Tennessee 27 Vanderbilt 21 (OT) - Ain't No Smoggy Smoke on Rocky Top
Stephen King's new novel 11/22/63 is about a man who goes back in time to stop the Kennedy assassination. Early in the story the process of time travel is explained to the protagonist by the man who first discovered it, who had gone back earlier in an attempt to save a girl from being paralyzed in a hunting accident. He shares the following about his journey:
"What I'm telling you, Jake, is that you can change the past, but it's not as easy as you might think. That morning I felt like a man trying to fight his way out of a nylon stocking. It would give a little, then snap back just as tight as before. Finally, though, I managed to rip it open."
"Why would it be hard? Because the past doesn't want to be changed?"
"Something doesn't want it to be changed, I'm pretty sure of that. But it can be. If you take the resistance into account, it can be."
Last night was a classic "something has to give" game: Tennessee's inability to face adversity vs. Vanderbilt's identity. Tyler Bray gave the Vols the boost we thought they'd get, which was more about psyche than X's and O's not just early but often. His work in the first half helped the Vols to a 14-7 lead. Meanwhile, Vanderbilt missed two field goals and turned the ball over twice in the first half. Undefeated with a halftime lead under Derek Dooley, Bray and the Vols marched to the doorstep once more in the third quarter, three yards away from what we were all sure would be the nail in the coffin.
And then in one play the narrative of the game changed, and we went from just another Tennessee-Vanderbilt game to an instant classic that could become one of the most meaningful Tennessee performances against Vanderbilt in decades.
Tyler Bray's 97 yard pick six with 5:29 left in the third quarter merely tied the score, but it changed everything. Suddenly Vanderbilt was doing decidedly un-Vanderbilt things, and Tennessee was living out the same nightmare we've watched in the second half for the better part of two seasons. Vandy fans who wanted to believe now had reason. Tennessee fans who wanted to doubt, likewise.
Vanderbilt then dominated field position for the next several possessions, eventually cashing in on a touchdown with 12:21 to play. Their storybook ending and our greatest failure were clearly in sight.
But here again Bray made a difference. With him on the field, despite his injured thumb and subsequent shaky accuracy, and despite the fact that his two interceptions essentially gave Vanderbilt 14 of their 21 points, Bray's presence gave us the chance to believe. And the offense didn't waste any time: the drive was 13 plays 80 yards, but Tennessee didn't face a third down until they got to the Vanderbilt 11 yard line. And after Bray hit Mychal Rivera for 11 and Da'Rick Rogers for 14, the run game took over (thought you'd never hear it again, eh?). Tauren Poole for 19 of his 107. Raijon Neal for 6 of his 29. Poole again for a first down, and the Vols were in business.
With the Vols in position, the story flipped again. Stopped on third and goal, Derek Dooley elected to take three points with less than seven minutes to play. Then Vanderbilt found a creative way to be Vanderbilt: block the field goal with one guy (which may or may not have been our own center, in fact), but run into the kicker with another. I've never seen that before on any level of football. (And by the way, the refs are going to get killed overall in this game, but that was a spectacular job by that official to get that call right live, confirmed by the replay).
With another opportunity and half the distance closer, Dooley elected to go for the end zone, and Bray went to his favorite target. As Hooper mentioned in his postgame, the play Da'Rick made was just one part of his sensational night: 10 catches for 116 yards and two tough touchdowns, including the spectacular one-handed grab to cap this drive and tie the score on fourth down. I've said it before and it played out again tonight: without Justin Hunter, Bray favors Rogers like crazy...but why wouldn't you? That information wasn't enough for Vanderbilt to stop him, and now Rogers has 65 catches, 1,002 yards, and nine touchdowns on the season. He's four receptions ahead of Jarius Wright for the SEC lead, dead even with him in yardage, and one back in touchdowns. What's more, he's now within range of the UT single season records for receptions (76 by Marcus Nash in 1997) and, if he's really impressive, yardage (1,298 by Robert Meachem in 2006) and touchdowns (13 by Nash in 1997). Obviously the Vols have to get bowl eligible for him to get there, but we could be witnessing the most impressive single season by a Tennessee wide receiver...with three different quarterbacks throwing him the ball.
As for Bray, that fourth quarter drive goes in the books with the one at the end of the Music City Bowl last year. We still haven't seen Bray get the best of a great defense, but he's proven he can take a team down the field and score when we have to have it.
