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Lady Vols vs. Pepperdine Live Game Thread, 4 PM EST

Pepperdine Logo
November 13, 2011
Knoxville, TN
4:00 PM EST

TV: College Sports South / ESPN3*

Internet Audio: Lady Vols Network
Live Stats: GameTracker
Lady Vols Logo

0-0
NR (AP)
NR (USA Today)
RPI: N/A

0-0
#3 (AP)
#3 (USA Today)
RPI: N/A

* - Subject to blackout

And so it begins.  Pepperdine was tabbed to finish 3rd in the West Coast Conference and is very top-loaded with juniors and seniors.  The Waves hope their experience will bring composure and cohesiveness in the season opener for both teams.  A speculative starting lineup and some brief comments follow after the jump.

Star-divide

 Position Name  Experience  Height PPG RPG APG
lady vols logo PG Ariel Massengale Fr 5-6 - - -
F Glory Johnson Sr 6-2 12.0 9.7 1.2
C Vicki Baugh
Sr 6-4 3.6 3.2 0.3
G-F Shekinna Stricklen Sr 6-2 12.8 7.3 2.0
F Taber Spani Jr 6-1 8.0 4.1 1.4
Pepperdine Logo G Jazmine Jackson Sr 5-9 14.0 6.1 2.8
PG Lauren Bell Sr 5-8 11.5 3.5 3.9
F Skye Barnett Sr 5-11 6.5 6.3 1.1
G Katie Menton Sr 5-10 10.7 2.6 1.0
F Kelsey Patrick Jr 6-1 5.8 2.7 0.7

Note:  stats are of last year's games.

Pepperdine's roster includes 4 seniors, 4 juniors, 3 sophomores, and 4 freshmen.  While I generally believe that rosters of 15 are too unwieldy for efficient coaching, the sheer number of players gives Pepperdine the opportunity to rotate and protect their best players from foul trouble, even if playing true freshmen in a road game against Tennessee is not a recipe for success.

As with most games, it is not disrespectful to assume that Tennessee should win.  Rather than as how a win might be accomplished, here are a few questions that the Lady Vols have the opportunity to answer:

  • How cohesive is team play on offense?  If you look at the assists column above, you'll note the disheartening numbers.  Tennessee just didn't get many assists last year and relied on individual talent for much of their offense.  That's fine when you overmatch the opponent, but it's not so fine when highly talented and more cohesive teams come to play.  This team needs to get used to assists, and that will start with Ariel.
  • How good is the press, really?  The press destroyed Union in the second exhibition game, but it was also clear that Union just wasn't ready to deal with a press.  Pepperdine might not be Stanford, but having so much experience on the team will be a huge help against the press.  We'll have a much better idea of the Lady Vols' pressure after today.
  • Do they value the paint?  One criticism of last year was the reliance on three-point shooting (which they did do very well).  With Cain and Brewer gone, and Harrison a new face, can this team find more production from the paint?  With Ariel (and without Bjorklund), the guard play will be less reliant on the three this year; the posts and forwards need to fill the void.
  • My kingdom for the first free throw!  Last year's team had a hilarious tendency to miss the first free throw and make the second, almost as if they had to dial in their charity shots.  With Bjorklund's touch gone, the team will need everybody to improve their free throw percentages.  They're "free" throws; make 'em count.

Prediction

Tennessee 87, Pepperdine 52

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Hmm.

No Simmons? I like it, but we’ll see. And at home? Ladies, 91-55.

by Chris Pendley on Nov 13, 2011 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

Also, BassWatch™ is on hold for at least this game. I want to see the rotation before getting back into it.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's fine.

I’m gonna go with 3:30 in the first half, but not because the game’s over.

by Chris Pendley on Nov 13, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds good.

I could even see something so early at 15:00 in the first, if things are going well and Summitt/DeMoss wants to chat with Massengale for a bit.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Johnson with the opening tip

and Baugh is on the court as well. Looks like the starting lineup is correct in the table (but not guarantee for the Wave).

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

But the defense is working.

A forced timeout by Pepperdine with over 18 left in the first, and still no score for either team.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Finally a Glory bucket

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

Ariel is quick

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

You watching on TV?

I don’t have a ’net stream. :-( (The ’3 is blacked out in my area.)

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

yes on 58 knoxville comcast

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Took over 2 minutes for Tennessee to score

but the Wave still hasn’t scored yet, so there’s that. Sounds like the defense is intense.

And 4-0 now. 2 points by Johnson, 2 by Baugh. Interior points.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

If Baugh can go full speed we've got good size

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Everybody says she's 100% and has been for a while.

