Fitting Ends to Unfitting Events
There is so much to talk about from Tennessee's overtime victory over Vanderbilt that it's almost a shame that the final play of the game will be the focal point for roughly 85% of the discussion across the Tennessee airwaves this week. But the past is written in stone, and we can only hope to add interpretation. There are a few elements to the final play that are certainties, and that we can all agree on, whether we are Tennessee fans, adversaries, or just neutral bystanders.
First, we can all admit that the review process failed. The official did blow a whistle and the play was technically unreviewable. On a play so obviously miscalled, there's a part of me that wants to be happy for officials that made the accurate call over the legal call, but it's also disturbing to see an official deny blowing a whistle in the face of a mistake. By the letter of the rule, Tennessee should have played their offensive series.
Stepping back from that point, imagine if you had not seen the play and were totally neutral to the game. Somebody hands you tape of the play with everything except audio and the officials' actions. You can't see what the call was, and you can only conclude what the call should be. Eric Gordon intercepted the ball, stayed on his feet, and ran it back for a game-winning touchdown. No Vanderbilt player had a chance to catch him, and none appeared to heed the whistle anyhow. No play can be taken independently of the official interpretation, but if you play this exercise with this play, the final call did match the actions of the players as they transpired. It was tainted first by a bad judgment call (which, to be fair, is an easy and honest mistake to make as Gordon's knee was very close to the ground) and tainted second by the bizarre and unauthorized review. In short, there is no good way to say that the game ended well. The officials screwed up twice and the end is forever colored. Fin.
If we can move beyond that play, however, there is so much to talk about from this game. Our other writers will have far more to say, so let me just outline a short and incomplete list of watercooler talking points and focus on one. (Also, read Vanderbilt's side of the game from our sister site, Anchor of Gold. Well worth it, and we know the heartache all too well.)
- Tyler Bray was exactly what you'd expect from a guy who had been out for several weeks. He had moments of greatness but had moments of ill-advised decisions. Expectations of a Cincy-level performance out of him were unrealistic, but he certainly did well enough to keep a victory in the works, even if he gave Vandy 14 points.
- Tauren Poole had one of the best rushing games of his entire career. It's not an eye-popping stat line (19 rushes, 107 yards, 1 TD, 0 fumbles, and 3 receptions for 21 yards), but he played a very consistent game. He was never a threat to fumble, made some very nice decisions in the backfield, and found several open running lanes.
- Da'Rick Rogers was in beast mode for 60 minutes. Compared to the previous games where he'd have occasional mental lapses (hello, dropped wide open pass!), he made several tough catches and runs throughout the game. The ESPN-highlight worthy TD catch in the fourth quarter wasn't just a spectacular play - it was what he had been doing all game long.
- The team played a complete game and got their act together after a dry spell in the third quarter. In previous weeks, that third quarter rut would have taken the team out of the game emotionally, but the fourth quarter in this game was different. Even falling behind, the team was focused enough to force overtime and to eventually win. Was this all due to having Bray back? Possibly, but whatever the cause, the effect was obvious.
There's so much more to talk about, but the class of 2008 deserves some mention. They were freshmen when Fulmer was fired. They were sophomores when Kiffin did what Kiffin does. By the time they were supposed to be upperclassmen leading the team, all they had known was turnover, frustration, an acidic fanbase, and a complete disappointment from their expectations. Better writers like Wes Rucker have stated their case very well, but for all they have been through, they have a victory on Senior Night that they can hold onto for the rest of their lives. And if Dooley does bring Tennessee back to prominence, that Senior Night game will be the turning point, when the team finally broke through their bad luck, their end-of-game shenanigans, and all of the disappointments to finally have a game go their way. If history is indeed etched in permanence and we're simply trying to add interpretation, perhaps there is room to remember these seniors in a positive light. For four years, and for 60+ minutes last night, they didn't quit on Tennessee.
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Correction, Hooper:
give a neutral observer the video WITH audio, but not the TV audio with the crowd noise turned down. The Derek Dooley Show had video and audio, and there is no whistle. You can watch that feed and swear up and down that there is no whistle.
