South Carolina 14 Tennessee 3 - On and On and On
So, the invocation at Neyland Stadium this evening was given by a Catholic gentleman who serves as a chaplain for the Knoxville Police Department. I'm sure he's a great guy and I've heard some interesting prayers from a dozen different denominations in my thirty years in that stadium. But before he got to the part where he prayed for Tyler Bray specifically - which I'm sure some folks appreciated - he said something along the lines of, "We look out and see the black mixed with the orange in the stands tonight, and it reminds us of our own mortality." It was, shall we say, ominous.
I'm tired of being reminded that Tennessee is not what it used to be. It's one thing against one of the best Alabama teams of all time in Tuscaloosa. I can deal with getting blasted by a team that is vastly superior.
Tonight was not LSU or Alabama. It was a wounded South Carolina team looking for its second victory in Knoxville...ever. It was a game in which the Vols took away Alshon Jeffery (3 catches, 17 yards) and sacked Connor Shaw twice.
What's more, Tennessee finally got some of the breaks we've been missing. Not only did Prentiss Waggner make another big play (and that guy has to be closing in on Eric Berry's school record, and thus the NCAA record, for interception return yardage), but the Vols got lucky: a muffed punt from Carolina, and the ol' helmet-on-ball forced fumble.
The Tennessee program is starving for anything good to happen. If you haven't been recently, here's what it's like to go to a game these days: the crowd is more quiet than usual, almost resigned. We get kind of loud on third down defense, but only loud in comparison to first and second down, not loud compared to third down defense in previous years.
But when something really good happens unexpectedly - as was the case on all three turnovers - the old noise returns in an instant. Everyone explodes out of their seats with tremendous volume, because we're both so surprised that something went our way...but also because we miss those moments, and are dying for more of them. We walk some imaginary line between constant sorrow and old hope...not too far gone to believe it can happen, but less vocal until it does every week.
Those three plays gave Tennessee the ball at South Carolina's 18, 2, and 27 yard line. On all three plays, we thought, "Here we go, finally."
The Vols got 3 points.
Every Tennessee fan should dress as Charlie Brown for Halloween. Not just because we keep having the ball pulled away from us. Mostly for the part where he just screams.
Here's the good part. Ready?
This might be the most difficult schedule a Tennessee team has ever faced
The bar for this is 1990, when the Vols played #5 Colorado, #3 Auburn, #9 Florida, #1 Notre Dame, and #15 Ole Miss. Colorado and Notre Dame went on to play each other for the National Championship.
This year, the Vols have faced #16 Florida, #1 LSU, #2 Alabama, and now #13 South Carolina. Arkansas is currently ranked #10, and if they beat Carolina next week they'll continue to climb. This obviously doesn't include a Cincinnati team that could win the Big East and a Georgia team that could win the SEC East.
The difference, of course, is that the '90 Vols went 2-1-2 against those ranked teams and won the SEC Championship. These Vols aren't good enough to do anything like that against a schedule this tough. They fight for as long as they can - I have never questioned this team's heart and didn't question it tonight - but sometimes talent wins out. It's a team wrecked by attrition and injury against one of the most difficult schedules of the modern era. Sometimes it's helpful to remember that in some ways, this team is doing the best it can.
This is the end of the good part.
Matt Simms will accept your apology now
Not because he's the answer going forward - we've got all week to talk about the quarterback controversy that could still make things worse for Derek Dooley this season. But because some people were convinced there was no way it could get worse than what Simms had done.
Does Tennessee win tonight if Simms goes the whole way? I don't know.
Here's what I do know: none of us should've buried Simms for what he did against LSU and Alabama, and none of us should bury Justin Worley for what he did in his very first start against South Carolina. Simms is who he is, and that may have been enough tonight. You can make an argument that Justin Worley cost us the game, but that can be a good learning experience for him before he's taking snaps in games that truly matter in a couple of years.
You can also make a case that if Da'Rick Rogers catches a touchdown, it's a different game.
The EA Sports School of Coaching
I'm not sure what percentage of Tennessee fans are serious NCAA or Madden players. But however big that group is, I know that 100% of them were furious about Dooley's use of timeouts tonight.
If you've ever played one of those games with any degree of competitiveness, you know that timeouts are like gold. You save them at all costs, because those 40 seconds on the final drives can be extraordinarily valuable. On the video game, you take a delay of game penalty over burning a timeout, especially in the second half. You don't do that in real life, I get that.
But the first one of you that can explain to me why we called a timeout on 4th and 15 in the fourth quarter before we punted will have my sincere appreciation.