I’m really curious to see what that looks like in about a month or so – after she has a few for-realsies games under her belt.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too - I'm hopeful she's 100% too

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Part of that is how far she's come back with her game

as well as her knees

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey. Baugh made the first free throw!

And the second! Can we do that on one-and-ones?

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

hey, y'all, OT

HAHAHAHAHALOLVANDY

Heel for school, Vol for life!

Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 13, 2011 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

goodbye #7 ranking

even though Ezeli missed this game

Heel for school, Vol for life!

Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!

by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 13, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Baugh can dribble and drive too

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

Very nice pass by Ariel - she may make a huge difference

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

Wonder how she will do not starting

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep - seems to have a handle problem early

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

PHS tells her to slow it down

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

In the bonus already.

A great opportunity to practice those first shots.

##%!$#^!#$^#%

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

Guess it's just the 3 of us today eh?

are you guys on Facebook?

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

Technically? Yes.

Realistically? Haven’t logged in in years.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, NFL-wise

Denarious Moore had a beast of a day against the Chargers.

by danmarcel on Nov 13, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like the Chiefs-Broncos game was a snoozer.

17-10 Denver with Tebow going 2-8. No turnovers.

8 passes, 55 rushes.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

and Arian Foster had an even more beastly day against the Bucs

80 rushing, 100 receiving, two TDs

Heel for school, Vol for life!

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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 13, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

and then there were 3 and a half here

welcome

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

Kind of in and out – cleaning, cooking dinner, watching LVs.

by danmarcel on Nov 13, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Burdick and Harrison make an appearance

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

Pretty tough D by the LV's

and Pepperdine is Sr laden and pretty controlled

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Harrison is a good FT shooter for 6'3

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

Baugh looked like a guard on that drive

too bad Strick missed the mid range 2

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

Baugh with two quick unnecessary fouls for 3

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:46 PM EST reply actions  

We actually miss Massengale sitting with 2 fouls

she seems far better at point than Simmons already

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Simmons 4 3

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

Bass Watch???

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

We are so much taller yet Glory and Vicki seem

to have trouble finishing around the rim.

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

Simmons doesn't look happy

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

She got a lot of ball - but from behind at the side

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess that's why the travel call prevailed

these are WCBB refs afterall

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

1 ref calls a foul the other a travel on Harrison

the travel prevails

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

It was pretty ugly with some glaring defensive lapses late in the half

PHS didn’t look happy

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Manning with a bad decision

she and Spani have both lost it trying to bring it up

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

Yes they all seem to want to be point guards and push it

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It did work very well against Union

but even Pepperdine >>> Union, and perhaps they got a bit overconfident.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Pepperdine is more experienced and quicker than Union

and they did a good job trapping Manning and Spani who don’t have the quickness

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

They've spread the floor and beat us off the dribble consistently

so it’s pretty easy to see why they can converge on the ball with Manning and Spani trying to bring it up alone

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Simmons was high scorer and played the least min except for Bass?

she seemed to be pretty disgusted on the bench

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

Arkansas beat Florida State.

SEC has fared well in early action so far.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

Simmons with game high 9 at the half

maybe she starts over Spani in the 2nd since Taber seems off

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

Good grief.

More offense in the first minute than pretty much and 5 minute stretch in the first.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

With an emphasis on GOOD grief.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

$-Money.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

10 points in 2 minutes to start the 2nd half for the Vols?

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

Remember, Pat Summitt doesn't yell.

Per ESPN. They said it, so it has to be true!

::places order to repaint Ladies’ locker room::

by Chris Pendley on Nov 13, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel compelled to note:

The Ladies started cooking as soon as I did. And I’ll be cooking for a bit still.

by Chris Pendley on Nov 13, 2011 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

Spatula in one hand,

commenting with another, and playing Skyrim with another?

;-

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Not quite.

I was talking with IS earlier, and I was happy you threw the open thread up since that gave me a good stopping point for Skyrim.

That game is beautiful. It’s fantastic, too, but my goodness, the imagery.

by Chris Pendley on Nov 13, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I need it.

I need a better TV first, but I need it.

by danmarcel on Nov 13, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm playing on a flat-screen SDTV

And it’s still great. There’s some issues with not being in 720p, like I can’t see some of the compass up top and a bit of the side, but nothing that makes it not worth playing for me.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a bit beyond my aged laptop's ability, which is for the better.

But I did peek as some LPs on YouTube to see what the buzz was about. Wow.

I remember playing Daggerfall way back in the day and being blown away with the expansiveness of if. This is much, much nicer.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

$kyrim.

