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Bar Knoxville: Truth and Consequences

In my younger days in the public school system in the state of Tennessee, we used to take TCAP achievement tests at the end of the year (do kids still take these?  do they still call them that?).  I'd always love it when the multiple choice reading comprehension and/or word problem section included special option D:  "Not enough information."  When in doubt, that was always the right answer.

In the recently insane world of Tennessee Athletics, I'd also consider last year to be my younger days, because being a fan of this program has put some gray hairs on all of us in the last couple of years.  I remember having a new coach that we were still getting to know, who said and did some things that caused us to rally to his defense before he'd even coached a single game.  And we did, passionately so.  I now recognize that same passion when I see Kentucky fans defend John Calipari or USC fans defend the same guy.  Even Calipari and Kiffin are right sometimes, but for many - not all, but many - whether the coach is right or wrong is a secondary concern.  We defend our coaches because they're our coaches.  And we see right and wrong through that lens.

Tennessee has one again found herself in need of defense this offseason, this time not because of what the head coach said, but what the players did.  When the Bar Knoxville incident happened on July 9, Derek Dooley came home early from vacation, quickly dismissed Darren Myles and suspended Greg King and Marlon Walls.  This move was almost unanimously applauded, both for its speed and for its weight:  Myles was expected to be a major contributor in the secondary, and King & Walls weren't even mentioned in any of the police reports; the first time we heard their names in relation to the incident was when Dooley announced their indefinite suspensions.

Our new coach - who continues to score points by simply not being Lane Kiffin, who is a southern gentleman that talks like us, jokes like us, and repeatedly emphasizes character education; and who, of special importance here, was a lawyer - made a bold first step in attempting to change the culture at Tennessee.  And we had faith that, whatever information was yet to come about this case or whatever charges would surely be filed, Dooley would make the right decision for our program, no matter how difficult it may be.

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Twenty-six days have passed since the incident.  If time heals all wounds, no additional charges being filed certainly helps the process along.  No one was ever charged with assault on Gary Russell inside the bar, or off-duty police officer Robert Capoullez outside the bar.  And on Tuesday, Dooley reinstated King and Walls from their suspensions...meaning the only on-field casualty from the incident is Myles, whose dismissal seems to have had more to do with the fact that his flee from the scene led to his second arrest of the offseason.

The picture we got on July 9 and the consequences on August 4 do not line up.  What do we do with that?  Do we shrug our shoulders and be thankful, quietly, that we've got one of our projected starters at defensive tackle back?  Do we tear our clothes and cry out for the justice that apparently isn't coming?

Or, when in doubt, can we fall back on "Not enough information"?

I'm a Tennessee fan; that's my lens.  And even though I should've learned my lesson with Kiffin last year, I still find that my initial instinct is to automatically defend the actions of the head coach...because he's the head coach.

Uncovering the real truth of July 9 appears to be an impossibility, or at least an improbability.  There are several possible scenarios just based on what's been reported; what we don't know is what Dooley does, at least when it comes to what the players involved told him.

What we do have are the stories of those involved:  Gary Russell's quote that "If not for my friends, I would be dead or brain-dead."  Bar Knoxville owner Sandy Morton's story included "seven to ten guys beating up this one gentlemen."  We were left with a picture of a large group of football players ganging up on one guy inside the bar, then kicking an off-duty police officer while he was down and sending him to ICU.

The police reports offered few additional details, save for Da'Rick Rogers' minor altercation with a police officer after being pepper sprayed.

The outrage over a police officer being sent to ICU and any number of football players ganging up on one guy in a 2:00 AM bar fight is completely justified.  Even one game suspensions, to me, wouldn't have really been any punishment, considering the opponent in the opener.  If anyone on our team was involved with these assaults, they deserved to be punished.

But now...well, now we really don't know much of anything.

The stories from the bar owner and the victim still stand, but the police haven't found enough evidence to charge anyone with assault on Russell or Capoullez.  You can see the pictures of Russell at the link to his quote above, and we know Capoullez spent four days in the hospital.  Something happened.

Greg King and Marlon Walls did something they weren't supposed to, obviously.  That something was enough for Dooley to suspend them immediately.  But it wasn't so much that they'll miss any game or even practice time.

