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Tennessee Offensive Strategy: System of a (Third) Down

I am probably the biggest Jim Chaney apologist in Tennessee.  I was there in Laramie when he was the offensive and recruiting coordinator under Joe Tiller and took the Wyoming Cowboys to amazing offensive heights.  Despite fielding teams where virtually nobody would ever get a sniff of the NFL, Wyoming was a terror on defenses, and 50-point outings were not uncommon.  It was an implementation of the passing spread before the spread was even a term, and nobody knew what to do about it.

So when I see the following stats from the Tennessee offense, I become very curious as to what he's doing.  I know for certain that Chaney is aware of everything I'm about to talk about, and that it goes against everything he did at both Wyoming and Purdue.  But as we discussed at great length during the UAB game, the offense is extraordinarily predictable on third down.  And I can't figure out why.

First, let's take a look at the types of third downs we've faced.  Normally I like to break up the yardage in three-yard increments, but since the announcers made a great deal about third-and-six or greater, let's use that.  So here are the third downs, in terms of percentage of occurrence, for the following distances to a first or the goal line:  1-2 yards, 3-5 yards, 6-10 yards, 11-15 yards, 16-20 yards, 21-25 yards, and >25 yards.

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About 2/3 of our third down tries came from 6 yards or further so it should be to no surprise that most of our attempts were passing attempts.  What might be a surprise, however, is exactly how the run/pass splits look for the difference distances.

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If the ball was only one or two yards from the first/goal line, Tennessee ran more often than passed (which makes total sense).  But anything after that, and the play calling was pass-happy.  In fact, Tennessee was most likely to pass on 3rd and 3-5 yards to go.  Tennessee passed 92% of the time from on 3rd and 3-5, 90% from 3rd and 6-10, and 77% from 3rd and 11-15.  If you consider that a couple of those 3rd and 11-15 calls were to set up field goals or to run clock, then Tennessee is basically a 90% bet to pass the ball on any third down that is more than two yards from the first down or the goal line.

How successful was this strategy?  We know the 3rd and 6+ stats by heart now, but here is the success rate for the various distances:

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You'd expect reasonable success within 1-2 yards, and indeed Tennessee been perfect when that close.  But UT is at 25% from 3-5 yards out and effectively zero from anything further.  Here are some more facts to chew on:

  • We all know that UT has only converted one 3rd down from >6 yards, but in the last three games, Tennessee has only converted two from greater than 2 yards:  a 3-yarder against Florida and that 6-yarder against UAB.  (The rest were three 1-yarders and one 2-yarder.)
  • Tennessee rushed on 3rd down a total of four times against UT-Martin and five times against Oregon, but only once each against Florida and UAB.
  • Tennessee's rushing attempts against Martin all came late when the outcome was certain.  The first nine attempts were all passes, including when Tyler Bray came into the game.
  • Against Oregon, Tennessee started by rushing for more than passing, but switched to passing once they fell behind.
  • The lone rushing attempt against Florida came on a 3rd and 13 in the second quarter at UT's 31 yard line.  Tauren Poole gained three yards and Tennessee punted.
  • The lone rushing attempt against UAB came on a 3rd and 1 at UT's 28 yard line in the fourth quarter with the score tied at 23.  David Oku gained one yard and got the first.

There are two issues to be addressed in this data. First is to figure out why Tennessee ends up in so many third and long situations.  A part of the answer is due to the false start penalties that changed 3rd and 1 to 3rd and 6, but Tennessee ended up in a lot of long situations even when excluding those penalties.  This goes back to the reality we face:  the team is young and is still growing.  They'll undoubtedly get better, but right now the inconsistency is putting the offense in tough positions.

The second issue is to wonder why Chaney is so quick to turn to passing plays, even when the distance is less than 6 yards to go.  The man may have come from spread systems in the past, but he's become more and more of a pro-style coordinator over the years and is very fond of a strong running game.  I think there are specific reasons that he's avoiding the run in those intermediate distances, but I haven't had a chance to go back through the tape and look for any answers.

And that's where we are, really.  The stats tell us that we're a pass-only team on third down.  But stats tell you where to look; they don't tell you why things happened.  The next step is to ask why, and to wonder if our passing game really is more dependable on third down than our running game, or if Chaney just happens to be locked in a rut.

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Great work Hooper

Maybe Poole’s absence had something to do with us shying away from the run against UAB…or maybe we’re just convinced that we can’t get 3 yards on the ground against any defense.

by Will Shelton on Sep 27, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm going to have to look into this more in a bit

I suspect it has less to do with personnel and more to do with philosophy at this point. I need to go through tape to confirm this, though. (And yes, it fails to make sense to me.)