But yeah, while it was the right call, it shouldn’t have been made. But still, we did what we needed to do to win the game. Outplayed them the whole way, made big plays in crunch time, and bounced back from mistakes.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions
I thought I heard the whistle.
But I just wanted to be clear that I was talking only about the play and not anything the refs did (or didn’t) do, so I made double sure to remove the whistle from the discussion.
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
on the ESPNU feed, or The Dooley Show?
It’s there on the ESPNU feed, plain as day. But that feed has the crowd noise turned down. Couldn’t hear a lick on the Vol Network feed, or live.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
On the ESPNU feed.
Certainly nobody in the stadium could hear that whistle. But ESPN has those directional mikes, and I’m sure they keep a few turned toward officials at all times.
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
that's why I added the stipulation
“on a non-ESPNU feed that doesn’t have the crowd turned down”
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is, it doesn't really matter if the players hear it.
If the whistle blows, the play is dead. I just wanted to get around that sticky point and hypothesize about the continuation of events.
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I got the point
I was just making it more extreme by adding that even the non-ESPN TV feed didn’t even pick it up
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
In your talking points of guys to single out
I’d like to include the entire defense. Vandy’s longest scoring drive was 35 yards. Their average touchdown drive was 13.7 yards. The defense didn’t allow anything all game. Possibly their best game of the season.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 11:58 AM EST reply actions
Yes. This.
I knew the list was incomplete, and I was actually thinking of the defense on that final point. But I should have emphasized them in particular.
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
and what'd they run for? 2.6 yards a carry?
is that their lowest total since Jordan Rogers took over? Can’t imagine it not being
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. But they were a tick better on yards per pass attempt (6.0 to 5.7).
But also 3 interceptions to 2 (thanks, clipping!), so there’s that.
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
this is true
although not that surprising, as we played the game without our top THREE (!) safties
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I know it's just Vandy...
But the defense was awesome, and the offensive line is getting better at run blocking. I said after watching the first half of the LSU game and the first half of the Bama that both of those units were growing up, and would be better next year for it.
A healthy Vols team next year has a chance to be special.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
definitely
we only have to replace two players, but those two have been pretty special this year. Still, pick up the slack for Malik and Austin, and have everybody else get a year older, wiser, and stronger. And get our injured players back on offense. Yeah, we could be half decent.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Malik will be the hardest one to replace.
We will be looking to do that with Jucos and freshmen.
But our freshman linebackers, especially AJ, will be ready to stop up, and we get Herman Lathers back. I think our linebackers will be the strength of the D next year.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Malik will be hard to replace
but Hood and Couch will each have another year in the program, so our #2 DT spot should be seriously improved. And we’re looking at 1-2 JuCos at DT, which will help. But Malik is special.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
That LB corps is going to be critical.
Our biggest issue this year has been anything off the edges. Lateral pursuit is going to matter.
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by Chris Pendley on Nov 20, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I see AJ moving inside and Herman and Maggitt starting outside
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to see that.
He’s big and physical. I think he’d be a great MLB.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
agree
I’m surprised we’ve been playing him at Will, because his speed can be an issue on the outside. But I guess his play has been so good that he demanded playing time. I’d think a switch to Mike would actually help though.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
If I had to guess
It’s probably a combination of him being perhaps more athletic than Austin Johnson (I’m just guessing at that, though), and the fact that you usually want your more experienced guy in the middle calling defenses. You hate to stick a true freshman in that role.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's right
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
It's kind of like a true frosh QB.
You can do it, but it’s probably not the best idea unless you absolutely have no choice. Amazingly, we had a choice.
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by Chris Pendley on Nov 20, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
And there were times last night where AJs fits on outside runs were still making me shake my head, but he’s getting there. He’s playing great for a true freshman. Hopefully he’ll take it to the next level next season.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
With all respect,
I think our guys have earned more than the “it’s just Vandy” line.
They’ve kept things close all year, and, excluding Alabama, have had NO blowouts. A touchdown here, a fieldgoal there, a questionable call that took away a CHANCE of winning over there (note the distinction)… it’s heartbreaking. But come on, it’s not “just Vandy” any more.
Anyway, my $0.02. Game well played. I wish the fans who threw the Coke on me didn’t ruin my experience at Neyland, but I’ll be back in two years because that’s what fans do.