From there, we got to overtime via Prentiss Waggner, who continues to make huge plays. But Waggner went down in overtime with an apparent shoulder injury, joining Brian Randolph, who rang his own bell in the first quarter, on the sideline. The secondary on the field on the game's final play: Marsalis Teague, Izauea Lanier, Eric Gordon, Rod Wilks, Byron Moore. Because you had that penciled in back in August.
Here's the thing: this game could've ended a number of ways. A Vanderbilt win would've obviously been catastrophic, especially the way the game played out. Or maybe Tyler Bray doesn't throw that pick six and we score instead, and we cruise to a nice ten point win.
But instead, we got the best possible outcome.
First, we got "The Play". The one we've been waiting for all season, the one where Neyland Stadium releases all its frustration in exchange for pure jubilation. The one we can point to and say, "See, the game was on the line, and WE made the play." Eric Gordon's walk-off pick-six will live in Tennessee Football history, but was also so huge for this team to prove they can do it at the end of a game. It was the biggest play since Dan Williams blocked an overtime field goal in Lexington four years ago, which is also the last time I saw a more exciting Tennessee victory.
But then, as a bonus, we got to slay the demons of LSU and North Carolina.
Again, Hooper covered the sequence of events with the referees and the review really well. Inside the stadium while the play was being reviewed, I kept saying how we needed to maintain our composure if it went against us. Because we were so used to coming out on the wrong end of these things, I was worried we might give the ball right back or shank another field goal, then lose. Could you imagine?
See, if you've been following this team, you probably can. But finally...finally...we didn't have to. Finally the joy of a last play victory was real. And finally, things went Tennessee's way.
"You know what? The black cloud over Knoxville blew away, and we got a little sunshine."
You could chalk this up to Vanderbilt being Vanderbilt, and it certainly had all the elements: two missed field goals, running into the kicker, a chop block that negated a long scoring opportunity, and four turnovers - one probably five yards away from trying the game winning field goal, the other a sudden death overtime pick six.
But Tennessee did their part last night as well. It started with Bray and Rogers, but included a defense that was absolutely lights out. Vandy was held to just 283 yards and got two-thirds of their points off turnovers. The Vols rattled Jordan Rodgers all night, hit him repeatedly, and created the game's biggest plays to win it. And at the heart of it: the seniors. Tauren Poole ran for over 100 yards. Austin Johnson grabbed another interception. And Malik Jackson lived in Vanderbilt's backfield.
You can't arrive by beating Vanderbilt; this isn't the win that's supposed to make us all believe in Derek Dooley. The end result is still miles and miles ahead. But a win like this - the way it happened - against what I'm prepared to call a good Vanderbilt team can make such a difference for this team and this program. The Vols stared down a mountain of adversity and won - not because they were lucky, but because they made the plays they had to have on both sides of the ball. With the game on the line, Tennessee played for and made the breaks, and scored. And when familiar end of game shenanigans appeared ready to return, this time the Vols came out on top.
You can change the past. It's not easy, and there will be resistance, but it can be done. Saturday night, Tennessee claimed a huge victory for the momentum of the program, trading learned helplessness for right action. Right action can lead to right thinking, as the orange dog will attest to. And maybe, just maybe, we can start moving forward again.
The story now goes to Lexington, then hopefully to bowl season. But for the story of the program overall, this was a huge win - not because it was Vanderbilt, but because of the way it happened. The black clouds rolled away, and the Vols got exactly what they needed to bring better days to Rocky Top.
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This. Pretty much all of this
Except that I’d like to point out how the possibly best season by a Tennessee WR is being turned in by our 2nd best WR.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 4:54 PM EST reply actions
Not around to steal each other's stats
though the absurd stat of the year should be that Justin Hunter is still our third leading receiver in terms of yardage. He played two games. Two games.
by Will Shelton on Nov 20, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to point out the exact same thing.
Big if, but IF we can stay healthy next year, we have a good shot at 2 1000 yard receivers.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
that's ridiculous
and probably true
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure how you defend Bray with both Hunter and Rogers.
Can’t double team them both or the running game / checkdowns will be wiiiiiide open.
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Grats on a huge win!
I told you the football gods wouldnt let this slide! On the other hand, where were the football gods when UVA embarrassed my noles? All of this said, if TN blows it vs Kentucky you will be on my Dooley’s orange cursed voodoo black magic slacks band wagon.
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by cerebralfish on Nov 20, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Hope Vandy's Loss is to both team's gain
I want a real rivalry in this state. Vandy’s on the upswing, I hope this gives you guys momentum to swing upwards too. Now go kick KY’s ass and make it worthwhile.