And see, this is one of the little things that shouldn't have to matter. The story of this season should be, "Hey, it's terribly unfortunate that we had to play such an insane schedule without four of our best five players. What terrible luck Tennessee has! Poor Derek Dooley, none of this is that guy's fault, I'll be pulling for him to get it turned around in 2012." That's still the primary narrative after tonight. Even if Tennessee fails to make a bowl game, I'd still argue this as the primary narrative. Because I don't want to make judgments on Derek Dooley based on what he does with his best players in a cast or on crutches.
But a sub-thread that refuses to go away are the little mistakes that Tennessee is simply not good enough to overcome...and thus, they drive us absolutely crazy.
That timeout is one. Three different people brought that timeout up to me before I got from Neyland Stadium to this keyboard. Having 12 men on the field again is another, even though it didn't really hurt us. And whatever the old record was for false starts on 3rd/4th and 1, we've shattered it this season.
These are little mistakes that stand out so much more this season. They shouldn't be the main story, but when you really can't do anything productive offensively, they become the thing we talk about.
I'm not passing final judgment on Derek Dooley because of what he does without his best players. But it would help if we could do things that high school teams and video game enthusiasts somehow manage to not screw up.
And finally...
I'm in a bad mood. I hope I'm not lashing out at something that doesn't deserve it. I don't think I am.
Whoever made the decision to play rap/rock music over the PA during timeouts and in between series needs to cease and desist immediately. Zero percent of it was welcome. Zero percent of it made people "more hype" or whatever it is they're going for, except for "Jump Around", which we stole from Wisconsin. We're not some up-and-coming program that's trying to increase interest in the sport on campus. We're the University of Tennessee. Other schools should be copying us, not the other way around. We have The Pride of the Southland Marching Band. What single benefit was there from piping in that music? Because all it did was piss me off. I swear to you, if I see a Kiss Cam in Neyland Stadium, I'm going straight to the press box and demanding answers.
You want people to be more enthusiastic? Win more games.
We do some things really well. I love The Pride. Can't remember one of those "This is Tennessee" videos over the last several seasons that I didn't love. Whoever talked Johnny Majors into joining that flash mob and wearing orange pants has my thanks - that literally was the best moment of the night.
Piped in music needs to go. Don't give me "it's a recruiting edge" - no recruit says, "Man, I'm going to Tennessee because they played five seconds of 'Tom Sawyer' by Rush coming out of a timeout!" Give me a break.
There's plenty that's broken at the University of Tennessee that demands the attention of smart, capable people. The atmosphere in Neyland isn't broken. You know why it's not as good as it used to be? We're 3-5 and haven't been ourselves for four straight years.
I wish most of the stadium didn't leave when the Vols go down two scores. They've taken on the personality of the team: second half adversity = we fold. It's embarrassing for all involved. But playing a few seconds of Rage Against The Machine or some weird AC/DC remix isn't going to make them decide to stay. (For the record, I like all of these bands. Not the point.)
Winning cures all things. It's going to be another year until we really have the chance to make that happen on a regular, meaningful basis.
Until then...let's not make things worse on ourselves.
And let's hope Matt Simms, Justin Worley, and the Vols have what it takes to beat MTSU.
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GVX247 covered the music thing
They said that some of our people were in Bryant-Denny last week and were impressed by their use of music in keeping the crowd interested. So we decided to copy ’Bama and try it out. I agree with you on the effect. If we win games, then the spirit will return. Plain and simple.
Florida Sucks!
by Orange Swarm on Oct 30, 2011 2:21 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
I think being ranked #2 in the country and taking a historic rival behind the woodshed probably keeps crowds interested, too.
Just sayin’. But, really, one of the things that I hate about going to NFL games is the down time during all the freaking commercial breaks. The Superdome usually shows its own commercials on the big screens inside during those breaks, and it really kills the crowd’s enthusiasm. Of course, most of us are draining the previous beer in the bathroom and then loading up the new one…
So it took 3.5 hours to drive from Tuscaloosa to Birmingham last week
And my dad spent half of that time complaining about the music. I tend to agree…just play football.
Tennessee fans roll their eyes when I talk about Vandy, Vandy fans become ill when I talk about Tennessee.
I dunno about ya'll
But when I go to a Football game, I go to watch Football.
If I wanted to hear music I’d buy concert tickets for (Insert Band Name Here)
BloodSpite
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football." -John Heisman
"Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach". -Woody Hayes
by Joseph Stanley on Oct 31, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Knoxville used to be a tough place to play
My wife and I sat in section N row 9 during the LSU game this year. It was loud as heck during the first half when we had something to cheer about. Quiet as a church serivce on a Sunday morning sermon during the 2nd half.
I was at the Arkansas game in the rain in 1998 (Stumble and Fumble). I was also at the 1991 Auburn game (Pickens for Heisman). I bring these up because I remember how loud and magical our stadium could be. Everybody and their mother walks into our stadium the last 4 years and beats us, most good teams beat us pretty badly. Nobody is intimidated playing here anymore, why should they be? Heck Vandy, should be confident they can win here fairly easily in 3 weeks time if they watched our offense the past 4 weeks. 3 points against SC? Are you kidding me?