I’m actually playing with the game up on the 3 for me.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

A bit hectic.

From running around wanting to do everything. Ended up settling on playing a Thiefy Dark Elf type that doesn’t use too much magic, which is odd for me — typically I go mage first in any game. Working on peetering through the main storyline some.

So far I’ve loved running into some things that just make me cringe and run away in fear. “Frost Troll doesn’t take noticeable damage from my fire spell. I’m going to run, now. KBAI!”

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

heh.

I think thief would be a lot of fun. You could really get crosswise with the main plot elements if you’re not careful.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

In Oblivion I was actively working on

Main Quest
Mage’s Guild
Thief’s Guild
Dark Brotherhood

…. all at once. It was fun :D

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a lot of management.

But it’s fun to test a game that way and see how the logic works.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it's easy since they tend to be in self-contained places.

At times the Elder Scrolls lacks urgency, but it’s still fun. You’re allowed to go do things when you want to, which is nice. I would end up doing something in one place, clear out a few dungeons around the area, look and see where the closest main plot was, etcetc. You don’t get a lot of quest overlap.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember that about Daggerfall.

So long as you got the main quest started in time (there was a bit of hurry at the very beginning), you had about threeve years before you had to do anything with it. And to be honest, you could completely blow off the main quest if you wanted.

(I only got about halfway.)

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

I have a couple of side quests I’m going to run on (dungeon-crawlin’ time!), then I’ll probably wander back to the main line. Or I’ll go to Winterhold and train casting.

Playing around with alchemy for the first time this game, too.

by Chris Pendley on Nov 13, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Alchemy was ridiculously OP in Oblivion.

Set it as a Minor Skill, just max it by buying out stores, making potions, selling to shopowner. I got it maxed by level 5 or so and was selling each potion for a ton of money. A toooon of money. Glad to see it’s changed, and changed well.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Daggerfall had a really weird logic gap.

Level-ups were dictated by primary and secondary skills, but not by tertiaries. So if you set all the important skills (e.g.hand-to-hand) as tertiary and you could make it through the opening sequence, you could basically play the whole game against easy opponents, get your important skills maxed out, and just crush everything.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That's how Oblivion was, too.

Skyrim’s ditched that system, along with your attributes (Str, Int, Wis, etc) entirely. I’m liking the change. Forces progression.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

LOVE no minor / major skill sets in this game.

Again, intuitive. You have race bonuses and that’s it. I think leveling is just determined by raising any skill, but not 100% sure.

by Chris Pendley on Nov 13, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep. Raise any 10 skills.

Training also counts towards leveling. All races have 1 skill with +10 to start and 5 skills with +5 to ’em. And the racial powers feel more balanced and useful across the board. Oblivion had some .. very crappy powers for some races.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I kinda am not liking it, to be honest

But at the same time, am. Really, it’s just a fancy way of making the built-in perks of Oblivion seem more awesome, and adding a ton more options. You level up and pick a perk thing each time you do, but you don’t have to spend that perk-point when you do level. It’s a bit clunky, but works well enough for me.

The Perks also give the sense of specialization losing major/minor skills. Mage? Take perks in Destruction to make all the spells cost less mana and do more damage.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing I don't like about levelling:

You can ‘save’ a level to act as an auto-heal in the middle of combat, since healing restores all HP, Mana, and Stamina.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so.

i.e., if you want to max out a perk that has three “levels” to it, you can store and save.

by Chris Pendley on Nov 13, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

Which makes sense to that extent. You could save levels in Oblivion, too, to jump up, say, 5 at once. The main thing levels do is make better loot available, and they took away the monster-scaling from Oblivion to make many monsters a certain “minimum” level. You can’t go through the whole game without leveling, so that’s nice.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

/Daggerfall'd

(It’s my only reference point. But wow, could you OP the game.)

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

One of the things the Devs said they focused on in Skyrim was ways to not make those broken characters, and make every playstyle be awesome.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Love that bows are made awesome.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

I can use them now! I stopped playing Oblivion so quickly because no range at all.

I’m kind of screwing around with main quest-ish stuff. Gonna go bandit hunting in a bit. Have you joined any guilds?

by Chris Pendley on Nov 13, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

My FIRST character went Mages

But I deleted the save-file since I wanted to play on the 4th difficulty level. Probably going to find the Thief’s or Brotherhood after I get down from this mountain.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I keep trying to go into VATS.

It’s not very effective.

I did the um, Brute Mountain run already. I think that was its name (with all the undead Nords).

