suggestion that they replace Dagobah’s swamps with astroturf was a smokescreen.

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by birdjam on Aug 2, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shields-Watkins Field grass says:

/Yoda voice/ “slimy? mudhole? my home this is.”

/star wars nerd/

thanks to denial, i'm immortal

by thetennesseethumper on Aug 3, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looks clear-cut and dry to me...

Lamaison was released because he did all the things right. HE talked to his coaches and verbalized his desire to transfer. Sounds like Daddy Brown is trying to do all of the talking/brokering on his son’s behalf. It’s time for Bryce to act like a man and to start dealing with his issues himself. I’ll guarantee that IF Bryce goes to his coaches and makes his wishes known face-to-face, then his wishes will be granted.

Regardless of the who-met-with-whom, when, and wheres, I applaud CDD for dealing specifically with his players and not the players’ families.

by Aerobab on Aug 2, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Lamaison

Was not given release to transfer, I didn’t think?

Eric Berry Eats Landsharks For Breakfast.

by bobothevol on Aug 2, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least it was his dad and not his agent... Oh, wait.

The COEXIST bumper sticker is ridiculous. How are people supposed to get along when one side is flying planes into tall buildings or wearing sweater vests full of C4 and nails? The faiths are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

by memphispete on Aug 3, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is ridiculous

Had Dooley just said “no comment” then everyone would be complaining that our coach is too reclusive. Not every move within the program needs to be aired to the public. We don’t have a right to all of that info. Dooley was simply trying to keep things secretive, which is what we need at UT.

by B00NE on Aug 2, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not bothered in the least

We’re still in the dog-days of summer and the media has been trying to drum up any football-related story since the last whistle blew in the Super Bowl in February. And as far as the potential “lying” goes, I really have to ask myself what Dooley would gain by fibbing in this situation? I feel like the Browns might be trying to win the battle of pubic support by attempting to smear CDD. You know they have to be pretty steamed about the current situation.

So Sayth King Zach I

by kingofzachland on Aug 2, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Since the Super Bowl?

You mean we weren’t all glued to the Pro Bowl?

/snicker

by David Hooper on Aug 2, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, yes it was

And even if it had not been, my previous statement would have applied. :)

So Sayth King Zach I

by kingofzachland on Aug 2, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOMEN'S Olympic Curling!

Even better. Paired with the World Cup this offseason has been much more tolerable.

So Sayth King Zach I

by kingofzachland on Aug 2, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ratings were high because some of the curlers were easy on the eyes

Part of that we just the surprise factor.

Frankly, we expected most of the the female curlers to look like,

well,

Hooper.

(especially those countries with lots of vowels in funny places)

The COEXIST bumper sticker is ridiculous. How are people supposed to get along when one side is flying planes into tall buildings or wearing sweater vests full of C4 and nails? The faiths are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

by memphispete on Aug 3, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Part of the WAS just the surprise factor"

The COEXIST bumper sticker is ridiculous. How are people supposed to get along when one side is flying planes into tall buildings or wearing sweater vests full of C4 and nails? The faiths are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

by memphispete on Aug 3, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't too long ago that you would have been right.

It was only in the 90s or so that curlers really started taking fitness seriously on a large scale. Until then, most of them looked like city league bowlers.

But it’s strange to realize that I can say “Madeleine DuPont” and most people actually still know who I’m talking about. (I didn’t know who she was before the Olympics either.)

by David Hooper on Aug 3, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Give me a break!

Brown is a decent player, but lost all credibility when he didn’t show up for spring. i think Kitten promised to pay him off and that fell through when Kitten jumped ship. As for Lamaison, its obvious he wont be able to cut it in the D1 ranks, so maybe he should start a flag football team in Canada. Who cares about either of these Yahoos? And why is SI reporting on this when UT just signed two 3 star recruits in the last week. And as for Brown sending the text message to Dooley… with him p’ing away a chance to play at UT and get a serious look from the pros, i cant believe he’s smart enough too text!

by OrangeGonnaRiseAgain on Aug 2, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously doubt...

he was intended to be paid… he was intended to have the starting TB job handed to him on a silver platter, which changed when Dooley showed up. His dad, and handler, saw their chance to make a killing off this kid disintegrating… so they pushed him and his brother towards K-State where they can exercise more control over their careers and practically guarantee both of them starting roles.

by Caban on Aug 2, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't KSU's Running Back

win Freshman of the Year last year in the Big XII?

Eric Berry Eats Landsharks For Breakfast.

by bobothevol on Aug 2, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a TAMU guy.

Christine Michael

A K-State RB did win Offensive Newcomer of the Year, but he was a junior. I think he transferred from JUCO.

And he was forced to give up the award this summer as a part of K-State’s tithe to Texas.

by David Hooper on Aug 2, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

little g, little o, little d

Even though “they ain’t nothin’ little in Texasssss, pardner”

The COEXIST bumper sticker is ridiculous. How are people supposed to get along when one side is flying planes into tall buildings or wearing sweater vests full of C4 and nails? The faiths are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

by memphispete on Aug 3, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aahh, gotchya, gotchya,

So by the time the KSU Running Back will be out-the-door, Bryce Brown will be elligable to play.

Eric Berry Eats Landsharks For Breakfast.

by bobothevol on Aug 3, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think this

is simply a product of the recent stuff that has surrounded the program. I mean, I can understand the sensitivity about character, integrity and the like but I think this is just a bored media, trying to continue to write about UT. If Dooley is indeed lying, or being a bit deceptive, it certainly wouldn’t seem to be in line with a lot of what he has said, but I’ll go ahead and just chalk this one up to the emotions, and comments of kids who have no desire to play at UT anymore. I think Dooley’s intentions are good, but he needs to be careful how much he tries to use wordplay, especially with the spotlight that is UT football right now.

by Cardsfan25 on Aug 2, 2010 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Twice now Bryce has not been nice

Atlanta Sports Radio brought this up today and I was surprised that a couple of the DJs sided with Dooley, which they have been very quick to throw both Fulmer and especially Kiffin under the bus in the past. I don’t think the specifics matter here, and I think that is how Dooley is looking at it. He has the three rules when he considers a transfer and Bryce has not followed them. For Bryce, who I thought was a pretty good kid, his problem is he did not want to follow them, and for that Dooley is making an example out of him. I truly believe if Bryce had come to Dooley and “looked him in the eye” we wouldn’t be talking about this and Bryce would be granted his transfer.

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by Rocky Top on Aug 2, 2010 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

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