Go dores, beat KY, make then win worth it for the SEC at least.
Kobalt
I’m sorry to hear that. If I ever see someone do that they will wear my drink! No reason for a Vol fan to be an ASS!
GO BIG ORANGE!
by Master Jedi Starkiller on Nov 20, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
sorry to hear that
I was sitting right behind the Vandy section, and I didn’t see anything like that, but there’s always a bad apple or two. Hopefully you don’t ever get that experience again.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
You were sitting?
STOP BEING PART OF THE PROBLEM
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by Chris Pendley on Nov 20, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
haha
only sometimes. actually, there were a few middle aged to old women in my section who were leading the charge to stand and cheer. I approve of Z15.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I was in Section D,
But it happened on the way out. Thankfully the drunk hit me (missed about half, drunken aim I suppose) and not the girlfriend. We were more focused on getting back to the car safely at that point, but once we got to the Strip it was just the dunks at the bar heckling. ;)
I know that every fanbase has those types – usually the students themselves, and I’m sure that 99% of the people who frequents these websites makes those decisions. unfortunately. I was more disappointed that those around us ignored the whole situation, but I wasn’t gonna start a scene after that ending anyway, haha.
Loved the pre-game, loved all but the last play of the game. Might come back for a day game at Neeley, when the crowds are less… excitable.
That happened? Oof.
You weren’t standing up, were you? Because that might’ve been the problem.
But that does suck, and I’m sorry to hear that happened.
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by Chris Pendley on Nov 20, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
I make an effort to talk with the Vol fans behind me – a great family. :) I’m about 6’5", so I’m always conscious about standing up, but I made sure to step out into the stairwell every time. Didn’t seem to bother them too much, I hope!
This is more self-torture from us...
A lot of Vol fans have been asked by Ushers to sit down when people behind them complain.. because they’re seated.
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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.
there's a bit of a running joke
with a few of the older set complaining about fans standing up and making noise. it’s irksome to the rest of us
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely.
I didn’t necessarily mean that as disrespectfully as it came off.
Vandy has been very much improved this year, and I was terrified of you guys coming into this game. I prefaced with “It’s just Vandy” to mean that, while we played a great game on defense and at the offensive line, it had to be noted that it still wasn’t against elite level talent like Bama or LSU.
Out of curiosity, how is Vandy recruiting? In my mind, that will be the difference between sustained success and a flash in the pan for Vandy.
Also, I’m sorry to hear that happened. Bad apples in every group, I guess. My section was pretty hospitable to our Vandy fans, haha.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
"By the letter of the rule, Tennessee should have played their offensive series"
I agree, but looking at the picture you can see just like I saw and everybody on that Vandy sideline saw PICK 6!
The crowd knew it most in the South endzone were screaming TOUCHDOWN!! even though Gordon was still on the Vandy side of the field! If there was a whistle it was impoosible to hear. If there was a whistle it was wrong to blow it dead. The picture shows without a doubt(look at the reaction on the Vandy sideline) they knew the game was over!
What bothered me was the officials put the ball on the 25 on the North end, shouldn’t it had been TN ball on the 25 south end.
27-21 the true score of the game.
GO BIG ORANGE
by Master Jedi Starkiller on Nov 20, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions
The point
Is that you can’t go by the “aw, come ON” rule in officiating. It makes games emotional, not logical.
I’m 99% certain UT would have won anyway (because you all can kick a f***ing field goal), but it’s a shame it went down this way. Never seen anything like it in my (admittedly new) football watching experience.
VU All In.
By our standards, this was pretty normal.
The last two years have been weird.
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by Chris Pendley on Nov 20, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
it's a shame either way
if it’d been called back, it would’ve been a horrible injustice the other way. there was no right answer. that said, you’re right, it probably wouldn’t have mattered. But there’s no right answer there.
And as Chris said, we’re pretty used to this kind of stuff. Imagine your drive from Knoxville to Nashville, multiply by ten, and you have my drive from Nashville to Knoxville after the Music City Bowl last year.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
just a question, more of opinion really
Do you think the rule about the play being unreviewable should be changed? Seems like it’s there to protect bad officiating. Gordon intercepted the ball and ran it back. Great game both teams, officiating not so good.