If no charges are ever filed, then the whole thing slips into pure speculation.  Is it possible that the reports were exaggerated, a Tennessee player(s) was assaulted inside the bar unprovoked, and Capoullez's injuries weren't directly caused by a Tennessee player(s) literally kicking him while he was down?  Sure.  It's just also possible that Tennessee player(s) were directly involved in both assaults, sent an off-duty police officer to ICU...and because there are no charges and it can't be proved, they go free to play this fall.

Which brings the whole thing back around to:  how much do you trust Derek Dooley?

And while my brain, having been recently burned, screams "not enough information", my heart interrupts to say "of course I do, that's my football coach WOO!"

On Tuesday, Dooley again spoke of the consistency of the stories he's heard from his own players, and the way that everything else he's seen, heard, or read in the last twenty-six days has strengthened those stories.  He has information we don't.  He sounds like the confident lawyer he is.  When he says he emphasizes character, I do believe him.  He even got John Adams to use the phrase, "he shouldn't be second guessed".

And unfortunately, it seems like this whole incident is going to be best described exactly that way:  unfortunate.  Something clearly happened that shouldn't have, but who exactly was responsible was never made clear to the public.  And so we're left with an ugly picture of the two victims, and a new coach administering his own discipline internally that, on face value, doesn't fit the crime that players may or may not have committed.  We don't get the justice or resolution we feel like this situation surely deserved initially.  And we don't get the sort of disciplinary action that would have sent whatever message we felt like needed to be sent, no definitive impact on the culture that we can see.  The whole thing leaves us with not enough information.

So we'll keep trusting our football coach, because that's what we do.  We'll keep hoping that he is making a real difference in character education (and the university has been much quicker to publicize the community service UT is currently involved in).  And we'll keep wondering what really happened here...but less and less each day.  And once we have actual football to talk about?  This becomes a blip on the radar, only reappearing as a callback in the next arrest story.  Very unfortunate, indeed...do we have any other option?

In the end, we're simply left to trust our football coach...and to hope he makes a difference, on and off the field.

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Good piece

One of those things where we’ll never know the full story. However, on changing the culture going forward, here’s one piece of evidence….

@DmoeTN6: Man… In da room at 10:30 and lights out at 11… Thought I was grown… 2adays let’s get it in..

Bring it across, shape it down

by Getoffmyvols on Aug 4, 2010 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Dooley indirectly spoke about that in yesterday's interview.

That restricting what is ‘common’ behavior for a person’s generation is a difficult and dangerous thing to do. He was talking about social networking and what players could do with Twitter and Facebook, but that logic has to be applied broadly. Staying up to midnight and beyond isn’t just ‘common’ for college kids, it’s the norm.

But I can see this restriction for the sake of the camp. If the staff plans on pushing the players physically and mentally, then they’ll want to ensure that the players get sufficient rest and recovery time.

by David Hooper on Aug 4, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

By the way Will kids still take TCAP.

I am past my TCAP days, but my younger brothers still take them.

It's simple Cubs in the spring and summer, Vols in the fall and winter.

by cubvol on Aug 4, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am strangely comforted by this

at Alcoa we’d have like a week and a half of TCAPs, and then several days of all recess once we were finished. Good times.

by Will Shelton on Aug 4, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

What the heck does TCAP stand for??

Tennessee Cultural Academic Poop-fest?

Eric Berry Eats Landsharks For Breakfast.

by bobothevol on Aug 4, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The six weeks of class after TCAP were always fun.

Kind of like AP classes after the AP test: “…yeah, we know you’re just going to be spacing out, so we’re just going to do the same thing.”

Simulated Gameday Experience - just like the real thing, only we have smoke machines.

by Chris Pendley on Aug 4, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is everyone taking the reinstatement of King and Walls?

Not trolling, just doing a little research, am starting an article on the ways coaches and players discipline are handled.

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 4, 2010 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Personally, I'm uneasy.

But I don’t know what else to think. It’s hard to imagine that everything can be so neatly swept away, but the police don’t have anything for us either. Knoxville police do a pretty good job of staying non-partisan when it comes to player issues, and since one of their own was injured in the process, it’s tough to believe that they’re trying to hide something.