I used to really look forward to fall Saturday’s.
I like listening Rage Against The Machine too….while driving home from work. Also don’t see the need for the music unless it’s an original concept, certainly shouldn’t bring it from COPYING WHAT ALABAMA DOES. That’s pathetic. Watching on TV and seeing those seats emptying halfway through the third quarter is plain depressing. Can only imagine what it must be like at Neyland witnessing it.
28 points in the last four games
this is getting absolutely ridiculous. I can’t argue with the narrative, but it’s so frustrating. When will it end? I’m seriously worried that if we don’t have Bray back at 100% for Vandy, we might not make a bowl.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 30, 2011 8:12 AM EDT reply actions
Especially considering
how tough they looked today against Arkansas. That was a terribly disappointing final result for a team that played with such heart for 60 minutes.
Look at the bright side
Maybe we can beat Arkansas if we don’t beat Vandy
BloodSpite
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football." -John Heisman
"Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach". -Woody Hayes
by Joseph Stanley on Oct 31, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Without senior leadership
And our top dynamic play makers this team just does not know how to make plays. This is a game where our oline really needed to make a play inside the 5 and Da’Rick really needed to make that play and we get a desperately needed win. I remember well the sinking feeling at the end of the 2008 signing day that the incredibly weak class was going to come back to haunt us…boy howdy did it ever.
These are the dark days, they’ll get better.
That's also on the list:
how do we lose three yards on first and goal at the 2? No gain, okay. Even a loss of one. But -3?
by Will Shelton on Oct 30, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Obvious play call is obvious?
They had what — 7 guys? — in between the tackles when the ball was snapped? Much less the remaining four bunched in tight.
by David Hooper on Oct 30, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
My point is
The players have to make some plays. Coaches can’t do it for them.
Oh, absolutely.
Not denying that or your comment below.
by David Hooper on Oct 30, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
That's the limitations of a freshman qb
Not very adept at changing plays at the los. Still, oline’s just got to make a play.
Good piece.
I dont think Dooley should be completely judged while his key players are in a cast and on crutches unless he’s playing another coach who’s players are on crutches and at home watching while playing away from home. Also as far as TN playing the hardest schedule in years based on the preseason rankings pretty much rather than the actual quality of the competition. LSU and Bama are great no doubt. UF and South Carolina are not good football teams this year. Neither deserve to be in the top 25 and South Carolina without Lattimore and Garcia(a bad QB who could at least get Jeffery involved) is void of all offense though their defense is solid.
by cerebralfish on Oct 30, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Bright side
This is going to be a tough, experienced bunch of juniors and seniors.
YAIS
If only our fans will hang on that long. I swear, Tennessee fans have a corner on the market of pessimism. Not just the last couple of years, but pretty much as long as I’ve known a fair number of UT fans. (Let’s say 2003 for a reasonable mark.)
by David Hooper on Oct 30, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
well right now, we have an excuse for it
this is the most snake-bit athletic department
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Oct 30, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I know many don't want Tennessee to go the route of pretty much every other school
But in the 4th when it was obvious that Carolina had l at least a 90% chance of winning, and the PA system started playing Party Rock, the UT student section got excited. Same with Jump Around. but when the band cut off the PA system, that excitement went away.
I’m all for the band, they do great things and excite the fans and everything, but adding music from the PA system to the music at the games can’t hurt. And no player is going to say “I love UT, but I really wish they didn’t sometimes play music using their PA system”
If the fans aren't providing energy with the traditional cues, I can't blame the stadium crew for trying.
I imagine that the piped-in music isn’t making the fans any quieter than they already are.
by David Hooper on Oct 30, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just saying times change
The band is great, and the fans do provide energy with the traditional cues.
But the age of the school band providing all the audio entertainment to induce excitement from the fans is over. I’m not saying to get rid of the band or constantly play music on the PA system, no. But there is a balance that would get the fans into a semi-steady roar, instead of crazy first half, then slowly sputtering into the second and by the 4th no energy.
Agreed on both.
And agreed with Will that winning will cure all the noise problems. Heck, a touchdown would have done that last night. /stillglaringatRogers
by David Hooper on Oct 30, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Da'Rick catches that pass
The stadium would have exploded and the players would have fed off that energy for the rest of the game. Come on Da’Rick!!!!
All blame on Rogers? Really?
What about the two picks thrown in the end zone by Worley? Don’t you think those arguably had more of an impact on the game than a dropped pass or two? Or half of those runs by SC that went for 15-20 yards that were either because the QB escaped containment or a defender had a player stopped on the LOS, but had one of the absolute worst tackles ever?
No. Not all blame on Rogers.