Then we’ll see you next year in Nashville. ;-)
Might I suggest MTSU?
;-)
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by Chris Pendley on Nov 20, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
it was 24-0 at halftime. . .
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ummm... we beat them by more than three scores and they failed to score at all
I thought Vandy folks were good at math
Read the AoG in game thread
and am still a little bit baffled about anyone thinking that Vandy was or should’ve been controlling the game. They didn’t drive the field once all friggin’ night. UT defense was great.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 5:45 PM EST reply actions
They they still virtually tied UT for total yardage.
They never had a long drive, but they were better about getting yardage on each drive.
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
they were better about that
but their offense never felt threatening the whole time. 1-2 first downs and then a punt or turnover. that’s not control. and it’s much less effective than alternating three and outs with 80 yard drives, which we were doing, even if it gets you the same number of yards.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
that said
if you disagree that it was Tennessee’s game to lose, I can see that. I disagree, but I can see that. If you think it was Vandy’s game to lose, I don’t understand.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, btw,
the ’3 has the Vandy/UT game on replay. You know, if you wish to see the most derptastic camera work ever.
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/source/espn3/id/294141/
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
They had one sideline cam on a track that looked really weird
and then watching that earlier today, it looked like that was the only camera they had
by Will Shelton on Nov 20, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
That camera kept rolling in front of my seat.
Pissin’ me off.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I had a chance to be that low
but I went for row 20 so I could see over whatever they stuck in there.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I got these particular tickets for free, so no complaining.
But I was in section W, right around the 10 yard line.
I’d much, much rather be a little farther up and closer to the middle of the field.
My normal seats are actually nose bleeds under the scoreboard. As a football junkie who likes watching plays unfold, I love those seats.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Man, you need Georgia Tech to roll into town with those seats.
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe UT should start running the triple option with Marlin Lane just to amuse me.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
I was in Z15, right on the goal line, 20 rows up
they were really nice seats. I don’t think I’d like to be any lower. Like to still be able to kinda see the South end zone action.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
and I don't have normal seats
but I usually buy something in AA or DD, with GG if those are unavailable. This is the first time I’ve sprung for lower deck. Ironically, I got a nosebleed at the game last night.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Haha!
I scalped tickets for the Cincy game and ended up in the upper deck in those plastic seats rather than in the benches. Those were good seats.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I've been in the benches for all three games (Montana, LSU, Vandy) this year
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
My best ever:
2006, I had upper deck, second row, right on the 50 as a student. Best view I have ever had of a game.
Oh, against Alabama.
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
nice
should’ve won that game by more, but it was Alabama
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Front row upper deck is possibly the best ever
I had that for the six overtime Arkansas game in ’02.
by Will Shelton on Nov 20, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
I bet that was an incredible game to be at.
I vividly remember watching that game with my step dad.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yep...
I had seats in section KK. Best seats ever, just under the V in the VOLS sign. Absolutely hate sitting down low, although I do recommend everyone try it once just to sample the noise at field level.
I really enjoyed the lowers
but I was in row 20. I went to the UT/UK game in Commonwealth two years ago, and I was 8-10 rows up, and it was really hard to see. This was good.
But I also really enjoy the uppers. I don’t know why everyone makes a fuss about having to sit in the upper deck. Yeah, if you’re in the top row of the Tommy Bowl, you’re pretty far away, and it’s a little hard to see. But in Neyland? Not a problem. Not even close.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
This is very well-written.
I think this team has some talent, especially on offense. And a good recruiting class this year will only bolster that.
But football teams have to learn how to win. Freshmen that show up to the Bamas and LSUs of the world show up to an environment of winning. Winning is the culture. We’ve lost that in Knoxville over the last few years, so no matter how talented we are, we have to get that culture back.
Games like last night go a long way in reestablishing that.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 6:09 PM EST reply actions
Things I noted in the other postgame thread
*We played almost that whole game without our top three safeties, after Randolph’s injury. On that last play, we our secondary was Teague, Lanier, Moore, Wilks, and Gordon. Seriously.
*We have Tiny RIchardson in the game on short yardage plays.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 6:20 PM EST reply actions
Speaking of:
Has there been a report on injuries yet? I’m curious about Randolph in particular.