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by Chris Pendley on Sep 27, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

We threw on 3rd and 3-4 twice in the first quarter against UAB and didn't convert either time

I have no problem with a pass on 3rd and 4, but you should run at least a third of the time at that distance to keep the defense honest. There’s no excuse for a 92/8 split.

by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 27, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, to be precise

You need to run / pass at a minimum enough to keep defenses honest, and then you do whatever’s best the rest of the time (if that makes sense). I don’t know if that number is 33%, though.

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by Chris Pendley on Sep 27, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Concerns

Long time reader, first time comment …. I am concerned about a number of things with our football team.  the first is the offense.  The third down info is very interesting …. but what is frustating is that on so many of those third down passes it seems to me we have completed the pass for one or two yards LESS than required for the first down — ugh.   What bothers me more is the lack of fundamentals, particularly tackling, on the defensive side of the ball.  We seem to get our guys in the right position to make a play but ….. does anyone keep stats on missed tackles …. it seems to me we have had guys simply let go too many times … or have tried to just bump them and hope they go down. I don’t mind us loosing some as long as we get better every week …. I’m not sure that is happening ….

Big E from Tennessee

by elr0013 on Sep 27, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Welcome to the fray!

I know I mentioned this in another thread, but I can’t help but wonder how many of those shorter passes are due to the coverage downfield, and unfortunately we can’t really know completely because of the angles the TV gives us. I think we can all agree that it’s better to complete a 4 yard pass on 3rd-and-6 when Tennessee is ahead than throw a pass 15 yards down-field that gets picked off. The concern I have is how we aren’t opening up the coverage enough to convert these mid-ranged attempts: is the scheme bad in that we just aren’t sending players to the right positions — doubtful, I think, given the history of Jim Chaney; is Simms too tenative and unwilling to make the pass even if it’s there — doubtful too, I think, given that we’ve seen him find the open receiver on 3rd down and long and the pass has either been inaccurate or dropped; or is our pass protection just that bad? I’m leaning towards the last, because, well, for one we’ve had a metric ton of sacks this year, and I’d like to go back to the UAB game and see how much time Simms has had to throw and how many receivers we’ve been able to get out on third down.

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by bobothevol on Sep 27, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to be a part of "the fray"

I am no offensive guru by any stretch … but shouldn’t our short routs on a “possession down” be appropriate to maintain possession ?? that to me would mean the longer routes are long enough to make the underneath routes be just beyond the chains ….. instead of in front of the chains. I am frustrated by the offense but my real concerns are our inability to tackle on defense. This seems pretty fundamental to me regardless of schemes .. ane our schemes seem to be good. how many missed tackles in the backfield have we seen ….

Big E from Tennessee

by elr0013 on Sep 27, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems to me

That the short routes are just RB flat routes or quick-outs designed to give Simms a place to throw the football to, but that was just my impression. I’m about to boot up ESPN3 and give it a look-see to see what’s up.

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by bobothevol on Sep 27, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The SEC digital network also has it

and the forward/reverse controls might be a bit easier for you. fyi.

by David Hooper on Sep 27, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it me, or have we seen a lot less screens to rbs

I don’t know if we have done them and they’ve just been blown up, but running screens does not seem to be in the repertoire (to me). I don’t know if screens are part of Chaney’s offense (they seemed to be prevalent last year).

Screens seem ideal for a young line that is having problems protecting the qb. Would definitely help to keep the D on their toes. I know they’re not ideal on 3 and 6+, but I think they’re perfectly fine calls for the 3rd and 3-5 yd range.

Maybe it has to do with Simms failure to check down. He does typically get locked on to receivers. Hopefully this will develop more with maturity.

by newportVOL on Sep 27, 2010 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

We ran them twice on 3rd down, from what I saw

Had one blown up and incomplete, execution looked sloppy and shaky, and the other went for 7 on 3rd and 10.

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by bobothevol on Sep 27, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year's offense was Kiffin's, so that might be part of the difference.

But even at that, I do like screens. I would guess that they didn’t feel the opposing defenses have been aggressive enough for screens to work quite as well as they could. My preference is to hold screens in the back pocket until the defense gets too comfortable rushing in. It’s a great counter play.

by David Hooper on Sep 27, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Screens are tricky things to execute

Lack of screens might be do to lack of confidence Chaney has in the ability of a young O line to execute properly. They have to learn to sell pass blocking, slip out and hit someone in the open field on the run, the back has to slide out to an open space and set up the blocks…all this takes timing and coordination, things our offense just might not have yet.

This O is largely starting from scratch. It’s not like they had a solid base of the playbook down and Chaney has the luxury of adding new wrinkles and refining techniques. They’re learning how to walk and talk…chewing gum at the same time will come later.

by phil g on Sep 28, 2010 7:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Over Under on 3rd Down Conversion

20% is a push, so 3 for 15 would push.

Post your predictions here. Will UT break 20% or will LSU hold them under 20%?

by FloppyJock on Sep 30, 2010 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

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