I love how they got the little things right, too. No real number-counting save damage, weight, and cash. Run through a dungeon? Marked as cleared.

by Chris Pendley on Nov 13, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, loving pretty much all the changes.

It’s different from Oblivion, so some people will complain, but it’s easily GOTY for me right now, without any doubt. The Visuals are absolutely stunning. And I feel like combat is, for me, a lot more than Oblivion’s stand-there-and-hack. Shield Bashing and kiting enemies never was so much fun, and being able to dart in, hit with a sword, sprint back, quickly switch to dual-casting flame spells, is great.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you switch without having to go to the game-pausing menu?

The pause is nice for quick switches, but it’d be nice to do that in real-time.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

You hit up on the d-pad and it pauses time and brings up a quick menu.

Very fluid, very awesome, and being able to dual-wield magic and weapons and such is a game-changer.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Pausing is a necessity

Since you have to scroll through the list. It’d suck to have to do it in real-time, definitely. I kind of wish there was a hotkey menu like Oblivion had, where you could switch around quickly, as well as the favorites menu.

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by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

But at cost of control complexity is the only problem.

I see no problem with the pause, unless they wanted to go WoW-style with it.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the only change I'm not digging is the way they handle some conversations.

When I can run around, but some people might be saying something really important. I find myself missing things if I’m not close enough.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like the

Oblivion → Fallout 3 → New Vegas → Skyrim mechanics are incredible. Combat mechanics, leveling mechanisms, etc.

My only issue – and it’s a minor one – is how they treat the favorites menu, but since there are far more options than New Vegas, it kind of has to be a list. But I’d like a configuration option with left/right arrow.

Also, how do you pick something up (like, grab it)?

by Chris Pendley on Nov 13, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think you can on the 360 :-(

Though, a quick google says hold down the X button.

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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.

by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

I guess the halftime glaring worked.

by danmarcel on Nov 13, 2011 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

Vols are just cruising.

54-26 the score now. That’s… 18 points in 5 minutes.

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by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

It's surprising to me that Candace hasn't gone off on these clowns yet.

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by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah.

It’s miss, run, layup, rinse.

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by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

$kinna and then a ?kinna

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:35 PM EST reply actions  

Ariel makes them look better

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:35 PM EST reply actions  

4 on Baugh :-(

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

Simmons:

“Oh, hello shot, you’re a pretty little thing, aren’t you? Let’s you and me go somewhere together.”

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by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

Ariel's got a 3-0 going so far.

I think we have a PG. At least in theory. We’ll see if they can end up with A-TO > 1.

by Chris Pendley on Nov 13, 2011 5:39 PM EST reply actions  

She's got great vision and control for a freshman playing game one

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

My concern is if she’ll grow up in time for Baylor.

by Chris Pendley on Nov 13, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

By the numbers, so far:

- Glory should end up around 20-15. Breadsticks?
- Baugh hasn’t had a great game. (Note: foul trouble is the only reason I say that.)
- Simmons kinda looks like last year so far.
- Good stuff from Burdick.
- Manning’s got a Manning line going: 4 boards, 2 assists, 1 steal, 2 points.

by Chris Pendley on Nov 13, 2011 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

I think you have breadsticks right.

Stricklen’s been hot this half, but Johnson really did some nice work.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

And Stricklen's now got 4 fouls with one in each last possession.

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by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

4 on Stricklen ;-(

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

Jackson for Pepperdine is quite good - fearless

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

Mique is in the house

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

That's Cha as opposed to Ta or Sem

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Simmons just outran the Pepperdine defense

After a score.

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by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

Great pass by Burdick

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

Stanford trailing Gonzaga at halftime.

UT isn’t the only team playing a bit rough to open the season. (Though this is Stanford’s second game.)

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

Bass 4 3!!!!

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

BA$$ ?

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Geez the Simmons pass inside is a waste compared to Ariels

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

$$$pani.

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by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 5:58 PM EST reply actions  

Mi$$ing those chippies will get no $$$

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

Glory for MVP at 17 pts and 13 rebounds????

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

True or false?

Tennessee is better in man defense than zone.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

Ba$$!

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by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

BA$$

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

Awwwwwwww.

Almost had the LV final score nailed, at least.

by Chris Pendley on Nov 13, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

U need to tighten that up Chris

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by aurabass on Nov 13, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

4 off. YOU ARE SO BAD AT THESE SNAIL

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by bobothevol on Nov 13, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I'll let the PG go for a while.

The BP will take point in a bit, and then I have curling. Maybe a late recap or something.

by David Hooper on Nov 13, 2011 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the game gab guys

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