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Randolph came back for a few plays before going out again
so it can’t be too serious
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Other things Bray tends to favor
Awesomeness
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Nov 20, 2011 6:25 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
so we're an 8 point favorite in Kentucky
about what I expected. Anything between 7 and 11 would’ve made sense to me. Nobody trusts Tennessee on the road that much yet.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 6:35 PM EST reply actions
long as we win
I don’t care. I’m not that nervous about the game, because Kentucky is terrible, but I’m a little nervous, just because it’s a must-win.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
definitely
I still don’t totally trust him after some of those offenses at Maryland. He is recruiting better, but he’s done this with a lot of seniors this year, and it’ll be interesting to see what he can sustain.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
It really all comes down to recruiting, in the long run.
I looked at their page, and it says they don’t have a 4 star recruit yet.
I know recruiting blue chip players isn’t everything, but if you don’t bring in guys who are big and fast enough to play with SEC teams week in and week out, then being a scrappy team that’s playing for bowl eligibility is going to be their ceiling.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
?
Vanderbilt recruiting is top 25 right now, and was actually ahead of us for a short period of time.
My glance over at their page was hardly an in depth look.
I realize they’re recruiting better. But I don’t think a team full of 3 star players is going to be competing for an SEC East championship or anything within the next few years.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Rivals has them with 3 4-star guys
But no, Vanderbilt winning the SEC East in the next century has to be well below 50/50.
Vandy...
is currently ahead of Georgia, Arkansas, Kentucky and the Mississippi schools.
Also strangely ahead of Ohio State, Penn State, and Oregon.
When I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Like I said, “hardly an in depth look.”
haha
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
This.
Maryland was wildly divergent from year to year, and there were times where they looked decent. Then there were times when they looked awful and went 9-3. Then there were times they looked awful and went 2-10. I thought it was the Fridge, but maybe not.
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by Chris Pendley on Nov 20, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
and Vanderbilt is extremely fortunate...
that Jordan Rogers turned into one of the best QBs in the SEC.
If they were still playing Larry Smith, they’d be one graduating class on their defense away from being Kentucky.
while Jordan Rodgers has done a lot of good this year
that really just tells you how bad the SEC QBs have been this year
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Of the main contributors on offense
Zero are seniors. Rodgers and Stacy are juniors, Matthews is a sophomore, and Boyd is a freshman. They will lose Barden at TE, but Warren Norman (the 2009 SEC Freshman of the Year) will come back. The pieces are in place for them to be quite talented on offense next year (assuming, of course, you think Franklin can coach).
Defense is where they’re going to have to find some new pieces to plug in…losing Fugger, Marve, and Heyward will be problematic.
Tennessee fans roll their eyes when I talk about Vandy, Vandy fans become ill when I talk about Tennessee.
yeah, the seniors comment was in reference to the defense
the offense comment was just. . . it’ll take a lot to make me respect the man behind the Maryland offense. It was the opposite of respect-worthy. Sometimes decent, but sometimes horrible, and never consistently good.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
he's obviously done of recruiting and energizing
but as an offensive coach. . . I still have to be convinced.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
also, I don't know how I got this in my head
but I was thinking Rodgers was a redshirt freshman. weird.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Somebody has done some coaching
Because Vanderbilt’s offense has been unwatchable…probably since Cutler left. I’ll give you that it’ll probably take some time before people really buy in and believe it.
Tennessee fans roll their eyes when I talk about Vandy, Vandy fans become ill when I talk about Tennessee.
he's had intermittent success before
it’s just been interspersed with severe ugly. that will continue being my mental picture until I see sustained success. I think this hire has worked out about as well as Vandy could’ve hoped so far, but when he was hired, my thought was
MARYLAND? They hired the coach from MARYLAND???? An OFFENSIVE coach? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
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by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
You'd be the person to ask.
How much does having the East be incredibly down this year affect Vandy’s numbers? Are they benefiting from playing teams that are weaker this year than in the previous few?
I’m not trying to discredit – just checking the possibilities.
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
It's sort of a tale of two seasons
First, there’s the Larry Smith half of the season. In this half, they’re following the 2008 script: suck on offense, but have defense and special teams make big plays to give you a chance. Here is where they stumble past Elon, need a pick 6 to beat UConn, are tied at 0 with Ole Miss until almost halftime when the defense comes up big, and then get blitzed by USCe (77 yards offense) and Bama (194 yards offense).
The Georgia game is where it starts to turn. Rodgers comes in to replace an injured/ineffective Smith and leads an offense that gets almost 200 yards rushing (remember, UT had -20 against UGA the previous week). They outgained Arky. They take off the 1st against UF and almost come back to win. They throttle UK from start-to-finish. Last night was easily the worst offensive game they’ve played since Rodgers took over.