Just for that play.
by David Hooper on Oct 30, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I had a bigger problem because they played it over the band at times
and maybe that’s just working out the timing it being the first time they did it
by Will Shelton on Oct 30, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that would be an issue.
Especially considering how much work the band has to put in to be ready for the game.
by David Hooper on Oct 30, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
So you are anti-music over the PA in breaks...
… What is your position on kids on your lawn?
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Just a question
I am far from an expert, but does anyone besides me think that the game plan for Worley should have been a bit simpler to get him in a groove? Not sure that we set him up for much success.
Maybe.
I’ve always been a little annoyed whenever a new QB comes in and everything is uber-basic “safe” stuff. The other team expects it, and it becomes very difficult for the offense to move. A lot of times, that feels more like a slow death. That said, there’s a reason it’s the common wisdom.
I heard a phrase in my undergrad about a guy I knew who was willing to gamble on big payoffs (not actual gambling) at risk of embarrassment: that he “risked perfection”. When things worked out, it was awesome. When they didn’t, it could be spectacular in the facepalm way. I think Chaney risks perfection. You all know my man-crush for Chaney, so filter appropriately and tifwiw. But had that Rogers pass worked and had he not shotgun-sprayed a couple other passes, I don’t think we would be having this question right now.
by David Hooper on Oct 30, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I get that but,
I would not let my son, who has never handled a chain saw (can you tell it’s getting cold?) go cut down large trees before getting used to the smaller ones that were already down.
Yeah, that's the rub.
But Worley is supposed to be a smart cookie and he came from a very pass-happy high school. In theory, he should be able to handle some of those plays so long as the presnap reads aren’t too hard.
by David Hooper on Oct 30, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing at all.
I just see it as a rather gray area.
by David Hooper on Oct 30, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I just think that's the first game that worley just had to get out of his system
There’s some good things on tape for him to be encouraged about – cough Da’Rick cough – and some things to learn from. I bet he’ll be tons better in the next game. I think he survives this game with confidence in tact.
At the very least, we can convince him that his problems were mostly nerves.
Until he went into “force everything” mode, his decisions appeared pretty good. He was just wildly inaccurate, which is not like him.
Right now, I lean toward starting him again and beginning to treat Simms more like a graduate assistant who will help with the coaching next year. I think Simms has potential to be a very good coach.
by David Hooper on Oct 30, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Burned the rs so might as well try to get some return out of it. Simms doesn’t make that throw to Da’Rick.
He does sometimes.
The problem is he telegraphs it. (That said, I can’t remember if Worley telegraphed it or not. I just know that there wasn’t any safety help.)
by David Hooper on Oct 30, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Did last night happen?
I’ve been watching UT since ’85. I remember ’88 being a bad year and 2005? I think? it seems 2008 was a nightmare that we have not waked up from.
“I had the weirdest dream that we fired Fulmer and went through an array of bad coaching until Peyton Manning retired and became our coach………We even went through a period on Rocky Top where we didn’t have a Running Backs coach. Can you believe that?”
I am starting to believe in karma on Rocky Top.
R.I.P. Atlanta Thrashers 1999-2011
By the time 2008 rolled around
This program was already in a deep whole. The kiffin yr just extended the time to recovery.
Amen on the freaking music
Despicable.
Holdin' it down on enemy grounds.
Anti-Snail on offense; Give me a slobberknocker, or give me death!
"Here's what I do know: none of us should've buried Simms for what he did against LSU and Alabama,"
Saying it with authority doesn’t make it more correct.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Oct 30, 2011 6:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He comes not to bury Simms, but to praise him.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
by birdjam on Oct 30, 2011 7:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pick a different word than buried and maybe we can agree
But the amount of “it cant get worse than Simms” after playing those two teams, with our recent QB history, was irrational
by Will Shelton on Oct 30, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The guy can't complete a pass to save himself
There aren’t any games that we will win with Simms at QB that we would lose with Worley.
And if the choice is a bad QB because he doesn’t yet understand what he’s doing vs a bad QB because he doesn’t have the touch necessary to throw the ball 5 yards in front of him instead of 15, then give me the former.
To the extent you disagree that Simms is simply a bad QB — with very fundamental deficiencies that will prevent him from every being anything other than a bad QB — then you have been seeing something different than I have been seeing. If the above constitutes burying him, then I respectfully disagree with the rationality assessment.
No homer.
Every close loss
has a play or two that defines that loss. Some seem to think the Roger’s drop was it, but I told my friend that they would pay the price for Prentiss Waggoner not taking it all the way….and they did. You cannot get that close to scoring and leave it to someone else. I know he wanted to score, he just didn’t. Leadership knows what to do when it needs to be done.
I hope lessons are learned. Just because they are gaining experience, doesn’t mean thay will use it as they grow.
Sgt Rutledge aka Woody Strode

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