GO VANDY beat Wake!
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by Master Jedi Starkiller on Nov 20, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
you can't change that rule
well, there is a sort of continuation rule where the ball can be awarded if the teams keep playing and the outcome is obvious in the immediate aftermath of the whistle. But you really don’t want precedent telling players they should play past the whistle.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
This.
The reason the play is not reviewable is so that players never have a reason to continue playing after a whistle. If they did, then you’d have some players playing on while others pull up, and the opportunity for injury increases significantly when a player is not expected any continued action. Both the NCAA and the NFL believe it’s better to risk letting a bad play stand than to set up a chance for a blindsided injury, and I have to agree.
The only exception is fumble recoveries, and in that case, people are going for a loose ball, not a ball carrier.
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
That continuation rule
It was followed last night. Both teams kept playing after the whistle( I couldn’t hear it for the crowd, plus I was section I). I agree you. You do have to be careful about changing rules. Safety of the players does come first.
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by Master Jedi Starkiller on Nov 20, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't see which end they placed it.
But it should have been on the same side that Vanderbilt played.
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
they placed it on the correct end
the North end zone. I had North corner seats.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
That was very nearly the picture I used in the post
but the Vandy mascot broke the tie.
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
OT
Don’t look now, but Denarius Moore with Carson Palmer as his QB is the hot, new thing in NFL circles.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 1:15 PM EST reply actions
they haven't even connected yet today
or is this from the San Diego game?
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the last two weeks.
4 catches for 61 yards against Denver and 5 catches for 123 and 2 TDs against Oakland.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
We showed character and we were also lucky
With about 10 min left in the 4th qtr, down 14-21, my prognostication of “Vandy by 10 (over Bray-less Vols)” didn’t sound so insane. Did it, I_S?
With Vandy driving for the winning field goal, under a minute left on our half of the field, it did not feel like we dominated the game. It felt like “Oh, crap, not again…”
With Vandy almost even in total yards (290-283), even in first downs (17-17) and ahead in TOP (17:50 – 18:50), it felt pretty…. UM, Well Even.
Despite all that, I loved the character of the team. Not folding after the pick 6 and the pick that set up the 6 by Bray. Despite everything they’d been thru. We believed in Bray, despite him pulling a Worley (or a Sims). Not once, but twice! We hung in there and fought. Defense turned into a wall – not a rubber band (bend, not break). We finally found a way.
The ref’s call was lucky. The review was even luckier. Finally, we had a little luck.
And Kentucky is the final game for bowl eligibility. Look! We are lucky, thrice!!!
We're watching when you are not. Protecting against another 9-11.
Like they always say
THIRD time is a CHARM
GO BIG ORANGE!!
by Master Jedi Starkiller on Nov 20, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say Vandy winning by 10 was crazy, I said Vandy favored by 10 was crazy
and Tennessee closed as a 1.5 point favorite, so I stand by that.
I also disagree that the ref’s call was lucky. The refs call was extraordinarily unlucky. Fortunately, the lucky review canceled that out.
But I do think that it felt like we dominated that game. There were points where I was pretty sure we were going to lose, but that didn’t change the feeling of domination. I felt like the total yards were deceptive. Tennessee could sustain drives, Vandy couldn’t. Usually, that results in a lopsided score. This time, it didn’t, because Vandy, to their credit, made some big plays.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Bray's turnovers are what really made the game a lot closer than it should have been.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
definitely
we go up 17-7 and that’s game over. Our defense came to play
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Giving the other team points
This is not uncommon for the Vols. Can’t recall the games(several over the years) right now, but Bray isn’t the first and probably not the last. It was how the whole team responded to it that really impressed me.
GO BIG ORANGE!!
by Master Jedi Starkiller on Nov 20, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Just for fun (/twitch) what if that call had been upheld
And Vandy goes on to win? This offseason do we see a rule like the “obvious fumble-recovery rule” they’ve put in, where even if a play is ruled dead and the ball not out, if one team obviously recovers and review shows that the ball was out that they’ll overturn the call?