I’ve told you a lot without answering your question. There certainly could be some correlation explained by the SEC East’s rapid descent into mediocrity, but I think it’s more about players becoming more comfortable in the system (and, for the first time in years, having skill players that aren’t complete and utter garbage).
Tennessee fans roll their eyes when I talk about Vandy, Vandy fans become ill when I talk about Tennessee.
I forgot Army
Rodgers and Co. had a lot of success against them, too, but it’s not a banner year for the Black Knights.
Tennessee fans roll their eyes when I talk about Vandy, Vandy fans become ill when I talk about Tennessee.
Army has had some pretty severe home/away splits this year
Home win over Northwestern, 45-6 home win over Tulane, narrow home loss to SDSU (their only home loss this season).
But away. . . allowed 49 in a loss to NIU, allowed 48 in a loss to Ball State, allowed 35 in a loss to Hipster Miami, allowed 44 in a loss to Vandy. Air Force (24-14 loss) has been their only road cover this year.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
I'm hoping last night
is more about Tennessee’s defense than Vanderbilt’s offense. I actually think it might be, and I hope that I’m just not being Pollyanna in thinking so. I read the AoG game thread and got the impression that they thought Vandy would’ve just been running up and down the field without all their mistakes, but I saw Tennessee crush the Vandy run game, get good pressure on the quarterback, and force a whole lot of 3rd and long situations. That’s something that Arkansas sure didn’t do, and I’m not sure that Georgia or Florida did either (you’ll have to enlighten me here). If that’s about us, that’s progress.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Tennessee absolutely won the battle at the LOS...
and Vanderbilt’s offense lacked any real consistency.
I do think that we’re probably one of the few teams that didn’t underestimate the hell out of them.
I think all three of those things are true
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 21, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with much of this.
UT’s defensive front was paramount in just wrecking the Vandy offense. No run lanes, not time to throw. It was impressive on your end.
Part of that is due to the pair of injuries to Vandy’s OL, though. An already patchwork unit (that had rebounded very strongly through the middle of the season) had very little depth to begin with, and by the second half on Saturday they were out four different players who had started at some point. Mix that in with an already effective defensive attack, and that spelled disaster in the second half.
Vandy moved the ball well through the first half in spite of themselves, moving into UT territory before giving the ball away either through stupid mistakes or their complete inability to kick A GODDAMN FIELD GOAL. That fluidity was gone in the second half, except for the final drive of the game (which ended in JR’s second-to-last pick). Not that the UT d-line wasn’t good before that, but they really kicked things into second gear once Vandy was putting neophytes in at OL.
by Christian D'Andrea on Nov 21, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
By the way, don't forget to recommend games in the pickem pool.
Click on the “Suggest Matchups” tab to the left of the FOP page.
Bowling Green – Buffalo for some Friday Night MACTion!
Done and done.
Also: UAB-FAU! Three combined wins = all the confidence points!
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Nov 20, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
big plans
I just want Houston/Tulsa. de facto CUSA West championship, both teams 7-0 in conference play.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Nov 20, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Big win.
Freaking Vandy is dirty, boys.
by GhostDance on Nov 20, 2011 7:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm watching the Derek Dooley show.
He’s awesome. Every time Bray throws a bad pass or makes a dangerous throw, he says “oh no” like a distraught fan watching the game for the first time.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Nov 20, 2011 9:14 PM EST reply actions
Watched the end of the game again..
and Franklin really comes off like an ass at the end of it.
Screaming at everyone, and pushing Tennessee players and coaches out of his way to get to his locker room. I mean, I’d be mad… but he looked like he was about to stab someone with a rusty spoon.
I wonder if he was looking for the head official.
Mr. White Cap did leave the field rather quickly.
by David Hooper on Nov 20, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
I love that you quoted my favorite author
And I can’t wait to read that book.
I also can’t wait to go to a bowl game.
Holdin' it down on enemy grounds.
Anti-Snail on offense; Give me a slobberknocker, or give me death!
I haven't finished reading it
but was burning through it on the plane back from Fayetteville last week. Really really good.
by Will Shelton on Nov 20, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I second this.
I haven’t started this one yet. I’m re-reading the Dark Tower Series again getting ready for the new one coming out in the Spring.
sweet. mother. of. breadsticks.
by RockyTopinKY on Nov 20, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
re-reading
That’s aggressive.
I don’t tend to do that.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Nov 21, 2011 2:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

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