It sure looks like some people are getting away with hospitalizing two men. Self defense? Other people involved? Not a clue.

by David Hooper on Aug 4, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Its hard to say whether or not the punishment fit the crime when we honestly don’t know the details of the crime or the punishment for that matter. Judging by the small sample size we have to examine with Dooley’s discipline style we can see he’s very strict with repeat offenders, and prefers to handle first time offenders internally. What that internal punishment entails we’ll never really know.

Bring it across, shape it down

by Getoffmyvols on Aug 4, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I appreciate the honest inquiry. A snarky inquiry would have been hit with the following snarky reply:
No charges are forthcoming, so naturally nothing happened….said Coach Calipari….

But that wasn’t necessary because ALLBLUCAT is a cool cat.

The COEXIST bumper sticker is ridiculous. How are people supposed to get along when one side is flying planes into tall buildings or wearing sweater vests full of C4 and nails? The faiths are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

by memphispete on Aug 4, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't know...

Will’s lens is as a Tennessee fan, but mine is that of an expat Vol in the land of the Big Integer. And I for one have had to deal with just about enough [Fulmerized] from Domers and Buckeyes about the Vols’ legal issues. I was initially very enthusiastic about the swift and certain punishment Dooley handed down. The indefinite suspensions I assumed would be for at least one game. To only suspend them only until the start of practice is a little bit weak.

Look, I understand that no-one except (maybe) the participants their selves know what truly happened, but to let the whole thing blow over with just the dismissal of Myles, and a slap on the wrist of two players not even mentioned in the police reports just looks bad.

That Dooley knows more about this than we is a given, and the fact that no other charges have been filed, and Dooley is satisfied with the punishment and remorse is good enough for me as a fan. However, it is not enough to let those outside the Vol fans’ groupthink bubble believe that Dooley is any more serious about discipline than was Fulmer.

by ChicagoVol on Aug 4, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree here, the perception is very bad

There’s only so far “no charges were filed” will go in national perception.

by Will Shelton on Aug 4, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

And many in the national scene will interpret the 'no charges filed'

to mean that the prosecutor’s office is sweeping this one under the rug as well.

by David Hooper on Aug 4, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

will do.......the angle is essientially about the differences between how things are handled

if you are a coach, or if you are a player, and how judgements are formed, ( and rushed to) by people who really do not understand the whole story

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 5, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great read....

Now, let me preface this by saying that I am an Alabama fan, but strive to be a reasonable one (read: only one Houndstooth tatoo and does not drink Pabst Blue Ribbon), but if you’ll allow a rival fan’s take:

It’s always hard to know which side of the fence to fall concerning an issue as serious as this, especially when you’re still getting to know the coach. However, from what I’ve seen of Dooley so far, I believe you guys have a good coach who is going to do the right thing in the end.

This is a huge pile of crap to deal with before you’ve coached your first game, but all a fan can do is trust their coach and support him. If, in the end it turns out that he screwed the pooch it’s on him not you. You were just doing what good fans do: support your coach.

(/shakes off Dubose/Price/Shula flashback)

As for what the rest of the country perceives, I offer this quote from George C. Scott’s character in the movie “Angus”:

“Remember these words, and live by them: ‘Screw ’em’”

If Coach Dooley is the man of character that he presents himself to be , then the team will exemplify that and critics will have to find something else to talk about.

Best of luck this season guys!
(Except of course for October 23rd)

by wiseace615 on Aug 4, 2010 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Alabama fans drink PBR?

Is that a stereotype I missed?

I thought yall drank High Life or something, they at least come in camo and hunter orange cans sometimes. Plus, everyone knows that PBR is the beer reappropriated by the hipsters from the blue collars.

Nice quote from Angus, youre fine by me.

RIP Steve McNair (1973 - 2009) Retire #9!

by Pride of the Southland on Aug 4, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

True...

I started to use Millwaukee’s Best, but I can’t even type it without getting nausiated.

by wiseace615 on Aug 4, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody remember store brand - Kroger Lite

The COEXIST bumper sticker is ridiculous. How are people supposed to get along when one side is flying planes into tall buildings or wearing sweater vests full of C4 and nails? The faiths are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

by memphispete on Aug 5, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good!