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Boom. Here comes the Boom. Braydy or not. Here comes the boy from the West.
we should've had one untimed down from the 20
where we start out 10 yards ahead of every Vandy player. if we miss, we go into the next part of OT where we get the ball at the 25
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
OT
people on twitter are saying that an Arkansas football player named Garrett Uekman died last night. Really sad if true. Prayers to the team and his family.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 2:41 PM EST reply actions
Terrible...
Seems like there are a lot more crazy potentially distracting things occurring before big games this season than usual.
Is one more thing I want to say about that game
the crowd made it up in the 4th quarter. None of us were in any mood to cheer. We were in the mood to leave and never look back. But we stood up and we got as loud as we could, and it seemed like it really made a difference. What we were talking about earlier with faking motivation? That’s exactly what we were doing. And it worked.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 3:06 PM EST reply actions
I definitely noticed that
I know it wasn’t anywhere near capacity, but I haven’t heard Neyland that loud in quite a while.
it was as full as it's been all season
least the three games I’ve been to. the crowd was late, but they showed up.
Anybody know what the section right behind the Pride is for? There was NOBODY in that section until midway through the first quarter.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
not sure what that section's for
but I noticed the upper deck on the north side (i couldn’t see the south side because I was in G) started emptying out during the 3rd.
I didn't notice anybody emptying out early
but I was in the lower deck on the north side (Z15)
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
it's the student section seats. It got shifted when they switched the sidelines.
sweet. mother. of. breadsticks.
by RockyTopinKY on Nov 20, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
really?
I thought the students were in F
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
ah, alright
so the students are the worst fans of the bunch? or at least the latest? I suppose this isn’t shocking
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
well, kinda
Lower part of the section is purely students. The top half is rather mixed between students and others. I’m sure there are some drunk students being belligerent and throwing things, but I’m also sure that there are just as many non-students being belligerent.
I wasn't talking belligerent, I was talking not showing up
the upper part of F through I was completely empty until midway through the first quarter (except for the seats under the overhang, which filled up early)
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I guess more time for last minute drinking
though it always seems to be the upper part of F, G, H
The two times I made it to Neyland this season I got lowers since I gave up my seasons this year.
Student seats that went unsold/picked up.
sweet. mother. of. breadsticks.
by RockyTopinKY on Nov 20, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Oh you know it.
Fiance is still on boycott of the University of Kentucky football program, so my brother and I are going without him.
Anyone else making the trip?
sweet. mother. of. breadsticks.
by RockyTopinKY on Nov 20, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not
two years ago, I was dating a Kentucky grad who lived across the street from the stadium, so I went with her, and it was wonderful. Well, we broke up that night, but I didn’t entirely care. This time, I’m in North Carolina, but I hope the game isn’t nearly that close. But if we win, however it happens is fine.
Enjoy yourself.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
It made a big difference
Caused Jordan Rogers to trip on his own feet.
GO BIG ORANGE!!
by Master Jedi Starkiller on Nov 20, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
A win is a win!
I’m happy with the win, even though a OT win over Vandy in your own house is not a lot to write home about. I’m hoping for a win next week over KY, then some more practice time and a win over a quality opponent in a bowl game. Then we have momentum going into the offseason.
If we have a top 10 recruiting class, then we are all looking forward to next season.
Next season must be strong because it may likely be the last for the Bray/Hunter/Rogers combination. If we have a RB and a Defense to go along with those three, then next year should be good.
At least the correct outcome of the play was allowed to stand
Even it took a torturous and mind bending route to get there. Vandy can only say they were screwed on a technicality not that the call didn’t really match the actual play on the field. We would have probably scored next anyways.
agree on all counts
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
ITS GREAT TO BE A TENNESSEE VOL!!!
by Master Jedi Starkiller on Nov 20, 2011 4:47 PM EST reply actions
What could that ref who allegedly have been thinking?
You have to let bang/bang close plays like that play themselves out now that we have the review system as a back stop. There is just no earthly reason to rush in to blow a play like that dead. Let it go and then call it back if necessary, but blowing a quick whistle just inserts the refs, yet again, into the game.
That Vandy mascot....
is SUPER creepy looking. Am I right?
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
absolutely
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 21, 2011 1:10 AM EST up reply actions

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