LET’S GET READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!! GO VOL’S

by Wayne A.Bolton on Aug 4, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

GO VOL’S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Wayne A.Bolton on Aug 4, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

These quotes I'm sure will eventually make it to KNS and others

but VolQuest has a story up now quoting Walls and King today ($)

Included in their words of contrition are this from King:

"I want to apologize to the young man because it was just the wrong thing to do, I reacted in the wrong way and I just put it on me.

“I knew something was going to get out, so I was just waiting really [in terms of the discipline]. It hurt me, but I respect my coach’s decision. I go by what the coach tells me and I respect his decision.”

Sooooo….one can infer, perhaps, that King got involved with Russell, whom I’m assuming is the one he’s referring to as “the young man”.

by Will Shelton on Aug 4, 2010 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

That helps a bit.

That first quote is unqualified. Whether he was compelled to give it or not, at least they’re not in face-saving mode with it.

by David Hooper on Aug 4, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Article

Will you are dead on, once again. We continue with cautious optimism.

"The only way to completely eliminate bed bugs 100% is to burn the mattress."

by Rocky Top on Aug 4, 2010 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

"In the end, we're simply left to trust our football coach..."

I completely understand the sentiment – completely.

But in the end, it is the wrong approach – We must always demand more from our leaders than they give, because if we don’t, what we get is all that we’ll get (i.e., not enough information). We must push them to be great, on the field and off of it.

by NorCalVol on Aug 5, 2010 12:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Another outsider's take

Great piece, Will. As fans, y’all have experienced and will continue to experience mockery for what can easily be interpreted as a poor decision regarding player discipline. You will even have doubts about whether Dooley made the right decision. You may even be sure he made the wrong one. But what are you going to do? This is very serious, but while the available information looks bad, the fact that there is information that’s not available keeps this from being the kind of thing subject to a black-and-white analysis — like a coach’s losing track of the game clock, for example.

In the end, same as with Kiffin, there are things going on in our programs over which we have absolutely no control. Our allegiances are to our schools. The coaches and their decisions are extensions of our schools and fall under the umbrellas of that allegiance. You can’t call Dooley into your office and ask him to explain in greater detail why the suspensions are complete and compel him to face adverse consequences if you’re not satisfied with what he has to say.

No, for mental health purposes and in light of the aforementioned allegiance, you are required to trust him. You have a choice: (1) stop loving the Vols; (2) continue loving the Vols, but believe in your heart of hearts that it’s now being run by a guy whom you can’t trust; or (3) continue loving the Vols, and accept Dooley’s decision with trust.

(1) is out of the question. You could do (2), but that doesn’t sound like a lot of fun, does it? I mean, we’re all in this for enjoyment. It’s not our jobs. We don’t get to veto what the head coach does or put him on probation for doing something with which we disagree. So (3) it is. Embrace it, as Will does in this post. It means tolerating flack from other fans; it doesn’t mean having to stake your own personal reputation on the situation by screaming justifications if you’re not sure what they are.

Besides, you have reasons to believe that, over time, your new coach will accumulate good will with solid decisions. He’s a smart guy. He was raised right, as they say (his parents’ Auburn stank washed off years ago). He’s well educated. And he’s a sharp-dressed man. You’d be perfectly reasonable to take a deep breath and believe everything’s going to be all right. In my opinion, any other course is inconsistent with a rational, enjoyable fan existence.

by NCT on Aug 5, 2010 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

What they hell ...

… is with all of this forced italicization?

by NCT on Aug 5, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Upon further investigation

I suspect that WAYNE A. BOLTON!!!!!!!!!!! was playing with the italic html tags and left one open. WOOOOO!!!!!

by Joel Hollingsworth on Aug 5, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well said

And I don’t know what happened with the italics.

by Joel Hollingsworth on Aug 5, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

THE WHOLE WEBSITE IS IN ITALICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

Official MCM Hater!

"If anyone asks you, you fixed my television. Now go!"

by gramsey712 on Aug 5, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

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